I love Mondays......... <climb soapbox> <start rant>
Captain Louis Renault. is who several people I know remind me of. (see clip)
For the last couple years they've been doing a wonderful headless chicken impersonation about stuff the current president is doing in the sandbox. Along with the under the table legislation designed to potentially take away our freedoms in the US.
The problem is, these EXACT repeat EXACT same people, and the sources they are quoting, were calling me a misinformed, ignorant, traitorous, terrorist loving, dumb, blind, Islamofascist, evil, godless whack job liberal for pointing out over the last decade that: The EXACT! repeat EXACT! same things were happening over the 8 years their personal BFF president, BFF VP and BFF congress were doing it. And EVERY LAST bloody one of them either defended, ignored, justified or cheer lead every last bit of it during that time. And strangely and illogically enough, still do.
BTW: a lot of the current and past nasty legislation was written / co written /wildly supported by Sen.John McCain. ( Of whom I still wonder how much of the North Vietnamese brainwashing stuck with him. ) I'll also bet a fru fru coffee that most of these people I know would STILL vote for him as president today. ( And these same people are still claiming that Obama's the real Manchurian candidate. )
Sorry ya all. You are a little too late to the party and I really suspect it is a little too late to do anything about it now. Plus, it's a WAY too late for me to take your outrage seriously. So........ Try it with someone else who didn't have to listen to you all from 2002 onward. Besides, if another BFF president gets in, you all will probably just start waving the pom poms again.
Finally: Again, NO, I did NOT like it then. NOR do I like it NOW. Unlike the people I'm ranting about. Unlike them, at least I AM CONSISTENT!!!
Oh. To counteract the first argument I may get here, I give you a repeat of civics class 101. CONGRESS writes the bills,the president only signs or vetos them.
<rant complete> <kicking soapbox>
Did something in particular happen this evening that tipped you over into the rant mode?
Your rant is sophomore at best.
Along with the under the table legislation designed to potentially take away our freedoms in the US. The EXACT! repeat EXACT! same things were happening over the 8 years their personal BFF president
How about some details on what you are referencing as far as "taking away our freedoms." Who is calling you a "traitor," Terrorist lover," or a "islamofascist?"
a lot of the current and past nasty legislation was written / co written /wildly supported by Sen.John McCain. ( Of whom I still wonder how much of the North Vietnamese brainwashing stuck with him. )
John McCain is also involved in some very good legislation. It sounds like you have a personal issue with him. Maybe you should reconsider using his plight as a POW so lightly. He endured more pain and suffering than most humans on this planet.
Sorry ya all. You are a little too late to the party and I really suspect it is a little too late to do anything about it now. Plus, it's a WAY too late for me to take your outrage seriously. So........
We are a little to late? Who are talking about? You sound a little preachy here, as if you have all the answers. As if you have a grasp on our political situation here in the US that the average American does not.
I guess you see why others would not take your pretentious outrage seriously either.
And again: who is "y'all?" Who are you speaking to..?
it was pretty damn funny Made me laugh.
The clip was good. Our Congress has been doing that since long before most of us were born. Do we not all know this and commented hundreds of times about this?
By the way Robert posted I was thinking this might be a fairly new epiphany to him.
Lashing out is usually your initial reaction once you figure something like this out...
Buck: Short answer: I am surrounded by a group of loud, obsessed, short term memory impared, arch conservative born again evangelical christains who can't remember what they had for lunch last week.
Yesterday they were whining about the law obama signed this summer potentially removing the civil rights of anyone, including US citizens"they' decide is a terrorist. (It is related around the NSDD and the AMUF if you actally want to do your own research. I've recently done enough for "them". ) They are convinced that obama and the evil liberals are behind it. (actualy McCain helped write it and the only reason Obama threatened to veto it was it didn't give him enough power. McCain is still trying to modify it so the "government" can remove anyones US citizenship for being what the define that day to be a terrorist. )
BTW: Did you know that the US government considers anyone who is a "prepper" or a "survivalist" to be a potential terrorist? That catches a lot of conservatives I know. This also predates Obama.
