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Christopher Dorner vs LAPD
2 years ago

You know I read through the manifesto for the most part the other day.  It was long, so some skimming of areas occurred.  This guy, a lot of what he says, could be things that would come out of my mouth.  I personally think he got railroaded.

If they capture him, his name will now be associated with killing people and not the kind of man I believe he was.  It is a shame.

2 years ago

You know what makes me think he was railroaded.  Only an innocent man, a decent man at one time, is concerned with preserving his good name as Dorner was.  The way he wrote about it was real.  At least to me.

Definitely going around killing people is not the answer.

I think he is probably burned up in that cabin right now. 

He is better off dead than alive and captured.  That is for sure.

2 years ago

He's dead.  It was just announced.

I don't think this is over though.  I don't think we will ever know the truth of what he claimed.

I really don't feel good about this for some reason.

2 years ago

I can never condone violence,but I must say,I've rather enjoyed seeing the LAPD,lapdogs of the government in fear. Government officials should always be afraid of the public..

2 years ago

2 years ago

Dorner: Waco 2013?

Did anyone seriously think that the cops would allow LAPD critic Chris Dorner to live long enough to stand trial for his admittedly reprehensible violent acts, which nonetheless carried the possibility of seriously embarrassing the Los Angeles Police Department? Of course not.

Latino newspaper delivery workers in the area are shot even though they bear no resemblance to the accused. Others are shot. Victims throughout Los Angeles County could only pray for such a police response to the violence they must live with on a daily basis, mostly thanks to the drug war. But they are only the taxpayers, they do not count.

No chance he could be taken alive. He is a "cop killer." So like Koresh who also threatened to embarrass cops by continuing to breathe oxygen, Dorner somehow does not survive the raid.

It is hard to cry too heartily over the death of a government-trained killer who has "gone rogue," but is anyone else as chilled as I am about reports that drones have been darkening California skies looking for this killer when thousands of murders go unsolved and unmanned yearly? What about his burned out truck? Was it Pakistan-on-Big-Bear?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/132263.html

2 years ago

Honestly, you knew he wasn't coming in alive.  Never happen.  Not only because he was a cop killer but because the dirt would flow to the top.  This one really hit me funny. 

They haven't absolutely confirmed who that body is.  I wonder, but doubt it, could it be someone else?  Could Dorner have escaped?  It's doubtful, but still ...  Deep down I kind of hope he did.

I just honestly believe this man was pushed over the edge by no justice coming his way.  Should he have killed, no.  I think he had no options left to reclaim his name, his honor.  This destroyed him.

The whole story sucks.

2 years ago

The second manifesto certainly corroborates the first.  Thanks for posting it.  And I too skimmed parts of the first. 

Yes, Railroaded. 

On the other side of this...
2 years ago

The news was showing the funeral for one of the fallen officers killed by Dorner.   A son, a husband, a father of small children...  The whole thing is sad.

2 years ago



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2 years ago

2 years ago

What Suzanne said: " Only an innocent man, a decent man at one time, is concerned with preserving his good name as Dorner was. The way he wrote about it was real. At least to me.
" does hold true for me as well.

There is a lot of stuff ongoing in this case and he may have been railroaded; he might have been a true idealist and could not stomach compromising in the job. Those jobs that deal with the public are always compromising positions and not good for a real idealist.

I can speak for myself as well being a psych. nurse. I am not happy over medicating patients as the means to subdue them. They do get counseling as well; but I wonder how much they even comprehend as they are mentally drugged.

But, you do not take justice to the degree he did, killing people is violent outrage coming from a person who succombed to the job. He internalized all the negatives and started living that way and this is the worst outcome. Just look at the ending here.

2 years ago

Rhonda: I sent that blog above to my brother and a close friend who always turns everything upside down.

I think it is propoganda and nutty talk but I am awaiting their opinions.

2 years ago

I wish Christian could be posting here again as it is important to get all sides of every argument
and that is the only way we can learn.

Censorship is not kool.

2 years ago

What censorship Sheila?

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BTW, I don't think the end is here.  I do think that the elites are setting up measures just in case.  They do not trust the general population, and are now they are about as far from the mainstream reality as they can be. They think that their control is slipping away.   IMO, they crave a two + class society.  Like in Orwell 1984. 

2 years ago

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/how-law-enforcement-and-media-covered-plan-burn-christopher-dorner-alive?akid=10068.228200.sC2LL5&rd=1&src=newsletter795700&t=3








HIghly disturbing behavior by newspaper and Live TV sources in complying with the San Bernardino Sheriffs.



