**VIDEO** Terrified Voter says NJ Dems Using Gangbangers for GOTV

How would you like to be a New Jersey police officer and look out your window and see several known criminals, including a man you arrested several weeks ago and another who had just been released from prison for shooting a cop?  And then find out that the men were sent into the neighborhood by the Democratic Party for GOTV operations - complete with lists of voters names, addresses and phones numbers!

That is what happened Sunday on a quiet street in Morris Township.  The officer, who’s name we are with holding, specifically heard the men discussing that he was a police officer and that they now know where he lives.   The officer confronted the men and they took off.  He contacted the local police who responded and caught up with them and about a dozen other men a few blocks away.  According to the police report, the men were known criminals and when asked why they were in the neighborhood they stated they were

 

 

“campaigning for the Democratic Party.”

Below is an interview with another Morris Township resident who also witnessed the gangbangers going door to door.  She contacted a local Democratic Party Official who sent her an email stating

 

 

“Thanks for writing. Yes, I heard about this and am very sorry for the incident.”

Shockingly, this isn’t the first time New Jersey Democrats have used gang bangers for GOTV.  According to this story on PolitickerNJ, the Bloods Street gang stole $6000 from the NJ Democratic State Committee through a check fraud scheme.  NJ Democratic Party Chairman Joseph Cryan said “that checks were copied from payments sent out for the party’s 2006 field operation.”

It’s 9:00 AM and things are just heating up in Jersey.

http://www.electionjournal.org/2009/11/03/video-terrified-voter-says-nj-dems-using-gangbangers-for-gotv/

They must be running scared Robert....Last night the democratic state committee starting sending out robo calls on behalf of the independent candidate Chris Daggett slamming Chrisite and making sure you knew where Daggett was listed in the voting booths.  This is the truth because I got one of these phone calls and they clearly sponsor it.  It got out about this pretty quick last night and they denied having anything to do with it.  This morning they admitted to it and I did receive another call like this earlier today.

They can use their money like this because Corzine doesn't need it when he has so much of his own to spare.

Politics as usual, the democratic machine in New Jersey operates without conscience and apparently does not care about who they send in to do their bidding.  Put innocent tax payers in danger by sending the likes of these creeps to campaign for them...what next?

I still am holding out hope but I don't know.

I am afraid to say that the Dems also had acorn members running around canvassing neighbourhoods with absentee ballots Suzanne .... Beck reported this yesterday .... apparently it is legal in your state to do this?  Here, we have to vote four weeks before our election is to take place if we will not be in our districts to vote and we must go to special polling stations to do so .... Only in America (if it is a true story) would that kind of garbage be taking place.

If it is a close election all of those ballots are going to come into question and I forsee a HUGE legal fight over them.

I am sorry, I am not sure what has gone on here and what are "gang bangers"?? Does this mean people going round from door to door canvassing for votes or what??

Lynn, "gang bangers" is a term applied to violent gang members.  In this context the term refers to "several known criminals."  What their crimes were I don't know.

what are "gang bangers"??  Lynn

OMG!  I can't even begin to describe, but no.  They are criminals thugs. 

I am guessing that little bit about ganbangers is saying that Dems have been out getting these people registered.  You can go door to dooor to get people registered to vote.

I haven't personally heard that story but gang bangers (which usually are the bloods in this area) who have a very strong presence in some areas are being used to get out the vote for Corzine.  Not so much that the dems are registering them.  They are using them to gain support for their side.

It has been totally dirty politics all along and this last day has increased the crap.  It is neck and neck between Christie and Corzine.  I can barely wait till this is over.  I am seriously going to be making some life decisions based on who walks out the Governor.  I literally can not maintain in this State under four more years of Corzine and though it is the absolute last thing I want to do.  I am seriously considering packing it in if that happens.  I can't afford any more.   

Corzine's democrats are actually paying for Daggetts (the independent) last two days of robo calls.  Just to pull the vote from Chrisite.  It is disgusting.

SUZANNE!~!!!! YOU WON!!!!!

No surprise....

Barack Obama, who campaigned hard and frequently in New Jersey, lost in New Jersey.  The New Jersey Governor's race was clearly a referendum on Barack Obama and clearly, the people have rejected Barack Obama.

YYYYYYYEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!


        






Can you tell how happy I am.  The people of New Jersey need this bad.  Let's hope tomorrow is the beginning of brighter days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This post was modified from its original form on 03 Nov, 20:32

Nov. 3 (Bloomberg) -- :S:d1" rel="nofollow" >Christopher Christie ousted Governor :S:d1" rel="nofollow" >Jon Corzine to become the first Republican elected to statewide office in New Jersey in 12 years.

