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Where is peace? Think about it for a little bit. Is it something to be achieved? If you believe that then you necessarily put it outside of yourself. What makes you feel like you aren't already at peace? Is it because you're still searching for all the things you think you need? It's being filled with desire that robs us of our peace, so how intelligent is it to desire peace?
“There is no way to peace, peace is the way” This simple statement tells you all you need to know to find peace. It's only as complicated as one makes it. Peace is already the very nature of your being, yet this is often obscured by all the worries of the mind. Fear is what destroys peace, can you set aside your fears and rest within the Love you find within? Can every action and expression come from this place of peace within?
Peace isn't some abstract idea, it's a very natural state. It's far more than an absence of war. We live in a society that even when some “enemy” isn't present, people are at war with themselves. As long as people have conflict within, any external resemblance of peace is only an illusion. The macro is the micro, people being divided within themselves invariably leads to conflict outside. The planetary transformation is deeply personal, and every personal transformation resonates through the entire Planet.
Peace isn't a thing, it's a state of being. You can't hold it in your hand, you can't put it down on paper, you either are peace or you aren't. Again I ask, why? What makes a person feel at peace and what doesn't? Is peace outside of you? The feeling of peace, where does it comes from? That's always felt in the center of your being, never outside of you. That's real peace and that's always felt from within. You can believe you have to do something to achieve peace, yet if you understand peace enough to know it's something you want, haven't you already begun to discover peace inside of yourself?
What's the outside? It's only a reflection of what is within. Is the ocean at war with the shore? The waves crashing against the rocks, if you don't have peace within, it's a violent thing. The division within yourself is projected outwards and you see conflict on the “outside”. If you have found peace, the waves crashing on the rocks are just Consciousness expressing itself as Love. The rocks don't mind a bit. If we judge anything, we're also judging ourselves and when we judge ourselves, we judge everything else too.
Judgment, fear, conflict, separation, different walls of the same glass house, with a glass ceiling called ignorance. All of these things reinforce each other, yet because they're all dependent upon each other, if one falls the others go with it. For real peace to be present, there can be no fear, judgment, separation or ignorance. You cannot have peace where there is division. True peace is equality and there's no such thing as “separate but equal”. True equality is Oneness and that is your Godhood. True Peace Is God, the two are one and the same. If you put God outside, you create conflict with God. If you're at odds with the Big Kahuna, wouldn't you be at odds with all of Creation as well?
If you want peace, let go. Just relax and enjoy the moment. Look to the lilies of the field. If you really want a discourse on peace from a true master, ask a tree. Don't worry about the future, don't dwell on the past, just look to what you're feeling in the moment and search for peace within that. Or better yet, stop looking for peace and be peace within this moment.
Love,
Will, Desi, Mother & Father God, and the Family of Light
Gandhi is right when he says there's no way to peace, peace is the way. At the same time though, peace is not a guaranteed or reliable experience for one who simply relaxes and expects to enjoy. Real peace and freedom from fear and anxiety requires real work. Freedom is only there for one who is willing to control the senses. The mind and senses will hold one in thrall until one takes charge of them. Or worse, uncontrolled mind and senses can put one at the command of the corporations who will gladly convince us to find pleasure in a plethora of products and services that will do us no real good at all.
Think you summed up the pathway to peace really well there Sarvo...
Peace is within all of us, it's a matter of clearing out the dross so that it can come to the fore of its own vocation...
Thanks Dar. And yes, Will, I agree. Ideally ones avocation and vocation can be the same. Robert Frost might have said something about that in one of his poems.
Greetings,
Although you bring up valid points,I beleive Peace is fleeting and if you are fortunate to have Peace enjoy it.
There are too many outside forces that will affect your inner piece.
A constant state of Peace is unobtainable ,in my opinion,
But never stop aiming for that goal, on that we agree.
I like your quote "If you want peace,let go, just relax and enjoy the moment" Will.
But that moment is fleeting.
I think Peace and Tranquility are almost the same but they aren't.
If you substituted Tranquility for Peace it would stand up better.
But the beauty of these discussions are that it's all speculation so there are no winners or losers.
Thanks for Listening,
John
I think a state of real Peace is fully obtainable and possible to find even in the most "stressful" of moments. The outside forces only disrupt our inner Peace to the degree we're attached to those things.
Greetings,
" Outside forces disrupt our inner Peace to the Degree we're attached to those things"
When we are dealing with disruptive outside forces it has to have some impact on our inner Peace because of our instinctive nature to deal with it will use parts of our inner being from a majority of our thought processes, immediate reactions utilizing muscle memory,the adrenaline created from the fight or flight syndrome especially in the most "stressful" moments.
I think what is missing from this conversation is of our definition and degree of disruptive outside forces . Is it some minor mental issue or something physicaly threatening ? Also a better definition of Peace .Peace as in no coflicts or Peace as in Tranquility
Also, different life experiences could be a factor in our views.
Peace is acheived or allowed to be when many factors all fall in place synchronized perfectly. When that happens enjoy and appreciate and cling to it for as long as one can.
Because Peace is beauty and harmony and humans have many counter productive traits that put Peace at risk.
Thanks for listening.
John H.
I think that the forces that hold us apart from Peace, are far more than most people imagine... In reality, there's no way one can completely rid themselves of those inborn thoughts, feelings and emotions, that all too often hold the individual in their grasp...
