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6 years ago
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Good eve to All! As always I am proud to be part of the open poly community. Please, be honest and considerete of members and their chosen way of honest and multiple relationships, or if they chose to be with one for now that is great too! well, I hope to see some activity here, and I wish you luck.
Greeetings All!
6 years ago
Hi to all, Wonderful that others share this energy and kindred spirit! Would love to get to know and share ideas and thoughts about poly and life. Warm Hugs, Anthony
Any time
6 years ago
This is why I started this group. I've been getting tired of having one last closet I have lived as Poly for going on three years now, myself.
This group is a good idea!
6 years ago
really, polyamory is more biologically feasible than monogamy. More creatures in this world are polyamoras than are monogamos. It's actually very natural especially for males to be polyamoras.
From how I understand it...
6 years ago
Jason- from whom I have met, and granted I have not been active in the poly community very long, it is about evenly split, males and females. It is true that biologically or otherwise its not very likely for only one person to eternally satisfy or be satisfied by one other partner. Add into that different tastes and preferences, the list can be endless. That being said, the Potential for being honest with ones self, and ones choice of partners, having the option to seek others if desired, abiding by everyone’s requests, simply seems natural. Namaste- MK
Howdy
6 years ago
I'm very happy to see this community here. I look forward to being a part of this community for a long time to come. Thanks, Karma
Thankyou
6 years ago
hello- I too have felt there has been a group topic missing from most communities. When I found there was a way to start my own, I felt there was no better time, or place. welcome
6 years ago
Hi,my name is Elizabeth.I think I am going to like this group because I could never understand why we were supposed to have just one relationship at the time,excluding all others...I believe it is possible to have either just one relationship or more than one.I am happy to find people who think this way...
Hi
6 years ago
Polyamory sounds great to me! I've never been very jealous. I'm open to relationships but I haven't been actively looking for lovers. As nice as the idea of close friendships and love relationships is, I always find myself spending more time on solitary development activities. I still don't fully know how to schedule one other person into my life let alone several people.
6 years ago
Maybe not all those relationships will be as close,maybe not all will be alike in intensity,but still they might exist...
Married but Curious
6 years ago
Hi everyone. Thanks for having me in your group. I have been "monogamously" married for four years. I got married young. Anyway, my husband and I do experiment, and I love learning about polyamory, but he would never go for it, and I am not sure I would be most comfortable with it either. We both have insecurity issues, and I have learned a great deal on polyamory and it makes a lot of sense. I hope I am welcome here even just for my curiosity. At this point in my life I like the knowledge. Take care -- Beth
6 years ago
In what regards to me,you are more than welcome!
Of course you are welcome
6 years ago
There are plenty of paths we all walk. and simply the more who are aware of the path many of us here share, the better for all. Feel free to post again anytime.
There are plenty of single polys too!
6 years ago
on the note of knowing how to make time for others, yes, it can be a challenge (one of my partners is out of state) But just because somone is open and honest about loving more then one, does not automatacly mean they will have many partners...or who their dream mate(s) are. Currntly with a a new buisness om starting up its hard for me to even spend time with the one I live with.
6 years ago
I've never been part of any kind of polyamorous group, but I consider myself fairly open minded. I also like to engage in intelligent conversation, so I have no fear about being part of this group.
Bethany B.
6 years ago
You sound like me! I've been married almost 5 years, monogamously. We have a few jealousy issues. We talk about finding a "third", but have not taken any action yet. Frankly, I'm not positive that I would act upon it, even though I am quite interested. I am glad there is a place for us to go and chat about our feelings. Thanks, everyone!
6 years ago
Hi, Kelly! Jealousy issues? Can you elaborate on that? My initial reaction to that is if there are jealousy issues already, it would be difficult to have a "healthy" polyamorous lifestyle. I could be wrong.
hello
6 years ago
i always wondered why people think 1 partner is enough...i am 49 and active and haven`t found one woman too satify me yet..
jealousy issues
6 years ago
Hubby, on occasion, gets the idea in his head that I'm sleeping with his friends. Like, once a year he'll freak out and be super suspicious. He's better now, because he found out the friends he was questioning are all interested in thicker women with bigger boobs, and as a dancer, I'm a slender woman with littler (but still very cute) boobs. So that's helped. We have decided that if we ever do persue expanding our sex life to other people, it'll have to be a three-some type deal, where we're both present. And, you have to satisfy your spouse first. Or, at least, pay attention to them first! Hubby is an enigma. He likes me to dress all cute/sexy, and wear makeup, so he can show me off...then gets a little upset when people take notice. Can anyone relate or offer help?
6 years ago
In your consideration to bring in a third partner are you talking about bringing in a man or woman? When you mean he dresses up, wearing make-up, is it dressing like a woman? If not, what do you mean by wearing make-up? --Jer
Sorry if I wrote that wrong!
6 years ago
I didn't mean to cause any confusion. Just incase I mistyped, what I meant to say was that hubby liked it when I would dress up all cutey and girly and I wear makeup. Not him. He'd kill me if he thought I was telling people he wore makeup! And, for the other question Jer, since it's his fantasy to have two girls, we'd have to test the waters by introducing a female first, I think. And if that goes well...maybe give a guy a try? We'll see! Of course I'll fill you all in if it ever happens. :o)
oops! sorry!
6 years ago
I was the one who made the mistake. I read it wrong. I think all men like their woman to look good. So are you saying you do it for him? You don't do it for yourself? Maybe you like wearing a t-shirt and shorts? --Jer
6 years ago
Here's my response. He can't have it both ways. If you look hot, people are going to look. If he has a hard time with that. The only thing that can fix it is himself. If he's not secure enough to handle all the looking, well it's mostly his problem. It shouldn't be your problem Kelly. If he's making it your problem too, then he is in the wrong. --J
Hi
6 years ago
Just popped by to say hi. I guess I've been poly all my life, though never unfaithful! Truth, honesty and intent is more important than forced monogamy. One of the joys of finding another to love is that the excitement it generates can be brought back to your primary partner (usually the one you have the kids with). If you are cheating, then you are stealing that love away. My regret is that with my gift of discontinuity of self (discussed in other forums), I am aware that there have been lovers I can no longer recall, for a variety of reasons. It is also why I find it so easy to fall in love anew each day! When you have to live in the present, as I do, it is best to make the most of it! LOVE.
Anonymous
I'll just be a wallflower
5 years ago
For now, I think I'll test the waters for a bit before posting. Thanks for inviting
Kelly...
5 years ago
That jealousy thing can be hard to overcome (as a scorpio I know that first-hand), but it can be done. And speaking from experience, I entered into a marriage where my wife wanted to continue a relationship with a guy which she had begun a few years earlier. I agreed, but with the stipulation that I be able to pursue any possible relation that might come up. She agreed. Things got somewhat weird after that. I'm not sure that public forum is the place to elaborate, but feel free to email if you like. In fine, go slowly and talk it out first.
Hi!
5 years ago