Christie had 49 percent of the vote to 45 percent for Corzine, a first-term Democrat, with 98 percent of the precincts counted, according to the Associated Press’s election Web site.

Republicans, who account for just 1-in-5 New Jersey voters, last won a statewide election in 1997. Christie, a former U.S. attorney with a reputation for going after corrupt politicians, campaigned on the back of dissatisfaction with the incumbent’s performance during the U.S. recession.

“It’s a scorecard on :S:d1" rel="nofollow" >Jon Corzine, no question about it,” said :S:d1" rel="nofollow" >Christine Todd Whitman, the last New Jersey governor to win re-election and the last Republican to win a statewide race in New Jersey. “Four years ago he told us, hold me accountable.”

Christie started the campaign with a lead in opinion polls that reached 12 percent in July and fell as Corzine aired a series of television ads attacking his driving record, ethics and views on abortion and health care.

President :S:d1" rel="nofollow" >Barack Obama traveled to the state to stump for Corzine on three occasions, and Vice President :S:d1" rel="nofollow" >Joseph Biden and former President :S:d1" rel="nofollow" >Bill Clinton also visited.

Corzine and Christie were neck-and-neck in a Quinnipiac University poll released yesterday. The survey of 1,533 likely voters showed Christie with 42 percent to Corzine’s 40 percent, within the poll’s error margin of 2.5 percentage points. Independent candidate Christopher Daggett had 12 percent and 6 percent remained undecided.

Corzine, 62, the former co-chairman of Goldman, Sachs & Co., was the only incumbent U.S. governor seeking re-election this year. Corzine had spent the race seeking to convince voters he positioned the state to recover early from the U.S. economic recession and had worked to create jobs. He said he would expand state health care programs to cover the uninsured and focus on public schools.

Corzine said he called Christie to concede and called the Republican gracious. He said his administration would ensure a smooth transition.

“It’s been an incredible journey together and I’m grateful to all New Jerseyans,” Corzine said. “To have been governor of this great state has been a joy I never could have imagined. We may be retiring from politics, but we’re not retiring from life and we’ll continue to fight for those things we believe in.”

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I am very happy for you as well Suzanne - now I hope you all keep his feet to the fire and make him do what he says!

I am sorry to see that Hoffman lost but that was a close race as well even with that Dee Dee sabatoging that for Hoffman .... Goes to show she was really a Dem trying to wear a Repub skirt!  Someone said they would wait for the absentee ballots - lots of military in them and I laughed because I bet they will all be for the Doo Doo - as she was running as a Repub - ooops - just saw Hoffman conceded .....

On the whole it was a great night if you believe in fiscal responsibility but let's see if the momentum in America keeps rolling into next year .... if nothing else it is a warning shot to Obama that Americans are 'mad as hell and ain't going to take it anymore' ....

'You could tell by the way they were dressed that they did not belong in the neighborhood...'

'Known gang members'?

What bull...

Barack Obama deserves to be defeated in New Jersey.

I hope, Suzanne, now you'll have a government not run by lobbysists and corrupt Administration hacks.

I didn't realize Obama was running in New Jersey...

I am sorry to see that Hoffman lost but that was a close race as well even with that Dee Dee sabatoging that for Hoffman .... Goes to show she was really a Dem trying to wear a Repub skirt!  Someone said they would wait for the absentee ballots - lots of military in them and I laughed because I bet they will all be for the Doo Doo - as she was running as a Repub - ooops - just saw Hoffman conceded .....

Northern, Hoffman lost because right-wing extremists from outside New York state stuck their noses into what was none of their business and put forth someone that did not represent at all New York state Republicans, who are indeed more liberal than most Republicans across the United States. It was THEIR fault that the Republicans lost! Had they not interfered, the candidate chosen by the local Republicans most likely would have won. NEW YORK DOES NOT NEED EXTREMISTS! Indeed, no state does.

Are you so far to the right that you would support a revolution to overthrow a democratically elected government if it was "too liberal" for your liking? If so, then you are an enemy of freedom, not a defender of it. Even when Bush Jr was president, I as a liberal never considered overthrowing him by force a realistic option. Nor should anyone on the right consider that for Obama and the Democrats now. If you think freedom matters, then RESPECT THE SOVERIGNTY OF THE PEOPLE! Do NOT think you know better than the popular voters, or you might as well be a fascist. Which I think most "Conservatives" in America really are at heart.

Every editorial writer in America knows the Governor's race in NJ was about Barack Obama; not Corzine.

