Enlightenment means literally being filled with light. A synonym is Illumination. The nature of the universe is light. We are beings of light.

I began to see the light that is normally hidden from the senses first as many pulsating dots of light in a horizontal wave on the wall of my room.

The conscious realization that I am a divine being was given to me in 1999. I never before had such an intense feeling of peace and joy as in that moment.

I remember that I was sitting, and my senses closed to the outer world and I began a process of introspection, journeying through seven concentric levels of my being (I remember counting them as I passed through each one) until I was left with a glowing sphere of divine love. I think this is what is meant by the permanent atom or the divine spark. Later I understood that this was a holon which is both particular to my individual being and the totality of existence. Normally when we think of encompassing the entirety of the cosmos we think of going outwards equally in all directions, but the spiritual reality works in the opposite way.

After that experience I was entirely different. I felt infinitely joyful and loving to everybody in the world, and I embodied the intention.

I've been investigating what my experience signifies every since.

For example, where does the light I first saw come from? Zoroastrians believed the light literally comes out of the eyes and illuminates what you see. Science says our eyes receive light that is "out there".

Also, aren't we interconnected with all life in the universe? In what way then? Could it be that the literal reality is that we are actually by the act of imagining all life in the universe, we are creating strings of light connecting us with each and every being everywhere and perhaps even everywhen who are themselves light? Modern science is in the process of corroborating this with the realization that everything is vibration and founding a new paradigm based on the realization that everything is vibration and light. Some people see sound. Remember that we're only wired into this particular way of perceiving reality. How might disembodieded awareness be able to perceive?

Also, the alchemists and mystics of old drew diagrams with a person in the center and concentric circles around them representing the whole universe. People talk about bridging the inner and outerworlds, which would be represented by a circle inside the individual.

In the aura diagrams in the book Hands of Light, there is the immediate energy field around the body and then there is a distinct level around that  which is referred to as a macro level of the aura.

I came to understand that whatever I experienced in my divine awakening was a resonance with the macrocosm, the great everything with my being.

We are energy balls flowing in the great stream of being. Our vibration, our intention, connects us with events that to the unaccustomed seem random. Yet things in the outer environment appear with such frequency in synchronicity with the ruminations of our consciousness that it becomes clear that something amazing is happening. For example, a course of thinking continues from a thought to another and some detail reminds you of a friend whom you don't see too often, and then you see that person an instant later? Did you enter that stream of thought because you were going to see that person? Investigating these issues with clarity can bring tremendous clarity to our consciousness.

Also enters the issue of the power of the mind on reality. Its fun to experiment on yourself unstuffing your nose for example by poking a hole through the clog with your mind to allow for the passage of air and actually feeling it happen. There are beings who develop this ability tremendously and can do things that are like miracles to us, curing people of terrible afflictions or manifesting a flower out of thin air. On the other hand, as our collective human reality is becoming enlightened, we and the earth are ascending in vibration, less dense and more subtle, thought manifests quicker until in our enlightened reality, which I pray will be absolute in scope and for everyone, thought manifests instantaneously!

Now I hope that the already present realization of the importance of our thoughts and how they actually create reality reinforces the sense of responsibility in aligning ourselves with positive thoughtstreams. Saturate every atom of our being with peaceful intention, every photon in our light body with love, and fill your heart with joy! The importance of this is an incredibly powerful fact, and until we are permanently resonating with the perfection we need to remind ourselves repeatedly to fill our minds with life sustaining intention.

What about dealing w/ problems? Learn to observe w/o amplifying it. Improve the situation!

Where is the midpoint between causing an event with the mind and perceiving one before it happens?

Take morphogenetic fields, where say one person cracks a puzzle that has been around for some years, and suddenly the next day a dozen people independently solve it because the information energy is "ïn the air." Like the two guys who invented calculus on the same day but one was able to prove that he finished formulating it first so he took the credit. But isn't it possible that the other guy actually initiated thinking about the specific thing first and the other was picking up on his thoughts?

The way to actualize peace is to live from a cooperation with the ultimate best for everyone and away from the dominance of rationality masking egocentric obsession. Realizing that "Ï" am everything and everyone: what I do to myself I do to everyone and what I do to anybody I do to myself, on a mystical level.

