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Carbon Tax Scam/Cap & Trade May 04, 2010 11:38 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax

Sounds good on the outside but as with many things in life, the tax is easily manipulated by Government to not offset carbon but as a tool to control and eliminate small business and the populace.

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Global Carbon Tax Fraud May 04, 2010 9:13 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhvLUZluZNc

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 May 27, 2010 10:14 AM

And it is because of this tax that the "right" wing and Sarah Palin have decided that Global Warming does not exist.  At least according to what I have read.  Don't have the references at the ti[p of my finger but it makes sense.

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 May 27, 2010 12:01 PM

Hi Donna, Is it okay to reference this thread here?

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=23820&pst=915825

I think it has a lot to do with each other because those who are behind the "Carbon" scam are the same ones who are behind the "Green" scams and they use all kinds of ways to scam us. We should make it our business to recognize all of the hats they wear.

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Nancy May 27, 2010 12:01 PM

That's just one part, thousands of scientists, 30,000, say Global Warming is just propaganda, not based on scientific proof.

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 May 27, 2010 12:21 PM

Well said Wildone...

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 June 02, 2010 9:44 AM

Tuesday, June 1, 2010
NASA stonewalling Climategate FOIA
Several Freedom of Information Act requests have gone unfulfilled by the space agency

WASHINGTON, DC—On May 27th, Christopher C. Horner, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute filed a lawsuit to compel NASA to comply with several overdue FIOAs submitted in relation to the Climategate scandal.


In question are email exchanges among other documents from NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GIS. Mr. Horner believes the emails will be another unraveling of the global climate alarmism that has been demonstrated to be backed with bad and manipulated data by scientists at East Anglia University in Britain.


This development is not news to those who have long questioned the science and motives of those purporting the end of the world via greenhouse gas emissions. But the mainstream media has largely ignored the Climategate
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 June 02, 2010 9:46 AM

But the mainstream media has largely ignored the Climategate scandal as reporting on it may afford skeptics more credibility. One would think legitimate scientists would not relish joining lawyers in the public’s perception of careers. But their silence to reveals a choice not go against the status quo.


Until real opposition is given to the grant fetching global research field, the public will be left to conclude on its own green policies. And that is happening in Great Britain, where residences are taxed and pay fees to offset the crisis; they are asking why alarms continue to be sounded louder and louder when more and more money is spent combating the problem.



--Killswitch Politick

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Mann made June 02, 2010 11:52 AM

Just like the hockey stick theory from Michael Mann. Mann made crock of sh*t is what it is. He is Al Hores Mann all right. Even Tipper doesn't believe his BS any longer.

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 June 03, 2010 2:19 PM


 via E-mail:

DEMS USE OIL SPILL FOR SECRET ENERGY TAX BILL

ALERT: Obama's Slow Response To BP Oil Spill Catastrophe Allows Virtual Destruction Of Gulf Coast To Promote Cap And Tax

The BP oil spill was the best thing to happen to Democrats and their latest plot to steal our money and spend it. While the rest of the country was focused on the oil spill, Obama and his cohorts John Kerry and Joe Lieberman met behind closed doors to put the finishing touches on their Cap and Tax bill. The bill is even more of an underhanded Liberal power grab than ObamaCare. Just like ObamaCare, this bill is yet another step in Obama's master plan to eventually tax the American people until we have no more money.

Obama promised over and over again that he would run an open administration and make the public aware of what was happening in Washington. What a joke. The public has NO IDEA what is REALLY happening in Washington because Obama does not want us to. Behind closed doors, Obama, Kerry and Lieberman used Chicago style thug politics to push the Cap and Tax bill. And you can be sure they will keep using their gangster style politics to get this bill passed.

This phony environmental bill will stick a big fat tax on gas. It will manipulate heating prices so they skyrocket and our families are left freezing. I guess we will have global warming to keep us warm. Every time you decide to do a load of laundry you might as well write a personal check to Obama and his fat cat bureaucrats. Who knows where these taxes will stop. Pretty soon we will have to write a check to the government every time we breathe.

Washington is yet again thumbing its nose up on businesses. The bill wants to TAX businesses according to the amount of carbon they admit. American jobs will vanish and be given to countries with no carbon tax like India or China. We are struggling to emerge from one of the biggest recessions in history and now Obama wants to make yet another backhanded move to kill jobs and businesses.

What is even more confusing about this bill is we are being taxed for something that DOES NOT EXIST. Global warming has not been proven to be factual. Climategate exposed "scientists" at University of East Anglia who were happily doctoring up data to promote the Liberals favorite lie: global warming. And who could forget Al Gore's "factual" power point predicting global warming would result in the end of the world as we know it. Al Gore was right about predicting one thing: that global warming would bring him back into the spotlight.

Obama's despicable motivation to eventually tax us until we can't afford to live normal, comfortable lives must stop. Does he understand that if people become so overtaxed they won't even want to work because what's the point of working when your paycheck is paying some green energy government worker to develop more "environmental taxes."

THIS IS A FIGHT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE. YOUR FUTURE IS AT STAKE AND ALSO THE FUTURE OF YOUR FAMILY.
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Shocker: France Ditches Carbon Tax Plan June 03, 2010 8:16 PM

From the UK’s Telegraph:

France ditches carbon tax as social protests mount

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor
23 Mar 2010

President Nicolas Sarkozy on Tuesday scrapped the country’s proposed carbon tax and reshuffled his cabinet in populist tilt after suffering a crushing electoral defeat over the weekend, when his Gaulliste UMP party lost every region other than in its bastion of Alsace and the Indian Ocean island of Reunion.

