The best idea to improve Care2 is to wake up all the sleeping members! But how do you do that? 

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Is it possible to realy use a petition for a pledge to Boycott a country or company?

Or could we have Boycott tool? Boycotts are a great way to make a difference by punishing the bad guys!

How can i  skip the target? I do not need the target for a boycott!

Now i have used the target to inform these captains of industry about this boycott but it would be great if we could also send them e mails...by using the same Boycott!

Send mails...just a few commands and the captains of industry can follow the wave of compassion out of Care2! 

The news about the illegal countries from Ramons Share has done great but now its time

to combine all the efforts towards realy strong actions....

Illegal Countries. Don't Buy. Don't Go!
Animals  (tags: boycott )

I allready have the petition to Boycott Japan

Today i have started the petition to Boycott Austria

And since every Boycott should have its own website i have also started

a Boycott Austria group!

It would be great if we could have  Boycotts just like we have petitions

Its hard to find all the boycotts in Care2 now or does somebody knows how to find them all

Just like it would be great to have a place for surveys 

And last but not least how do i invite the people in GERMANY or at least the active ones?

Dr. Dr. Martin Balluch needs our help!

I can only reiterate: Folks, we are at a historic moment in time. Animal rights has become an issue that seriously challenges the system. The powerful have decided to smash it with brute force. We have to stand together firm now and fight this decisive battle. We cannot let them get away with that. We must win this one. No futher repression. No silencing of legitimate activism anymore. If we do not manage to Stopp this operation and hold these responsible acconntable, we won’t be able to be active for animal rights any longer. No further retreat. Its about all or nothing.
I count on you lot!

Language and communication is a great new group by Peppermint P. she deserves a web oscar for this group its amazing how many people want to learn and practice different languages!   This might even be the key to a strong language community in Europe you know how many different languages we have in Europe! German would be great for Care2

how many members do we have in Germany, Austria and Switzerland?

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Dear Sasha!
Please show me where i am harsh to the vegans!
If i am harsh i am harsh to people who cannot show respect!
No matter how much i admire them! And if you tell me who is
harsh to vegans and not like me to people who show no respect
i will immediately remove this member from the group! Tell me
and i will act immediately!
I respect and admire vegans! Its the best possible way to live!
You dont have to tell me that! I had a post somewhere here in care2 with 101 good reasons to stop eating meat!  EDUCATION IS the word!  DISCUSSION! Not fighting activists!
Love, peace and understanding!
We should fight for the animals all together! Take a look at my favorite political party the party for the animals in Holland!
They manage this problem very well...but it is a very difficult
should they only accept vegans? Or should they realy try to make a difference for the animals?
http://www.partyfortheanimals.nl/
I want them to help me with my Boycott on Japan!
They did because they have asked officially for economical sanctions but try to find it on the website they could do more
they could start a worldwide animal revolution!
This is the place for people like you!!!! Sign in for OEOM.org!
http://www.animalrightsadvocacy.org/
We should all together try to make the biggest possible difference for the animals! And i hope that you will try to
educate people ! All the best! Make love not war!

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Wow. You guys are being pretty harsh to the vegans. I don't think I want to be in this group anymore. When you speak of respect, Hans, look at the people who are doing the most to benefit the environment, animal welfare, and stop world hunger. Those people are vegans. Don't get so mean when vegans try to point out the flaws of human beings. I thought that's what a "true" activist did---try and prevent unnecessary cruelty and harm to others. Oh well. Goodbye group.

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maybe its an idea that care2 devides its selfs into 2 different sites,one for vegans and vegetarians and one for meat eaters,jeez,people fighting here instead of having just a discussion is madness !But hey,let's try to keep it friendly again.I also would want care2 to make a special announcement when a new petition has started.and to delete circulating petitions that have old deadlines and delete petitions who have no management any more.