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Dear All

Thank you for your longing on enlightenment. Only purpose of human life is to be enlightened, and the result will be the journey towards our origin, kingdom of god, home of the master or simply home. Home of the soul is the level or stage of absolute peace.

We (The soul) are made of light, which are the parts of God. And when we see the light and hear the sound by our inner eye and inner ears and practicing this every day (Meditation on light and sound) we ensure a permanent bond with our origin (The sound or The Word, in Bible). It was also called heavenly music, shabd or sound current.

This was the teachings of all past Masters and the present ones. They taught the disciples how to meditate on light and sound; by the way of oral explanation and invisible transmission (Initiation). Living Master is a must for connection with the sound. To step into the spiritual worlds, we need a good guide who knows the place inside out, who has the authority over the powers of the levels from physical to all the way to our home.

It is good to see things and have other experiences, but if we want to prepare ourselves to go home, it is wise to find someone who knows the subject, like if we want to learn something new, or something we have forgotten we find an expert or a teacher to show us how to, and there is always a few living Masters available to every generation. God is generous and will not want any of us to be lost, thus sending messengers or sometimes coming Hirmself to help us.

IF WE ARE HUMBLE AND HAVE FAITH WE WILL BE SHOWN HOW TO GET BACK HOME. WE WILL GET ENLIGHTMENT THROUGH INITIATION BY AN ENLIGHTENED MASTER AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE GOD, OR AT LEAST CHILDREN OF GOD.     

LIGHT OF GOD BE WITH YOU

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Every now and then i must repeat basic rules of the game. Advertising is not allowed!

Guru Nanak was hell of a guy, and his succedor guru Singh was good guy too, but i personally think that Yoga of Sound is not best choice for Westerns. You could find aat least a better topic then this one here dear .... for your advertising on guru yoga of spiritual masters of Sikh`s. Other thing worthy of mention is that guru is not a must for your enlightenment. Look at me. I had no teacher, and i did it better then all of teachers.

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And on the end -we don`t want to go home. We want to stay here forever! But since we can`t we create some other worlds, like home or god. If death wouldn`t exist nobody would have a need for Enlightenment. Nobody would like to become "free" if we could live forever. And that is the best answer on the question from above - what is Enlightenment. It is our only way to deal with death and not to lie ourselves.  Enligthenment is the only real and true answer on eternal question about end of human existance.

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Dear Eclipse

Your topic called ‘what is enlightenment?’

You did not ask ‘what is enlightenment for western people?’

I thought that enlightenment belongs to all and posted my comments.

I apologise if it sounded like an advertisement.

If we want enlightenment or we are enlightened we are automatically should be very open minded.

According to my understanding Sound is mentioned in Bible. St John says that the Word was with God and Word was God. The word is the vibration of universe. Everything comes from Word and goes back to Word or Sound. Some scientists are working on this subject already, for example, the string theory.

You also said “Look at me. I had no teacher, and I did it better then all of teachers.”  That is very good. But we can never compare ourselves with others (especially enlightened Master) if we never had the chance to know them. I can also cannot comment on you because I do not know you.

According to my experience the enlightenment means SEEING THE LIGHT by YOUR THIRD (VISDOM EYE.) And then HEARING the SOUND with YOUR INNER EARS. It is as real as seeing with your external eyes and hearing with your external ears. This happens to ALL; White, Yellow, Brown, Black, and so on.) If one is sincere and humble. 

And, living forever; do you mean with this mortal body? I can only tell you that that is only an illusion. Physical things (like our body) will be created and die. We (humans) used to live longer when we followed the Law of Universe, but these days this is not the case. You as a SOUL live forever.

But I can safely say that when your body dies, or you come out of your body you carry on seeing and hearing. This is also from my own experience, of course by the Grace of God. As Jesus Christ said that it was not Him but the Father does it. So even the Son of God Himself is being humble and not accepting credit. Everything occurs by God's Grace.

I hope that this information is useful.

God Bless You    

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That was not an information - it is your opinion.