Obama campaigned there harder than he has campaigned anywhere - and he made the race about him.  He said, a vote for Corzine was a vote of support for Barack Obama.  He said it exactly that way: A vote for Corzine was a vote for Obama.  All one has to do is read his speeches.

Barack Obama lost big and he deserved to.  This race, in the last weeks, was never about Corzine.  Barack Obama made it his election and the people of New Jersey should celebrate Obama's major defeat.  They made the right choice.

If that is true, why did people vote in Obama for President in the first place. You supported him too, didn't you? I find your flip-flopping confusing, to say the least.

Maybe you haven't read my posts over the past eight months, Dale. I'm certainly not going to repeat them all now.

I didn't run for President, Dale; Barack Obama did.  And there's good reason why many millions of his supporters are now ex-supporters - because of his own actions and his flip-flopping.

It is Barack Obama who owes the people an explanation for his lies and his flip-flopping; not me, Dale.

It hasn't been me flip-flopping.  I support the same things I did when Barack Obama was elected.  I didn't lie and I didn't change; Barack Obama did.  It is Barack Obama who changed.  Direct your questions to him, not to me. 

The Barack Obama who serves as President is not the same Barack Obama who ran for President.  It would be foolish, IMO, to support this "new" Obama.  He wasn't the one I voted for.

Wow .... that was quite a mouthful! Dee Dee was appointed to the role of representing the Repubs in this election against the wishes of the people ..... period - and FYI her views on things were similar to that of the Democratic candidate - so there was really not much difference between them anyway - she may as well have run as a Dem as she certainly was not a conservative which is where the American people and independants are starting to lean  ....

Yep, her dropping out and then supporting the DEMOCRAT after recieving thousands of dollars from the Repub party was pretty nice of her. A costly tantrum however ....

I don't beleive I was calling for an armed revolution of any kind. That would be crazy when practically every second household in America is armed to the teeth (in some areas) .... Guns are not real big here in Canada - can't afford to buy the bullets for them because we are so broke paying for our crappy social programs that the government is running ---- you know, the same kind they are trying to talk you all into buying .... problem is in the end you never pay for the dang thing because all it turns out to be is one big money pit IMO.

If I was so far to the right then that would mean I was a Christian, anti-abortion and homophobic - anti gay marriage - none of which I am .... But I do believe in fiscal responsibility and do know you cannot buy your way out of debt Dale .... it simply does not work ....

I am sorry you do not like my opinion but I call things as I see them and where I see America headed right now with all of the programs Obama and his gang are throwing around - is right off a fianancial cliff .... What happens in America does not stay in America .... it has a rebound effect on all of us ....

Dear Northern,

I have seen and read your posts for months and I have never seen you support anything like what was just thrown at you.  That implication that you would support an armed revolution against Liberals is bizarre, IMO, to say the least.

Dee Dee was appointed to the role of representing the Repubs in this election against the wishes of the people ..... period

Who told you that nonsense? Were you there when the Republican primaries in upstate New York were hijacked? Or did you read that claim on some right-wing extremist blog?

 - and FYI her views on things were similar to that of the Democratic candidate - so there was really not much difference between them anyway - she may as well have run as a Dem as she certainly was not a conservative which is where the American people and independants are starting to lean  ....

No, most Americans are moderates and both major political parties attempt to appeal to moderates in the general elections even while also appealing to a ideological base during the primaries. It's a difficult balancing act, especially in states where the state party has pulled away from the national party's ideology. The "Conservatives" of New York sabotaged that process by putting forth a candidate that was too far to the right to be accepted by the people of that area.....as was proven tonight when he lost to the Democrat.

I share your views on fiscal responsibility, but I put the blame for the Republicans losing that New York district right where it belongs, on the RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS WHO SHOULD HAVE MINDED THEIR OWN DAMN BUSINESS!

A Year After Dousing, Republicans’ Hope Rekindled



By ADAM NAGOURNEY
Published: November 4, 2009

WASHINGTON — The Republican victories in the races for New Jersey and Virginia governors put the party in a stronger position to turn back the political wave President Obama unleashed last year, setting the stage for Republicans to raise money, recruit candidates and ride the excitement of an energized base as the party heads into next year’s midterm elections.

My faith in Republicans will be restored when they stop supporting wars on the other side of the world, abandon the insanity of Supply Side economics, stop allowing corporations to get away with running our lives into the ground, and stop opposing gay rights and environmental ideals.

Conservative Loses Upstate House Race in Blow to Right

JEREMY W. PETERS

Published: November 3, 2009

SARANAC LAKE, N.Y. — Democrats won a special election in New York State’s northernmost Congressional district Tuesday, a setback for national conservatives who heavily promoted a third candidate in what became an intense debate over the direction of the Republican Party.


