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2 years ago

Science VS God

"Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?

"Yes sir," the student says.

"So you believe in God?"


"Is God good?"

"Sure! God's good."

"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"


"Are you good or evil?"

"The Bible says I'm evil."

The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment.

"Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"

"Yes sir, I would."

"So you're good...!"

"I wouldn't say that."

"But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."

The student does not answer, so the professor continues.

"He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"

The student remains silent.

"No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

"Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?"

"Er...yes," the student says.

"Is Satan good?"

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No."

"Then where does Satan come from?"

The student falters. "From...God..."

"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"

"Yes, sir."

"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"


"So who created evil?"

Again, the student has no answer.

"Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness. All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"

The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."

"So who created them?"

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question.

"Who created them?"

There is still no answer

Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.

"Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor. I do."

The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"

"No sir. I've never seen Him."

"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"

"No, sir. I have not."

"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter."

"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

"Yet you still believe in him?"


"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?"

"Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith."

"Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own.

"Professor, is there such thing as heat?"

"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

"And is there such a thing as cold?"

"Yes, son, there's cold too."

"No sir, there isn't."

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.

"You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than -458 degrees. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

"What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?"

"Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?"

"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light.. but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester.

"So what point are you making, young man?"

"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with and so your conclusion must also be flawed."

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed?

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2 years ago

"Flawed? Can you explain how?"

"You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it."

"Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"

"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."

"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going.

A very good semester indeed.

"Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

"To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean."

The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter. "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.

Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "I guess you'll have to take them on faith."

2 years ago

Burned Biscuits

When I was a kid, my Mom liked to make breakfast food for dinner every now and then. And I remember one night in particular when she had made dinner after a long, hard day at work. 

On that evening so long ago, my Mom placed a plate of eggs, sausage and extremely burned biscuits in front of my dad. I remember waiting to see if anyone noticed! Yet all dad did was reach for his biscuit, smile at my Mom and ask me how my day was at school. 

I don't remember what I told him that night, but I do remember watching him smear butter and jelly on that biscuit and eat every bite! 

When I got up from the table that evening, I remember hearing my Mom apologize to my dad for burning the biscuits. And I'll never forget what he said: "Honey, I love burned biscuits."

Later that night, I went to kiss Daddy good night and I asked him if he really liked his biscuits burned. He wrapped me in his arms and said, "Your Momma put in a hard day at work today and she's real tired.   And besides – a little burned biscuit never hurt anyone!" Life is full of imperfect things and imperfect people. I'm not the best at hardly anything, and I forget birthdays and anniversaries just like everyone else. 

But what I've learned over the years is that learning to accept each other’s faults - and choosing to celebrate each other’s differences - is one of the most important keys to creating a healthy, growing, and lasting relationship. 

We could extend this to any relationship. In fact, understanding is the base of any relationship, be it a husband-wife or parent-child or friendship! 

"Don't put the key to your happiness in someone else's pocket – keep it in your own."

Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

2 years ago

The Doll Maker

In a little village, there lived a crafts man by name Ebun, who made wooden dolls for children.
Ebun was so naturally gifted in his handwork that his fame spread to all the neighboring villages. People from all over the region came to buy wooden dolls from him or bring their broken dolls for repairs. He carefully studied the broken dolls and looked for the best way to mend it such that it looked exactly the way it was when he first made it.
Ebun had a little daughter for whom he made a very beautiful doll on her tenth birthday. The little girl was so much in love with her little doll that she always played with it along with her friends. One day while playing with the doll, the wooden doll got broken and the little girl cried and ran to her father with the broken doll. When she got to him she complained that her doll's arm got broken while she was playing with it. The father took time to listen to her complaints and then told her to leave the doll with him and come back later for it. The little girl said "no daddy you don't understand, all I want you to do is carve out another arm and polish it, and then use some glue or nail and join it back that's all !!. The father still tried to explain to her to leave the doll with him and come back after sometime for it because he made the doll and he knows how best to mend it when it is broken. The little grew impatient and said to her father, "Daddy, you are not doing it the way I want, you are too slow." With that statement the little girl grabbed the doll and left her father's workshop. The father called after her but she wouldn't come back, and he felt so sad.
Like that little girl, most of us take our problem to God and try to dictate how He should solve them to Him. We often fail to realize that God made us and He understands how best to handle all our daily problems if left at His feet.