I'm noticing it's quiet around here... What are ya'll really doing that is keeping your fingers soo busy?

I'm new to this , I'll admit, but as my marriage is ending, I'm wondering if this is the real reason I am willing to put it behind me and move on to better things.

I'm not apposed to having more tham one lover at a time, just lying and cheating.

AS it stands now, I have a husband who I am open with about my being a Domme and taking subs, I just don't have intercourse with them. He's good with that, but in so many other ways it's not working out so I'm getting a divorce.

I'm looking foreward to learning more about the lifestyle and seeing what is talked about on this board.

LisaC.

Anonymous
Well HiYa everyone!!!
4 years ago

My partner & I have recently, in the last few days, started conversing about polyamory. We've been together 7 years & even though we have an abundance of love for each other, I am worried that jealousy & insecurities, on both sides, may cause problems in the future. So, I guess my question is - How do people handle these situations where jealousy may raise it's ugly head later on?

I'm happy to be here & like a few others above, look forward to learning..

Peace & Love,

Deanna

Anonymous
4 years ago
Thought I'd introduce myself. Hey everyone.. I'm 27 (though usually come off sounding 80 or 8.. *grin*) Hobbies include: motorcycles, sailing, tattoos, spiritual growth / personal development, martial arts, techno-geekieness, playing outside, stomping in mudpuddles, etc.. *grin* I'm single, and am ultimately looking forward to a poly-fi family. Never thought I'd be much into poly-am relating, but you know what life does with things you never expected... *grin* oh well... *grin* Check out http://www.apGaia.org/aspen/ for more info... or either of the groups I host (I'm always looking for feedback) Anyhow, have fun out there and take good care of yourselves, Peace, Freedom, & Agape' ~aspen.
Hi all :)
4 years ago

I finally got off my duff and decided to take a virtual stroll around the communities here.