Just before 12:30 a.m. Mr. Owens stepped up to a lectern at an American Legion Hall in Plattsburgh, his hometown, and urged residents of the district to put aside the partisan fighting that characterized the race.

"The challenges that we face are not Democratic or Republican," he said. "They are not liberal or conservative. They're challenges that Americans face and that we will overcome with American resolve."

Mr. Hoffman spoke to a deflated crowd of about 50 in a hotel ballroom here soon after midnight on Wednesday and said he had called Mr. Owens to concede.


The Club for Growth, a group that promotes limited government and lower taxes, spent about $1 million promoting Mr. Hoffman. Social conservative organizations like the Susan B. Anthony List, which opposes abortion, and the National Organization for Marriage, which fights same-sex marriage laws, joined forces in support of Mr. Hoffman. They printed literature, made phone calls and flooded the district with volunteers from across the country.


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Dale, I guess you didn't notice: It is Barack Obama who has increased the number of troops and commitment to foreign wars; not the Republicans.

Blaming Republicans is years too late - besides the fact that Democrats were as much to blame.  One should look at what's happening today with the warmongering  Barack Obama.  As well as Barack Obama who bailed out the large corporations and their fat-cat leadership while allowing unemployment levels of their workers to go through the roof. And it is Barack Obama who has opposed lifting the discrimination against gays.

I find it amazing that anyone could cite those examples as reasons to support Obama - when those are three of the best examples to oppose him.

Voters shun the far~left & far~right, embracing the moderate position.

Knate, are you saying that Barack Obama is not liberal enough? Then how do you explain all the bitter attacks made against him by conservatives since his election? I'd think most of them would praise him as a moderate, but instead they hate him. They would hate him even more if he was as liberal as you want. I always thought he was a centrist and didn't expect him to be a radical and thought the attempts to portray him as too radical was a pack of lies from the faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar right.

The American people rejected McCain and the Republicans last year. Now it seems they are turning to Republicans again this year.

WHAT THE HELL DO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE REALLY WANT?

Shout as much as you like, Dale.

Here is food for thought Dale ... while our systems of government are different - our apathy towards elections were similiar .... until your last election ....

Obama's campaign was slick - inspirational - they (in their own words) 'controlled the message and the media' .... but he had literally no experience - 150 days in government does not a President make - name one company this man ever ran - one state - a hot dog stand perhaps? - show me his college records, introduce me to someone who actually sat in any of his classes and said "I knew him when" .... but the main thing is show me where he and his administration listened to the people of your country when the majority were saying - "No bailouts! Stop the spending! LET THEM FAIL" ....

Nope, instead they made fun of well over one million protestors (and THAT is a Canadian news estimate) who marched on Washington to say 'STOP THE SPENDING" .... pretended he knew nothing about them .... members of his party called them names and he said nothing .... racists, etc. when really 99% of them are you! Just want to live their lives - live and let live but want to leave an America behind that their (your) children and grandchildren can afford to live in .... That is not the path America is on right now and the people - as in "WE THE PEOPLE" are waking up, do not like what they see and are determined not to let this happen to your country ..... In nine months your national debt has ?tripled (senior moment but I know it is a lot) .... your economy will not sustain itself at that rate and most of the money was just thrown away ....

His campaign and his speeches were inspiring - but there was little substance to what he said and what he promised economically in America right now simply cannot be done without bankrupting your country.  McCain had one of the worst run campaigns I have ever seen in America and at my age I followed a lot of them .... so Obama was the 'people's choice' .... but IMO Hilary would be doing a much better job .... she is decisive and practical ....

But the one thing Obama has delivered on is CHANGE ..... The people of America are waking up to the fact that a lot of the problems in your government right now is because of 20 years of apathy .... Just elect whoever sounds the best or will give us the most bang for our buck and go about our lives ..... we do it here to! Our turnout on election day is pathetic!

But what Obama did was empower the people of your country (mine too) - just not in the way he expected to. So the people are speaking out and taking back your Republic .... and it is long past time ....

Now, you all have to try and find the middle ground as a people and I think over time you will .... If I were the Dem who won in NY tonight I would look at the numbers because he did not win by a hell of a lot and if he goes along with Obama and his gang - he will not be there very long ....

.... and also IMO, Obama is no moderate, not at all but there is still time for him to turn this around if he starts listening to the people and not to the mouths he has surrounding him ....

RICHMOND, Va. — Eager to drain the 2009 elections of drama and import, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs claimed Tuesday night that President Barack Obama was “not watching returns.”

