The previous thread had gotten really long, so I started a new one. I hope that's OK! Dolcean, that last post you wrote about a sinful life was beautiful! And, Kenneth, going waaay back to "I think, therefore I am" that statement was how the man who said it reasoned that he really did exist. As in, I can think, therefore I am in existence. Does that make a little more sense? At least, that's how I remember it.

Hi Frances. I know exactly what he meant and what he was saying.
He simply was viewing 'beingness' through the activity of 'thinkingness' and boiled all thinking down as far as he could, as minimalist as he could, to then apply it to 'beingness'.

They are two different things however. The being DOES the thinking. He is not the RESULT of thinking. Thinking is simply an activity one can do. The one behind the thinking, is the being (Being, You, etc.). That's why I said you might as well take ANY activity a being can do (which is an infinity of things) and make the same statement.."I love, therefore I am" "I hate, therefore I am" "I wash cars, therefore I am" "I see, therefore I am" on and on.

The person who made the statement was just throughly wrapped up and spun in on the idea that everything is thought, and that's all there is. So of course he would come to his conclusion.

On an entirely different subject, one about simplicity, and that most wise persons have said that all truths are basically simple, I came up with something that might illustrate that:

(Disregarding the limitations of words) let's start out with one word/sentence..."I". Simple. Says a lot. Stands by itself. You could say it is truth.
Now say "I am". Immediately, you have added something to the very first simplicity. Meaning "I" is simpler than "I am".
Now say "I am a human", which adds even more complexity to it.
Now say "I am a human which is composed of spirit, mind, and body".
Then "I am a human which is composed of spirit, mind, and body and whose name is Betty and I am married, work for the post office, like ice cream, don't like broccoli, etc., etc.
Notice how each addition takes you one step further and further away from the original simplicity.
One thing you can be sure of is that anything that is complex, complicated, hard to understand, incomprehensible, is full of additions and rather than putting you closer to truth, actually is going the wrong way in the opposite direction.

Thanks for starting this new thread, Frances...I was thinking about doing it a few days ago but, I was going to be irreverent and call it 2 Mammaries not your own.  

I'm kinda naughty that way.

Kenneth, my response to your post is...ooga chuckka.  

ohhh, that' s clever! they would be not your own mammaries from another lifetime, although they would be yours!

So, I feel a need to pull back to the original topic. Memories not your own. Now, please be kind, Kenneth, I know you like to dissect things and look at it from all angles and stuff, but just be nice, k?

Ok, I told this to Melissa before and wrote about it in my thread.

I remember being in a gang on the street in a big American city near the water, in a previous life. I think it was in the 40s or 50s. I was pretty high up in it and I remember ordering killings - uhh makes me shudder. Going along with it is a numb feeling. And when I first dreamed of it, and then went back into the memory in meditation, the sense I got was one like a Park Ranger taking down a rabid bear. It's unfortunate, but it has to be done. How she didn't see that she was making herself into the kind of person she did away with, I don't know. Maybe she knew at the back of her mind, and kept pushing it away. She got into prostitution - umm, providing for all the men -- as a means of protection. They left her alone if she gave in. She killed herself finally, in despair. It's a very dramatic and pathetic (in the old sense) existence. She started off good and how did she end up there? But that may be part of it. Maybe the tragic hero is a part I play in this life. And I had it come to fruition there. So now I can drop it!

Now, I have the task of unburdening myself from being critical (as that is the ultimate in criticism to have the death of someone you don't approve of), and forgiving myself for all that. And learn to forgive myself. That is the main thing. I see I wrote that twice! Forgive others too.

I think that's the reason we remember. For me, it's always to learn something about my present self, to become a better person because it shows me the EMOTIONAL ORIGIN of the problems or personality patterns I have. At least I always do learn about it when I look into it.

Maybe it's the process of looking into that is important: I seek and then I find! If you odn't have the memories, maybe you don't know where to seek, so it's hard to find what you need. But if you are given/give yourself the memories, it's a clue to your truth!

Yeah. Anyone else got memories you want to share? Thoughts, ideas? Peace, Rachel.

Hi Rachel. I got entirely everything you said and it was neat.

I'll pass on the 'any memories' anyone else has, or thoughts and ideas, as I don't want to hog all the posting. I've got way too many memories (past life) to go into them.

What I really want to give however is more Rodney Dangerfield:

"My wife told me she likes to talk after sex...she was calling from a motel!"
"She told me she likes to have sex in the back seat of our car. I said "But honey, I get tired of driving you and that other guy around!"
"But my wife, she's no great looker. Ther last time I saw a mouth like her's it had a hook in it!"
"I'm no great looker either. On Halloween when I open the front door, the kids give ME candy!"
"When I went to see my proctologist, he stuck his finger...in my mouth!"
"The other day I stuck my head out the car window, and I got arrested...for mooning!"
"When my doctor gave me a physical he said "You're in pretty bad shape". I said "Oh yeah? I want a second opinion." He said "Okay, you're ugly too!"
"Another time he gave me a physical he said, "Well, you're not in too bad shape but before you leave I want a stool sample, a urine sample, and a semen sample"...so I left him my underwear!"

Good night ladies and gentlemen, you've been great!

Astrologically speaking…

Aries motto is, “I am, therefore I am.”

Taurus, “I have, therefore I am.”

Gemini, “I think, therefore I am.”

Cancer, “I feel, therefore I am.”

Leo, “I will, therefore I am.”

Virgo, “I analyze, therefore I am.”

Libra, “I balance, therefore I am.”

Scorpio, ”I create/desire, therefore I am.”

Sagittarius, “I perceive, therefore I am.”

Capricorn, “I use, therefore I am.”

Aquarius, “I know, therefore I am.”

Pisces, “I believe, therefore I am.”

God, "I am, the I am."

In a past life I watched helplessly as men parachuting from airplanes were being shot in mid air. They never had a chance. It came to me in a dream. I was not shooting at them and I don't know what part I had to play in the drama, but it was sad and so unfair. Some people think that being a soldier is an honorable thing. But it's not. The only honorable thing is the soul thinking that it is serving a good purpose, protecting something. The military brainwashes recruits into thinking that there is an enemy trying to take away freedom and justice and the real enemy is the government full of political whores.

In a happier life, I was flapper. I don't remember a lot of details, but I know it was one of the most fun lives. I was a hotsy totsy hoofer and had a lot of friends. I was a scandal to my dapper parents, but I didn't care, I flapped, smoked ciggys, drank giggle water to get a wiggle on and partied for a good portion of that life.  I was the cat's meow...and the bee's knees. Meowza!

or . . . .

Aries, who is . . . I am, ain't I;
Taurus, who is . . . I Have, don't I;
Gemini, who is . . . I think, I think, I think so much I wish I could stop thinking;
Cancer, who is . . . I Feel, I feel, and there are no words that describe how I feel, ever;
Leo, who is . . . I will, or my will;
Virgo, who is . . . I analyse, I analyse;
Libra, who is . . . I balance, I balance, I balance between those who know and those who do not know;
Scorpio, who is . . . I desire, I desire, I desire, I desire, I desire...
Sagittarius, who is . . . I see, I see, I see so much in what I'm doing, I cannot finish what I'm doing;
Capricorn, who is . . . I use, I use, I use all of my experiences in order to survive.
Aquarius, who is . . . I know, I know . . . why do I know and no one around me knows what I know
Pisces, who is . . . I believe, I believe . . . or there is nothing for me to believe in.

 Some people's kids!  

Well, Kenneth started it....

'Thanks for the Mammaries!'

Hehe, hey, guess what all you folks??? I'm getting my blue car!!! Yay! Saturday morning, I was doing lots of inner work, and got believing that I have the right to want things, and then, once that was achieved, got to believing that it's OK to receive the things I want! So, then I went to the car dealership, and he showed me the cars he had, and asked if I wanted to see a black one. And I said, well, I've got my heart set on a blue one, so I think I better wait for my blue car. So then, he said, well, I think I've got the car for you! And he showed me an orange one, but the blue one just like it is coming on Monday or Tuesday, so I put down a deposit, and signed that I would take it if it drives just like the other one. And I think that really really soon, I'm going to have a blue car!!! yay!!! It's the very special blue that like too, that nourishes my soul!