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I would like to see more 'action' campaigns on care2. I have signed petitions until I'm blue in the face but nothing gets 'done'.
I think letter/email campaigns work better. Like in the case of the SHAC campaigns where each new target is sent so many emails they cannot ignore them simply for the fact that their email accounts are blocked.
They have driven HLS almost into the ground with their aggressive campaigns, only the government could save them from bankruptcy.
I sometimes think petitions are a way to keep us all busy and out of 'their' hair.
We need to organize more 'real' demonstrations in the streets and 'letter' campaigns.
A lot of the big groups are using this method more and more using a prewritten letter which you can send as-is or edit yourself.

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I would like to see Care2 develop some type of a 'new' petition notification.  I know that I would sign any new petition if I new that it was recently posted.  There are so many petitions, it is very difficult to keep track of them.  I think if more people could know what the new petitions are, then we would see more signing.  I have written to them suggesting this, but I haven't received an answer back yet that satisfied my request.

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Hi Terry!
The new petitions are on top because all new messages are on top
and i will delete all the old petitions that are being posted! Only new ones! Lets make it more easy to sign petitions! AND HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL START SIGNING THAN...8.000.000 MEMBERS BUT AN AVERAGE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES OF APPROX 300-350 TOO MANY PETITIONS...MANY VERY IMPORTANT PETITIONS DONT HAVE THE SIGNATURES THEY DESERVE!

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i would like to see them to put all of the new petitions at the top of the list.thank you

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"Why can’t people focus on the impact that they are making today, there will be no tomorrow worth living for if people don’t make an effort to changes today. It is the meat and dairy industries that is having the biggest impact on everything, "

I think the quote above from Kathys post is very much worth doing research on,I think there will come a time when,in an effort to save the planet and continue the existence of mankind,not only for the sake of animals,animal consumption and animal use in products will not be acceptable.

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I have stayed silent but I must say,Kathy is only trying to educate people,Education brings knowledge and awareness which can and in many situations does bring about positive changes. Personaly,I do not think calling anyone a hypocrite does any good,In my own case,seeing myself as a hypocrite,not only because I love animals but also because I care about mother earth and believe all the universe is interconnected and we should strive to harm none,lead to positive changes.BUT If someone where to say "look don't you find it hypocritical that you love animals and want to protect animals and yet you eat them?" I would not become insulting or abusive,I would consider their point.

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You know I joined this group because I thought everyone was going to be trying to do the same thing..and that is to make some difference in this world, but all I have seen so far is fighting and cutting down each other...so I am withdrawing from this group....I really hope all of you can come to terms and see that  you are not helping anything by fighting between each other!!!

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The one thing I love about care2 is the fact that people can discuss things, or at least they used to be able to.
I too am a disgruntled vegan and am often dissapointed with the double standards of this place so when someone comes out and says it Hoorah for them.
The trouble here is that they are now being told to 'hush' or be ousted. That smacks of fascism.
There are plenty of hunters and proud meat-eaters in care two who shout it from the rafters as often as they like.
Give us a rest!! We don't need it from a group calling itself the 'true activists'!!
It is neither true nor active to call yourself an animal lover and eat meat. Saving one animal while eating another is hypocrisy.

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"HUMAN culture".   ....we vegans are not humans ..we are aliens....i see....let me get out of here before ill have a real crisis....sorry Anita...its the first time i disagree with you .....the talk was about calling someone animal lover when eat meats..YOU CANT -LIKE IT OR NOT !!!!! CALL HIM HER DOG , CAT ...BIRD LOVER :NOT ANIMAL LOVER.......ITS FAKE & YOU ALL KNOW IT !!!! PERIOD....ITS LIKE I SAY :I FIGHT FOR HUMJAN RIGHTS  BUT I DONT LIKE ASIANS ......WHAT ON EARTH IS THAT??I FIGHT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS BUT NOT FOR ASIANS RIGHTS???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A JOKE ...IM OUT OF HERE .