I cannot explain over and over my rules for every newbee here again - please read "Defining our rules" in our archive. It clearly states that i shall not allow representation of some other`s idea except of your own. If you have your own original teaching- you are free to advertize it here, just start a new topic for it, and everything is just fine. Advertizing your master`s teaching or school to witch you beling will not be permitted. You can certainly have your own group for this purpose.

Word enligthenment is very unhappy chosen word for spiritual deliberation since it can have in enlgish language whole bounch of meanings. In Serbian language we have two words for enlightenment - one for intellectual and one for spiritual, and in India there are even more. What we mean by enligth. here is state of mind when we enligth some question, some riddle which we feel us ultimate for our existance. For this purpose we must become a question. Then we must become an answer. In enlightened state - we 'feel' we 'know' the answer but there is no way we can tell it.  

Off course -enlightment does not belong to any nation specially but..  it is hard to immagine some  Indian  guy who is traveling to USA to find enlightenment and use for that purpose some method created on west. That would be the day!Most of memers here are from west, and whole care2 is on the end made and created for west. And last but not less important is that due to spiritual sanctions implemented by me for west countries - readhing the ultimate truth and power will be much harder for people from that area then ever before. Why I did it, you can look for in Spirituality group, in topic from March 2006.

Light in 6th chakra? Yes it is Sant Math -or whatever? teacher of Yoga of Sound, definatelly, and there was some guy - guru Singh? if i recall properly.. Problem with this school which I through it away just soon as i read it, is that they know only for 6 chakras; don`t you know for 7th chakra where light becomes emtpiness, and all what exist is it light or dark, hate or love, become one in nothingness? that is something what you should see.

I really hate that association made from bible -in beginning there was a word (sound) and that what yoga of sound does. That are completely two different things, and there is really no justified connection between jewish religion and Sikh`s universal mysticism. Hummility is not a virtue here, so rellax and be cool. I constantly encourage people to show their real nature which is mean and violent, and discourage acting and pretending. Be who you are and dont afraid. Miserable is that guru who teach you to pretend. I like to see fair fight, strong attitudes and rebelious spirit.

Expirience is good thing but it is chaning, so wait just a little before you give some ultimate judgement about anything. Who knows what Christ would be thinking about all these if he had lived a little longer? BTW, was that guy enlightened? No, if we see enligthenment as deliberation, like they do in India. No, if we see enligthenment like rational mystical wisdom with witch we can understand laws of Universe. So, deliberation is just first condition for Real Enlightenment, and then you should activate your mind again and use it in one new and different way to understand things are happening around us which we call Creation.

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Thank you Eclipse

For giving me this information.

Yes, you are right saying that, with experience we can not claim to find the ultimate, God’s creation is said to be endless. Important thing is to progress with a safe method. There are, and have been various methods to reach enlightenment. And some went, but not entirely, on their own, but had very hard time. They stated that they reached to a state of nothingness but they did not know beyond. Real beauty is hiding just behind the nothingness. People who truly reach that state do not argue or debate any more. They may, if situation arises, tell others the Way to reach there. Of course people will try to create arguments or long debates instead of sincerely trying, thus missing the opportunity to master the method and progress.  

When we just read books and do not want to consult (This is one of the meanings of being humble) the living True Teacher (Of course if we can find one), there is a possibility of being lost.

Further on the subject of being humble; meaning may be slightly misunderstood. If you truly investigate, even in physical life, truly powerful, or truly superior beings are really humble. Those who violent, mean or aggressive are the ones live in fear; they are simply cowards. They are under the influence of negative power. These beings create misunderstanding by playing mind games, they run away and try to undermine simple solutions and simple truths, and they try to complicate things by their lack of understanding and by their ego.  So these attitudes are not our true nature (This is my opinion/understanding). I have been analysing some of these people, who have been in my life, and they are the ones who pretend to know everything, but the sad fact is that they cannot even solve simple problems because of their egoistic aggressiveness. So I am writing these not only my Guru tells me, but I also experience and analyse real life situations. So I hope you will not protest that I am advertising a Guru.   

You, most probably meant that we must show rock solid resistance against negative power. To me, that is the fighting spirit. We must defeat the negative with True Love. That is what the True Teacher teaches to His/Her disciples. Pretending and acting do not help the true practitioner, but make us fall.  

