Something has been constantly coming to the surface in my mind, regarding certain aspects of spirituality: and it all boils down to ‘need’…
It strikes me, that humanity is the only species within the cosmos (as far as I’m aware) who finds a need to consider spirituality as an important principle within their lives – and I’m beginning to wonder: why such should be the case…
I’m sure we’ve all encountered the concept that humans have a higher intellect than most other genus and therefore, can visualize the need (and have the ability) to search for that, which they consider lacking or perhaps perceptible in their lives…
But I find that a rather audacious consideration, taking into account the presence (and enigmatic workings of) everything else that exists: above and below the human structure…
One could even pose the question: ‘might such parallels of observation be detrimental to; assiduous and/or fundamental analysis’ of one’s own pragmatic needs: whether spiritual or otherwise…
Responsibilities set aside, is there any practical or essential reason for the individual to try and ascertain ‘further needs’ – particularly those of a spiritual nature??? Or is there an inborn obligation for them to do so???
Whilst these are my personal considerations, others might have similar, indifferent or totally opposing perspectives they’d like to share…
Greetings,
I beleive that it should be the case because our thirst for knowledge that can explain or at least placate us for awhile is what we are seeking.
I don't think it's detrimental to one's own needs because our insatiable thirst applys to everthing.
I'm leaning towards an inborn obligation to try and ascertain"further needs" particually of a Spiritual nature because as human beings we can never be satisfied with an unanswered question.
Perhaps that is the need it all boils down to?
Thanks for Listening,
John
hi, Robbie -- it's a good enquiry.
the enlightened characters always make a point to mention that the human energy system is unique in this creation, not because of the 'intellect' you mention, but because of the consciousness. we have a capability to merge with the divine energy and divine Intelligence, unlike other creatures, to be simultaneously in the body but in union with the divine, aware of itself.
it has to do with the way the soul is made, and the way the chakras operate -- the human system is an instrument of the divine awareness. we have that capability. '...made in god's image.'
Alx
This is my first post here in this group. I am Brazilian and so I'd like to ask you to be patient with my English, ok?
Well, there are some considerations that I'd like to add to this discussion. Why do we believe that we are "the only species within the cosmos", as Robbie said ? Because we cannot see "the others"? Because our telescopes, our machines cannot catch a trace of extraterrestrial life? But we cannot see the virus and the bacterias without a microscope either. Some centuries ago, if someone mentioned that humans' diseases were caused by microorganisms he would be sent to fire. So our uniqueness and our intelligence must be questioned simply because we don't have any material proof if there is a higher one.
A second point is somewhat related to this idea. Looking to man's history in this planet we cannot say that that mankind is at the end of the evolution line. Many "mysteries" of our souls and of our world probably will be seen as natural and usual one day by new human species. But before we have progress in this evolution trail, we should observe the universe as it is today. Everything is balanced. Everything has its purpose. Need has its purpose too, maybe to make us go on the trail. Maybe this need for answers concerning spirituality is what really pushes us ahead, what really opens our minds.
"Need has its purpose too, maybe to make us go on the trail. Maybe this need for answers concerning spirituality is what really pushes us ahead, what really opens our minds."
I loved this comment and I agree. As Ana put so wonderfully, "everything has its purpose," and this could apply to the "need" for observing aspects of spirituality. Each journey of life unique to each, that this is a possibility.
Funny timing on this post, Robbie...., as I was pondering the strong connection we have to the vast knowledge of life, in this time-period. I believe the internet has created a condition of life that provides perhaps, the most, discoveries of this world and all life in it. It boggles my mind, that science is trying to smash particles together to recreate the big-bang, to find answers of the "unknown." However, maybe there is a greater purpose to it, than I can see, at the moment...heh.
is there any practical or essential reason for the individual to try and ascertain ‘further needs’ – particularly those of a spiritual nature??? Or is there an inborn obligation for them to do so???
Perhaps, moreso..., there is a possible "inborn" obligation.., which can be any practical or essential reason for one's own growth, advancement, or moving forward. I think of another favorite movie of mine, K-PAX, where the star, Kevin Spacey, explains light travel as the harnessing of lightwaves, and likened it to the way a glass prism can be used to reflect or split light into refracted pathways. Perhaps, in a similar thinking.., the "need" of spiritual interests are aligned to one's specific journey, in a specific 'time-period,' from one's Source or Spirit.
Hmmm..., so am I more spiritual from being more "open-minded" or am I more open-minded from being more spiritual??
I've been studying all the replies, the thoughts and considerations... Some I can gel with - others not...
Many an hour I've sat thinking about all that exists on this planet and I often come to the conclusion, that mankind is the stumbling block to overall peace and tranquility both on earth and above it...
Can anyone imagine (as I've done on many occasions) what it might be like on earth, if mankind had never existed... Oh what a wonderful garden of Eden it would be...
I also (sometimes) come to the conclusion, that if I were to really want peace amongst all creation, I should be going backwards towards source, to be able to start all over again: if I wanted to get to a positive and perfect future...
Why search ahead, for something that could (and no doubt did and still does) lay in the past...
Once read a children's SciFi book about a group of kids that went on a journey to a far planet... They could get nowhere on its surface, unless they went backwards... Even tiome worked backwards... In the end, it all worked out... That's stuck in my mind ever since... I often wonder why...