February 13, 2013 | >
At approximately 7 PM ET, I listened through a police scanner as San Bernardino Sheriffs gave the order to burn down the cabin where suspected murderer Christopher Dorner was allegedly hiding. Deputies were maneuvering a remote controlled demolition vehicle to the base of the cabin, using it to tear down the walls of the cabin where Dorner was hiding, and peering inside.


In an initial dispatch, a deputy reported seeing “blood spatter” inside the cabins. Dorner, who had just engaged in a firefight with deputies that killed one officer and wounded another, may have been wounded in the exchange. There was no sign of his presence, let alone his resistance, according to police dispatches.


It was then that the deputies decided to burn the cabin down.


“We’re gonna go ahead with the plan with the burner,” one sheriff’s deputy told another. “Like we talked about.” Minutes later, another deputy’s voice crackled across the radio: “The burner’s deployed and we have a fire.”


Next, a sheriff reported a “single shot” heard from inside the house. This was before the fire had penetrated deeply into the cabin’s interior, and may have signaled Dorner’s suicide. At that point, an experienced ex-cop like him would have known he was finished.


Over the course of the next hour, I listened as the sheriffs carefully managed the fire, ensuring that it burned the cabin thoroughly. Dorner, a former member of the LAPD who had accused his ex-colleagues of abuse and racism in a lengthy, detailed manifesto, was inside. The cops seemed to have little interest in taking him alive.


“Burn that %#&!*% house down!” shouted a deputy through a scanner transmission inadvertently broadcast on the Los Angeles local news channel, KCAL 9. “%#&!*% burn this motherfucker!” another cop could be heard exclaiming.


While live ammo exploded inside the cabin, the deputies pondered whether the basement would burn as well – they wanted to know if its ceiling was made of wood or concrete. They assumed Dorner was hiding there, and apparently wanted to ensure that he would be burned to a crisp. “Because the fire is contained, I’m gonna let that heat burn through the basement,” a deputy declared.


SWAT teams airlifted to the location were told to be ready in case Dorner did manage to escape. “Guys be ready on the number four side [the front of the cabin],” a deputy declared. “He might come out the back.”


Just after 7 PM (4 PM PT), right when the orders were given to deploy the “burners,” the San Bernardino Country Sheriff’s Department Public Information Officer Cindy Bachman hastily gathered reporters for an impromptu press conference. Claiming to know nothing new, she told reporters that she had no idea why the cabin was on fire, or who started the fire. Reporters badgered Bachman for information, but she had none, raising the question of why the presser was convened when it was.


Around the same time, the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department requested that all reporters and media organizations stop tweeting about the ongoing standoff with Dorner, claiming their journalism was “hindering officer safety.” As the cabin sheltering Dorner burned, the local CBS affiliate was reportedly told by law enforcement to zoom its helicopter camera out to avoid showing the actions of sheriff’s deputies. By all accounts, the media acceded to police pressure for self-censorship.


On Twitter, the Riverside Press Enterprise, a leading local newspaper, announced on Twitter, “Law enforcement asked media to stop tweeting about the#Dorner case, fearing officer safety. We are complying.” The paper’s editors added, “We are going to tweet broad, non-tactical details, as per the San Bernardino DA's request.”


“Per [San Bernardino Country Sheriff’s Department] request,” tweeted the local CBS affiliate, KCBS, “we are complying and will not tweet updates on #Dorner search.”


At the time that I am writing this, some online media outlets are beginning to entertain the possibility that San Bernardino County Sheriff’s deliberately set the fire that killed Dorner – a fact that I reported on Twitter as soon the sheriff’s department order came down. If there is any doubt about the authenticity of the YouTube clip containing audio of the sheriff deputies’ orders to burn the cabin down, I can verify that it is the real thing. I was listening to the same transmissions when they first blared across the police scanners.


In the hours after the standoff, however, the police cover-up remained unchallenged thanks largely to local media complicity. An initialLos Angeles Times report recounted the incident in a passive voice, claiming “flames began to spread through the structure, and gunshots, probably set off by the fire, were heard.” Similarly, LA’s ABC affiliate, KABC, quoted Bachman’s vague comment about “that cabin that caught fire,” failing to explore why it was aflame or who torched it.


Today, the Los Angeles Times reported claims by anonymous “law enforcement sources” that the sheriffs used “incendiary tear gas” to flush Dorner out of the cabin. The sources claimed the deputies who had besieged the cabin were

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2 years ago

Today, the Los Angeles Times reported claims by anonymous “law enforcement sources” that the sheriffs used “incendiary tear gas” to flush Dorner out of the cabin. The sources claimed the deputies who had besieged the cabin were under a “constant barrage of gunfire” and that, “There weren’t a lot of options.”