Humble compassion and love is the greatest quality which we inherit from our Father. If we truly exercise this then we can claim to have reached somewhere.

On the subject of past True Gurus; as I mentioned before we cannot or should not comment on somebody with whom we never lived with. True knowledge (Number of chakras, etc) of any Master cannot be 100% known by just reading books. Spiritual knowledge cannot be put on paper. That is why the Living Master is important. Can you learn, even a mundane trade or skill, by just reading the book of the dead qualified person? But if you work with the one you will get it in no time. How can we expect to safely learn such an important subject of the spiritual world by just reading books? This is illogical. And also to really understand a Real Teacher you must aim to reach to their level.

It has been a great privilege to communicate with you. I truly wish every success and contentment in your life. I also congratulate you for your brave and sincere efforts to find higher truths about your real self as this is the real purpose of this life.

God Bless      

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Suddenly i feel great sorrow for this guy.. 

Why everybody must to be part of some school, some path, some master`s circle.. why can`t you find something for yourself? alone but not lonely. there are invisible teachers, as well, and Universe is the greatest teacher of all.

So buddy - you are not the first one here who things that can give us a lesson, and spread great wisdom of your teaching, which is in your opinion highest achievement of all - 1st among equal?! Others are good but you are the best? maybe.. but who cares anyway? You mean (reading between the lines) that being polite critc is better then rude criticism? Here - in my group, no! I appreciate open fight even more. SO - if i become humbble and come on my knees in front of your teacher -which is off course you - yourself, maybe i shall learn something? and even become closer to the highest wisdom?? Mine!!! We are fascinated and delighted. But maybe, just maybe, i`ve already been there..

I felt pretty boring in that state of mind, and i wanted to come back here, so i can fight and argue, and be viiolent and mean again!! mmmm what a pleasure!! To be FREEEEEEE!!!! not a smilinig plant sutisfied with everything! is that God`s higher plan for us? off course not. Freedom is freedom of choice - and is there any choice in that state of existane? No.

So you can see that my Enlightenment is different for spiritual Enlightenment. It was not hard for me to achieve taht kind of ENlightenment, it was much harder to get back here and live a life. Much much harder.. but if i could choose again, i would choose the same. In this moment of history, old spiritual enlightenment is of no use any more. We need to be usefull, to be able to help this Earth, in action not just meditating and be happy. Today we need animals not plants. We need practical wisdom, and real Enlightenment. With wich we can understand, what is going on? Why the World is like this? why it is happening what is happening, why people are doing what they are doing, where we are going?

Sorry for not being much fascinated with your teaching but we have already seen that before for many times.. i can`t be patronizing you, you must grow up and see what is really happening around. New times are coming new enlightenment is coming along. Spiritual enlightenment is one magnificient great state of childhood.. and this one is an effort to grow up to become an active part of Universe.

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My great sorrow for you, comes from my deepest heart. For you and all the others trapped in nice world of delusions which lead usually to nowhere. There is nothing wrong in what you said, but whole your attitude is wrong. Let me accept your game for a moment and you`ll see it with your own eyes.

-Thanx you Garabet for your brave effort to present us the eternal truth, however you should be more modest and accept that i am the only owner of ultimate truth and that only trough me you can reach there. I compliment your trying to become a seeker, to find a way to the truth, but since you`re a  begginer on my scale of ranking - nothing more then confused passinger in wonderland - -much below me (or my teacher) i`ll be happy to show you the way. Just come humbly on your knees and admit that you are not in MY state of mind (so you are not truly enlightened) and you SHOULD be in My state of mind if you want me to consider you for an Enligthened person!"

So, how this rubbish sounds like? ha. These same you can read on thousend of sites and spirituals forums and most likely you`ll get one of these answers if you try to start a conversation with some of this "Enlightened" gurus.

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Yes, it`s a good question. But first i must expose some basix of enlightenment in order to destroy some misbeliefs which exist on spiritual markets on the west. Second - i don`t pretend to be original by any cost. In this moment of history it was given to me to reach for something more. Necessity of this moment made me do it, not my desire. I shall explain the very nature of new enlightenment in some of new and old threads how much uman words will allow mew to do it. In point don`t be confused - Nirvana or emptiness - i felt it like all others in history felt it -the same like others.  But - use of that expirience -understanding which it gives you, and it`s potential to change things in the world - is where my achievement differs from the others. This spirituality is practical, this mysticism is operational.