The day before that they were whining about how the NSA is now listening to domestic communications. I reminded them that was allowed by the patriot act. Signed by their BFF president.
During the debate before it was passed, and after it passed they accused me of being the "misinformed, ignorant, traitorous, terrorist loving, dumb, blind, Islamofascist, evil, godless whack job liberal" ( You know, it kinda like what RDB and a couple of his buds often launched into on these forums. If memory serves me, I think you were more polite in your disagrement with "us" Civil Libertarians. ) They actually had the gall to say that they never remembered doing anything like that, nor even liking the idea of the patriot act. They followed up with the selective amnesia defence. "Uhhh, could you give me documentable proof that we read, agreed with or said any of that stuff?"
The week before that they were complaining about several of the executive orders Obama recently reinforced, and added to (that bush II originally came up with) and how, only just now, are reaching the edge of dictatorship. ( You can look these up on the web. it taint that hard ) I spent half a day clearing up their selective anmeisa with documentation because they are too lazy / scared / dumb to look things up themselves. They replied by changing the subject. ( F'ing Chickens..... )
A few days before that they were digging up the birth certificate thing........ again..... I didn't even bother that day....
A little before that they got "confused" on which side of the Supreme court said there is no
constitutional right to privacy. They were thinking the liberal side. Think Scalia instead.
As far as McCain, if you think he is so freedom loving, do a little research on the bills he has proposed over the last decade. I'm tired of doing everyone elses research. Not just the ones that passed or got a hearing. But then again, he is trying to keep us all "safe"......... Just like obama is.
As far as being too late. Good .luck on getting the NSA back to their original mission. Good luck on reigning in the TSA. Good luck on getting anyone in the government to release any power they've grabbed in the past decade. Good luck on the precious 2nd amendment after the rest of them get short circuited.
Yes, my last couple paragraphs may sound a little preachy. but I'm getting tired of people who have suddenly flip flopped on a whole slew of issues they thought were the best thing since sliced bread when their BFF administartion passed the stuff. But suddenly started getting scared spitless of it after november 2008 and 2012. I don't have all the answers, but I do have the SAME answers I was giving them a decade ago and today they sound a lot like the answers they are giving me now. Sadly, they don't seem to remember ever having any other opinions than what they have today. I guess George Orwell had it right.
Finally, "the epiphany" is happening to a lot of the people around me. What once they rabidly defended. they now mistrust and they've rewritten enough of their own memories they can't even remember what they once stood for. I would be more amused than annoyed if it was so pathetic.
Oh, I forgot one: They were quoting several webistes last week taking issue with obamas current use of drones in the sandbox. they actually had the balls to ask me to dig them up proof that the US was using them outside of Iraq and Afganistan during the Bush II years! Because none of them remembered anythibng like that.
BTW: the word is soph·o·mor·ic / sophomoric.
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Short answer: I am surrounded by a group of loud, obsessed, short term memory impared, arch conservative born again evangelical christains who can't remember what they had for lunch last week.
Well I have been surrounded by a group of loud, obsessed, short term memory impared, arch liberal, born again (insert any alternative religion) agnostics who can't remember what they had for lunch last week.
So what's your point?
I'm tired of doing everyone elses research.
You are not doing my research. I know what McCain is involved in. And he is a major player in some good legislation.Especially campaign reform. Just because you might not agree with his political philosophy does not mean anything he is doing is any worse than what any number of Dems have tried to pull in Congress. You not agreeing does not make someone else wrong.
And still, who the hell are these people you are talking about? Are you saying we are doing it in this group? Am I one of these people? Are you complaining about another group?
This is where you know people have run out of relevant things to say:
the word is soph·o·mor·ic / sophomoric.
You are right, "sophomoric" would have been a better choice. But "sophomore" is still an adjective and could probably be defended as proper usage.
Anyway, means nothing, as does your rant.
Yes, there are fukktards in every spectrum of the American political discussion. This is not unique to conservative or christian people, which seems to be your focus...
I agree with this one:
(Yes, there are fukktards in every spectrum of the American political discussion. This is not unique to conservative or christian people,)
A also agree with this one:
(Well I have been surrounded by a group of loud, obsessed, short term memory impared, arch liberal, born again (insert any alternative religion) agnostics who can't remember what they had for lunch last week.)