Thank you for your encouragement, Melissa! I really appreciate it.


By the way, you have to understand, I've been looking at cars for almost a year now. I kept having to think about it, or finding something wrong with whatever car I tried, or thinking I'd find the right one later! I test drove the one he's selling me, a long time ago, and thought it was too small with my winter coat, because I'm going from a mid sized to a small car. But then the other ones I liked, I was trying to decide between, now in the summer, and then I looked at the dimensions and they were the same or smaller than the Rio! Anyway, now I tried it with my winter coat and it was not too small! I just had to be open to having it. It gets 50 miles to the (imperial) gallon. And it's a Class 1 car: the cheapest class and the class that gets the least breakdowns! Nice, eh? Pretty comfy but I will have to buy a cushion since it's not quite straight on. It's a Kia Rio.


So, as I was telling my parents today, now I have an apartment, and a car, and next I can get new glasses, and start making art a lot, and then I can get a real boyfriend! haha!


OK! Carry on, carry on! Love and light, Rachel.

Hey Ken, thanks, yeah. It's interesting isn't it? Mel, what is flapping, anyway? Sounds like you had fun! Does any of that fun loving life style carry over, ya think? Hehe, you guys should get a column in the paper and do horoscopes haha!

The new Fiat 500 has just come out in Europe and I saw the first 'live' one on Friday. Really sweet, good looking design . . . . .

"Omigod! Rachel is having (or about to have) fun in this life|! Almost seems too easy doesn't it! Your own apartment, your own car, a boyfriend, omigod! what's next! First comes love, then comes marriage, then comes a baby in a baby carriage...Omigod! Congratulations!



Can I answer your flapping question? It's what happens to guys wearing loose boxer shorts.


No, don't recall anything funny in any past lives, just incidents surrounding deaths, which normally aren't that funny of circumstances. But of course all the funny incidents would be there to recall. Funny incidents aren't aberrative, just the pain and unconsciousness and traumatic ones are.

No, I don't have a boyfriend, I just think that would be the next logical step in getting my life together Hehe. But yeah! It's awesome, thanks! Still waiting for the car to come to town. I think it'll be here tomorrow!

Hmmm. Didn't quite get your last couple lines, (although I got the flapping ones - har har. ) Kenneth, do you mean that only aberrative ones are remembered? Probably true. I only remember the difficult parts, myself. Except I remember being with a lot of other little kids, standing by the edge of a cliff, and a friendly man iwht a beard and overalls was helping us into the basket of a beautiful, enormous hot air balloon! That's all I remember about that.

Nice Car, Mr. Dolceanstar!!! Are ya buying one of those set of wheels? Yeah, a convertible. That would be fun!

love and light, Rachel

Hi Rachel. Any and all experiences of whatever type can be recalled (this is my reality on this). We record everything we experience all the time, continuously along a time track. You know, go back to yesterday at 8 am. and recall what you had to eat, what you saw, smelled, heard, all perceptions are recorded in the form of mental image pictures. Even everything when you're 'unconscious', though these are very hard to recall usually.

When I say this all is available for recall, doesn't mean that it all is, without improving one's ability to recall. Just like you can maybe only play jingle bells on a piano at first, if you improved your ability to play the piano, you could eventually play 'Fur Elise' by Beethoven.

Sometimes certain 'triggers' in everything around can restimulate these past incidents in greater or lesser degrees which can account for bits of past life incidents coming into view.

But all perceptions, attitudes, emotions, sensations, pain, mental, physical, traumatic, good, bad, and the ugly, whatever you experienced is available.
The mind can be viewed as sort of a 3-D full dimensional with all perceptions perpetual motion picture recording machine.

Remember, this is all MY personal reality on this, and I am not evaluating for anyone else regarding this. What is true for you is what you have observed yourself.

Yeah, I believe that too, that all is recorded, but it doesn't mean that everything comes up for you to actually remember consciously. That's what I was talking about. It seems and It hought you were implying, that people remember the troublesome lives. Not the happy ones - apart from Mel's flapper existence! That looks like a good time

YEah, re stimulate incidents, and sometimes for me it's like Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome: I get so scared, emotionally, I sometimes can't handle things. All those things come back yeah, and it feels like I'm there, but I am not!

It's a really good lifetime, this one. Must be for all of us a lifetime to learn to bring all these things together and improve because of all of them.

Peace, Rachel

Yay, Rachel! Blessings are falling upon you like the snowflakes are falling upon me!
 
A 'REAL' BOYFRIEND!? You mean you got tired of the plastic, blow up doll?  LOL
OK, don't kill me...just jokin'.
 
Yeah, the Roaring Twenties, ya hadda be there! Dancing the Charleston.
 
 

More Charleston...

hehe, pretty close! Actually that's close to the colour I wanted, but a little greener... I bought it!!! yay! I got my blue car!!! It's beautiful. It's not hte colour blue I was looking for thouogh, but I thought I had better buy it. It's really a lovely car. and clean! and good on gas, and blue!

Hehe, oh man, this is long. Here is the url for one that looks like it. Sapphire blue. It's a four door sedan. love, Rachel

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://images.automotive.com/color/300x187/2008/Kia/CAB80KIC031A0810.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.automotive.com/2008/101/kia/rio/sx-sedan/1564/photos/colors.html&h=231&w=308&sz=20&hl=en&start=3&usg=__qQYRa-v_7MGN5Z65F2IIproOKZQ=&tbnid=TEf5654c5wTNtM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=117&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dblue%2B2008%2BKia%2BRio%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den

Haha!!!! You guys have flapper kids in the United States? I've never heard of them in Canada! I wanna be a flapper! That looks like SO much fun!!! Rachel

That's a great shade of blue! And a nice looking car! I bet it gets good gas mileage. There goes Rachel! Vroom!  Don't let the freedom make you crazy!  If you get pulled over...and the cop asks, "Do you know how fast you were going?" Plead the 5th. Or...tell him that your memory is not your own.

Speaking of gas...wow, the price is falling so dramatically, it makes you wonder why all of a sudden now? I always figured it was Bush making hay while the sun shines, but it could be that since the neo-con repugnantcans have ruined our economy, they feel guilty and are being merciful......nah.

So what do you think of our new president?

I'm happy! Flap  Flap! The world just seems lighter and more positive.

Love & Peace

Mel, Obama is going to be extremely good for your country I think. He's decent, good, respectable, respectful, intelligent, has integrity, young, grounded, and the start of a new era in politics I think. Oh, and he is PRO-ENVIRONMENT unlike what's his name now, which is MY personal agenda.

 Yes, yes...OMG, YES!   The big O  We're an orgasmic nation right now! In spite of the economy, we're all walking around with these transcendent smiles. First on his agenda is over-turning the 'drilling' in sensitive areas, allowing scientific stem cell research, and more tax on the ones who can afford to give a little more so that the rest of us don't have to give up so much of what we work so hard to earn. From here on in...it will be real love-making.

Out with the old'screw em' and 'drill em', neanderthal, wannabe aristocrats...and in with a new and real democracy! I'm tired of 8 years of getting slam bammed without so much as a thank you, ma'am.

I was a bit hesitant about Rahm Emmanuel, the choice of Chief of Staff...but, after seeing him and his brothers on the Charlie Rose show, Rahm's got a wonderful sense of humor and personality. Biden's a jerk, though.

Sorry I've been gone for a while! I'm trying to catch up with my messages and groups, plus I'm still trying to get a job. My dad's a little under the weather today (he had dialysis this morning), so I'll be out tomorrow applying at some places.

I couldn't resist. I love that song! And that's a pretty good description of my memories. Sort of hazy, misty. The lifetime that comes back the most is the one in Germany, back in the first half of the 20th century. I can remember some time in Hungary, too. That comes back if I read something in Hungarian. I can't understand it (the words) but I can almost hear a man speaking to me in that language, almost like he's giving me directions. Michael Curtiz? That name popped into my head. Maybe he was a film director back then? Anybody ever heard of that name? This is a little strange for me, as I rarely recall concrete details. Usually, it's the day to day stuff, making breakfast, rocking a baby to sleep, checking into that hotel.