I'm sure there's much more to all this than we can imagine - let alone: successfully handle...
Greetings Robbie,
Good Post you've written.
Really like part " that mankind is the stumbling block to overall peace and tranquility
Both on earth and above it ".
Just did a new post and said basically almost the same thing and ironicly the topic was peace.
You put it better than I did.
Thanks for Listening,
John
Maybe I didn't understand the topic, but isn't hindsight 20/20?
A wonderful Garden of Eden that no one would see and appreciate puts me in the mind of the koan that asks ""if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
Man is a stumbling block to the overall peace and tranquility to his surrounds. He's also challenged to find peace and tranquility in his individual inner space. We grope and stumble toward inner peace until the day we die. Hopefully, that day we will rest in peace.
Robbie, do you have a suggestion on how to go backwards toward source?
I think we are where we're at. At this point, the future probably won't be perfectly positive, but with effort perhaps it will be acceptable. It will be what it will be.
respectfully....
Greetings,
Carol you have brought up some good points worth pondering.
Really liked your last paragraph.
"At this point, the future probalywon't be perfectly positive, but with effort perhaps it will be
acceptable. It will be what it will be."
Thanks for Listening,
John
I suppose the topic was directed towards a reasoning, that a/the search for higher levels of spiritual understanding ~ had ~ throughout the course of mankind's evolution, become something of a necessary quest: rather than being a simple emotive force which should have deleloped in a natural manner, as is so within all other species and universal elements...
I'd agree that paradoxical anecdotes such as the tree in the wood might give one something to consider, but the tree would not be the only thing in the forest and the sound or observation of its falling would be heard/recognised by all around it... Sound does not require the presence of mankind to make it an established fact...
No Carol... Sadly I couldn't give any logical suggestions as to how one might go backwards to source, other than to trace a backwards path through the avenues of one's subconscious mind until one reaches the point where the pathway featuring natural elements and ingredients for a more innocent and gentle approach to development: awaits one's return...
Robbie,
‘mankind is the stumbling block to overall peace and tranquillity both on earth and above it..’
Could it be that we are meant to be the stumbling block? For some great plan that we are not allowed to know, are we just players in a great mind game of the Gods???
Just a thought.
Bow…
Bow ~ you might just have hit the nail on the head there...
I suppose there's no logical (or for that matter) irrefutable rasionale why that shouldn't be the case, because there are far more motives that we don't know about or understand: than there are those which we do...
It's almost like a universal equivalent of: Murphy’s law...
I suppose one needs to appreciate that the subconscious contains all, which includes the good, the bad and the ugly... That can be pretty well established by the fact that personalities and ethics are built on that drawn from such a reservoir, hence the outstanding differences between each person... Iindividuality springs to mind... What make one person arrive at one particular destination and another: at somewhere quite different???
That which we build our philosophies on, comes from a vast array of possibilities, all of which have a particular value within an available spectrum of distinctions... We take from the store, that which we think or feel will be advantageous to our cause, or in our best interest, yet we have no idea at the offset, whether or not such will be the case at the final count-down... It's no different to making a cake in that sense... We have no recipes or formulas other than intuitive thought with which to balance one criterion against another...
And that is where the answer might lie... In the whole universal programme (and I've suggested something akin to this before) maybe mankind is the thorn in the flesh of natural evolution; as are germs and viruses within our overall development... Are we (as Bow suggested) actually in the lap of the gods, as would be pieces in a game??? Was the whole universal programme designed to operate on a 'survival of the fittest' concept??? Or did it turn out the way it has with the big bang - ie: something that should never have happened in the first place???
maybe mankind is the thorn in the flesh of natural evolution; as are germs and viruses within our overall development... Are we (as Bow suggested) actually in the lap of the gods, as would be pieces in a game??? Was the whole universal programme designed to operate on a 'survival of the fittest' concept??? Or did it turn out the way it has with the big bang - ie: something that should never have happened in the first place???
I have a similar thinking that human embodiments are the dense manifestations, which a soul offspring can choose in a presdestined or charted journey for the greater purpose of a higher "self" or Spirit or Source, within this dimension of Earth. Perhaps, "pieces in a game," but I sense we are also the Parent, playing the game, as well as a piece in the game. Well..., maybe...many pieces.
Historically, human civilizations have played out the "survival of the fittest" throughout lifetimes, but that seems to be a "human" perspective or opinion, and might not be necessarily a purpose of a "higher" nature, or a design of a universal program. However, I still am not sure, if the "higher entities" or "gods" should have been probing into this dense layer of creation/evolution.
I do strongly sense the time of future incarnations are coming to and end, soon. It will return, because I believe not all will choose to move forward, yet. However, it will be a very long time, before life can recycle, into this dimension of Earth, again. Frankly, I am ready to go play on a more expansive "playground"...heh. I sense those who have chosen to play in this "game," accepted the risks of possible negative ripples within their actions of human life, and purification of all actions would be necessary to move onward or merge with Source or Spirit.
Of course, the Sun will not last eternally for Earth to remain a learning physical plane, and that would be the "end game" point. Although, just one out of many other possible games, in a larger Mind......or...one cell of many....These are just my humble thoughts, of course....