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After close scrutiny of this group, (yes, I've been following) I am withdrawing my membership.. I find it appalling that people are being penalized for having a voice! It doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on, no one should be chastizing the other when we are all here for the same purpose. Regardless of what aspect that may be. There are people who just want to help save shelter animals. Some against fur, some again cruelty to companion animals, others inlcude farming animals.

The term "animal lover" can be interpreted as "companion" to a lot of people, while others it means ALL animals. Whether vegetarians and vegans like it or not, eating meat has always been part of the "HUMAN culture". If meat eaters can help save a few dogs from a kill shelter, or are appalled over cases like Tobey, or horse slaughter and write letters or sign petitions, then they why can't we see the good in that? Why is it everyone is always quick to chastize and slow to praise...if ever?

I will not be able to read any replies as I am deleting this group from my list.

And if I see any nasty responses posted on my group, they will immediately deleted and you will be banned from the group.  If any of the same messages show up in my email, you will be blocked and totally removed from my list.

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since every one is angry at this site and at alot of people, Why not try and find a different petition site to work from??? I mean there are lots of them out there. I was just looking and there seems to be some interesting ones to work from. I know a lot of people like care2 but hate the fact that they protect the trolls and such better than the real activists, so why not think about trying other petition sites??? has any one ever worked from any other sites like www.petitions.org ?? just wondering. Jodi

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no one....real people must hit the road & hypocrites can stay here give orders & threat people that they gonna be deleted !!! what a bunch of REAL ACTIVISTS...lol...

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hold on 1 sec here..i left this group but by watching this attack to a vegan , Kathy i came back to reply & put things in order [like it or not]....who is attacking meat eaters ?!?! only cause you dont like the fact that we say the facts & reality you say we attack you??!!! Kathy & me like some others was very clear .....you must stop this joke my dear Carolyn....not us....know calling you hypocrites its not the  best but thats a fact...period..they call me rude..ok..thats a fact...when im angry i talk tough but wait a second: the vegans must apologize here or you that eat animals???!!!! lets get serious here before this attack became bigger...you talk about RESPECT ;WHERE IS YOUR RESPECT TO US THAT DONT EAT OUR FRIENDS???!!! HANS DOES NOT REPLY MY MAILS...NEITHER YOU....YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY MAYBE ???!!! by flagging people you dont like you are not an activist ..you are a joke....by talking like Hitler to members only cause you are host or cohost its just UNACCEPTABLE.i will keep defending the reality people like it or not...Kathy is a vegan & YOU MUST RESPECT THAT...ishe is REAL. PERIOD...NOW SIT BACK , THINK WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN THIS GROUP & PLZ CHANGE THE TITLE...FROM TRUE ACTIVISTS TO MEAT EATERS THAN ATTACK VEGANS .

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Kathy... I've overridden your time out.  I'm respectfully asking you to stop the war here against meat eaters.  I can appreciate vegans and vegetarians and the example that they set for others.   Having once been a vegan and then a vegetarian myself for the reasons of doing it for the animals I understand the "why's" of it.  I'm asking that you not attack the meat eaters anymore.  We can have a calm, respectful discussion of this in another topic but this one is called IDEAS TO IMPROVE CARE2 and needs to return to that.   Hans has already asked that the attacks stop.    Please be respectful of that request.  Thank you, Carolyn

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>Kathy do you find it hard to respect the early peoples of North America who relied upon animals like bison(some tribes had over 50 uses for one bison, and this was due to need not greed), even if they had a far smaller ecological footprint than many of todays vegans?<

What I think, and how Native Americans or other cultures lived many years ago is irrelevant, Why can’t people focus on the impact that they are making today, there will be no tomorrow worth living for if people don’t make an effort to changes today. It is the meat and dairy industries that is having the biggest impact on everything, most of all the individual animals.    

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Enough Kathy!  Now that I'm a cohost here you won't be able to antagonize people with your putting them down and calling them names.  As of now you are on a one week suspension for doing this after the group owner told you to stop. If you don't think you can stop putting other people down in a week when you return then we'll drop you from the group.  Any other people feeling like they need to be some antagonizing person will also be placed on suspension, the war is over and this thread is closed! 