Hey guys~!! Well, here is a very reflective and serious post that I wrote for a new group called "Ascension" No, it's not a new band, unfortuantely, it's a group on Care2! How are things with everyone? Sending "Great New Job" vibes out to Miss Frances, and Heal the Kidneys, vibes to Miss Frances' Dad.

Michael, eh? Ever been to Germany? One day you should go, and intuitively pick where you're going to go, and see if y9ou recognize the hotel, and the place where you could have been as Michael Curtiz. Is that a German name? Sounds... mmm, not German, to me.. but I am in Canada and there are not a lot of Germans around here, so I 'm not familiar with their names so much...

Car is lovely. Not going too fast, but faster than I used to

And Obama, whoo hoo! is going to be AWEsome. I pray that is true!!!! I think he's for real. So, let's see and CONTRIBUTE to the Justice Flowing Down like the Waters and Righteousness like an everflowing stream..... as the prophet Amos once said.

Now, here's my write up on Edgar Cayce and Rachel MacDonald. I wrote it a lot more nervously than I write you guys... en tous cas, it is good so I thought you'd be interested.

love, Rachel
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HI everyone, well, this is about learning and sharing, so here goes! I was just reading a book called Many Mansions: The Edgar Cayce story on Reincarnation. by Gina Cerminara. I'm almost done it. Edgar Cayce was a man who channelled information about people's past lives or present lives and how to find healing or solve confusion or problems. He didn't agree with a lot of what was said at first, but he kept doing the readings and he and his friends listened and learned stuff from them about the nature of reality. His work is published in several books. You can find it in the library I am sure. Hundreds of people came to Cayce for readings and he was able to advise them. From all reports, those who followed the advice were wildly successful in finding resolution.


Cerminara relates a lot of cases of people whose present life situation is due to past wrongdoing, past goodness, the continuity of some expertise developed, or some connection made with a person or field that causes connection in the present life.


Specifically, in the cases of people who committed wrongdoings, she said they "meet their soul" in this life, by being in the same position or one comparable to the ones they had hurt in the past. Or they are in a position to have compassion on those they hurt before, and help them. And the book says, also that those who dream of doing something great, and they do little bits of what they want to accomplish, are not only setting a foundation for greatness in this life, but, were it not to happen in this life, they are setting a foundation for maybe a few centuries from now, when maybe they will reach their dreams. So, every little goodness we do now adds to the goodness we may attain in some future existence, as well as to our present reality, and as well as helping others, of course.


Anyway, I was going to write about how this relates to me, but I don't know you well enough yet to go into a lot of detail...! Let's just say that I remember some wrongdoings, and I see that as a teacher of refugees, I am being given an opportunity to give support and empower where once I took power. By forgiving and having compassion on myself, I can stop judging others and have better relationships. With the opportunity to pursue art and music and healing, I have a chance to extend what I have done in past times, but also bring love to this world in greater measure through these gifts. By having hard times and then friends who teach me to believe in myself, I can help those parts of me that were stuck in despair in past lives, and help others in similar situations. With surroundings to respect, and the opportunity to accept only loving treatment, I can demonstrate to myself and others how a child of God should be treated. And by being kind to others I can erase the unkindness of the past and set the stage for a life of greater joy in the future.


Cayce's source says that we should determine what our ideal is, and move toward that, not worrying about anything else. Fame, money and all the other outer things will come when we prove that we are willing to serve others. He recommends writing down what your ideal is in spiritual, physical and mental realms. I did this but also added the social realm. And make it clear in your heart and mind.


The readings also stress that we should do what we can with what we have at hand, and do it here and now, where and when we are. After all, we are where we need to be to learn what we need to learn. Once we learn that, we can do greater things. As Jesus said, you have been faithful in the little things, so I will entrust you with bigger things.


I find it interesting to read this book whose readings are from 1926 and 1925, before any of the other writings on energy following thought, the law of attraction and so on. I don't think those people are copying Cayce. I think they just have discovered the same truth, perhaps by different means.


Anyway, if you have any comments or experiences to share, please write them here!!! I'd love to know what others are thinking about this! Looking forward to hearing from you.


Peace and reflection, Rachel

Well, here comes opinionated me!

Very interesting about Cayce, whose been quite famous for decades.

I totally agree that if you don't reach something in one life, it just gets you that much closer to achieving it in the next or the next life. 80 years or so (the average life span) is so short that a lot of people just get going and then their bodies get old and it's over. 80 years is a drop in the bucket. Heck, just look at most of the big trees around you, many are twice that old and many live 300-400 yrs. Also, just look in an old cemetery and see how many generations are buried in the same place...come and gone...even before you were born (this life). Some animals live twice as long as people. Anyone can walk on top of billion yr. old rocks in different places on earth.

Anyway, I don't fully agree with 'karma' which is, I think, the idea that good things or bad things happen to people from previous lives, and that they're supposed to right wrongs from long ago, etc. Anything's possible but to me personally I don't know that the idea of 'karma' is true. I mean, even within one lifetime, lets say you don't get along well with your sister and you were mean to her for 20 years this lifetime. And you're both still alive this lifetime. Who necessarily, necessarily, now will patch up the wrongs before the end of their lives this lifetime. Some people do, some people don't. But it appears to me to be a self-determined decision, not something from some mystical influence called 'karma'.
And if you believe that everyone has lived millions of lifetimes, the amount of bad things done by anyone would be absolutely ridiculous in number to 'try to make up for'. I just don't think it works that way. You'd be spending every second going nuts trying to make up for everything bad you've ever done to anybody anywhere anytime in the last 76 trillion years or so. We'd all be ga-ga.

Personally, I don't believe there is some cosmic karma that punishes people for doing bad things. I believe the person themselves, because they are basically good, will cause themselves, knowingly or unknowingly, to put themselves down the chute eventually (cause themselves to fail) just as a way to stop themselves from doing more and more harm to others. They will sort of set it up that bad things will happen to them just to make sure.

And here's another thing I believe: the idea of 'hurting' another spirit is actually impossible. A spirit cannot be hurt except by agreeing that it can be hurt, that is by considering that it can be hurt. But it's just a consideration. It itself actually cannot be hurt. 'Hurting' others and being 'hurt' is simply a game. All rigged. A spirit is CAUSE and can only be effect if it considers it can be an effect. So it can't be 'hurt' or even have any effect on it except by agreement or consideration.

These things are true to me.

Very well said, Kenneth! I agree with your observation that we can put ourselves into situations to stop ourselves from doing more harm. That's what I'm fairly sure that I did this lifetime.








I can recall having been an actress in Germany, possibl with some time spent in Hungary of some similar area. Curtiz might have been someone with whom I worked. He must have had quite an impact on my life then for me to remember him now. My memories get jumbled and tend to overlap from time to time, so it's difficult to sort through them.

What does anyone believe about the 'spacing' of past lives.  Some people have told me things I know are not
true for me.  Some people seem to have a grip on several in each 150 years or so.  For me, whatever memories may be they are spaced further apart than that. 

But, Kenneth, can't there be great hurt when one spirit passes on and the other is left waiting......  well, that is confusing for me right now.... but there has been a great deal of hurt.  I think we are waiting for another chance.

Prayers for your dad, Frances.  And for you to get the perfect job that will bring peace and happiness to your soul. I've just been asked to help train new employees, and it's something that I've always wanted to try, so I'm pretty excited about that opportunity.

Kenneth, karma is a Hindi word, for actions. It also is associated with a wheel, being that actions have a cyclic or connected manner. Nothing mysterious about it. And if you are familiar with the concept that consciousness is like a tapestry, woven so that  each thread touches another, and that when viewed from a greater distance shows a large beautiful fabric of intricate design. You might be able to see how each thread contributes to the whole. Each experience leads to spiritual growth...either positive or negative. It's not something that MAKES you do what you do...it's the name for what you do that causes the effect of your experience.

Cause and effect. Whatsoever a man soweth, that he shall also reap. For each action there is an equal and opposite reaction. There are a lot ways to describe karma, but it is essentially the belief that your present circumstances are the product of previous actions, and what you do today will affect what happens tomorrow. Karma is also associated with past lives -- each time you're reborn, the energies from your previous lives influence the conditions of your current life.