The vote saw a resurrection of both the Socialist Party and the far-Right National Front, showing how the delayed effects of rising unemployment can change the political landscape long after recession has passed. The jobless rate has risen to 10.1pc, up from 8.7pc a year ago. A quarter of those aged under 25 are out of work.

The government said its energy tax was being postponed indefinitely in order not to "damage the competitiveness of French companies", fearing that it would be too risky for France to go it alone without the rest of the EU. Brussels has announced plans for an EU-wide tax, but the initiative already looks doomed.

Chantal Jouanno, the environment secretary, said she was "devastated that eco-scepticism had prevailed". France’s leading green groups wrote a joint letter to Mr Sarkozy saying they were "scandalised" by his decision, accusing him of tearing up a pledge to put climate change at the centre of his presidency

Meanwhile, Mr. Obama and the Democrats cannot wait to impose a carbon tax on the US. And if they can’t do achieve it through legislation, they will do so through executive order.

And, unlike the French, no crushing electoral defeats will stop them.

What do the Democrats care if people lose their jobs?

‘Let them eat carbon credits.’

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Obama Blames Bush For Oil Spill June 03, 2010 9:10 PM

Wall Street Journal video

Joe Rago breaks down the myth of deregulation

"Obama wants to use BP as a political foil to pass Cap & Trade"

http://online.wsj.com/video/opinion-journal-obama-blames-bush-again/584251C7-1B62-441B-882A-D3B60141B720.html?mod=WSJ_Article_Videocarousel_1

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Petition Opposing Cap-and-Trade June 04, 2010 3:27 AM

Petition Opposing Cap-and-Trade

http://www.nocapandtrade.com/petition/

WHEREAS Climategate has revealed that some of the world's foremost climate researchers have engaged in a pattern of data manipulation, suppression of dissenting views, undermining of the peer review process, destruction of documents requested under Freedom of Information laws and outright fraud; and

WHEREAS proposed United Nations Global Climate Treaties intend to establish an un-democratic world government which would undermine our national sovereignty; and

WHEREAS the Cap-and-Trade legislation will impose an 'energy tax' on all goods and services produced in the United States; and

WHEREAS gasoline and electricity prices will, in President Obama's own words, "necessarily skyrocket" under a cap-and-trade scheme; and

WHEREAS cap-and-trade schemes are projected to cost US taxpayers over USD1 trillion per year; and

WHEREAS the adoption of cap-and-trade would result in millions of additional US job losses; and

WHEREAS cap-and-trade would disproportionately inflict economic damage on the poor and middle-class; and

WHEREAS the U.S. economy is already in deep recession and cap-and-trade schemes could result in an additional USD7 trillion loss in our Gross Domestic Product; and


WHEREAS the claims of carbon-driven anthropogenic global warming (AGW) are unproven and are, in fact, contested by over 31,000 scientists (compared to fewer than 50 on the United Nation’s International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) who claim AGW is a serious and immediate problem); and

WHEREAS global temperatures have not risen since 2000 and data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration demonstrates that the earth has actually been cooling for the last 4 years; and

WHEREAS new research from MIT has dispelled one of the key underpinnings of anthropogenic global warming theory (the notion that more long-wave radiation is trapped in the earth's atmosphere when temperature rises); and

WHEREAS the touted, climate benefit of cap-and-trade schemes is that global surface temperatures will be one-tenth-of-one-degree cooler than currently projected in one hundred years, if one even accepted the contested claims of AGW.

THEREFORE I do hereby petition Congress to immediately cease all climate change legislation and instead conduct a formal investigation into the apparent fraud that has been perpetrated upon the American people. I also demand that the United States withdraw from the United Nations Climate Treaty process.

Cap-and-trade schemes would benefit a select group of wealthy individuals on the backs of hard-working American families who will see absolutely no benefit from this policy, not even after having paid for a cap-and-trade scheme for 100 years.

Say "NO" to all cap-and-trade schemes.
Your petitions signature will then be forwarded to responsible Congress members and the head o state.
http://www.nocapandtrade.com/petition/

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Boycott CAP AND TRADE Supporters June 04, 2010 3:49 AM

Americans boycott Capandtrade corpsBoycott
American families and businesses are being economically threatened by cap-and-trade schemes.  
If cap-and-trade is approved, Americans can expect to pay thousands of dollars every year in “carbon taxes”.  
Millions of American jobs will be lost as companies seek more business-friendly locations elsewhere in the world.  
All this for what proponents acknowledge will at best result in 1/10 of 1 degree temperature change in 100 years!

But:
But these facts don’t seem to matter to those corporations that have joined forces with the green lobby in supporting cap-and-trade.  
Some corporations stand to make millions as the result of cap-and-trade.
Others have simply caved in to the political pressure from the green lobby.  
Regardless of their reasons, all of these companies are undermining American citizens by supporting cap-and-trade.