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Ok. let`s get back to the subject: what is Enlightenment?

Enlightenment is freedom. So be it! Become free if you want, if you can, become who you really are! Be aware of your true nature whatever it may be. Be conscious of you eternal multiple personality who is everchanging and always the same.

"You should, you must".. don`t exist in FREEDOM!  You should not feel that way, you should not do that.. how to say you are free if you act someone`s role? How to be a whole and behave like a part?

Don`t believe people who tell you how you should feel, how you should think, how you hsould behave. Is that Enlightenment? Not even close. - That is spiritual way of life, and nothing more. Among many ways of life- way of fight, way of army, way of politic.. also exist and this ways. But it is not the only not the best. It is just one more among many others amnog God`s wy, just one more colour on the palette. Spiritual way of life is good for me and i like it. But all other ways exist right now and they all make humanity. If you think that they shouldn`t exist, you first must know why do they exist!  ANd the truth cannot be reached by ideology. You must be open to learn why these exist like it exist, you must be ready for suprises! so open your mind. Don`t come with prepared patterns, 'you should, you must' this is good -that is bad'... maybe is not so simple how you think it is. And it may be even more simple.. 

Spiritual people do not care for this world. In nirvana there is no love and light, nor hate or dark. It is emptiness full of SELF. They are absolutely un-interested for your problems. They can only tell you: world is an illusion and your suffering comes from being attached to that illusion and only way to save yourself is to reach nirvana and free from all connections.

Luckily i am half-west so i avoided this illusion of illusion, but i must admit.. it was very good in state of nirvana.

Seeing light is not like to be enlightened. Love and peace are not more important then war and hate. If you love nature then you must hate polluters, right? Everybody keeps telling you - your real nature is love and peace, you should be full of forgivness and compassion... and ithat is best way to keep you out of the game. My real nature is my real nature, not what others tells me it is. Be who you are, and don`t afraid of it. If you are full of hate then god must have some reason for it, there must be some duty for you in this world.

Who told you that enlightened people must be like this or like that? Who told you that some particular way of behaviour is more "enlightened" then the other? WHO told you that your 'real' nature is peace and forgivness?  On the contrary, you are full of hate, desire for revenge and let it live! negativness is same as positivness. That pretending of love&light very often gives unnatural behaviour and cannot last for long, and if does- it gives no results in this world; what is easy to understand, god doesn`t want that. God is everything and you must be everything else you are not living your life to the fullest, you are not living in accordance with god`s nature. It is oxymoron -contradiction in terms -if you are one with everything then you have all possible ways of behaviour in you. If you are a whole how can you choose some part of the whole to be more privilegued then the others? Some tantra teachers say that even killers can become enlightened, it has nothing to do with that, and it is true.  Everything else is only metter of your beliefs, of your ideology. You don`t know nothing about it becouse you are not enlightened so don`t give us a lessons, please. Wait untill you reach there and then tell us about it.

Enlightened man do not play a role as you people from west usually think. Freedom means freedom not playing a role in your movie. If they are acting as they are expected to be, to become popular or to reach more students and money, or to feel as famous saviours, then it is all just one more Muppet Show. That kind of teachers are greater slaves then you are, and they can never set you free. If you have read not only what you like to read but everything what is important to read, you should learn that east masters used to be very rude and agressive behaviour. They behaved spontanously and not chematic, not much 'spiritual' as you call it today. Why do you think that Zen masters have that long stick beside them? Oh yeah, some of you really need it, trust me!

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Moment of Enlightenment is when your SELF is united in direct contact with your SELF without world standing between them. In that moment man see self as an Abstract SELF without shape, or definition. It is eternal, all around existing without boundaries, untouched by the world around you. You see, your self is learning about itSELF only trough impressions comming from your senses, and your mind wich transfoms them and make conclusions. There are emotions which is created by your reaction of your material status formed by recognizing your self as a physical body.