Of course nearly all of the whack job liberals I know think I'm a misinformed, ignorant, dumb, blind, fascist, evil, god blinded whack job conservative. Go figure. I guess that means I average out to being a moderate.
I also agree that McCain has done many good things. (Most of that stuff was pre 9-11 though. After 9-11 he seemed, in my occasionally humble opinion, go slightly insane in a 1984ish direction. )
But I have one question. That I suspect you will answer differently than the "others" I'm talking about. For, you do have a brain. You also claim to be up on aaaaallllll the "stuff" he's proposed since 9-11 and have appeared to be consistent in the past.
If McCain's identical proposals that civil libertarians like me oppose, within the next few months, came out of the mouths of Pelosi, Obama (or from whomever, the other two liberal horsemen of the apocalypse are this week) Would you still be all rainbows, unicorns, and having happy happy thoughts and no complaints about the possible long term effects and potential for later abuse and misuse?
I don't know if you noticed it with "your" liberal friends (assuming you're even paying attention to them) but a large majority of the liberals I know don't like obama because he is considered to be "center right" by them. "My" liberal whacks dislike Obama for most of the same reasons "my" conservative whacks dislike him.
Although "my" liberal friends opinions on the issues I mentioned previously haven't changed all that much since 2002. They at least are consistent in those particular areas. Most of them actually voted Obama only because they apparently decided Obama was the lesser evil.
On the other hand, and this is the big hand. The source, the point, the original reason for my rant. For there is a reason. (Bet you thought I'd never get there) ( It is a repeat of what you've apparently overlooked before in your ire. Sorry but that’s the way it goes)
It is...... the complete, absolute, total, 180 degree opinion shift on issues I've watched "my" particular conservative "friends" (and others like them.) Along with the sources they read, watch and trust, polymorph through over the last 4 years. What was hunky dory under an administration they loved to a fault, is now all dark, evil, scary and dangerous. Also, it's ALL the current administrations fault. The previous administration has no blame towards it. I'll bet you do converse with people like this regularly.
All of the people I ranted about appear to be either in full denial, are hypocrites or have the memory of a goldfish. Plus they still think I'm a misinformed, ignorant, traitorous, terrorist loving, dumb, blind, Islamofascist, evil, godless commie, whack job liberal. But what really freaks them out is that they can't face the fact that they are starting to agree with me on issues. Watching them freak out and try to bluster out of that corner really amuses me.... most of the time.........
I don't know which is sadder, denial, hypocrisy or being quote - unquote "dumb". I do know which one annoys me the fastest.
Now...... FINALLY!........why my rant happened and why it happened here.
after aaaaallllllll my words that came before. I'll bet you can't wait to hear it.
Simple: My conservative whack job "friends" were the ones who pushed me over the edge first. When ya gotta vent, ya gotta vent. I figure you do understand that one.
This rant wasn't deliberately directed at this particular group. But I'll bet it does apply in spades to some of the members.
The rant ended up here because this "not too dead" of a C2 group was the one I happened to be looking at when they spouted off yet another piece of absolute hypocritical garbage. So you all got to listen to it. After all, ranting is no fun if no one listens to it.
Thank you all for listening. Much appreciated. I feel better now.
Gotta admit though. this did boost the traffic here. Unfortunately it's only the two of us doing the boosting. Curse you facebook!
BTW: You used to be a lot less bitter and "touchy". With a lot less ad hominemisms in your commentary. What brought on the new you? ( Obama won again? ) I don't think anything I said hit too close to home, did it?
Buck. I liked the old you better. Hope he's not gone for good.
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Robert, I have seen you around for many years now and although we have been involved in the same conversations at times. We have not personally had back and forths(good or bad) with each other that I can recall.
I always come here and rant, sometimes pissed off rants, sometimes happy rants. Glad you felt free to do it here because you most certainly are welcome to do so. Plus, you did breathe a breath back into the group, which is a good thing.