You can be sure that he is studying them closely now: The off-year elections were, in two big races, an unmistakable rebuke of Democrats, reshuffling Obama’s political circumstances in ways likely to have severe near-term consequences for his policy agenda and larger governing strategy.

Independents took flight from Democrats. They suffered humiliating gubernatorial losses in traditionally Democratic New Jersey, where Obama lent his prestige in a pair of eleventh-hour campaign rallies Sunday, and in Virginia, which had been trending leftward and just last year was held up as an example of how Obama was redrawing the political map in his favor.

Tuesday night’s trends were emphatically not in Obama’s favor. Among those paying closest attention are dozens of Democrats who won formerly Republican congressional districts in 2006 and 2008 and are up for reelection in 2010. Many of these pickups that powered the Democrats’ recapture of Congress came in Southern and border states, or in the Ohio River Valley, where political conditions are similar to those in Virginia.

Obama now faces a much tougher challenge persuading these mostly moderate Democrats to put themselves further at risk by backing such liberal priorities as expanding government’s role in heath care or limiting greenhouse gases.

It was a consolation prize — cherished by national Democrats urgently looking for some good news — that Democrat Bill Owens won a special election for the 23rd Congressional District in upstate New York.

Headline today....

Washington

Republicans won two big races Tuesday – the governor’s races in Virginia and New Jersey – in a rebuke to the Democratic Party and a blow to President Obama.

OK....I am still smiling. 

My take on New Jersey is that mostly Corzine lost because of Corzine.  It has to be noted though Hudson (Jersey City) and Essex Counties (Newark) (huge democrat areas/outnumber republicans 4 to 1) did not come out to vote.  President Obama didn't draw them out.  Voter turn out is not really huge in these areas normally, but they are one of the deciding factor for the democrats.  President Obama campaigned for Corzine in both of these Counties.  The people didn't care.

These people voted last year (first time and possibly one time voters) based on promises made to them.  These people are typically not involved in the process at all, by their own choice.  

If the margin of victory was less I might have a different take on it.  Governor Chrisite won by a commendable amount, coupled by the fact that Daggett got over 100,000 votes as well.  The people who voted are the one's who have been losing for a long time.  We have turned a very much traditionally "Blue" state a beautiful "Red". 

I am not expecting miracles, our State is faced with an 8 billion dollar debt to be dealt with in next year's budget, but I am now hopeful things will be better.  A message was sent which clearly is "No More Tax & Spend".

On another happy note the two I voted for on our town council also won.  We now will have a new Mayor as well.....oh, happy days

What bull...
 
How low will the Republican Party go?

Do you know that the story is bull? Were you there?

Speaking of low, how low will the Democratic party go?

Don't act for a second like you actually think they run campaigns without their fair share of dirty tricks...

Buck, if you noticed I didn't respond to that because you are correct in that they are not here and don't know how it works here.  The democrats pulled out just about every dirty little thing they could and still lost.  I always say you have to live it to believe it.  I am just glad the people in New Jersey woke up!

I was happy for you that the republican won and Corzine is gone.

I was also happy BTW that the conservative prank in upstate NY did not work.

150 days in government does not a President make

Really? I thought Obama had served in government a lot longer than that. Where did you get the 150 day figure from?

name one company this man ever ran - one state - a hot dog stand perhaps? - show me his college records, introduce me to someone who actually sat in any of his classes and said "I knew him when"

What, are you one of the "birthers" too?

but the main thing is show me where he and his administration listened to the people of your country when the majority were saying - "No bailouts! Stop the spending! LET THEM FAIL" ....

What majority? I don't recall any opinion polls specifically saying that most Americans wanted corporations to fail. BTW, Bush Jr, a Republican, started the bailouts.

Nope, instead they made fun of well over one million protestors (and THAT is a Canadian news estimate) who marched on Washington to say 'STOP THE SPENDING"

AMERICAN news estimates were far fewer protestors.

In nine months your national debt has ?tripled

No. It went up over $1 trillion, but it had already topped 10 trillion before that.....largely due to Republicans spending so much on the military under Reagan and Bush Jr, along with their insane tax cuts which limited revenue. Are you going to yell at THEM too?

Obama didn't start this mess, and he may not be able to end it. I blame the Republicans too, and want BOTH major political parties to be overthrown eventually. Blaming one of them is unfair and illogical.

"Presidential elections are like a box of chocolates;  sometine you get one that makes you sick."-- Forrest Gump

There are myriad people who voted for BHObama who now wish that they could have a do-over.  One way to do that is to "send a message" by this off-year election.  And wait til next year's message....