Nirvana is highest high of spiritual Enlightenment if we define spirituality as overhelming boundaries of material world. All connections with world with mind and yourself are destroyed, temporarily or permanently, and this person enjoy eternal bliss of victory over world suffer. But Enlightenment may be more then Nirvana if we define enlightenment as enlightening something what we didn`t know before. In spiritual Enlightenment we finally see our spiritual self as immortal, unlimited and always happy. For people who only seek to avoid death of their mortal body it is quite enough. Trouble is that mind turned off in that condition and connections to the world are cutted in both direction -that person cannot be touched by pain of the world but also canno act or do anything to the world. They usually don`t understand some basic things around us, even sexuality or couse of wars. Somebody - like Buddha or Rammana Maharsi stay in that state forever.

Second phase is Enlightenment of life. In that condition your mind is activating again and you can understand human troubles and even you can feel pain as humans do, but you know that there is something behind it, that is not exactly real. In this state world is not illusion nor for real either. That mystics can understan human action much better then they are able to see, they can act in accordance with general plan with using the events from their life. it may seem that they do not do nothing special or extraordinary but they know how even some simple things from their life can influence events on a large scale. It is so, becouse their self is connected to the world in one harmonical relationship. THis people do ACT but not create. They are support of evolution - like Qutub in sufism. Hermetist from west know much about it, and Sai Baba and Meher Baba are examples on the east.  Also all zen teachers are in that state, as we know zen was big step forward from Buddhism hence their masters lived ordinary life but with much deeper understanding of everything what is going around them.

In third phase rational mind is united and enlightened with Universal mind. Expirience of Elightenment is here used to understand General plan, to be active part of god`s will,  and also to become creator of the future. After holistic life here we have the holistic mind. His emotions are not his - they are from everywhere. His thoughts are not only his, they are thoughts of the World. Very very rare people gets here, becouse of the need for one special combination of qualities requested for this task. it requries great scientific knowledge which is seen on different way then scientist do. It is used on different way either - on holistic way. Also it requires to be familiar with all the culture, politics, everything what is happening - whatever mystic touch with his eye or his mind will transform and will never be the same again. He influences flew of the history, changes direction of future, re-arrange patterns of world,  he is an active connection between world and god in both directions. By all that -he understands what he is doing, being always aware of consequences of his acts and from the others and know how to use it in harmony with god`s plan for general benefit. He is living evolution - the Evolution lives trough him - which is the final goal of total enlightenment.

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What is this? www.suprememastertv.com You came to me with this? You want to sell us that "Instant Enlightenment" in our Hall of Wisdom? People who had much more serious projects didn`t dare to teach us. You should learn some basics of Enlightenment buddy before you begin with selling wisdom here. Obviously your 'teacher' was not able to show you or at least explain you deep meaning of Enlightenment. Some of that instant masters even know what realization really is, but don`t want to talk about it to their studenst otherwise they would have to explain that their realization is not the real one. One day, when your master become enlightened she can come here to share her expirience with us.

In meantime i am not going to spend a second of my time to read this, i`ve already wasted lot of my time on such beatifully dressed products when i was on the beginning of the road. It`s all the same: enlightened being who is guiding us to a better future, to show us path of light and save the world with meditation, love and peace, and positive vibration.. yeah, right. Very nice. And what use of that? If situation in the world wouldn`t be so serious it would be amusings. Leave that Love&Light stuff to womens buddy, we have a serious job to do.  

Look some more at L&L wisdom: "don`t use my politness against me" (?!?!?) how for heaven i can use your politness against you?  Do you expect from others to respond you the same for your kindness? If that so then your L&L philosophy is kind of trade.. you do it to me i`ll do it for you. If you really beileve that it is the right way then why do you expect reward for it?

Yes buddy, you are doing many good things, i know, and you deserve better karma for doing that. And that`s the reason i am telling you all this. Otherwise i wouldn`t spned so much efforts on writing all these. It`s good to be vegeterian and most people here already are. But that won`t change the world. Vegeterians exists for thousends of years and always in same percentage. Majority in World will continue to eat meat, and we must accept that in some strange way it is a part of god`s plan. We can change that only if we create a new more spiritual and more intelligent kind of life then human race is.