2 years ago

WHAT HOLDS Your HEART? by David Wilkerson
What holds your heart right now? Does your soul yearn for Jesus, or for the things of this world?
A woman on our mailing list wrote this distressing note: "My husband was once on fire for God. For years he gave himself faithfully to the Lord's work but today he's all wrapped up in a new pursuit. He no longer has any time for the Lord. I worry for him, because he's grown so cold."
Jesus told a parable about this very kind of legitimate pursuit. A wealthy man sent his servant to invite all his friends to a great feast he was holding. But, Scripture says, the man's friends "all with one consent began to make excuse" (Luke 14:18).
One friend told the servant, "I just bought a piece of land, sight unseen, and I have to inspect it. Please tell your master I won't be able to come." The next friend told the servant, "I just bought a yoke of oxen and I haven't had time to test them. Tell your master I can't come, because I have to go into the field to plow with them." Yet another friend told the servant, "I just got married and I'm about to take my honeymoon. I don't have time to come to the feast."
This man had invited all his friends to enjoy an intimate time of fellowship with him. He had made all the arrangements for their comfort and convenience. The table had been set and everything had been prepared, but no one came. Everyone was simply too busy or preoccupied.
Each person had a good, legitimate reason for not coming. After all, they were not avoiding their friend so that they could go partying or bar-hopping. On the contrary, the Bible commends everything these people were doing: Buying and selling can provide security for one's family, and testing a major purchase is a sound business practice. Finally, marriage is a blessing that the Scriptures encourage.
Yet, how did this wealthy man react? Scripture says, "The lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. For I say unto you, that none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper" (verses 23-24).
Jesus makes a very clear point in this parable: Each of these good, legitimate things becomes sinful when it takes priority over the Lord.

2 years ago

Determined To Hear

Have you ever done something because someone believed in you; or because that person applied some positive pressure or placed a requirement on specific talents or skills they knew you possess? The principle is a proven one: We do things we did not really think we could, things we probably would not even attempt just because someone believes we can and demonstrates confidence in us. The principle is also spiritual: Surrounded by people of faith, we grow spiritually because their mentor-ship encourages spiritual fruit in our lives . . . spiritually and practically they place a demand on God’s gift-deposit within us.
In all of this a faith exchange takes place that has similarities to the way we personally seek the Lord. For example, have you ever wanted to hear the Lord so desperately that you began to pull on Him . . .  to place a demand upon Him in prayer, confident and trusting in His promises and determined to hear? Jesus taught the disciples to do just that; to press with expectation, to knock so doors would open for them, and seek with determination until they’d found the object of their search.
The Lord’s response to your seeking occurred before you pressed; He goes ahead of you and calls you forth by His own faith to prosper your efforts; He is determined to bless everything you put your hand to, and does not hesitate to apply some pressure to get you moving in the direction of the thing He has waiting for you: You know a piece of the puzzle but He has the big picture; you’re reluctant and uncertain you can do it but He is certain you can; you lack bold direction for how to begin but He, as your Source, is leading you . . . and HE is determined you WILL hear!   
Matthew 7:7, Luke 11:9, Rev 3:20, Verses @ Once  Read January1, 2012, click here

2 years ago

More GREAT QUOTES -Sermonindex
"No flesh shall glory in His presence, and the religious flesh is no more acceptable than the irreligious." - T. Austin-Sparks
"Worry is a cycle of inefficient thoughts whirling around a center of fear." - Corrie ten Boom
"Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength." - Corrie ten Boom
"The Holy Spirit has come to make the life of Jesus Christ real in your flesh." - G.W. North
"He looks today, as He has ever looked, not for crowds drifting aimlessly in His track, but for individual men and women whose undying allegiance will spring from their having recognized that He wants those who are prepared to follow the path of self-renunciation which He trod before them." - H. A. Evan Hopkin
"Your life is like a coin - you can spend it any way you wish, but you can spend it only once." -Unknown

2 years ago

Seated With Him

“For he raised us from the dead along with Christ, and we are seated with him in the heavenly realms--all because we are one with Christ Jesus. And so God can always point to us as examples of the incredible wealth of his favor and kindness toward us, as shown in all he has done for us through Christ Jesus."  Don’t forget the position God has given you. You are seated with Him and your day is filled with spiritual insight for understanding; you are seated with Him and have that enviable position from which to address the things you will face today:
And we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us understanding so that we can know the true God. And now we are in God because we are in his Son, Jesus Christ. He is the only true God, and he is eternal life. Dear children, keep away from anything that might take God's place in your hearts." Don’t forget. Always take the high road. Those closely connected to God are strong and do exceptionally well, always taking the high road with poise to raise the bar for everyone around them. Seated with Him, you are known for your wisdom and have discernment for exactly what to say. Hallelujah! Amen!
Eph 2:6-7 NLT, 1 John 5:20-21 NLT, Verses @ Once Read January1, 2012, click here