BOYCOTT TARGETS
      BP America
      Lamar McKay, President
      630-420-5111

      Businessweek
      Keith Fox, President
      212.512.2511

      Clif Bar
      Gary Erickson, President
      510-859-2283

      Coca-Cola
      Alexander Douglas, President N. America
      404-676-2121

      Chrysler
      Sergio Marchionne, CEO
      800-992-1997

      e-Bay
      John Donohoe, President
      800-322-9266

      Ford Motor Company
      William Ford, Chairman
      800-392-3673

      Gap Inc.
      Glenn Murphy, CEO
      650-952-4400

      General Electric
      Jeffrey Immelt, CEO
      203-373-2211

      General Motors
      Fredrick Henderson, CEO
      313-667-5000

      Google
      Brent Callinicos, Vice President
      650-253-0000

      Hewlett Packard
      Mark Hurd, President
      650-857-1501

      Johnson & Johnson
      William Weldon, CEO
      732-524-0400

      Levis Strauss & Co.
      John Anderson, President
      415-501-4373

      Newsweek
      Tom Ascheim, CEO
      212-445-5245

      Nike
      Mark Parker, President
      212-367-4447

      PepsiCo
      Indra Nooyi, CEO
      914-253-2000

      Starbucks
      Howard Schultz, CEO
      206-447-1575

      Timberland
      Jeffrey B. Swartz, President
      603-773-1212

Use the Message Form to send e mails to these corporate executives:
http://www.nocapandtrade.com/boycott-message/
Maybe your next shopping tour will lead you away from these corporations stuff?
If so, please share - WE ARE THE PEOPLE, decide what WE re buying...

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 June 05, 2010 5:52 PM

THANKYOU HEINZ!

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President Obama calls for a price on carbon. June 05, 2010 5:55 PM

In a recent speech at Carnegie Mellon University, President Obama called for a price to be put on CO2 emissions, in order to move us on the path towards renewable energy. He figures the market will help do the rest.
 
" ...the only way the transition to clean energy will succeed is if the private sector is fully invested in this future, if capital comes off the sidelines and the ingenuity of our entrepreneurs is unleashed. And the only way to do that is by finally putting a price on carbon pollution."

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 June 08, 2010 2:15 PM

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Received this email from a friend: June 10, 2010 9:15 PM

Obama created CCX a company that sells carbon credits, and he and several of his investers would stand to lose alot of money if Cap and Trade were to fail.

Al Gore invested
George Soros invested
The Clintons invested
Goldman Saches invested
Warren Buffet invested
The Joyce Foundation invested
SEIU invested
ACLU invested
Shure Bank invested
Rothchilds invested

All these people and many more invested in CCX, and are not about to lose money
Whats are the lives of 11 worth, and how billions in investments are worth more than a few peons lives.
The reports of shrimpers, say there were 4 explosions, and having worked on a rig myself you know there would only be ONE.
Where are the Truthers, as It was Obama and the group of investers in CCX that blew up the rig.
Thereby creating a crisis so Obama could push his cap and trade policies. Which would force every single company, individual in this country to purchase carbon credits
From guess who. CCX enough said.



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Gulf Oil False Flag To Push Cap & Trade? July 03, 2010 10:02 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvjTBT67GAE&feature=watch_response

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 July 04, 2010 2:42 AM

Those economic and finance persons are setting at offices  thinking how to get more money from public... bills ... bills ...bills, at the end salaries will go to the bills.

Increase income then think of bills, find jobs then ask for payments.?!

Where all of this money GOES it is the question? to health insurance or services, to education, to building, to job creation ? it is a real problem?

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Abo July 04, 2010 4:22 AM

Absolutely, It's important to vizualize the Government grunts sitting in their offices, crunching numbers, creating reasons for taxing us into enslavement.

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 July 04, 2010 12:41 PM

I'm moving my own post here from another thread.

 

Yeh Im thinking its a false flag now, not an accident. All being controlled to make certain damage is done by the tar balls and dispersents so they can force people out of the Gulf states. Its a takeover and they profit off the cap & trade scam too.

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 July 04, 2010 1:00 PM

Global warming is real science, but it has been hijacked by the government as a tool of fear.  This planet has gone through many cycles in its history to include global warming and ice ages they are part of the natural cycles of the planet.  To say that humans are the cause of global warming is false, humans do contribute to the factor but it is such a small contribution that it is negligible.  True, we do fill the air and waters with toxic waste affecting the environment but again we have little effect on the warming of an entire planet. 

This still does not affect my wanting to buy and maintain an alternate energy unit on my house, and the ability to be off the grid as much as possible.  This will protect me from the government induced power outages and other tactics they may use to try and control the citizens. 

Obama blames Bush for oil spill?  Bush should blame Katrina on obama. 

The boycott targets……  are not most if not all of these companies part of CFR?

Oil spill false flag?  Very possible.  Look at all the people who bailed out of BP stock shortly before the “accident”. 

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 July 07, 2010 1:46 PM

Well, shame on me for being no naive.  I felt that Kerry cared about the environment but now you tell me that he is making deals behind closed doors to subvert all of what he is proclaiming to stand for.  I also saw that there is a threatening action carried on between the parties when one party wants to pass a bill.  So it does not matter what party is the majority, these men want something and they get the backing from the opposite party through threats.  America needs another party to fight these elitists.

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 July 07, 2010 2:16 PM

Yes Nancy. The Internationalists/Elitists are on both the Dems. and the Rep. they are playing us all against each other while they own both horses in the same race.

They must keep our illusion of control intact otherwise we would riot. Special interest groups were all formed and created by the Progessives to ensure that each party had the people's trust and vote.

A game...one huge game and we are the game pieces.

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 July 07, 2010 2:33 PM

Cant be sure a 3rd party would change anything either. The Green & Libertarian Parties run pretty much the same way as the Repubs & the Dems from what I hear so say there was a new 3rd party called Patriot Party, whos to say it wouldnt be business as usual?