$10 trillion, Dale?  Caused by Republican spending?  Facts and figures to back that up?

November 4, 2009, 12:24 pm

[The national debt] went up over $1 trillion [under Obama], but it had already topped 10 trillion before that.....largely  [not entirely] due to Republicans spending so much on the military under Reagan and Bush Jr, along with their insane tax cuts which limited revenue.

What part of that is not common knowledge.....to everyone except right-wing extremists who still blindly follow neo-con dogmas?

I am really getting tired of asking you to back off of the personally demeaning comments.  Re-word your posts without those kinds of comments.  I am not saying "please" anymore.

BHObama caused a national debt larger than ALL previous Presidents combined.  That's de fack, Jack.

If the Republicans ever expect to win Presidental elections in the future, I think they need to purge themselves of the neo-con extremists that ran it ever since Reagan's time and return to the fiscal restraint and moderation of the Eisenhower years. I always thought Eisenhower was a great President. Certainly greater than Obama.

I also think that Obama needs to stay away from elections that are none of his business, including most state elections.

BHObama caused a national debt larger than ALL previous Presidents combined.  That's de fack, Jack.

I think you mean "deficit", Robert, not debt.

Robert,

I might question your figures, but, it doesn't matter.  Even if the national debt hasn't increased quite as much as you say, it is increasing at a level that is way past unacceptable - and someday that debt (and the deficit) are going to have to be paid by someone.  A very unhappy bunch of someones, I think.

..........................................

Dale,

Eisenhower was a very good President - who'd be considered to the Left of Socialism (probably) by Rush LImbaugh - but he was a good moderate-Conservative Republican.

I agree: Barack Obama should keep away from state elections and focus on the job he's supposed to be doing.

"Barack Obama deserves to be defeated in New Jersey."  Knate

Knate, I am going to respectfully but completely disagree with you.  Obama did not run in NJ.  I don't think that Corzine's loss had a whole lot to do with Obama, whethere he went to campaign or not.  Maybe Suzanne will correct me.  But NJ is so overtaxed and much more so in recent years from when I lived out east.  They were saying enough.

Knate, I don't think that BHObama has a clue as to what he is supposed to be doing as President, but he has a pretty clear idea as to what agendas he wants to implement.

Fair enough, Nancy.  I did not phrase that in a fair way to Barack Obama.  Also fair enough, there are many people who agree with you and say, Corzine's loss had nothing to do with Obama. probably many more people who agree with you than with me.

I, however, feel it did - because of Obama's five prominent visits to New Jersey to "rally his (Obama's) supporters" to go out and vote for Corzine because, as Obama said, "I need him."  Obama identified himself with Corzine and said clearly, "I need him." 

So I think, my opinion, is that people didn't give a fern that Barack Obama "needed" Corzine - and voted against Corzine - and voted against Obama in that election.  Yes, Nancy, I could be wrong, but that is how I see it because Barack Obama went way out of his way to personally identify himself with Corzine and Corzine's re-election.

That's why I say, Obama lost in New Jersey.

YOu know that many a politician gets called int to help another member of the party.  To me that is what happened.  Perhpas they knew Corzine was in trouble and called on Obama.  It is hard to turn down a call from the party who got you elected no matter who you are. 

But yes, people didn't give a fern (love that!).

Robert,

I think he knows what to do - or what he should do - but I believe he has a different agenda - and I can't figure out why he became so different a person once he became President.  IMO, it is like there are two separate and very different Barack Obama's: One ran for the Presidency and recieved the votes and support of the majority of the American voters.  And this second Barack Obama, who is rapidly losing the support and potential votes of American citizens.

I find it totally baffling because, I am not exaggerating; in my opinion, it is like they are two, totally different individuals.

Dear Nancy,

I am not unsympathetic to your point of view.  Not at all.  It makes perfect sense - and it is the view most people have.  I just have a feeling about this and that is the way I express it.

I think Obama supporting Corzine probaby helped get him more votes than he would have otherwise.  It just wasn't enough.

And I don't care WHO had been voted into the White House in '08, people would still be pissed off because our economy is broken and Americans are firm believers in instant gratification.  But the fact is that no President from any party - not McPalin, not Paul, not Barr - nobody - would be able to come into the Oval Office and wave some magic wand or twitch his/her nose to make it all go away, or even start to go away in a year.  Or two - or five.

Some would argue that he, Obama, hasn't been able to provide for more jobs, well, since when does a president hand out jobs?  What we do know is that unemployment isn't worse than it is, and if we can credit the ex-President for the U.S. not being "attacked by terrorists" (of the muslim sort) by whatever actions taken by Homeland Security, then Obama can take credit for unemployment numbers not being higher than they are by whatever actions he's taken.  And keeping and adding jobs is not "nothing" - it's something that is of critical importance to all American people - and the economy, making it more important than just about ANYthing on his plate at the moment.