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Hans I apologise for misunderstanding what you were saying. We both know what Claudia is doing now. Btw I do have meat eating friends as well, but they don’t claim to be true activists that will do anything to help animals, they know that would make them hypocrites. They respect me and I respect them for being honest. I sign all petitions and note all stories I see that are in the interest of animals and victimized humans and the planet. I post petitions and ‘actions to take’ to friends and groups outside of care 2, I have 15 rescued animals at present, and I attend AR demos as often as I can (like yesterday for example against vivisection) and I try to ‘click on vote4’ while I’m at my PC. But, my biggest contribution to help animals comes from what I don’t do!  

A Suggestion to improve this group would be for people to not contradict them self, here are a few examples…   

 >All this fighting has to stop and the focus needs to be on the animals and not on what we eat<   

The Focus IS ON THE ANIMALS, when you are eating them how can it NOT BE???

>Focus instead on the needed work for the animals<

Well that IS EXACTLY WHAT I DO…  

And since when has a… PIG, COW, CHICKEN, SHEEP, CAT, DUCK, GOOSE, HORSE, DOG, DEER, etc etc. NOT BEEN AN ANIMAL ???

>The petition signers, the click to donaters, the petition writers, the callers, the faxers, the writers, the News to Noters, the meat eaters, the non meat eaters, the protestors, all of you are needed for the animals.<

Speaking FOR THE ANIMALS (the ones that are ABUSED MORE THAN ANY OTHER ANIMALS in the world, It is without doubt that these animals do not need… “the meat eaters”

 >……A meat eater can only be friends with meat eaters.  That's fine.  Again, the work is for the animals<

BUT again you forgot to add ONLY SOME ANIMALS! 

How about improving care2 by…“CARING”… FOR ALL ANIMALS… and NOT BEING SELECTIVE (according to what tastes good?) A TRUE ACTVIST would not have these double standards!

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I understand and agree with you Hans, and i did not get the impression you disliked Claudia either. We are stronger together! Kathy do you find it hard to respect the early peoples of North America who relied upon animals like bison(some tribes had over 50 uses for one bison, and this was due to need not greed), even if they had a far smaller ecological footprint than many of todays vegans? The post condemning all Asians is wrong, generalising has been proven to be inaccurate throughout the ages, I bet there is at least one Asian that has not and will not harm or eat any animal, so condemning that person purely because they live with others that do is fundamentaly wrong.

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       yes well said. (And @ Kathy,my dear, i think you might misread the post from hans about claudia,he's not glad that she is gone.So maybe you just read it the wrong way.)And all the members,i agree with carolyn to,we have to stop fighting each other ,and start fighting for the animals

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Hans, I totally understood what you said and no where in your post did you say that you were glad that Claudia was gone.  All this fighting has to stop and the focus needs to be on the animals and not on what we eat.  Want to improve Care2?  Then stop the fighting between meat eaters and non meat eaters.  Focus instead on the needed work for the animals.  The petition signers, the click to donaters, the petition writers, the callers, the faxers, the writers, the News to Noters, the meat eaters, the non meat eaters, the protestors, all of you are needed for the animals.  So someone is a vegan and can't be friends with someone who isn't.  That's fine.  We're doing our work for the animals, not for other people's approval.  A meat eater can only be friends with meat eaters.  That's fine.  Again, the work is for the animals.  The only thing you're missing out on is having friends with a different diet.  We don't sign petitions based on if the writer is a meat eater or not.  We are signing not for the writer but rather the cause.  Care2 was created for all people.... meat eaters, vegans, vegetarians alike.  If you want to improve Care2 then get back to your focus and causes and fight the fight. 