From the few posts that I've read so far, I am very happy to see one wrt this topic; I'm 30, poly and engaged. And we are both very happy, and I feel blessed to have such  close friends and lovers as I do.

Combating jealousy
4 years ago

Jealousy is an emotion (a 'symptom').  Polyamory is a 'condition' in which jealousy can occur.  Staying focused on the condition and it's founding principles (YOUR principles) can certainly help in enhancing or combatting any of the 'symptoms'.

For me this is very simple to do.....the main principle of polyamory shouldn't be "what can it do for me", but rather, "what can it do for my partner?"  Isn't it "True" love to want to give your partner as much fulfillment as possible in their life?  I know that I cannot fulfill all of her needs and I would rather her "have it all", than for me to "have her all to myself".

Jealousy is indicative of selfishness.  Poly is about selfLESSness; wanting the MOST for the most important person to you on this earth!  And in return, the fulfilled heart of your partner will want to give you that same fulfillment of your own desires and needs.

Once this circle of unconditional love is established and running between the partners, there's very little room for destructive emotions like jealousy.  Jealousy becomes such a complete contrast to your principles that it will seem totally illogical to you to even THINK of it, much less participate in it.

Darly

Seldom seen or heard from other moderator intro
4 years ago
Hello to everyone here, and also to those just visiting,
On a standard form identifier Iam: male, 39, of Irish/NativeAmerican
brn/blnd hair, blu/grn eyes, 125#, 5'9", my hobbies are: cars, guitars, and native cultures. I also write fiction, and music; and am a member of the SCA, as well as
recently the Green Party.
In the modified form: Im a open-minded, freedom lover

who is ferociously against Thought Police(generally religious in origin, with
an amazing spill over of society and its value system ) and government
Oppression of any citizens rights to "...Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of
Happiness..."; so I guess I'm like any other american, except I am less
inclined to sit still, mind my own beeswax, and stay silent like the other
sheep and cattle in our country.
oh, yeah and I am a Scorpio/Sagitaurius
Cusp. So I have issues.....heheh.

I agree
3 years ago
Darly, you are so right!
3 years ago

Hi, I'm Kathy & I'm new here. I've been a member for a while but I couldn't post due to computer problems.

I'm in a polyamoruous marriage.  We've been married for 31 1/2 yrs and my husband has had another love for the last 8 1/2 and I have had a beloved for the last 14 mos.

For us, this life seems to work quite well but it does take a lot of trust as well as a high degree of open, sometimes uncomfortable communication.  We have had our moments of jealousy and insecurity but overall it's been more positive than negative.  We are on this journey together and expect to spend the rest of our lives together.

I'm glad to have found you guys, I hope to meet other poly's for friendship and support. 

Just arrived
3 years ago
here, i have seriously thought about this for some years, but in freindships and relationships i am very comitted & loyal (even in ones that go "bad", like my marriage, for example). I have a close female friend and we trust and respect each other very much. So this had led me to think that it is possuble to maintain more than one intimate relationship but only under conditions of honesty, trust and respect for each other's individuality.
I also noticed that there have not been any posts on here for a very long time. Is that because evrybody lost interest?
Hi everybody.
3 years ago
 I'm glad to find Care 2 connect & especially this group. Being open & able to enjoy multiple open relationships/friendships are a reality for me & my girl friend. I'm an easy to get to know man that is looking forward to meeting everyone.
3 years ago
Hello everybody. My name is Tom. I'm a 53 year old guy that has been the third man in more than one relationship. I hope you all will enjoy my thoughts & posts in the future.
3 years ago
Hi everyone, I'm new to the group and am in a very loving and fulfilling poly relationship. I share a house with my partners, who are two bisexual guys who are also love each other. I haven't had many relationships before this one, and this is my first poly experience. I'm very content...and happy to see so many resources for people in "unconventional" relationships. Bright Blessings, Verbena
Anonymous
Hi - im new... (these posts are REALLY old)
3 years ago
    My name is Laura and I have been involved in more than one relationship for almost 2 years. I always thought that I would be monogamous but have found that I can love more than one man. Actually, I have been in a relationship. 
excuses excuses......:)
3 years ago
    Many of you have noticed the absense of myself and Marina. Personally we have had a few rough paches of fate slap us around, and not in the slap and tickle kind of way. We are recovering and will return as time permits. I will attempt to shelve more time towards this and other projects here on CARE 2, and assure you all that this is temporary.
Love and Hugs to you all
Michael W. 
New Here!
3 years ago

Hello All, my name is JeRee. My husband and I share an open marriage. We talked about it for a long time before we actually made any moves to live it. Now we have been "actively dating" others for about 3 years. The most important thing is honesty and trust...and we have both for each other.