Until parties and office holders are held accountable for their actions, we wont have representatives that represent the people.

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 July 07, 2010 3:13 PM

Term limits...term limits...term limits.

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 July 07, 2010 3:16 PM

I was only been invited 2 days ago, but by reading so many of your comments, it appears to me that many of you have more insight and experience as to what is going on than I.  After viewing the debt bomb and learning how these people work, I am just sick. Especially learning that Al Gore, who made that documentary about the environment, is involved with a company who is reaping benefits from the carbon credits.  I have been clicking on Care2 to help buy credits but please someone tell me that this is not going directly to him

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 July 07, 2010 8:39 PM

Nancy, I dont know but if anyone else on this group knows, hopefully theyll step up and explain it to you.

Good you joined us!

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Al Bore July 07, 2010 8:51 PM

Bore cashed in his concience so long ago---- He is pulling mad cash from somewhere- Did you know that in his movie he stole some special effects from a disney film!!!! The glaciers that collapse into the ocean were CGI from a disney movie, I think one of the ice age jobs. And he practically started the movie with them! at no point in the movie does he say that it was CGI..........  [ send green star]
 
 July 08, 2010 3:53 AM

It hard to believe that man can do such harm to the earth and if he does something does not cause all the threads to the earth it is so small things and man can do something even if it is little to help and reduces what ha does as planting trees, flowers etc, decrease use of useing coal and wood fier.

The earth changes along the years and cenuries might be a real cause.

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 July 08, 2010 5:02 AM

Gore exploits the earth by using it to scare the inhabitants into buying into his carbon credits scheme. What a guy. 

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guliible us. July 10, 2010 10:27 PM

They use the "Big Lie Technique" form Hitlers Mein Kampf. Check it out on the net if you have not read it. It helps explain a lot and you will not get so confused the next time you hear of another scare.
Global Warming is a lie - period!
It is just the natural shift of the earth's volcanoes that is creating the warming effect. Nothing to do with pollution or drilling or anything else.
But, we are being chemicaled, toxined and polluted to death.

I have not had a chance to read the cap and trade bill and confirm this but I was alerted to a little thing called the homeowners license where homeowners are going to get charged a fee for a license to own their own home each year. Now it is only supposed to be dollars but we all know how that goes in a few years it will be thousands if true. Plus, you have to do all these requirements and will not be allowed to sell your house if your ratings are no good and have not complied with these extra costly requirements.
Bad bill and only supports the Orders agenda.



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 July 17, 2010 1:46 PM

I would do anything for cap-and-trade, but I won't do that (play on Meatballs song)Utilities are trying to pull off the scam of the decade

http://www.grist.org/article/2010-07-14-utilities-are-trying-to-pull-off-the-scam-of-the-decade/

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 July 22, 2010 11:16 AM


 Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home 9:14 AM

We encourage you to read the provisions of the Cap and Trade Bill that has passed the House of Representatives and being considered by the Senate.

We are ready to join the next march on Washington! This Congress and whoever on their staffs that write this junk are truly out to destroy the middle class of the USA....

A License Required for your house

Thinking about selling your house - A look at H.R. 2454 (Cap and trade bill) This is unbelievable!

Only the beginning from this administration! Home owners take note & tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!

Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Cap and Trade Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. H.R. 2454, the "Cap & Trade" bill passed by the House of Representatives, if also passed by the Senate, will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced.

The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year.

* No one is excluded.

However, once the lower classes feel the pinch in their wallets, you can be sure these voters get a tax refund (even if they pay no taxes at all) to offset this new cost. Thus, you Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class America will have to pay even more since additional tax dollars will be needed to bail out everyone else.

But wait. This awful bill (that no one in Congress has actually read) has many more surprises in it. Probably the worst one is this:

* A year from now you won't be able to sell your house. Yes, you read that right.

The caveat is (there always is a caveat) that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it. But, if not, then forget it. Even pre-fabricated homes ("mobile homes") are included.

* In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator.
* To get this permission, you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured.
* Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be forced to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements.
* Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a "label" in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner.
* If you don't get a high enough rating, you can't sell. And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act.

The EPA administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009") and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he alone determines to be in the government's best interest. Requirements are set low initial y so the bill will pass Congress; then the Administrator can set much tougher new standards every year.

* The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings.
* However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time.
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 July 22, 2010 11:20 AM


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Sect. 202:
Building Retrofit Program mandates a national retrofit program to increase the energy efficiency of all existing homes across America .

Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act.

You had better sell soon, because the standards will be raised each year and will be really hard (i.e., ex$pen$ive) to meet in a few years. Oh, goody! The Act allows the government to give you a grant of several thousand dollars to comply with the retrofit program requirements if you meet certain energy efficiency levels. But, wait, the State can set additional requirements on who qualifies to receive the grants.

You should expect requirements such as "can't have an income of more than $50K per year", "home selling price can't be more than $125K", or anything else to target the upper middle class (and that's YOU) and prevent them from qualifying for the grants.

Most of us won't get a dime and will have to pay the entire cost of the retrofit out of our own pockets. More transfer of wealth, more "change you can believe in."

Sect. 204:
Building Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes a labeling program that for each individual residence will identify the achieved energy efficiency performance for "at least 90 percent of the residential market within 5 years after the date of the enactment of this Act."

This means that within 5 years 90% of all residential homes in the U.S. must be measured and labeled. The EPA administrator will get $50M each year to enforce the labeling program. The Secretary of the Department of Energy will get an additional $20M each year to help enforce the labeling program. Some of this money will, of course, be spent on coming up with tougher standards each year.