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Dear Kathy!
You are so wrong about me and Claudia! I can guarantee that!
I am glad that Claudia is taking care of her family and not
wasting her time here anymore! If she could make a difference she would still be here! But the members have shown her that her work is useless!
Her explanation was great and i respect her decission! She did too much and did not see anything happen...
Look at the petitions here in care2... why cannot we reach more activists? Because there are not more than the one who sign...

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I've read through this thread and will be back, after I collect my thoughts.

Blessings, L.L.

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I give my sincere apology to Claudia. I was wrong to assume that they were all from you.  I too, agree with Hans we must get past some of our differences and work together to reach our common goals. Peacefully and without dicrimination.

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the upper posts were from claudia,not the last 2 ones,i think maybe its better that one of the hosts can change in the managment of this group that it is not allowed to make anoymous posts ???

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the last 2 posts were not from claudia !!!

And i definatly agree with Hans !!!

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As a vegan I DO find it difficult but not impossible to be friends w/meat eaters so long as it's not a threatened or endangered species. There are many would have fight against fur, sport hunting, dog fighting & animal research etc who will then eat a steak. I know it's hypocrisy but can't afford to let everyone go when they could be an ally on other issues. 

I try to get them to give up eating animals/animal products based on nutrition and convert almost all my friends but there are a couple of holdouts.

However China and all of asia is different. I would love to see them bombed all destroyed every last person. They have the most vile and dispicable culture every to grace this earth eclisping evern the Romans when it comes to both animals and people. It's as though we think we can change people who skin animals alive and drink their blood. Who has the time for that when there is no reason for them to exist. have we all forgotten Tiananmen square? Their arms buildup? Other cultures may be worth saving but not asian. Sorry. No real animal person could think that.

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I have been reading all posts and I believe anonymous posts were Claudia's before she left. If you read them she was talking about unnecessay new posts and all the work involved in keeping things straight. I don't know what happened here, but shouldn't we all be working toward saving our planet  and the animals on it from our destuctive behavior? If you show RESPECT you receive RESPECT! People please quit judging others we are all (hopefully) working towards the same goal! Some are just in a different place on the path of knowledge. None of us are born in the place you are today.

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stop the drama?? Coming from some one who uses all caps.

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I agree with Hans about RESPECT. I know people who will never support animal rights activists because they think they are crack pots for expecting EVERY one to just give up all meat. That is just not realistic and can make many enemy for discriminating so harshly. It also inflames peoples egos and makes them even more stubborn to have their "right" to eat meat.

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Feel free to contribute open new discussions invite your friends to join make educate people about your activism and share your ideas! We love people who contribute!

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hi everyone, sorry I haven't been on for a while but between being sick and working 10-12 hours a day, i barely have time to sign petitions and do my click to donate sites...As far as having everything in one category, there are a couple of groups that do that that I am a member of, it is a good idea, but it is kind of hard to keep track of when we no longer need to worry about a particular post (especially if its animals needing homes or something similar to that) several people including myself like to have updates on whether the animals were saved and things like that so I know it would keep the new topics down but there are certain things I believe deserve a topic of their own!!  I know I haven't been on here much, so I can understand if you don't want to take my idea into consideration

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Daphne made a good comment. I have not been on as long as my friends have. But, I am seeing a lot of issues that does not have nothing to do with helping our world, and all humane things in it. I see we are losing a lot of good people. I agree with Daphne. I also think that if something is posted, follow through. I have one small idea, I also think that if you live in an area that has animal or human, or sea creatures that you are trying to help, check it out. I am still on a few topics that I have not finished yet. i have still been helping the puppy's that were thrown off the cliffs and the inocent people that they have hurt. I am making sure through the Legions I am making a differancce in my own town. It has also effected the innocent people that have had nothing to do with these animals and people that fight for our country. I still sign what I can. I adore and respect a lot of the people that back up and help the things they defend or can not talk on their own behalf. Some of the sites are really hard to get on, that I can be on to help. If anything I just want us to have a better future for our planet and everything that lives on it. I want to teach the worlds children that it is ok to help and not destroy so much. This is their future and we have it in our control. So, please let us work together in achieving these goals. I was working almost 50 hours and week and still devote 1 to 2 hours a day if possible to help achieve these goals. I am sure that care2/action does understand this as we with children and families have to spend quality time with them, too. So lets get it together and fight for the cause of saving a planet.