This is almost certainly a lie. The only mention by a deputy at the scene of a gunshot from inside the cabin was the “single shot” that occurred as soon as the “burners,” or incendiary teargas munitions, were deployed. After that point, deputies made constant mention of ammunition exploding inside the cabin as a result of the intense heat of the fire they set, but said nothing about any shots fired at them.

If there were a “constant barrage of gunfire,” it would have been the main source of concern among the police at the scene. Instead, they were preoccupied with ensuring that the fire burned the cabin completely without spreading into the surrounding woods.

There is a grand tradition of law enforcement using incendiary devices to assault besieged suspects, and of covering up their use. One of the most famous examples of this tactic, and its horrible consequences, was the Philadelphia Police Department’s bombing of the compound of the radical black nationalist cult, M.O.V.E., dropping C-4 explosives by helicopter on the house, killing 11 members of the group, including 5 children, and destroying 65 homes in the West Philadelphia neighborhood.

It was not until the 51-day FBI siege of the Waco, Texas compound of the messianic Branch Davidian cult that “burners,” or incendiary 40mm military grade cartridges, were used to burn a structure down. Six years after claiming that the Branch Davidians deliberately burned their own compound down, the FBI finally admitted that it used incendiary rounds, but insisted that none of them contributed to the fire that consumed the compound.

The “burners,” or pyrotechnic rounds the San Bernardino County Sheriffs used to torch Dorner’s cabin, are likely similar, and perhaps more powerful, than those employed by the FBI in Waco. Through the five-year-old “Department of Defense Excess Property Program,” the US military has provided police departments across the country with billions of dollars worth of military equipment, from amphibious tanks to AR-15 assault rifles, allowing the military to circumvent Posse Comitatus regulations by outsourcing their firepower to local cops.

“Burners,” or military grade incendiary grenades, are very likely among the items passed down from the US army to local police outfits like the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department.The “burner” of choice for the modern American soldier is the AN-M14 TH3. It is a hand held grenade comprised of a thermite mixture that rapidly converts to molten iron when it is thrown, burning at a temperature of 4000 degrees Fahrenheit, hot enough to burn through a half inch steel plate or bring an engine block to a boil. It can also produce enough heat to set off unloaded ammunition, which would explain why the ammo inside Dorner’s hideout was popping.

If the San Bernardino Sheriffs employed the AN-M14 TH3 or something like it against Dorner – and it appears they did – they have good reason to attempt to cover their actions up. Without even a token attempt to establish communication with the suspect, who was, to be sure, a wanted killer hell-bent on murdering cops, they attacked him with what was likely a military grade weapon designed to destroy fortified structures. By burning Dorner alive, then misleading and deceiving the public about the operation, the sheriffs may have validated the rogue ex-cop’s sharpest indictments of the culture of American law enforcement.

Yet no element in the Dorner drama was more disturbing than the performance of mainstream media. At every point, major news outlets complied with law enforcement calls for self-censorship, and still demonstrate little interest in determining how and why a lethal fire started on a snow-covered mountain in the dead of winter. As a quintessentially American tragedy reaches its denouement, the truth remains buried beneath a smoldering pile of ashes.

Read a Storify collection of Max Blumenthal's livetweeting of the Dorner standoff.



Max Blumenthal is the author of Republican Gomorrah (Basic/Nation Books, 2009

This post was modified from its original form on 16 Feb, 7:19

2 years ago

hI JIM S. sorry that Christian is not allowed to post on this site.

It is good to get all sides to any discussions and he does provide interesting points.

I posted this news update from Max Bluementhal which is very interesting read.

2 years ago

What is worse is the fact that the LAPD officers involved in his takedown want to collect the reward that was posted.

Wasn't this their job and they want the reward as well. Not much is being reported about this blatant demand by the LAPD officers who took him out. People are glad he is no longer a threat but that is the job of the LAPD, sherriff's office, etc. to maintain safety. They are paid to do so.

They used overkill but consider the events, he took people hostage, tied them up, killed others who were innocent. He is responsible for his own actions. Violence is not the answer.

Also, all retired police can purchase any weapons they want and that includes rocket launchers.
Is that unbelievable or what. There needs to be restrictions on machine guns, rocket launchers and weapons of mass destruction in the hands of anyone retired. The country is way way too liberal on ammo and weapons. Sorry, I am for restrictions and background checks. I see the nutty people who have guns and they scare me to death. Why should I live always scared and silent because I am afraid some whack job will take me out?

2 years ago

got message from David, I cannot respond as only 1 email per week and for some reason he is off my friends list which I am very sad about.

It appears that Christian did cross the line with being disrespectful. He is snarky and that is who he is, but he is a interesting addition to all groups. I hope Christian and David work out their problems.

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