Oh, the label will be like a license for your car. You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label. And, just like your car license, you will probably be required to get a new label every so often - maybe every year.

But, the government estimates the cost of measuring the energy efficiency of your home should only cost about $200 each time.

Remember what they said about the auto smog inspections when they first started: that in California it would only cost $15. That was when the program started. Now the cost is about $50 for the inspection and certificate; a 333% increase. Expect the same from the home labeling program.

Sect. 304:
Greater Energy Efficiency in Building Codes establishes new energy efficiency guidelines for the National Building Code and mandates at 304(d), Application of National Code to State and Local Jurisdictions, that 1 year after enactment of this Act, all state and local jurisdictions must adopt the National Building Code energy efficiency provisions or must obtain a certification from the federal government that their state and/or local codes have been brought into full compliance with the National Building Code energy efficiency standards.

a license required for your home - Google Search

H.R. 2454: American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us)

That comes from this forum:
http://www.nachi.org/forum/f14/cap-and-trade-license-required-your-home-44750/

I will add his updates/other comments below
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 July 22, 2010 11:55 AM


  9:32 AM

NOTE:
Since this bill became effective {July 2009} there have been over 3,000 changes! That is right 3,000 changes!

So.... In the next two weeks, I will be reviewing these sections to see if they have any more negative {or positive} effects on this bill.

{At MY last count the bill was 1,824 pages long! So do not call me or contact me unless you have read the ENTIRE bill!}

I took the time and trouble to read sections 202, 204, and 304 BEFORE I did a "Cut & Paste" and forwarded it to this website!

If you are truly concerned I suggest that you do the same!

If you want more information go to this website! http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2454/text

PS: Two people have contacted me to tell me that they “checked the facts” on Snopes and Fact check and that these two websites “Debunked” the information that I have posted.

With ALL Due Respect…. I have found that some "informational" websites have their own political agenda {s} and I trust them as much as I trust a grocery store tabloid! When this bill first came out, I got my information directly from the “Open Congress Website” listed above.

ALL of the information that I posted was on this bill but…. Like I said there have been 3,000 changes since this bill first came out!

So… Once again… If you are truly concerned, I suggest that you read the ENTIRE bill to see what if any changes have been made that make you happy or unhappy and then contact your Senator / Congressman to tell that that you are for or AGAINST this ENTIRE bill!


MORE INFORMATION.....

There have been over 3,000 changes to this bill since it first came out!
There have been some … Behind closed doors "Good Old Boy" shady deals made.
Changes made at one, two and three in the morning!


That’s right!

* Three-in-the-morning!

Why would our elected official do that? Why?.... To include “Special Interests / PORK” in this bill!

At MY last count this bill had 1,824 pages to it.

* The information that I posted was FACTUAL at-the- time-that-I first read it!
* “Fact Checks" and other "Informational" websites have verified that. {Since then "Changes" have been made.}

More information from "Fact-Checks"

Quote Fact-Check:
A Republican aide in Congress, who didn’t want to be quoted by name, blamed the confusion on Democrats making changes to the bill in the wee hours of the morning.

The aide told FactCheck.org that the amendment limiting the labeling requirements to new homes only was brought before the House Rules Committee just after 3 a.m. …. on-the-day members of the House voted on the bill.

Those who claimed that the bill would require energy audits and labeling for existing homes were probably unaware of the new version, the aide said, adding:
"When you make changes to a bill while everyone in America is asleep, this is what happens."

NOTE:
So.... "Changes" have been made but......
I have worked on several Legislative Bills in New Hampshire. I have seen that just because the “house” takes something out of a bill does NOT mean that the Senate cannot and or will not put it back into the bill.

I have seen biased provisions taken out of a bill by the House and seen the Senate agree with the House’s decision and uphold their decision.
* I was disgusted to see that once the Bill was passed the “Committee / Board” that oversaw a bill make an “Amendment by Committee” to include the biased provisions that were taken out by either the House or the Senate!
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 July 22, 2010 11:59 AM


Dynamite 11:12 AM

I've already warned people this was coming and no one believed me.

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I told people when I first got here that Clinton got this idea from us here in British Columbia.  He was here when our 'carbon tax' came in and tripled our heat and light bill in ONE month!  He hailed this as the 'biggest money grab' a government could find!

He is behind a lot of what Obama is doing and is talking out of both sides of his dang mouth.

They are banking on Americans getting tired.  Laying down like dogs and just giving up. 

YOU MUST NOT GIVE UP!!!

I intend to send this out in a news card to every member of FSM and hope all of us who are group owners will do the same.  This must be passed around.  I have also been busy posting this in site I belong to all over the net as well as the Journalist affair. 

The left here at Care 2 has long controlled the front page news and I realize we are a mixture of all party affiliations.  But we need to put our differences aside and start taking back a measure of control simply by noting each others post and taking over that front page in order to get the truth out there!

Isn't it time we join together and start fighting back?  Sir Robert trots through every group announcing what he has posted.  He is trying to get the message out there and keep the alarm going.  We need to help him.  We need to help each other to stop this madness in America.

What say all of you?  PLEASE NOTE THESE NEWS STORIES and help us take over the front page ....

Sir Robert

http://www.care2.com/news/member/510010530?sort=submitted

NE

http://www.care2.com/news/member/714476182?sort=submitted

Maria

http://www.care2.com/news/member/176597074?sort=submitted

Northern

http://www.care2.com/news/member/141952877?sort=submitted

Add your link and lets support each other!!!