Everything that you do has an effect. If you forget to feed the dog, he'll follow you around or whimper, maybe even chew up your favorite shoes. If you forget to let him outside, he'll leave a little present for you to clean up.

That's simplified. But still...karma just is...it's a growing process. Not all trees grow to be 3 or 4 hundred years old. Some have burned away, some have died from lack of water or sunlight. The system really IS as much under the law of karma as it is gravity. Everything orbits around the core of it's essence. Each core is a vital element in the core of the greater entity. Each dimension experienced allows another level of understanding. It's an eternal process.

Excerpt from Edgar Cayce's trance state...

                        http://all-ez.com/cosmic.htm

900-295 - for, as is seen, the entity is gaining, little by little, that information as has been given to the entity as respecting the differentiation between a correlation of the body conscious mind, or of the body mind, or the mentality of the entity, and that as may be experienced by the full correlation of all experiences of a cosmic consciousness of the entity through that of the subconscious forces, and in the full subconscious forces may be seen the full concentrated effort, action, or activity of the ENTITY in its entirety - though, as is seen and experienced by the entity by the study of same, the subconscious forces of an entity are influenced and directed, or made a whole of that of the development, or of the body mental mind's experiences - yet the full truth of EVERY entity's force is manifested in the cosmic force in its correlation of all conditions made into one, which becomes as the truth, and which may be seen in the various manifestations of the conditions as have been experienced by this entity.

That's karma...Kenneth. Why fight it?   What else makes any sense?

Ya doesn't has ta calls it karma...ya kin calls it cause and effect.

Jesus showed the WAY to get beyond the wrathful entities that we'll encounter during the 'ascension' or resurrection...whatever you want to call leaving the body, or death. Those wrathful deities are our own demons created by our negative actions, and can be dispelled by correct living...(as in the two greatest commandments, to love God with all of your heart...and to love your neighbor. Who could even be an enemy) or by calling on His (Jesus) name for guidance.

So remember, when you find yourself in a dark and frightening situation, if you feel alone, just ask Jesus to help. He is God's Word, the promise, which is the light of the world. 

I agree -- at least with that last bit

I recently read in a book, "karma is a buzz word in Sanskrit that means baggage." I thought that was so correct and succinct. lol! Have a good night. I will reply more profoundly some other time love, Rachel.

Hi Jody, you must be new here (at least in posting). Interesting topic group isn't it? I wouldn't worry about what anyone else says about their past lives or some new label (that I've never heard of before) of 'spacing'. Who cares? If someone, or a number of people, can recall a number of past lives at 150 yr. intervals, so what? Recalling past lives isn't a test or a clique or belonging to some label called the 'past life spacers'. What you recall is what you recall.
Jody, I never said there can't be 'hurt'. I said it's a consideration. If you consider there is such a thing as 'hurt' then it can sure hurt! But you have to consider such a thing 'hurts' to begin with before it can hurt. Which makes it as 'real' as anything gets.

Mel, I don't even want to get into discussing Jesus. He certainly is just one of many big beings of various religions. I don't agree that 'every action has an equal and opposite reaction'. That may be true regarding physical universe laws, but neither I nor you are physical.

And 'cause and effect' are also components of the physical universe. A spirit is CAUSE, is not effect. He creates effects. A spirit can cause something and doesn't necessarily have to be the effect of it whatsoever. He CAN be by agreeing to be, or considering that he is, but that's it. This is hard to grasp if all one does is keep relating everything to physical universe laws. I, and you, are NOT physical universe.

I agree on that, Kenneth. We are pure energy. But you can't deny what we experience, as in Judy's pain over loss, even though it is a state of consciousness. And what we experience IS a state of dimensional existence. There IS a physical plane...but it is a temporary condition.

I suppose you don't want to discuss the Buddha either...?

Maybe, Krsna? Because you agree with His statement about not being able to hurt anything. Krsna told Arjuna that he wouldn't actually be killing his demonic relatives on the battlefield of Kurukshetra, because they are spirit.

So, it's all a game? 

Hey, Replying to Kenneth here. Yeah, that makes sense what you wrote a little bit back there. About Karma, you said that people, in a desire to come back to wholeness, will cause things to happen so that they can recognize their faults adn correct them. Essentially that is what you said, right? If so, i agree. I think that is what the doctrine of karma means, not that something external does it to you, but that, by virtue of our nature as spirtiual beings, we do that; ie. that is how things work.

Judy, I think that we can feel hurt as humans and that maybe spirits can get mired in that as well for awhile on the other side. Are you saying that you are feeling this right now with the spirit of a soul mate maybe? I think maybe that can happen. But you don't have to be sorrowful about it forever. Time will come that you'll be together again. Try to remember the things you are grateful for, that you had that time together.

I my father once knew a guy who, when he regressed to one life time, was killed on a battlefield and he thought everything was sorrow and loss, but then he rose from his body and felt that actually, it was ok, that it was not all lost and life went on. We are really all connected through love and the spiritual force that is life. We're not really hurt, in the long run. As I keep reminding myself, even pain can't hurt the true me.

We are not our pain. We are not anger. Maybe we feel anger for a time, but we don't have to let it become us. We don't have to let our pain become us. If we choose to forgive or release pain and claim gratitude and joy, we can let that pain go, and have freedom, even if we are parted from a loved one. Not that it's easy, but it is possible. We're never separated really.

No one can take power over us, unless we grant it to them. A person can hurt our body and cut us down, but if we keep true to who we are inside, we keep our power to be ourselves. There was a Baha'i woman, Tahirih, who stood up for women's rights. But they arrested her and beat her and killed her, and before she was killed, she said, "You can kill me as soon as you like, but you will never stop the emancipation of woman!" That is what I mean by not losing your power.

Sometimes though, when we face challenges, we have to throw off parts of ourselves so the rest can survive. Then we hvae to go back and get those parts through soul retrieval.

Oh, right, spacing of lives. I would say that we live in a non linear universe, and that, if we wanted, we could choose to be born at any time in history. This is based on a vision my Dad had when he was about 6 years old. I am coming to believe we can even have concurrent lives. So if your friends remembered several in 150 year intervals, that interval may be what is significant to them. I think you can remember millions of years back, and maybe even itno the future. but I haven't gotten my m;ind round that yet. Mmm, cold fingers bad typing. must eat and turn on my heater!!!

Peace all, Rachel.

PS. I think we should talk about religion, but not in a prescriptive way, just in a descriptive way where we say this is good for "me" and not saying that YOU should do it this way. But this is good for ME, and this is good for my FRIEND over there, and What is good for YOU??? In keeping with that, I do, personally, ask Christ for help when I am in need. That's why I agreed with Mel on that. Hey Mel, how are things, Lady?

(Here's a quote about the Baha'i woman I mentioned: "Tahirih was an early follower of the Bab, who came in 1844 to Persia to announce the coming of Baha'u'llah. She was a woman of intellect and beauty, as well as an esteemed poet. In spite of the restrictions placed on Persian women during those times, she managed to get an education and she was a devoted follower of the new revelation brought by the Bab and Baha'u'llah. She did some very daring things on behalf of women and so is considered one of the first world suffragettes. At one point she deliberately appeared in public without her veil covering her face to proclaim the equality of women. She was arrested and imprisoned and eventually put to death because of her beliefs. But her final words before her execution were ''You may put me to death as soon as you like, but you will never stop the emancipation of women." ")

That quote is from: http://www.bahaindex.com/en/news/1-general-news/3019-woman-loves-diversity-of-bahai-faith

Interesting way to word it Rachel, when you posted: "Sometimes though, when we face challenges, we have to throw off parts of ourselves so the rest can survive. Then we have to go back and get those parts through soul retrieval."

Would you go into a little more detail about the 'throw off parts of ourselves so the rest can survive'? And then the 'going back to get those parts through soul retrieval', what do you mean by this statement?

Sorry, if I sounded bossy about asking for the help of Jesus...

I think that feeling pain and even crying over physical loss of a loved one is a way to heal. Mourning is almost always a vital period for acknowledging the importance that the individual held in your life and it's got to be a good feeling for the one who moved on to know how loved and missed they will be to us.