Just my feeling on this after seeing the returns and the numbers of those who voted and where.  President Obama's people did not come out and vote.  The numbers were low, no voter interest.  Strictly the hard core party line voters backed Corzine. 

The minorities and the young did not come out in force as they did for President Obama.  Not even when he asked them two days before the election to do so.  This year we were able to mail in votes as well (I don't know how that works, didn't do it and don't like the idea of it much) but people had even that much more of a chance to support President Obama's wishes and they didn't.

I am not saying Corzine didn't completely suck...but President Obama didn't seem to carry weight with this at all.

Knate is absolutely correct in President Obama totally identifying how he needed Corzine for his plans and goals.  That Corzine was leading in the economic recovery.   I generally will hold respect for the office of the Presidency.  I will be honest the fact that President Obama placed such a vested interest in Corzine who was clearly aiding and abetting in the downfall of this state, is inexcusable.  It just shows a total lack of concern for one of the state's that put him in to that position.  For the people of that state that are struggling so hard.

Interestingly enough an independent study done by Rutgers economists within the last few days actually shows that as the economy picks up New Jersey will be lagging behind for years to come due to the unfriendly climate for business.  Thus, lack of new jobs.  Maybe they will have to reforecast now that we have a more business friendly Governor to be although we still have a heavily loaded democratic assembly.  Is that what President Obama is hoping to achieve?  Scary!

By Matt Friedman, PolitickerNJ.com Reporter

YOu know that many a politician gets called int to help another member of the party.

Another damned reason to do away with political parties and all the good old boy backslapping that they involve. Not all Republicans are created equal, just as not all Democrats are created equal, and even if I were still a loyal Democrat, as President I would ignore all appeals to campaign on behalf of any incumbent governors of my own party. I might campaign for U S Representatives and Senators, however. State issues and federal issues need to be kept separate, and Barack Obama is a FEDERAL official!

As long as we have "partisan poitics" that's how it's going to go - the same crap was happing in the last two Presidential elections, from both sides (but mostly, in my neck of the woods, from the Republicans)   Desperate parties take desperate measures - the party taking the desperate measures is the one who fears losing the most.

What I don't get is how/why Obama "needed" a state governor for anything.  What's that about?

I hear ya....I don't know why Corzine is so important?  I really wouldn't be surprised is he doesn't show up in a national level.  I hope not...because he sucked.

I think that is why I am a bit pissed at President Obama.  Corzine truly hurt this state and the people.  No President should support that...I am sorry.  This is one of those things that is just so personal, maybe I am not rational about it.  President Obama should have stayed clear of New Jersey.

You are right, Suzanne, nobody should support someone in continuing to do a shytty job, which is why we shouldn't be forced to suffer political parties and the blind loyalty they demand.

I am curious about Daggett.  There is a lot of talk going on.  If he was ringer for Corzine, which in this state anything is possible.  I feel bad for those that truly put their faith in him.  I met with some of his campaigners early on and I liked the conversation we had.  I liked Daggett.  I didn't vote for him, the numbers just didn't favor him beating Corzine only affecting Christie.   Beating Corzine was the mission.  I just hope it doesn't come out that he was in fact a ringer, it would hurt third party candidates for a long time to come.

I mean no disrespect, and it is a fact that the vast majority of voters do it election after election, but as long as "beating" someone is the motivator behind a vote we are never going to get into office the people we want and so desperately need. 

Americans must must must start voting for who they want to win or they never ever will win.

It's so apparent that voting in the two party system (which is voting 'for' the two party system) and the state of the union it is a losing proposition for us to continue this destructive voting behavior.  Sure, we have peaks and valleys thru the course of time, but both take place on a continual downhill course.

The only problem with that Katii is in reality Daggett was not going to win.  There was just no way, you can see by the numbers he got.  I could not risk four more years of Corzine.  I honestly financially don't think I would have survived it.  Life is still iffy if Governor Christie can't get things in check.  Too much riding it on to play around.

Toward the end Daggett talked about where he would be raising the taxes.  He wasn't really talking help in any way in the big picture not for individuals, not for business.  This guy I believe was a spoiler.  Chris Christie truly is the light at the end of the tunnel for my particular circumstances...he is my best bet.