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 July 22, 2010 12:04 PM

People keep saying it's been taken out or that that is not what it says or that the senate bill is way different and doesn't contain it, but we all know that they slip things in and out during reconciliation.

Sorry for not putting it here, I was trying to hurry and forgot to look for an existing thread. for moving it.  



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No problem Dynamite July 22, 2010 3:21 PM

Perhaps the cap & trade housing situation needed a thread of its own anyway because of its importance.

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 July 23, 2010 11:50 PM

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 July 24, 2010 6:59 AM

Dynamite, As if rents werent high enough already, extortion is what they are but as soon as (2011?) this law requires them to upgrade their houses, duplexes, apartments & MH to bring them into compliance, rent is going through the roof, no pun intended.

Homeless & hungry are going to fill the streets is my prediction.

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 July 26, 2010 2:10 AM

Wild ,  I agree the streets will be flooded with the homeless, poor , biggers "if I can call them so".   

What can be done then to prevent this? it is a big question needs answer!

People needs to have the chance to survive, and many bills are paid, where are all of that money goes and ahe economic crisis still? suffering contiues.

I think a question to be raised to the tax office and senetors ... in DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES investigation of some kind might be needed. 

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 July 26, 2010 5:04 AM

Absolutely agree Abo!

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Obama says:"Electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket" July 26, 2010 5:11 AM

JUST IN OVER THE WIRES!
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=361111&CategoryId=14095

Peru Government Declares Cold Wave Emergency in 16 Regions

LIMA – The Peruvian government declared a state of emergency because of the cold wave gripping a number of districts in the nation’s 16 regions, according to an urgent decree published Saturday in the official gazette.

The decree covers all districts of the country more than 3,000 meters (9,800 feet) above sea level, as well as three regions in the Peruvian jungle that have registered strangely low temperatures in the last few weeks.

According to official figures, so far this year at least 409 people have died of pneumonia and ailments related to the cold weather, most of them younger than 5 years old (200 deaths) and over 60 years (158 deaths).

The emergency declaration, which has a duration of 60 days, covers districts in the regions of Ancash, Apurimac, Arequipa, Ayacucho, Cusco, Huancavelica, Huanuco, Junin, Lima, Moquegua, Pasco, Puno and Tacna, which in recent days reached a temperature of -24 C (-11 F).

A state of emergency was also declared in the jungle regions of Madre de Dios, Ucayali and Loreto.

The decree published Saturday also includes a series of measures that will allow regional and local governments to supply the affected populations with food and vaccines.

The armed forces were also called upon by Defense Minister Rafael Rey to carry out civic actions to help those populations most vulnerable to the cold.

If it's hot, it's global warming.
If it's too cold, it's global warming.
If we have storms, it's global warming.
If we don't have storms, it's global warming.
If we have drought, it's global warming.
If we have floods, it's global warming.
If the kid down the street gets a flat tire, it's global warming.
If my boss is an asshole, it's global warming.
If my dog %#&!*% in the yard, it's global warming.
If it snows in June, it's global warming.
If I win 20.00 with a scratch-off ticket, it's global warming.
If Al Gore has a fever in his crotch, it's global warming.
If some Moron on craigslist or a community site says global warming is an emergency situation that the cap & trade scam is going to fix then we all just better get with the program.

Did I about cover it?

I think I'm beginning to understand how this works.

We should pass legislation that allows Multi Millionaires to trade Carbon Credits, and (in Obama's own words)...

In a famous interview with editors of the San Francisco Chronicle (Jan. 17, 2008), then-Senator Obama admitted the price of electricity would go up. Way up. In his words:

“Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket … because I’m capping greenhouse gases -- coal power plants, natural gas, you name it -- whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money; they will pass that cost on to consumers.”

Obama further explained how it would be necessary to persuade the American people that although there would be “some increase” in electricity rates, “over the long term -- because of combinations of more efficient energy usage, and changing light bulbs, more efficient appliances, but also technology in proving how we can produce clean energy -- the economy will benefit.”

He did not promise that rates would eventually come down or even that it would be possible to develop the necessary technology. He only said that the economy would “benefit” and the argument must be made “ersuasively enough” for Americans to accept the plan.
Here is the video proof! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Heres-what-Obamas-electricy-rates--89261947.html

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 August 08, 2010 8:33 AM

Thats good "for now" but one of the most insidious things about politicians today is the way they just keep coming back and pushing their agendas. They do it again after the smoke clears. First they try to sneak it in and if that doesn't work they keep whining like an obnoxious child who keeps whining til they get their ice cream cone. Both of these tactics are unethical but work nonetheless.

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The largest legal "Scam" and "Heist" in world history August 17, 2010 7:12 PM