The Catholics light candles and say prayers to guide the soul out of purgatory if they happen to be without direction. And just as any traveler knows...having a map or a guide to get you quickly to where you want to be is of utmost importance...and Jesus fills that role. In my opinion.

Hey Rachel, everythings fine and dandy here...thanks for asking. When ya coming down to take me for a ride in your car, car? 

Rachel, you go girl!
What you said "my father once knew a guy who, when he regressed to one life time, was killed on a battlefield and he thought everything was sorrow and loss, but then he rose from his body and felt that actually, it was ok, that it was not all lost and life went on. We are really all connected through love and the spiritual force that is life. We're not really hurt, in the long run. As I keep reminding myself, even pain can't hurt the true me."

"We are not our pain. We are not anger."

"No one can take power over us, unless we grant it to them. A person can hurt our body and cut us down, but if we keep true to who we are inside, we keep our power to be ourselves."

Right on, spot on! I certainly agree with all this. But even further than that, I believe that you don't even have to DO anything to BE this way, you just ARE. Meaning, you don't have to try, or keep having to think a certain way etc. You aren't your emotions, they emanate from you. You aren't your body. You go on, bodies come and go. (more technically you just ARE, bodies come and go).

Mel, you said "But you can't deny what we experience, as in Judy's pain over loss". I didn't deny one iota that pain and loss aren't real (as real as anything gets). Certainly things can hurt and you can feel loss. There's an infinity of things you can feel. It's just that BACK of all that is YOU feeling these things because you CONSIDER that you can. It's hard to put a grasp on you and I who are BACK of all these things when we are not a thing ourselves. (we keep looking at THINGS. We are not a thing, we are the creator of things.)

I love Jesus and Buddha and Krishna all the rest of those guys. Of course you know Jesus said (and I am paraphrasing here) that each one of us could do anything he could do...and more!

As for concurrent lives Rachel, well anything's possible, but remember KNOWING is the key word to all of this. You'd have to KNOW (not just think, or believe, or conceive) that you indeed were running a concurrent life with this current one you have of the particular body you possess currently. I'm thinking that if a person is confused at all about the one current lifetime he's in, it might be a stretch to then know he was running 2 or 3 other lives concurrently. But KNOW is the key word. Anybody can surmise or think anything. What does he KNOW is the important thing.

Hugs (I don't normally put this in, since I'm a guy, but I can see it's a good way to avoid overheating things)

On the subject of losing a past soul mate I have knowledge of that. I even wrote poems about it when I was a teenager. I'll say she and I had one of those truly great affinities/loves and relationship and bond that only happen once in a long while (at least with me). You know the kind found in a truly great love story. It hardly gets any better or greater. (On a scale of 1-10 it would be a 9.9. Every lifetime since maybe a 6 or 7 the highest I've had.) But then you both die and lose track of one another. Have I met her since? No. Will I this lifetime? Don't think so. But maybe some time. A lot can happen between lives and in the interim commotion of all sorts of stuff.

what is the interim commotion ? I am not aware of the details therof PEace, blessings, Rachel

Mel quoted me, so I'm goign to quote her quoting me, just for fun!

She wrote (and I quote): "Interesting way to word it Rachel, when you posted: "Sometimes though, when we face challenges, we have to throw off parts of ourselves so the rest can survive. Then we have to go back and get those parts through soul retrieval."


Would you go into a little more detail about the 'throw off parts of ourselves so the rest can survive'? And then the 'going back to get those parts through soul retrieval', what do you mean by this statement?
"

OK, so this is not an original idea. But once I heard it, it seemed to mesh with my experience. It seems that when we go through some bad experience, ok, let's say, um....being abused as a child. OK, thankfully, I don't have much experience in this, in this life, but anyway... So, the child, at a deep level knows his or her worth, and would like to stand up and say no! or run away, or something. But because the child is little and doesn't have many resources or knowledge of his/her rights, or is afraid to be punished for speaking up, the child stays quiet, and puts up with the abuse, even may participate, even though he/she doesn't like it.

The part that would like to react strongly, konk someone on the head, yell or quietly stand up for their own dignity, is disabled, or put on hold. That's where you get people saying, "OK, I'll have peppers on my salad," (thinking, "because you were kind enough to ask,") even though they know they'll get a stomach ache later. Or the people who end up getting cheated all the time, or in abusive relationships. It's because that little part remains dormant in the person for awhile.

It stays dormant, that is, until the older, safe aspect of the person goes and finds and discovers that part again, and by various methods, talks to it and helps it to see that the trauma is over and it can come out again and be safe and honoured. Then it is reintegrated into the personality and the person is once again able to say, "No, thank you! I don't want peppers in my salad!" or "I deserve to eat more than once a day! Screw you, I'm running away to a shelter!" as my friend just did today. God bless her.

Oh, my God. Thank God. She was being treated so badly by her family. Finally she got the courage to leave, so the social workers found a place for her in a shelter, just about 3 hours ago. I'm so grateful I've been able to help her. I didn't realise how much it was upsetting me, till just now. What an enormous relief. It's the first step. Now we'll need to help her get a permanent place to live, and some supplies. She just has the clothes on her back and her parents told her if she left she would have to leave her clothes. I set her straight on that one - she has her own money. The fact that they steal it doesn't make it theirs! But I put it more gently


Soul retrieval is a shamanic practice that involves singing and using rattles and meditating to bring back lost parts of your soul. I have a couple good books on soul retrieval. I'll get them for you later - the titles I mean. Kinda far to bring them... although if you come for a visit, you can read them, AND I'll take ya for a ride in my new blue car

Well my Mom just called and she is feeding me supper! Wow, I'm not sure I want to go out in this weather! The wind is wild and the snow is wet and driving. It must be slippery underfoot.

Well see you all later,

hugs (hey I'm a woman, but guys can hug too - gay or straight! All hugs are welcome Gay and straight guys, both give very good hugs, I find ) and love to all. Rachel

PS. Well, except those that are scared to get too close! But that is for another time!

Ken! Did your soulmate die? Or were you just kids and you moved away from each other? I understand that we are not 'things' in the sense that we think of ourselves...I wonder, do you think like Dolcean, that life is based on a hologram? At least, I think that he thinks that.

Rachel, I think that I get it, a soul who hides it's true identity in order to accept actions that will teach a soul lesson, and can then come back after completing the challenging experience to bask in a rewarding life of ease?

Too bad about your friend, and the misunderstanding between her and her parents. I hope they can work things out...but maybe it's time for the bird to leave the nest.

One day my older, little birds will leave me...maybe, then I'll adopt some homeless children. I have a big house with 4 bedrooms and an attic and basement that could be converted to bedrooms. I could take in 4 or 5 children. I think that I'd enjoy that a lot, as long as the kids didn't have deep psychological problems.

Yes my soulmate did dieth. And so did I dieth. Meaning we both met in one lifetime together and we both then did dieth (or should I say our bodies dieth). But of course she's not the only 'soulmate' I've had in so many lifetimes. Let's not get stuck on any one thing shall we!

(as a sidepoint I see how the idea of 'scarcity' really gets spirits nervous. Meaning if you think there's only ONE or too few 'soulmates' or 'money' or 'jobs' or years to live or bodies to inhabit or planets to live on etc. spirits can get really concerned. Of course it's only their consideration that there's a scarcity of these things. It's a game, the game that something is valuable if it is scarce and not as valuable if it is abundant.)


No Laura, I do not think that life is based on a hologram!


About your other question I just meant all the various things that can happen between living different lifetimes. You know, like if you were a 90 lb. weakling one life and the president the next and then a cannibal in the next, obviously there's a lot of different and varying circumstances since the current life and the one where you had your magnificent 'soulmate'.

And I don't even want to comment on somebody shaking rattles for 'soul retrieval'! LOL



Hugs, kisses, fond embraces, smooches, pecks, warm touches, light rubbing, whispery cooing, and all that stuff from this one heck of a red-blooded, macho, rugged, outdoorsy, handsome in a rough way, Canadian male.

Do you have beer and chips while watching Hockey Night in Canada with your buddies? huh, huh, do ya?