Gov. Corzine hurt by scant support in Democratic strongholds

By Star-Ledger Staff November 04, 2009, 9:45PM

One of the earliest signs Tuesday that things weren’t going well for Gov. Jon Corzine came from Woodbridge, a Democratic stronghold in northern Middlesex County that had been Jim McGreevey’s launching pad to the governorship. The township had been tough for Corzine all along — something on display earlier in the campaign when Democratic Mayor John McCormac allowed himself to be photographed with Republican Chris Christie at a parade.

Then, on Election Day, McCormac and other Democratic allies were not out hustling for votes for the governor. Instead, they were having lunch at Jose Tejas, the Tex-Mex restaurant on Route 1 in the township. By the time the voting machines were opened just after 8 p.m., it was clear there was blood on the floor. Christie had taken Woodbridge by a 51 percent to 42 percent margin. The news for Corzine was just as bad in Sayreville and elsewhere, as towns long loyal to the Democrats fell like dominoes. Places solidly for Corzine four years earlier were turning away, or worse — not turning out at all.

In Christie’s campaign war room at the Parsippany Hilton, insiders saw the early numbers and began to think aloud that the evening would be a blowout for their candidate.

Damage reports from Tuesday’s battle showed Corzine was badly crippled by a failure to marshal forces, including a failure to get out the vote in places like Middlesex, Hudson and Union counties, areas typically key to Democratic victory.

"When I saw him down by four points in Gloucester, I said, ‘It’s over,’" said state Sen. Stephen Sweeney (D-Gloucester), who knew Corzine had no hope of winning the election without carrying reliable Democratic counties.

'Do you know that the story is bull?'

How many long haired Republicans does one see?

Let's see, a few members of Lynyrd Skynyrd...

"It sounds more like this guy saw some 'black' people in his neighborhood and assumed they were criminals"  -  BlackCat

That's a pretty bold statement and I might add just as unfair as a blog from the Internet.  But just so you know, New Jersey does have gang issues Latin Kings and Bloods.  There are many wanna be's and many, many street punks in just about most neighborhoods and every county. 

To make a counter charge of racism is pretty wild.  Do you even know what color the person saying it happened is?  There are African Americans in just about every town in New Jersey. 

I wouldn't put anything past any political party in the State of New Jersey. 

Why you raining on my parade?  Just be happy...be joyful.  New Jersey has exorcised the devil....... 

I'm happy for your victory, Suzanne, but I wouldn't expect much if any meaningful change - the devil lives in both the Repubican and Democrat parties.  It's changing one type of evil for another.

Concerning Daggett...  The numbers he got is not a reflection on him (the independant = not a dem or a rep) near as much as it is a reflection on the voters not voting for him.

Maybe voters need to start organzing 'themselves' at about the same time campaigning begins.  Start grassroots community movements that decide which dem/rep they are NOT going to vote for then work their asses off to get them elected

I'll have to disagree on Daggett, he wasn't the better choice.  Just more taxes and toll roads.  It just wasn't his time.

I don't expect any relief, the debt in our state for next year right now sits at $8 billion.  I don't think there is a whole lot you can do with that fact.  But I do hope for better days.

It could prove interesting having as gov and lt gov two former high level prosecutors. Must be making the Dems shake a bit knowing that their empire is about to come under close legal scrutiny.

Time to make room at the inn?  Some politicians may be about to "win" a vacation home with three squares a day.  As long as they don't expect caviar, champagne and a swimming pool.

Robert, the same thought crossed my mind. I saw a picture of Mayor Healy (Jersey City) in the Jersey Journal watching the results on election night.  He didn't look so good.  I think it will be interesting times ahead to say the least.

I'll have to disagree on Daggett, he wasn't the better choice.  Just more taxes and toll roads.  It just wasn't his time. ~Suzanne

Suzanne, my response was based on your remark,

"The only problem with that Katii is in reality Daggett was not going to win.  There was just no way, you can see by the numbers he got.  I could not risk four more years of Corzine."

Your post implied he wasn't going to win based on numbers - hense my response.  You hadn't mentioned anything about his platform agreeing or disagreeing with the voters - that is always is a factor, of course.

It could prove interesting having as gov and lt gov two former high level prosecutors. Must be making the Dems shake a bit knowing that their empire is about to come under close legal scrutiny. ~Robert

Well, unless he's just a partisan governor why shouldn't republicans be shaking in fear just as well, or are you suggesting republicans are all angelic servants?

... one of these days Americans are going to stop playing with the lives of everyone and stop the destructive "us against them" game.

The lives and livelihoods of the American people - of any people - is not a game.

Sorry for the confusion, but truly with the numbers he had he wasn't going to win ever.  So even though I had platform issues with him.  A bigger picture to me was also to get rid of Corzine.