We who watch FOXNEWS are already aware of this scam that is being perpetrated on Americans. Those who are not aware, or prefer other means than FOXNEWS, can investigate it by other methods and decide for their own, but please do it soon before the senate takes up "Cap & Tax (Trade). It will absolutely 'CHANGE' America ! IT GETS JUICY AT THE END. This is a very interesting explanation of why Obama is fighting so hard to push through the Cap & Trade bill. Ever heard of the CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE, known as CXX ? Read on...then you decide if the country needs "Cap & Trade." So . . . you think you know quite a bit about Obama and his band of thieves? You don't know anything yet. Read on all of this as it all comes together in the last part........ a must read. This is an interesting article put together by the British Times paper. It shows what Obama and his friends are really all about. It's not hope and change, it is money. The first part is a little boring, but stick with it. The second part connects all the dots for you (it will open your eyes). The end explains how Obama and all his cronies will end up as multi-billionaires. A small bank in Chicago called SHOREBANK almost went bankrupt during the recession. The bank made a profit on its foreign micro-loans (see below) but had lost money in sub-prime mortgages in the US . It was facing likely closure by federal regulators. However, because the bank's executives were well connected with members of the Obama Administration, a private rescue bailout was arranged. The bank's employees had donated money to Obama's Senate campaign. In other words, ShoreBank was too politically connected to be allowed to go under. ShoreBank survived and invested in many "green" businesses such as solar panel manufacturing. In fact, the bank was mentioned in one of Obama's speeches during his election campaign because it subjected new business borrowers to eco-litmus tests. Prior to becoming President, Obama sat on the board of the JOYCE FOUNDATION, a liberal charity. This foundation was originally established by Joyce Kean's family which had accumulated millions of dollars in the lumber industry. It mostly gave funds to hospitals but after her death in 1972, the foundation was taken over by radical environmentalists and social justice extremists. This JOYCE FOUNDATION, which is rumored to have assets of 8 billion dollars, has now set up and funded, with a few partners, something called the CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE, known as CXX. It will be the exchange (like the Chicago Grain Futures Market for agriculture) where Environmental Carbon Credits are traded. Under Obama's new bill, businesses in the future will be assessed a tax on how much CO2 they produce (their Carbon Footprint) or in other words how much they add to global warming. If a company produces less CO2 than their allotted measured limit, they earn a Carbon Credit. This Carbon Credit can be traded on the CXX exchange. Another company, which has gone over their CO2 limit, can buy the Credit and "reduce" their footprint and tax liability. It will be like trading shares on Wall Street. Well, it was the same JOYCE FOUNDATION, along with some other private partners and Wall Street firms that funded the bailout of ShoreBank. The foundation is now one of the major shareholders. The bank has now been designated to be the "banking arm" of the CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE (CXX). In addition, Goldman Sachs has been contracted to run the investment trading floor of the exchange. Now, here are the INTERESTING parts. One ShoreBank co-founder, named Jan Piercy, was a Wellesley College roommate of Hillary Clinton. Hillary and Bill Clinton have long supported the bank and are small investors. Another co-founder of Shorebank, named Mary Houghton, was a friend of Obama's late mother. Obama's mother worked on foreign MICRO-LOANS for the Ford Foundation. She worked for the foundation with a guy called Geithner. Yes, you guessed it. This man was the father of Tim Geithner, our present Treasury Secretary, who failed to pay all his taxes for two years. Another founder of ShoreBank was Ronald Grzywinski, a cohort and close friend of Jimmy Carter. The former ShoreBank Vice Chairman was a man called Bob Nash. He was the deputy campaign manager of Hillary Clinton's presidential bid. He also sat on the board of the Chicago Law School with Obama and Bill Ayers, the former terrorist. Nash was also a member of Obama's White House transition team. (To jog your memories, Bill Ayers is a Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago . He founded the Weather Underground, a radical revolutionary group that bombed buildings in the 60s and 70s. He had no remorse for those who were killed, escaped jail on a technicality, and is still an admitted Marxist). When Obama sat on the board of the JOYCE FOUNDATION, he "funneled" thousands of charity dollars to a guy named John Ayers, who runs a dubious education fund. Yes, you guessed it. The brother of Bill Ayers, the terrorist. Howard Stanback is a board member of Shorebank. He is a former board chairman of the Woods Foundation. Obama and Bill Ayers, the terrorist, also sat on the board of the Woods Foundation. Stanback was formerly employed by New Kenwood Inc. a real estate development company co-owned by Tony Rezko. (You will remember that Tony Rezko was the guy who gave Obama an amazing sweet deal on his new house. Years prior to this, the law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland had represented Rezko's company and helped him get more than 43 million dollars in government funding. Guess who worked as a lawyer at the firm at the time. Yes, Barack Obama). Adele Simmons, the Director of ShoreBank, is a close friend of Valerie Jarrett, a White House senior advisor to Obama.

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Continued August 17, 2010 7:19 PM