Hi Everyone,
Yes, I am new to the group, and have been learning SO much about this subject, in which I always believed, in the past 4 or 5 years.  I find it amazing that the thread runs so true with so many people and beliefs, the basic thread I mean .
OK - I've been busy and way behind in email and groups, but
will be back soon to finish reading your posts.  SOON  !!

Ken, I have to say, it seems disrespectful for you to say you're not going to comment on something and then laugh at it, put it in quotes as if mocking or deriding an idea. It is not a very tolerant approach. There are, as you know, way more things in heaven and earth than are dreampt of in our philosophies! And using rattles and retrieving parts of the soul that have been lost is a time-honoured, useful and effective technique.

**The fact that you have not experienced it does not give you the right to put it down.**

Some people find a lot of healing through that method, and you do not contribute to healing when you insult something that intimate to an individual. Now, I would hope that the goal of everyone on this forum is to bring more goodness into the world. I don't think the approach you took is bringing much goodwill. So, please don't do it again. Yeah, in layman's terms, ya pissed me off.

Sincerely, Rachel.

Hi Mel, You wrote:


"Rachel, I think that I get it, a soul who hides it's true identity in order to accept actions that will teach a soul lesson, and can then come back after completing the challenging experience to bask in a rewarding life of ease?"



Well, I would agree up until the word "lesson." I don't think it entails coming back to have a life of ease. It's pretty challenging trying to reintegrate aspects of yourself that you have abandoned. It's less a deep spiritual thing than a shallow one. I mean, it's about your spirit that's specific to incarnation, not the essential self that is who you truly are. Abandoning parts of yourself is not a love-based action as your analysis would take it. It's a fear-based action that closes off parts of you... but I suppose in a way, it is love-based, since it enables you to survive harsh experiences.



My friend... thanks for your concern, but it's not a misunderstanding. They are not her real parents, and they raised her as a slave. They sent their other kids to school but forced her to stay home and take care of the other kids and do all the housework, carrying water on her back from the top of the mountain, etc. while the others went out to play. Up till yesterday she was still doing all the housework and not allowed to have any friends or go anywhere without her parents apart from school. The woman is 33. Yesterday she asked the social worker to take her to a shelter, and I'm so proud of her. She's doing really well!



Have a good night. May love and healing permeate every painful aspect of existence. Rachel.

Rachel, hmmm. I'm surprised to hear it upset you so much about my laughing about shamans shaking rattles to retrieve souls. Sorry I pissed you off. I've many times stated in my posts that if something is true for you then it is true and that's all there is to it. So I was a little too inconsiderate about what is true for me and what is true for you there.

I take it you've had some experience personally with this (shamans)? You can't be this upset if it's just something that others have experienced. There are a whole lot of ideas put forward by human beings. I could state a whole bunch of beliefs that you would probably laugh spontaneously at, then probably quickly stem it because it wasn't nice or considerate of you. Thousands of old superstitions (I'm not including the shaman topic in this) and myths like turning around 3 times backwards while pinching a frog's bum and muttering a chant for conceiving a baby or something. So what was true for someone may be funny to someone else. That's it. No offense intended.

Glad that you visit and participate, Judy. Sounds like you have a busy life. Hurry back! Tell us what you know about your past lives. Frances spent some life times in Germany.

Now, Kenneth! How could you insult me like that? What's wrong with pinching a frogs bum? How else are you supposed to tell if it's my prince soulmate? Kissing toads doesn't work, but the bum pinching ALWAYS gets me from point A to Z in .3 seconds!

Oh, BTW...who's Laura? I swear...yooze guys is messin' with my mind.  But, that's ok...it feels good, and all the "Hugs, kisses, fond embraces, smooches, pecks, warm touches, light rubbing, whispery cooing, and all that stuff from this one heck of a red-blooded, macho, rugged, outdoorsy, handsome in a rough way, Canadian male." Kinda got me aroused.             My bad.

Rachel!  Hon, ya can't take things so seriously...remember, we're just spirits having a physical experience.  

The Zen dog accepts everythingand fears nothing.

Namaste

Lol Mel, I did see that I called you Laura the other day and I was going to change it but I had been chastiseth and wasn't in the mood to linger. She's actually someone in another group that I have been having berry interesting discusses wit.

Where do you get those hilarious pics?

In answer to your question Rachel "Do you have beer and chips while watching Hockey Night in Canada with your buddies? huh, huh, do ya"
No, we sit around drinking Tim Horton's coffee and throwing timbits at all the eskimos riding all the polar bears.

yeah, I guess so, Melissa. It just gets old when a lot of people put down your beliefs and then someone who's supposed to be your friend makes fun of them too. A lifetime of not belonging is eating into me and I don't like it.

As for my friend... I hope you didn't mean to not take that seriously. She was really in a bad state and it's important not to ignore those things.

Yes, Ken, I do know shamans, I consider myself a shaman of sorts, but I know people who have been properly trained and recognized as shamans in their communities. I guess it does seem funny. when you think of it. The first time I heard about the rattles, I couldn't figure out how that would work, but it does! I accept your non-intention to offend. Thanks. You are very politically incorrect, aren't you? Holy smokes man!

Well, anyway, I know you're making that up about the polar bears, because, at least where I come from, everyone knows humans don't eat timbits! Here we feed them to the polar bears!! I don't know why you guys are eating bear food. They'll come up to the back of our igloo and snuffle at the door till we come out and give them some. that's only in the winter though. When it's summer, they crack the ice on the lake and a catch salmon! Sometimes when they come out they'll put on a bunnyhug to keep warm. Our igloos don't have central heating so they need some good parkas and toques. Don't your polar bears do that? Maybe you have a different species there. Anyway, we don't have to ride the polar bears here, because we have cars. My blue one is a good example! You can plug them in if it gets too cold. The cords sometimes get tangled at the intersections so in the winter you have to leave about 45 minutes early to get to work in case they have to call in the DT (Detangle Team).

Hee hee hee. Have a good day. Rachel.

Hey Rachel, glad to see you back again. Hey Rachel, we're ALL pissed off a lot on this planet!

Yes, I guess I'm maybe a bit politically incorrect but I don't think about it. I don't think or speak or act much along the lines of 'now I'm supposed to' do this or don't do that or say this or not say that etc. Anybody who knows me knows I basically say what I think, say how I feel, and with certainty and that's about it. But I will withold things sometimes if it would be harmful to someome's feelings. Plus you have to temper it sometimes since there is such a thing as good manners and bad manners and we do have to all get along.

As a sidepoint, I had to reach several 'plateaus' of having me personally insulted, character assassination, etc. through the last 10 yrs. or so just because I decided to stand up for nature. I've had tons of letters printed through the years in various newspapers and magazines to protect some natural area, or stand up against development, or wildlife etc. and you wouldn't believe what others would call me, there in public print--- Kenneth Lapointe is a this, is a that, a 'tree-hugger', 'environmentalist wacko', 'do-gooder' (and this same guy said 'do-gooders' are worse than murderers, criminals etc.), I'm a 'smug, self-righteous man', 'not many things in the world scare me but the Kenneth Lapointes do'---(LOL!)--- all this just because I was standing up for something! I found it amazing, fascinating, and I had to really withold myself from taking it personally, withold myself from ripping their head off (figuratively, not literally), so as I say I had to reach a higher and higher plateau each time with the increasing ferocity of the slurs coming my way. But I soon understood what they were doing---it was simply their tactic of trying to stop the other guy, trying to make him shut up, trying to get him to give up, back down, go away, etc. Once I saw that, it's nothing to me now. I mean, none of these people even knew me personally. I was just a name on a letter to the editor.

Rachel, I thought you were American (wrong) but see you're one of us (Canadians) so I couldn't fool you with the timbits and eskimos and polar bears thing.
Oh Mel...(wink, wink)...did you know we have woolly mammoth rodeos in Saskatchewan every November?

 Canadians do some very unusual things...aren't woolly mammoths those hairy elephants from the pre-histerical age? I thought they were extinctual. But I've heard stories about what goes on in the land on top. That's why passports are so expensive, they don't want us 'innocent' US peeps going up there and finding out what woolly fun goes on in Canada, cause we'd all be moving up there wit yooze guys...ridin' woolly beasts and tossin' timbutts around...rubbin noses and other outcropped appendages. whoo, I'm feelin' faint...