I think sometimes when people say you were this way 8 years ago, why not now? So much happens in a day, a week, a month, a year, a lifetime. These events many times may change a certain thought or emotion you may have felt about something. Sometimes toughening the stance, sometimes weakening it.
I like to attribute it to growth from experience.
The above has no relevance to the left, right, inbetween discussion. It goes more to the thought that people change. I know I have through the years, through experiences. I don't think I'd want to be the person I was 10 or 20 years ago. Although it suited me at the time, maybe not so much now.
I think so long as you live a good and honest life. That is good enough.
As far as the wackos on either side or any side of anything. Extreme is just that. Pushes an issue to a point of my side only. You never achieve anything when you are to extreme in one direction.
I think flexiibility in thought and action is the way to go. Each day, each event, each problem, each joy, each person deserve to be treated in a one on one fashion. Sometimes the outcomes of thought regarding any event can vary a bit depending.
I think generally compromise and productiivity can be fulfilled when not so rigid.
Not that I am flip-flopper on many issues. I will admit the degree to which I believe in them varies from time to time depending on circumstance.
Does that make me a hypocrite? Maybe????
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BTW: You used to be a lot less bitter and "touchy". With a lot less ad hominemisms in your commentary. What brought on the new you?
Responding to your rant is being touchy? I see what you are trying to do there but it was hardly being touchy. It was simply addressing some things I found to be a little off in what you were saying.
I don't think You don't know me very well. Those posts were about as tame as it gets...
I absolutely agree with everything you said. people do change over time. Opinions change over time. that is a part of growth. The alternative to growth isn't something most of us want to contemplate. In those cases I don't consider it hypocritical. that was why I didn't
consider several legislators to be "flip floppers".
The "changes" I do consider to be hypocritical are:
1) Changes in "political" or "other" opinions on issues that constantly bounce back and forth depending upon who is in charge. Or who they are with at the time. (BTW: my biggest complaint about Romney )
2) Changes in opinion when the person(s) who changes their mind can't / won't admit or "can't remember" that they've changed their minds. I do have one exception to that and I don't think the people I was ranting about suffer from dementia. (Maybe some other things though........)
3) People who spent years ( I'm not sure which word to use here ) Bullied? Browbeat? insulted? people for their opinions. Then after changing their minds "don't remember” doing any of that stuff over that issue. But still "bully?" the same people over issues they have not changed their mind over.
4) People who loudly and rabidly defend their way of life, lifestyle, moral code, religion (or lack thereof ), morals, pet constitutional amendments, etc. But gleefully do everything in their power to remove the same freedoms they hold dear from everyone else they disagree with.
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Robert, I have no idea what you're talking about, I don't remember. Sorry couldn't resist.
I agree with what you have written above. As far as Mitt, I never really was a huge fan, not the first time or this one. I just never warmed up to him so to speak. I think the republican primaries were a disgrace. I also think they led to his downfall ultimately. They went on to long and tried to please a certain portion of voters.
Mitt would have been better off staying more true to himself and not so nutso in some areas causing reversal when the general election came about. I guess they do what they do and then it bites them in the ass in end. At least you hope it bites them in the ass at the end.
That is not saying I think President Obama doesn't play the same game, maybe to a lessor degree or maybe just not as noticeable. I don't respect it. I would rather disagree with someone who is true to their belief or direction rather than have someone tell me what I want to hear but not mean it. Not saying either of the two speak to me really in any way.
As far as the loyal followers of any given candidate. What to do....
I live my life trying to maintain independence. I don't judge people necessarily for a life style or way of living and thinking. I am a true believer in to each his own. I do my thing, they can do theirs so long as it harms no other.
That includes being gay or being a religious. So long as your way of life harms no other, it's all good to me. Unfortunately, many times it does have negative results on another.
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Who was being bullied? Who was bullying? If whatever group you are talking about bothers you this much then just leave it...
That made me
I think Robert is speaking with regard to the entire scope of those he encounters, not just here. I could be wrong though.
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Hey Buck, check out the deer picture in the Hanukkah thread. I think you would appreciate it.
Suzanne. You hit it on the head.
Ooops! Hope I didn't hurt anyone
Good morning Robert...