2 years ago

The Land of Your Anointing 

There is a land for each of us—a location where the anointing in our lives rings more true, is more connected, and finds greatest expression. Apart from this special placement we do not flourish in the best way and to the fullest extent possible. It’s why Abraham kept moving.
Some are in the right field but wrong department; for others the region is right but not the town; and for other reluctant souls, “familiar” borders corral destiny until it would take something out of the ordinary to dynamite them out!  
It’s time to go there . . .  the place He tells you, the place He will show you! Despite success experienced elsewhere, success in the appointed place is greater:Now the Lord had said to Abram: Get out of your country, from your family and from your father’s house, to the land that I will show you. (Gen 12:1)


Genesis 12:1, Genesis 12
Read January 1, 2012

2 years ago

It's 12/12 and here is today's scripture: If you remain in me and follow my teachings, you can ask anything you want, and it will be given to you.   John 15:7

2 years ago

A master calligrapher was writing some characters onto a piece of paper. One of  his especially perceptive students was watching him. When the calligrapher was  finished, he asked for the student’s opinion – who immediately told him that it  wasn’t any good. The master tried again, but the student criticized the work  again. Over and over, the calligrapher carefully redrew the same characters, and  each time the student rejected it. Finally, when the student had turned his  attention away to something else and wasn’t watching, the master seized the  opportunity to quickly dash off the characters. “There! How’s that?,” he asked  the student. The student turned to look. “THAT…. is a masterpiece!” he  exclaimed.
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2 years ago

Sons of the Morning

Brightest and best of the Sons of the morning!
Dawn on our darkness and lend us thine aid!
Star of the East, the horizon adorning,
Guide where our Infant Redeemer is laid!

Cold on His cradle the dewdrops are shining,
Low lies His head with the beasts of the stall;
Angels adore Him in slumber reclining,
Maker and Monarch and Savior of all!

Say, shall we yield Him, in costly devotion,
Odors of Edom and offerings divine?
Gems of the mountain and pearls of the ocean,
Myrrh from the forest, or gold from the mine?

Vainly we offer each ample oblation;
Vainly with gifts would His favor secure:
Richer by far is the heart's adoration;
Dearer to God are the prayers of the poor.

Brightest and best of the Sons of the morning!
Dawn on our darkness and lend us thine aid!
Star of the East, the horizon adorning,
Guide where our Infant Redeemer is laid!

2 years ago

Christmas in Heaven

I've had my first Christmas in Heaven A Glorious, wonderful day. I stood with the saints of the ages, who found Christ the Truth and the Way.
I sang with the Heavenly Choir: Just think: I who longed so to sing! And oh, what celestial music we brought to our Savior and King!
We sang the glad songs of redemption, How Jesus to Bethlehem came, And how they called His name Jesus, That all might be saved through His name.
We sang once again with the angels, The song that they sang that blest morn, When shepherds first heard the glad story That Jesus, the Savior, was born.
Oh, how I wish you had been there: No Christmas on earth could compare With all the rapture and glory We witnessed in Heaven so fair.
You know how I always loved Christmas; It seemed such a wonderful day, With all of my loved ones around me The children so happy and gay.
Yes, now I can see why I loved it: And oh, what a joy it will be When you and my loved ones are with me: To share in the glories I see.
So dear ones on earth, here's my greeting: Look up till the day dawn appears, And oh, what a Christmas awaits us, Beyond all our parting and tears.

How much do Americans know about Christmas?
2 years ago

How Much Do Americans Know About Christmas?

When I was kid a long, long, long time ago in a state far, far, far away, everyone knew that Christmas was the celebration of the birth of Jesus.  Yes, we had Santa and presents and a tree, but the main focus was still on Christ.

Several centuries later, secular commercialism has taken over and fewer Americans know what Christmas is all about.  Some don’t even have a clue that it all started with the celebration of Jesus’ birth.  Many who do, have little other knowledge like where was Jesus born, who were the three wise men and what did they bring as gifts.

How much do you know about the true meaning Christmas?  Do you know why Jesus was born in Bethlehem?  I would have been very curious to hear how those few who properly identified the gifts the wise men brought, responded to the question of why those three gifts.  You see, as our nation drifts further and further away from its Christian roots, we are also drifting away from the real meaning of Christmas.

Myrrh was an oil commonly used to anoint the crowning of a king.  The gold was a common tribute to kings and rulers.  But the frankincense is the gift that confused many.  It was a strong perfume that was commonly used on the dead to offset the smell of death, which made it an odd gift to present to a newborn.  The wise man or king who brought the frankincense knew that the baby they were honoring would end up sacrificing his life and suffering the taste of death that we all must experience.  Christmas is not just a celebration of Jesus’ birth, but a window to His future death on the cross.

As you gather with your family and friends this Christmas season, please take time to read the account of Jesus birth in the Book of Matthew as it is the only one that mentions the Magi and their gifts.  Take the time to explain the importance of their visit and what their gifts were and why they gave those specific gifts. And don’t forget to link in Christ’s future death on the cross for OUR sins. It will add so much meaning and richness to your holiday if you do.