Yeah, I know what you mean, Kenneth...about the diatribe that goes on after a letter to the editor. I once wrote one, that the Christians had better get out their dusty old Bibles and read up on the 10 commandments...what part of thou shalt not kill is so freakin' hard to understand? All the right wing, religious, war-mongering fanatics came out from under their holy rolls and claimed that killing was allowed, as long as it's to defend yourself, your country and your religion against the uh...for lack of a better word...infidels.    WHERE did God EVER say that it was OK to kill?  

Rachel, everything seems so personal when we take it that way. I know that abuse is a horrible situation, and I suppose that I've experienced a bit of it myself...marital and domestic, a little bit of mental abuse even...but not sexual abuse...except when the ex hubby withheld it if I was, like makin' a monthly mess, or something. (He must have been Zoroastrian)     And I didn't get THAT upset when Kenneth stated...no comment about Jesus. But did you see how I worked it out of him that he DOES admire those guys?  Don't I deserve a pat on the back?

Kenneth, you can pinch my bum...if ya really want to...  I promise I won't croak. But watch out for my lightening quick, long tongue.

Oh, and about those cute icons...click on the smiling, yellow face up on the top of the Reply to Topic box. Ye hah! Toon time! 

Talkin' about feeling left out, did you see what Kenneth posted?

Rachel, I thought you were American (wrong) but see you're one of us. (Canadians)

You're in! I'm out.                      

    Kenneth

You like being out on a limb, you ol' tree hugger, you.

Mel, I don't have any yellow smiley icon on the top of my reply to topic box; it just says Reply to Topic and a Subject: box.
Waaahhh!

I suppose you think just because we use pine cones to vote with that we're weird eh? Eh? Eh? Eh? Eh? Eh? Eh?

You can only go up to Grade Nine in the Canadian school system here. Is that so weird? We also have no Navy because we're a landlocked country. We only got electric lighting in parliament about 15 yrs. ago. Our air force only has propeller-driven airplanes. We used to be on a 23 hr. clock until 3 years ago when we decided to change to the 24 hr. one like the U.S. Our last prime minister was Chief Gordon Lightfoot. We're not SO weird are we? Eh?

OK! I've been trying to post since Saturday, and it never went through! Luckily, I copied and pasted what I wrote and saved it. So here it is:



Sheesh, I was gone for a few days (*trying* to catch up on my unread messages) and look at what I missed! I'm getting caught up with group discussions now, so I'll be dropping in here over the next couple of days! Hmmm . . . . That feels like a metaphor for my soul. You know, I'm dropping in on the physical/earthly plane to catch up with other souls.




I finally found some concrete info on that lifetime in Germany! I stumbled on a photo online that I swear is the face I've seen looking back at me in the mirror when I've regressed or dreamt of that time. Claire Lotto. She was married to Carl de Vogt, another actor during the Weimar Republic. He was a soldier during the Great War. There is not much online about them, but you don't know how it makes me feel to have found that! And there was a film director - Hungarian - whose (americanized) name was Michael Curtiz, who worked with them. It's just so . . . . I don't know. I can't find the right words for it.

Cool! Frances, I was a Maggie in a past life. It was a dark life for me, and she's still a part of me in this life...  she has actually grown older with me, and is now nicely reformed . She was the sexual strumpet in my teenage years who urged me into situations where my normally shy, backward self would never otherwise go. She was a liar and a sneak, a heart breaker...and heart broken. Enough about her.

I think that you've put a face to your past life is awesome! That's the word to describe it, Maggie/Francy...awesome! Can you post her picture? We'd love to see it.

Care2 has been so sluggish for me that I'm so impatient with it, kinda feels like I'm on dial up when I'm paying for high-speed internet.  

Try clicking on advanced editor for the tool bar to pop. I always loved Gordon Lightfoot! He was your last prime minister? Wow!
 
'Sundown' was one of my favorite songs. How's that go?
 
I can see her lyin back in her satin dress
In a room where ya do what ya dont confess
Sundown ya better take care
If I find you been creepin round my back stairs
Sundown ya better take care
If I find you been creepin round my back stairs
Shes been lookin like a queen in a sailors dream
And she dont always say what she really means
Sometimes I think its a shame
When I get feelin better when Im feelin no pain
Sometimes I think its a shame
When I get feelin better when Im feelin no pain
I can picture every move that a man could make
Getting lost in her lovin is your first mistake
Sundown ya better take care
If I find you been creepin round my back stairs
Sometimes I think its a sin
When I feel like Im winnin when Im losin again
I can see her lookin fast in her faded jeans
Shes a hard lovin woman, got me feelin mean
Sometimes I think its a shame
When I get feelin better when Im feelin no pain
Sundown ya better take care
If I find you been creepin round my back stairs
Sundown ya better take care
If I find you been creepin round my back stairs
Sometimes I think its a sin
When I feel like Im winnin when Im losin again
 
 
 

Frances Margaret, what is Erisian/Discordian? (from your profile)
Yes that is neat about your German past life. Do you actually see a face in the mirror when you look sometimes?
I know when I was about 8 or so, if I stared in the mirror long enough my face would grow all hairy, covered in black hair, which I took to be a caveman from when obviously I was a caveman once upon a time. I also think this caveman (me) would look at his face in a pool of water and was transfixed by seeing his own face (not being too intelligent and easily amused). There weren't any mirrors around so water was the only way you could see your own face. So later of course it sort of restimulated this when as a kid I would stare at my face in a real mirror and this hairy caveman face would just take over my own face. Didn't scare me, instead I thought it was pretty neat. (that's the only face I ever saw other than my own this life in a mirror, though I do remember looking at my body in the mirror around the same age and thinking "hmm..., nice looking young boy's body...as opposed to the last old worn out one I had". I remember thinking this as an 8 yr. old! My first inkling of past lives. (imagine if I had told my parents this! That's nice Kenny, we'll be taking you to see the doctor now. Again, it seemed like a normal thought to have (to me anyway).

Mel, THANK YOU for finding the icons for me.  I was just about to give up and I spied the 'advanced editor' and bingo!  Time for flooding my posts with icons!!!!

Man, I wish I had known about this before!  Prepare to be Iconed to death!  (it's also a good way to ease tension when your posts may be taken inflammatorily.  I notice that's a problem with the printed word.  In real life you would visually pick up all sorts of body language when the person is speaking to you as well as tone of voice, voice inflection, etc.  All helps to tell you HOW the person is saying what they're saying.  The printed word doesn't do that.  So you have to add LOL and icons as substitutes. 

Hey everyone! Frances, that is awesome you found concrete evidence to make your memories solid. Wow.

Hey Ken, Hey Mel. I don't like your government, Mel, that's all. You're one awesome American chick!   But I'm gonna like this gov't coming up!   ** go Obama San!   Do you know there's a town called Obama in Japan and they were so excited! They said this is the best thing that's happend to them in a long time!

Mel, PLEASE tell me you're kidding about Gordon Lightfoot being our last Prime Minister -- Pullleeaaaase!  I hope you figured out that Canadians like to make jokes because Americans believe us.  But maybe you're tricking us!   I'm pretty gullible myself!  TELL me you didn't think he was the PM!!!  You got the one about the polar bears snuffling around the back door, right?            And about the 23 hour clock?!!! 

Thanks for the info re. finding the smileys I did not have htem either.   Yes, they sure make people feel better. I agree it is a problem with text.   We can't transfer the feelings or inner images taht go along with the words!

 Very cool, Ken, that you saw and thought that about the hairy guy and yourself.    OH, the perfect icon!!!

Yes, Mel, good on ya for working it out of Ken that he likes all those messengers of God guys   

  *angel12*

Yeah, I had too much psychological abuse as a kid and abuse of all kinds in a past life that affects me a lot this time around ... so I think I take any kind of abuse really seriously because I didn't before, and allowed myself to be treated so badly, not loving myself enough to stand up against it.  But now I am aware and able, so I stand up for others partly for them, and partly for the aspects of myself that I never stood up for before.  I am not yet beyond that, to the point of being able to say, it's ok, it's a part of growth!  Can Anyone say that???  Can YOU?