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I am just glad the members post. After awhile I will move the post into a blue pinned category where they 'should' have posted, and write them a note telling them i moved their post into a blue pin (name the topic)...no one has complained so far. Another thing is to blue pin their post and make that a category, sometimes you have to change a word or 2, then the blue pin grows w/ their name on it, they usually like that instead of seeing your name over all the topics, makes people think they cannot post.

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PEOPLE WILL NEVER STOP POSTING NEW TOPICS LIKE IT OR NOT !!! ALL THESE YEARS I RESPECT THE RULES & NEVER OPENED A NEW TOPIC UNLESS IS NOT THERE ..JUST SAW MY POST ABOUT HANS IS DELETED  SO LISTEN PEOPLE ..RESPECT REAL ACTIVISTS & START BEHAVING LIKE 1 .....ENOUGH IS ENOUGH & I HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH .....ANIMALS ARE DYING & YOU WASTE TIME WHO IS POSTING WHAT .......BE MATURE FOR A CHANGE & THINK WHAT ARE YOU FIGHITING FOR !!!!!!!!!! ANIMAL LOVERS CALL YOURSELF OG LOVER  , CAT LOVER..BUT I EAT THE REST.....STOP THIS HYPOCRICY & BE REAL ACTIVISTS ..IF NOT STOP THIS DRAMA CAUSE ITS REALLY FRUSTRATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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i give up

members just keep opening new topics were there is no need to.a week ago everything looked really organized and now its allready starting to look messy again.if members just keep ignoring the rules and don't look if there allready a topic excists to put their story in,then,sorry,i wont spent hours and hours any more cleaning ad relocating it all up.its to much work on my own.2 weeks ago i spent many hours cleaning,relocating but its to hard to keep up if some mebers ignore the rules

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A thread where we can stop in and say "hello,I am here".Having an attendance register at Tree Lovers group helps keep people actively clicking the Daily Donate Clicks.

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You did a great job Claudia getting everything so well organized!  Thank you! 

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im working on that

but the job is very difficult when members still open new topics,where they should and could be placed in allready excisting topics.Today

i allready relocated a lot of posts to the right topics and deleting double posts

It's hard to keep up,but i hope to get the job done soon.And with the help of the other group hosts

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It would be good to have all red threads as topics ie.
human rights
animal rights
environment
politics
etc
Its gonna be hard organizing all the different subjects I know.
Another way to do it would be to concentrate on one big topic per week for something urgent like a 'campaign of the week'.

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care2 is getting worde more and more each day a lot of things dont seem to work anymore

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I like Linda's idea on categories such as "animal petitions", etc. The thing that really drives me crazy is the fact that there is no date on postings in a group. This particular thread at least does have "1 day ago, 10 days ago" etc. But why is it so difficult to have a date show for each post? Perhaps we who really care about timely matters could type in the date of our own posts. Just a thought.

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you just said what i wanted to say Boris !!!

I totally agree with you !!!!!

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One big problem I've found on some of my other groups is that it seems people start a new thread for every new topic.  My I suggest creating categories like "animal petitions" "enviro petitions", etc.  Also, one for "news to note", "action alerts" that we receive from various organizations, and so on.  And if the thread gets too long, create a new thread for each month.

Many times I've wanted to post an action on a relevent group, but couldn't find an appropriate topic to post it under, and I didn't want to start a new thread because it seems like only a few people are replying to each thread.  If there is a centrilized place for each topic it will be easier to post, and easier for members to take the actions they want to take.

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please if you know or have ideas how this group may be more effective then post them here , please give all the salient detail so we can act on it if deemed right for the development of the group

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