Enlightenment has that power and has that wisdom to create and change. Not only yourself, but also this planet and whole Universe. It is very important however to see things realistically, to learn  laws in structure of Universe and therefore to achieve a perfect balance between spiritual and material.

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 Dear Mike, is it possible that you haven`t been able to see an irony in my reply to Garabeth? it was simple case like that. On the contrary -not me, they are neglecting achievements of the others even before they have a chance to know them, on polite but arrogant way - they say come humbly everyone to receive my eternal wisdom. But what if somebody already has a greater wisdom? Are they ready to believe it? no.

I never said that enlightenment of the others is false, just that commercial enlightenment is not enlightenment at all, if your wish is finding answers on eternal questions. Everybody will find a teacher which respond to his needs. If you are looking for someone to be just nice to you and treats you with respect.. well you can find for your money who you want: psychiatrists, gurus, emotional couch, teachers of life..etc. But if you want a true wisdom then you will see that goal is more important then your pride. You can believe to who you want but somebody on the end must have a right to decide and history will show who had right.

Off course every master has a system where his/her teaching is compared with the others and in that hierarchy (surprisingly!?) his teaching is always number one, higher then the others, final and greatest achievement in history, waited from everybody on earth on Messiah to disclose it to the world..

However, we see that after so many Messiah nothing is changing in the world and even becomes worse and worse, now all existance is threatened by human greed. We can see that such enlightened masters are of no use for advancement of the evolution. All that was just a food for their ego, and from Christ to Satyananda, there were not meany people who really wanted to find something practical in Enlightenment. Even if price would be loosing their big ego or status of messiah. I don`t see anyone as final answer or the only carrier of the truth. We are more like pieces of the puzzle in eternal riddle of Universe. Everyone contributes to the Evolution as meany as our potentials and character let us.                       

If you are part of this eternal game then Immortality is part of it, and you can act in the world without fear of loosing enlightenment, although traditional masters would see thinking and acting in the world as sign of "de-realization". My way unites true spiritual enlightenment with creative partipation in material world.

Immortal soul belongs to religion not to spirituality. SPIRITuality seek to find eternal SPIRIT, and to build one non-material spiritual body wich can last longer then our physical body lasts. But i am critic also to spiritualy enlightened people (altough you must know that there are never more then 10 living in the world) as ones who avoid to face reality.You see after Love&Light ideology they still cannot explain what is happening in the world and why the world is like this. They are in wanderfull state of immortality, they are free from desires, but that`s the very reason why they cannot be of any use to this world.

In one word: they are untouchable for the world, but the same, world cannot be touched by them.

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I agree that there are many who tend to advocate for their own enlightened state and who, by my estimation, are clearly not as they proclaim. Yet, who am I to claim they are not what they say? Am I what I say I am? Although I would like to think I am, I do tend to doubt it.

Eclipse, in all honesty, I read parts of your message throughout these postings and I am amazed at your clarity and resonate with much that you teach, yet I read other parts and I feel somewhat angry at your methods of extending that message. But, I suppose that is my issue and not yours.

And, again, who am I to tell you how to extend your message. You will resonate with some and others will turn away no matter the message. I suppose this is relative to each individual who studies your message.

For me, I experience both a desire to turn away and I desire to learn what you teach.

However, I do wonder if your message was less antagonistic to other paths, whether they be correct or incorrect, You might attain more adherents and thus more discourse would occur within this group.

Maybe if you allowed others to present various other paths there could be more gentle nudge from you in what you feel is a more "appropriate" direction. It really makes no difference any way since, in my opinion, no one will ever GET what they are not ready to receive and in that no "enlightened master" can influence.

But I do understand that you must teach in the way you determine effective, regardless of my opinion of your methods.

Thanks
mike S

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Dear Eclipse

I tried to pass as much information as I can. That was my aim, and I thought that was also your aim to have views on or ways to enlightenment. When anyone introduces another method it may look like competitor to you. It does not need to be like that if we are aiming similar or same targets.

I honestly accept the responds you give. I debate this issue, with everybody because it is important and I do not expect only good responds, but information is passed. When we feel good with something that we find, it is our duty to tell others.

We believe to save the world in this way and I wish that you can also do what you can in your way, as long as the world benefits,  it does not matter who does in what way.

God Bless      

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