Simmons and Jarrett also sit on the board of a dubious Chicago Civic Organization. Van Jones sits on the board of ShoreBank and is one the marketing directors for "green" projects. He also holds a senior advisor position for black studies at Princeton University . You will remember that Mr. Van Jones was appointed by Obama in 2009 to be a Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House. He was forced to resign over past political activities, including the fact that he is a Marxist. Al Gore was one of the smaller partners to originally help fund the CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE. He also founded a company called Generation Investment Management (GIM) and registered it in London , England . GIM has close links to the UK-based Climate Exchange PLC, a holding company listed on the London Stock Exchange. This company trades Carbon Credits in Europe (just like CXX will do here) and its floor is run by Goldman Sachs. Along with Gore, the other co-founder of GIM is Hank Paulson, the former US Treasury Secretary and former CEO of Goldman Sachs. His wife, Wendy, graduated from and is presently a Trustee of Wellesley College. Yes, the same college that Hillary Clinton and Jan Piercy, a co-founder of Shorebank attended. (They are all friends). Interesting? And now the closing... Because many climate studies have been exposed as scientific nonsense, people are slowly realizing that man-made global warming is nothing more than a money-generating hoax. As a result, Obama is working feverishly to win the race. He aims to push a Cap-and-Trade Carbon Tax Bill through Congress and into law. Obama knows he must get this passed before he loses his majority in Congress in the November elections. Apart from Climate Change he will "sell" this bill to the public as generating tax revenue to reduce our debt. But, it will also make it impossible for US companies to compete in world markets and will drastically increase unemployment. In addition, energy prices (home utility rates) will sky rocket. But, here's the KICKER (THE MONEY TRAIL). If the bill passes, it is estimated that over 10 TRILLION dollars each year will be traded on the CXX exchange. At a commission rate of only 4 percent, the exchange would earn close to 400 billion dollars to split between its owners, all Obama cronies. At a 2 percent rate, Goldman Sachs would also rake in 200 Billion Dollars each year. But don't forget SHOREBANK. With 10 trillion dollars flowing though its accounts, the bank will earn close to 40 billion dollars in interest each year for its owners (more Obama cronies), without even breaking a sweat. It is estimated Al Gore alone will probably rake in 15 billion dollars just in the first year. Of course, Obama's "commissions" will be held in trust for him at the Joyce Foundation. They are estimated to be over 8 billion dollars by the time he leaves office in 2013, if the bill passes this year. Of course, these commissions will continue to be paid for the rest of his life. Some financial experts think this will be the largest "scam" or"legal heist" in world history. Obama's cronies make the Mafia look like rank amateurs. They will make Bernie Madoff's fraud look like he was the "tooth fairy".... PASS THIS ON UNTIL EVERYONE IN AMERICA KNOWS THE CORRUPTION THAT GOES ON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.... THIS IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING! "WE THE PEOPLE" DESERVE BETTER SO MAKE SURE TO VOTE THEM OUT THIS NOVEMBER AND IN 2012! According to 'Truth or Fiction': Shorebank Bailed Out Because of Connections With Obama-Unproven and Under Investigation! Summary of the eRumor: This is a forwarded email about Shorebank in Chicago. The email says that the Illinois financial institution had close ties with President Obama's Administration and alleges that this relationship helped to push a private bailout to save Shorebank from bankruptcy. The Truth: The Shorebank in Chicago, Illinois was financially troubled during the recession, received a Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP) bailout and there is now an investigation for possible political pressure "applied to force several major Wall Street firms to bail out the bank before it was liquidated by banking regulators," according to an August 4, 2010 Fox Business News article. The article also said that Neil Barofsky, the Special Inspector General for TARP, had "agreed to earmark $75 million to help ShoreBank survive, has now bowed to pressure from Congressional Republicans and has agreed to investigate charges that key officials in the Obama White House, as well as FDIC chief Sheila Bair, pressured Wall Street firms to donate money to keep ShoreBank alive." News of this originally broke in a Fox Business News exclusive back in May 19, 2010 Barack Obama did serve as a board member of an advocacy organization for gun control and environmental issues known as the Joyce Foundation, according to a 2008 political profile posted on the Washington Post web site. Click for profile. On May 21, 2010, Fox News commentator Glenn Beck did a report on the political ties between Shorebank and the Obama administration. Click here for report. In an August 6, 2010 article in the Chicago Sun-Times that said Shorebank, known for its history of supporting low-income borrowers, has "failed to secure a $75 million federal bailout as a follow-up to $145 million it raised in May from Wall Street's biggest players." The Chicago Sun-Times article also said, "The White House has denied direct involvement in the ShoreBank matter, saying the president has left decisions to regulators." updated 08/06/10

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Thanks Ed August 17, 2010 8:06 PM

Important info.

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Scam August 17, 2010 8:27 PM

Damn scammers in Washington are worse than the ones on the net.

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 August 18, 2010 6:14 AM

Great post Edward! It's this kind of information that keeps us smarter. They cannot win without us...

Again, great article.

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Cap & Trade: Gaming The System October 06, 2010 3:53 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6JRVpkicE4

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 October 06, 2010 1:57 PM

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Carbon Tax Scam/Cap & Trade October 07, 2010 10:11 PM

All of these j...a.... are vested in this so called clean energy.  Tax, tax, tax, & more tax is the fix.

Gore got rich on global warming. All of the environmentalists & animal preservationists beg for money & jump in private jets polluting as they fly to foreign banks.

Take the blinders off. Wash the mud from your eyes. Use your brain & think.  Scam crammed down our throats.

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Carbon Tax Scam October 08, 2010 3:15 PM

I a sorry that this is off topic but today for the first time since I joined Care2 - I received 2 viruses. Thankfully I have an anti-virus program and was protected. But also I have been having another problem. Sometimes when I am commenting and am nearing the end of the comment - the screen scrolls up and does not let me insert the comment. Then I have to rewrite everything over again. Has anyone else received any viruses today? Please let me know. Thanks Nancy  [ send green star]
 
 October 08, 2010 6:45 PM

Nancy, No viruses but the screen does seem to be jumping on Care2 while posting.

Care2's got a case of the jumps lately.

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Obama Abandoning Cap & Trade? November 03, 2010 12:01 PM

He also virtually abandoned his legislation — hopelessly stalled in the Senate — featuring economic incentives to reduce carbon emissions from power plants, vehicles and other sources.

"I'm going to be looking for other means of addressing this problem," he said. "Cap and trade was just one way of skinning the cat," he said, strongly implying there will be others.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101103/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama

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 December 02, 2010 1:58 AM

 

As a believer, God created all things to be free. 

These intelligencia are taking all freedom from everyone.  They are the real morons & greedy ones; lusting for power, control, & wealth.

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