We do keep our poly-ness in the closet where family is concerned. They are not nearly as openminded as I wish they were. For now it works for us...when the time is right it will change.

I can't wait to get to know everyone here.

JeRee

HI Im new to the group
3 years ago

First off I want to say thanks for adding me and Im hoping by joining that I can find the comfort that Im seeking. Now to explain my situation Im a 37 yr old female who is involved with an polyamorous man....we have been together for a little over  two yrs now. Our relationship started off  strange actually ,at the time I was in a relationship and on top of being in the swinging lifestyle..so when I met him ( my current bf) him and his gf at that time where looking for an extra female to fit into their relationship, and I came to understand that him and her both were married to someone else on top of their relationship, but I understood that so I agreed to meet them both. The more and more time went by me and him grew very close and fell in love all the while he told me that his current gf and him werent doing so good and . So to make a long story short me and him fell in love immensley and I was made to believe that his wife and gf were out of the picture. So as our relationship grew more and more intense I still doubted that his relationship was over and did find out he had been lieing to me about it the whole time and so he suggested that me and his other gf should except each other and love one another and have the respect that he was gonna have a relationship with the both of us...but the main thing ...I was to drop being a swinger cause he couldnt understand it...nor could I understand his polyamory relationship with 3 women. So when I decided I couldnt be involved in that ...again he swore to me that he would try to be monogamously with me and that things would get better....well I beleived and Ive tried to work with him on things but til this day he still denies being with his other gf and he doesnt wont to admit to me that he cant be any other way...so that leaves me out there not knowing how to handle this and feeling like im in a whirlwind.... I love him deeply and Im sure his other gf does as well but how does someone(like me) whose monogamous love an polyamorous person...not sure if it will ever work. I would love some help on this. Thanks