In many ways, one can come to terms with and stand above and beyond the ties that bind, but (as with anything that is addictive or inherent) most gremlins are still resting quietly in the background: awaiting the chance to lend you 'their disabling style' of help... And we all know where that would lead us...
There's nothing easy about it at all... It's a long and arduous journey to Peace: and one where a constant vigil is needed, if the individual intends to stay on the straight and narrow...
All oriental philosophies, as well as American (3 Americas) Ancient religions, offer Peace as a mental state free of hate, anxiety, fears and guit. To achieve this Peace all of them agree that it is necessary some efforts on self-controlling, temperance and principally a strong will. I'd like to know if this theories really works on normal conditions, I mean, most of the oriental monks live a contemplative life apart from society. They don't have to deal with traffic jams, violence, drugs, unemployment and so on. They don't care about those things because they are not part of their lives.
Besides, I agree with John when he says that Peace is fleeting and most of the time taken as tranquility. Jesus Chirst is considered a maximun example of Peace. But he was energetic and strong when it was necessary. He suffered, he cried. But nobody can say that he has lost his Peace for a single moment.
In my opinion, Peace is not achieving a hypothetical Nirvana disconnected to reality. Peace comes when you don't owe anything to your conscience.
Greetings,
Ana,
Another good post. Seen your one on previous topic here.
And remember your post on the Gen'l Custer dicussion awhile ago.
I particually like your point on how Monks although highly disaplined don't have to deal with mundane day to day distractions and stress that we do on daily basis.
Also I think you laid the ground work for a future topic with you pointing out that there are three America's not just the US. North, Central, and South America co-exist but the US has taken the term American over .
Thanks for Listening,
John
To quote you...
'Peace comes when you don't owe anything to your conscience.'
We can pontificate about peace for a thousand years, but I think you've encapsulated the very essence of peace in one short sentence... And that takes some doing - me'thinks...
For you... 
From John:
"When we are dealing with disruptive outside forces it has to have some impact on our inner Peace because of our instinctive nature to deal with it will use parts of our inner being from a majority of our thought processes, immediate reactions utilizing muscle memory,the adrenaline created from the fight or flight syndrome especially in the most "stressful" moments."
And why must those things disrupt our Peace? Peace is more than stillness. Stillness of the mind yes, but real Peace is an overflowing abundance of Being. It's passion for life, not a retreat from it. Monks who reject the world usually have a fake sense of peace and unfortunately many "spiritual" people still propagate this illusion. They haven't found peace in themselves so they create an outside world that resembles their beliefs about what peace should look like. It's attachment to the outside that disturbs peace. Buddha didn't acheive Enlightenment by hiding in the palace, he had to face what was outside and overcome those things before he discovered what Peace really was.
Will,
Just reread my last post . I've not been persuaded.
But thats ok we don't have to agree.
Even though I disagree when I thought you were mistreated by the "Other" group I took a stand for you and now stand corrected on that subject.
Take Care,
John
One can not find peace "externally" because it comes from within. You will always see your "reality" through your expereince. When you change your internal reality and thoughts and the way you perceive yoru world, your external reality (including inner peace) will be reflected in your experience, there are NO exceptions.
Hi Kerri,
I never said one finds Peace externally. Agree it comes from within but truly feel
disruptive forces must have some influence on our inner peace for the reasons stated above.
It sounds like we are more in agreement than disagreement about outside forces being reflected on our inner peace therefore having some impact .
What seems unclear is whether the impact alters our inner peace. My view is it does.
As far as no exceotions ask Sarvo his saying about absolutes.
Thanks for Listening,
John H.
You'll not be persuaded that Peace is already alive within you? You can try to persuade me otherwise, if I've only found a fake peace within it should be quite easy. I rather enjoy these discussions, it makes those involved take a good look at their beliefs.
Will, of course Peace is alive within all of us.
My argument has been disruptive outside forces have to have some impact on our inner Peace.
The same discussion we have had three times already.Scroll backwords.
Our basic disagreement has been how the outside forces especially the stressful ones impact our inner Peace.
And that Peace is fleeting because of these forces because we are not flawless beings.
We are only humans. I think we are stuck at this point in the discussion and we can't change each other's views.
So as our last discussion ended. We'll agree to disagree. I respect your views but don't have to make them mine and vice versa.
Thanks for Listening,
John
"...disruptive outside forces have to have some impact on our inner Peace.."
I agree, John. Even many "saints" of this human race have had their challenges, during their lifetimes. In my humble opinion, I sense we know, before taking a physical embodiment, of the challenges we wish to experience. An experiment to see if we can source our inner Peace for grounding of strength, in face of any "external" challenges we choose to experience. A definite human experience, but the soul to me..., is a flawless spark of life, that we are trying to achieve a balance with the physical.
Dr. Masaru Emoto, has presented good documentation of how "our thoughts and emotions can alter the molecular structure of water." Similar evidence is found in how each tone, pitch, or frequency of vibration can alter the pattern of sand. To me, there is good evidence how external and internal vibrations or wavelengths can affect everything.
If we wanted infinite peace..., without the external challenges, then it seems that we wouldn't take a physical embodiment within this dense dimension of Earth. 