It's just not right, you know?  I was raised in my church, and my family, not to ignore injustice, and my spirit just agrees with that!   So I can't stand by and condone it.  I guess we don't have to get all upset about it, but yeah, I think it's part of defending myself when I defend others. 

I know that I deprived others of their rights in the past.  In addition to what I said about causing people's deaths as part of a gang in one life (maybe in the 50s?) , also I felt a really strong sense last year, that I had been, or was, complicit in the oppression of my students' people - they're Karen people from Burma - and for awhile I couldn't look one of them in the eye: one who really trusted me.   This is another reason I think (no, Ken, I don't KNOW, but this is good enough for me - I do feel I KNOW some things.. but most things I can just think, or believe) that there are parallel lives, becasue it feels like I'm in one aspect of me oppressing them in Burma, maybe!  and in another part of me, helping them find their way in Canada.   It's kinda overwhelming.

  It makes me sad... well, maybe I just have to come to terms with it and have compassion - on all of us, seriously - I'm not just trying to be poetic! 

Have a good day!!!  Rachel.

This is such a beautiful song.     love, Rachel   Fields of Gold, by Sting!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCNJBopK25I&feature=email

  What have I done? I've unleashed the comedy central demons!

Well, yippy ti yi yo! git along lil icons...it's yore misfortune, and none of my own.

Life will be colorful and light natured from now on, eh?

Rachel...Kenneth told me that Gordon Lightfoot was Canada's last prime minister...I just ran off with the idea. Was he telling me a big fib?

Kenneth, I don't get you. After ALL I've done for you...showin' you the secret icon treasure chest! And ya hadda go and play me like that!        

Some people's kids!

Yes Mel.  You have given immense tools and toys now to two Canadians.  You have no idea what you have unleashed!

You mean Chief Gordon Lightfoot wasn't our last PM Rachel?  Maybe it was William Shatner or Jean Poutine? 

Mel your icons make me laugh out loud.  Ya shudda been a comedian!

BTW, our police are only allowed to carry slingshots as weapons since we have a total ban on handguns.

Canadians are unable to say the letter 'h'.

In the province where I live, Ontario, any woman is allowed to go topless, indoors or outdoors.  (ha! and you think I'm kidding!  I waited for thousands of women to start walking around topless when this law came into being and was sorely disappointed to eventually only see a total of about 3 and that was it).

haha!   What's that guy doing? catching flies?  Or popcorn? 

You saw 3?  Where?  I'm still waiting for the naked men law.    Well, not everyone has to exercise their rights in that regard! 

In SK it's legal to go around topless  "as long as there is no likelyhood of seeing children."  So, no schoolground, mall, pool, or other children magnet places...  geez!  where are we supposed to get rid of our bikini lines!!!  Guess we'll have to go to Wreck Beach in Vancouver.    If kids see them though, won't they just get hungry?    hehe.  

Ok,  Good, Mel, Good.   

mmm.  going to find 350$.   That's right, in Canada we put the dollar sign at the end.   (Well, francophones do anyway!  So I can claim it just as much as anyone claims iglus as Canadian!)   Tools and toys.   Mmm.  

Have good day.  Peace, Rachel

Hehehehe! I like seeing all the icons! If you're wondering, look up Discordian on wikipedia. That's a pretty good overview.

And I'll try to add some photos of both Claire Lotto and Carl de Vogt in an album. Being on my BlackBerry, I can't post them here! Aarrgghh!

Yeah, send along the pics.  I'm so curious to see what they / you looked like!!!!     Rachel

Thanks, Rachel...about the awesome American chick part...you also are an awesome American chick.   We're ALL NORTH AMERICANS!  Eh?

Discordian... Maggie? As in an accordian that can't hold a tune?  

Meet Egorone of my past life experiences. He was deaf...so there was no discord, but plenty of chaos.

I looked it up...

We look at the world through windows on which have been drawn grids (concepts). Different philosophies use different grids. A culture is a group of people with rather similar grids. Through a window we view chaos, and relate it to the points on our grid, and thereby understand it. The order is in the grid. That is the Aneristic Principle.

Western philosophy is traditionally concerned with contrasting one grid with another grid, and amending grids in hopes of finding a perfect one that will account for all reality and will, hence, (say unenlightened westerners) be True. This is illusory; it is what we Erisians call the Aneristic Illusion. Some grids can be more useful than others, some more beautiful than others, some more pleasant than others, etc., but none can be more True than any other.

Disorder is simply unrelated information viewed through some particular grid. But, like "relation", no-relation is a concept. Male, like female, is an idea about sex. To say that male-ness is "absence of female-ness", or vice versa, is a matter of definition and metaphysically arbitrary. The artificial concept of no-relation is the Eristic Principle.

The belief that "order is true" and disorder is false or somehow wrong, is the Aneristic Illusion. To say the same of disorder, is the Eristic Illusion.

The point is that (little-t) truth is a matter of definition relative to the grid one is using at the moment, and that (capital-T) Truth, metaphysical reality, is irrelevant to grids entirely. Pick a grid, and through it some chaos appears ordered and some appears disordered. Pick another grid, and the same chaos will appear differently ordered and disordered.

Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.

[M]ankind has […] been suffering from a psychological and spiritual imbalance. Imbalance causes frustration, and frustration causes fear. And fear makes for a bad trip. Man has been on a bad trip for a long time now.

—Malaclypse the Younger, Principia Discordia, Page 00042

The human race will begin solving it's [sic] problems on the day that it ceases taking itself so seriously.

—Malaclypse the Younger, Principia Discordia, page 00074

Umm..., sorry I asked (about erisian/discordian).  Personally, I will file it away under the heading 'parody'.  But that is ME, and what I will do with it.  Other than that, PLEASE TO ONE AND ALL DO NOT TAKE OFFENSE AT MY JOKING ABOUT IT IF IT IS ACTUALLY A SINCERE RELIGIOUS BELIEF OF YOURS.

(my disclaimer)

Other than that, let's get back to the real reality of toplessness and how it (they) fit into grids.

I shall make a completely deep statement here by saying Order is Disorder.  Love is Hate.  Everything is Nothing.  Etc.  And I shall I write my own complex complexities regarding such an idea (no I won't).  Because I'm just making it up, it sounds deep, it causes everyone to try to figure it out, and if they can just figure it out then they will be enlightened, and yet it is as meaningless a statement as one could make.  Eh?

(disclaimer: in no way am I making fun of anyone on the planet earth's beliefs)

No offense taken at all, Kenneth! One of the the things about Discordianism is that each of us has to find our own path. I think if you asked five Discordians what it means to be Discordian, you might get ten different answers, LoL! Or like the writings say, and I'm paraphrasing here, the goddess speaks to each of us. She will say one thing to one person, another to the next, and she could seem to contradict herself, saying the opposite to each. And, yes, Discordianism is a parody religion, right up there with Pastafarianism and the Invisible Pink Unicorn. I, however, being a Hellenistic polytheist, have followed the gods of discord (Eris, strife, Ares, etalia) for several years. I like making people think! Not necessarily change their minds, but just to open their minds to other possibilities. I know, I know, I've gone on and on with this post, but I started rambling and couldn't stop myself. Or maybe Eris inspired me to write this! Hehehehe! =))

I, myself am considering becoming an Indecisive Flooglespurious. Now THERE is the religion of all religions.
We dye our bodies blue and run around naked causing indecisive reaction in people...like...should I stay ot should I go?
 
 

I'm...dreaming of a white...Christmas...just like the ones I used to know...where the treetops glisten and Indecisive Flogglespurians listen...to hear...sleighbells in the snow...

OK, I uploaded those photos of Claire and Carl into an album. The password is reincarnation

Hi Maggie.  Do you mean an album on your profile page?  The one with the lock around it?  How do I open it?  I click it and nothing happens.

Maybe you should start a new thread because this one's kind of chock full and takes a while to load.

 We've got a Peeping Ken. 

I couldn't get into the album either Maggie, maybe you have to create a share for it. I've seen other people do it that way.

I saw your long hair picture, with the accented eyes. You look kind of Egyptian, do you remember a life from that time period?

This link will take you to Part 3.

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=2096&pst=959860&saved=1