Kimmie

3 years ago
Hi there Im new to the group and Ive been wanting to post but just wasnt sure what all to say. First all I want to say that Im not really sure if the relationship really qualifies for the polyamorous lifestyle. Let me explain a little. Im currently in a relationship with someone who has claimed to be polyamorous. I met my current bf over 2 1/2 yrs ago via the internet. At that  time me and him were both in relationships on top of him being married and I was in the swinging lifestyle, but I was to meet him and his current gf at that time to see if the possibilities of having a 3some( me being the ever elusive bi-fem) but we all agreed. As time went on I found myself only talking with him and of course me and him became closer and eventually fell in love. I was under the assumption this emotionally detached marriage and his gf were done and of course my relationship at that time was not in good standings either but to make a long story short me and him feel in love. As a few months went on it was hard for me to grasp that him and his gf relationship was over cause just a few a months back when I first met them they were so in love as I was told. Of course the time went on I started to doubt him and started finding out that actually it wasnt over and so me and him both  keeping things a secret( IE...I kept the fact that I was still seeing my ex bf cause I knew he was still seeing his). All the while me and him both were in denial and not wanting to openly admit of each others wrong doing in the relationship. Now I know this might sound a bit strange but at that time I didnt worry about his marriage one bit, for reason I cant explain at that time. So the first part of 2006 he decided that he couldnt keep up an marriage and two gf's..he needed to put everything on the table  and so he confirmed my suspicions all along and so when he did that I came clean that Ive been seeing my ex as well. So then me and him both agreed to put everything out there even if it meant hurting the other one...we just needed to be 100% open and honest and stop hiding if this was going  to work. Then at time thats when he mentioned that he was Polyamorous and that he wanted me and his other gf to get along and we all could have this wonderful relationship ....but he made it clear that I could no longer be in the swinging lifestlye cause he couldnt  or nor would he ever understand that lifestyle. At first I thought I could do that and the more and more I thought about it...the more I resented him for asking me to give up something but that he wasnt willing  to give up anything in return. So when I decided I couldnt be a part of him and his other gf. Then he made it clear  that me and him would try to be together and see if he could live with and be in love with just one woman. You can say things worked for  a little while then  I started noticing things and hearing things that proved that he was in a full bore relationship and will never stop being with her and til this day I kept my end of the bargain which was not to have sex with my ex ...now of course Im still close friends with him and always will be( which me and him will always butt heads about) Til this day his other gf admits of her friendship/lover relationship with him but he still wants to deny and his answer is ..".because you still have an friendship with your ex  Im not gonna let go of mine" in other words. So my question is to the ones of this group who have been in a poly relationship....is this someone who is Poly is just claiming to be poly for the sake of covering his butt ...Im not sure, but I do know that he loves his gf and wife very much and would do anything for them...so Im lost here not sure what to think. Any suggestions would be great
good question for everyone to explore
3 years ago
Welcome to the group Southergal K. I have read your posts and hope the other people on this forum will answer your conserns. For the most part I see any relationship that involves changing the person you 'fell for' is not honest about why you got together. You mention that you were a swinger, and it sounds like he has been a polyamory for a while too. To enter either of these lifestyles and midcourse ask of your selves to become someone else is not good. Accepting honesty with trust. Asking either of you to be monogomous is just plain cruel and so not going to happen. Embrace each other for who you are and accept each other, (unless it is violent  to yourselves or others). If this is not possible at all give yourselves the honest ending needed. If you both need time or space take it now while you can salvage something good from this relationship.
Please dont let my voice be the last on this everyone has different views of what these relationships can be so comment I will watch more recent to make sure the posts get the air they need for all of us.
3 years ago
First off I want to apologize for the two post I only meant for one to be posted but  I just thought my first one didnt go thru... Now back on the subject at hand. Ive came to the reality just here in the last month or so that I know he will never change who he is...cause from what I understand of the Poly lifestyle its  how someone is..meaning he didnt choose to be this way(im assuming) he is this way....now of course with the swing lifestlye its an choice with a little bit of how open you are but mostly an choice though......Ive tried mentioning to him about time apart but he just cant seem to be away from me...Im all for time apart and letting ourselves heal and salvage whats left of the relationship..I think I wouldnt mind him being Poly if it wasnt for the fact that he puts restrictions on me...Is this a normal thing for the male of the relationship to put demands on the women that hes involved with? Again thanks for your input.
restrictions....depends on the mutual agreements
2 years ago
Hi. I have had a long hiatus, but am hoping to be back more often. I am going to reply to the newest post first, then look through your first post.

Poly comes in *many* flavors. i recomend reading at least the free articles
at polymatchmaker.com or joining for a while to talk to other polys on their ideas. there is a free membership and you can delete your account easily or just let it expire if you want to leave.

what you have does not sound healthy, even if your partner is  poly inclined. in poly the restractions in any relationship or group of relationships is agreed upon by all parties, weather it is open, hirarchical (primary/secondary) re:are we out to the kids, ect.

lots of comunication.
it does not sound like what you have is mutual.
regarding him never changing. you are probably right, regarding weather this is *just who he is* that depends. many polys have been this way before they had a vocabulary/lovestyle to identify with, and almost as many have been introduced to it through other means, and are still around by choice.

In poly as well as from what i know of swinging, and from what you said in your post there is diffrent levels of open, including closed relationships with 3-4 ect(in poly) partners insed of the monogomus dyad.
remeber this is just a samplling, and you will get as many diffrent defenitions of poly as there are pepole in the life.
newbie
2 years ago
Newbie here. I have been involved in one poly relationship and just exploring right now.
Intro.
2 years ago

Hi,

I have had two long time mono marriages are we are still friends. I have had one poly relationship before and am more at the poly curious side.

looking forward to like-minded lovers,

flora

Anonymous
2 years ago
Hello, all, I'm new here. Just got into a poly situation as the "other" lover. Looking for some resources for coping with the whole situation. I admit I have been in a couple of relationships with married ladies, so some of it is not totally new, but this one is a more open arrangement.
Thanks. Glad to be here.
2 years ago

I just have a few minutes to say hello  Marina and to all of the rest of you. I hope to get better aquianted with this group and to enjoy as well, meeting and getting to know the rest of you as well. For me, the art to being poly which most people have a great misunderstanding about is the fact that in the art of loving, it's not just the action of but the thoughts of love that many people still have great difficulty in understanding ( let alone coping with) Consepts of sex intermingling with emotional aspects of the being that we all are trying to be. Mixed with so many different aspects ( or in I guess this is just me) facets of what it is to be a human truly ( or at least aware of ) the art of loving as an expression in the art of living. Just accepting and expressing with no fear which is still a difficult thing in this society. regardless of gender or preferrence or dogma.  Still maintaining that somewhat elisabethan attitude while trying to florish in an idealistic victorian way. It's not an easy thing to do when most people do not understand what love is ( even in simplistic rudimental definition) which can and does make the journey at times a heavy and somewhat issolated one.

thats just my take on it

To all the new arrivals
2 years ago
welcome is the subject, and thank you for your introductions. Please remember that the Group is a moderated safe place to express how you feel and how you are doing. To anonymous I understand your trepidation, please look around and absorb the kindness and advice. I hope you will not remain anonymous much longer as we are all eager to be friends here.
Hi, Howdy, and Hello
2 years ago
I've been lurking for a bit, but am trying to become a bit more active on some of the Care2 groups I am a member of.

Just wanted to stop and say HI THERE



{{that's me in the middle}}



Newbie from Jacksonville, Florida
1 year ago

Wanted to introduce my self to all you wonderful people who seem to understand love is not a restriction but a gift to be shared.  Thanks for letting me join this group.  You can learn more about me on my care2 page or my blog http://rickinjaxfl.blogspot.com  Looking forward to one day meeting some of you.

Anonymous Polyamory
1 year ago

Just wanted to welcome all those who have joined anonymously and hope you can find some of the answers you are looking for without the fear of reprisal from those you love.  As a gay man, I have been in polyamorus relationships most of my adult life.  This seems natural to me as I grew up with 5 brothers and 2 sisters who I love (not always equally).  The love I have for them does not include sex though there was some experimentation as we aged (which I believe to be natural also).

It was quite natural for me to become polyamorus as an adult since this background, though confusing at times, taught me I could love more than one person at a time.  Adding sexual activity into the mix took a little longer as I had also been taught to look for that 'one and only' love of a lifetime. 

I have found, over the last 22 years, a joy in this lifestyle that I believe many have forsaken.  Nonetheless, it is not for me to judge how others live their live as long as I live mine honestly.

My family still has a difficult time understanding and, of course, my parents never accepted my lifestyle.  Still, they all continue to love me to the best of their ability.  I have discovered the main difficulty in having polyamorus relationships is not ignoring or causing any member of the relationship to feel left out either sexually or emotionally but most importantly emotionally. 

My lovers all know each other and have their own interpersonal dynamics that I must respect without trying to interfere.  This is the hardest thing for me because, of course, I want ideally everyone to be happy.  Still, we all love one another and that has made it possible to maintain these relationships for many years.

So, to the anonymous members as well as all others, I would like you to know long term polyamorus relationships are possible and beautiful.  I have been blessed and though am HIV+ am fortunate none of my partners ever became infected.  This now is the one thing I must face alone yet I am still surrounded  by their love.

Glad you are all here!!!!

Rick

"...smile a little, laugh a little, and sometimes cry a little....
1 year ago

thats the story, of thats the glory of Love." Thanks for joining us here Rick Ialso appreciate your comments on your life and the recognition of the anonymous polys. It is a fact that some view the life as not committed and I find this thinking alien. Some others are threatened by the thought of relationships threat don't fit their definition of "normal". Again I am too free thinking, and generous to understand how something so pure as love and caring can be a threat. Anyway, welcome.

Thanks for the warm welcom
1 year ago

Michael,

Thanks for your warm welcome and though I do not get to browse the group as much as I like, I appreciate your acknowledgement and acceptance.

Until we meet again, if ever,

Rick

New Member.....
1 year ago

I am a member here who has been poly all my life....but never able to find someone or a couple to accept me as a member of a poly family.....I guess the stigma of being a single poly male is one that will never go away....I do understand the rules and bounderies of the poly lifestyle, just cannot find anyone that understand that I do know the "rules".....Hope to hear from others who feel the same and those of you who might have some ideas on how to combat this issue
Woody

 
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