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6 years ago
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John Pilger - The War You Don't See


John Pilger says in the film:  "We journalists... have to be brave enough to defy those who seek our collusion in selling their latest bloody adventure in someone else's country... That means always challenging the official story, however patriotic that story may appear, however seductive and insidious it is. For propaganda relies on us in the media to aim its deceptions not at a far away country but at you at home... In this age of endless imperial war, the lives of countless men, women and children depend on the truth or their blood is on us... Those whose job it is to keep the record straight ought to be the voice of people, not power." 


You can watch the film in segments by clicking the title/link above, or you can watch it in it's entirety by clicking the link below.


The War You Don't See  ... click on the icon to watch full screen.



During WWI 10% of the casualties were civilians


During WWII 40% of the casualties were civilians


During the Vietnam war 70% of the casualties were civilians


During the ongoing Iraq war 90% of the casualties are civilians




Next time you hear something coming out of the mouths of those representing the government, no matter how 'reasonable' it may seem, remember this film, and for gawdsake question it.  If you notice the media not questioning then question the media.


You just might save a million lives. 


6 years ago

Thanks, Kaiti excellent video

6 years ago

You bet, Edward.


In the interviews he conducted with journalists I thought Pilger did a very good job of holding their feet to the fire in regard to their complacency during the run up to the war and beyond (to this day!)


If you think about it, when 'the free press' is the only watchdog over government, without honest investigative journalism (which has been traded in for political pundits and party sponsored op-ed pieces) we are no better off than say the Iranians living under* a repressive government that has complete control over the media. 


If we didn't have the internet today we'd be completely screwed.



*  Why is it that people are so 'content' to live UNDER an authoritative government?  Especially Americans who are supposed to be living OVER their government?  It's all bassackwards.

6 years ago

Edward Bernays along with Walter Lippmann were key players in the first America propaganda ministry under proto fascist Woodrow Wilson.  This was called the Committee on Public Information


It has been said that Goebbels got a lot of his ideas from Lippmann's book Propaganda  and Lippmann's Crystallizing Public Opinion published in 1928 just before the German National Socialist Workers Party  took over Germany.  If Goebbels did indeed use the work of Bernays and Lippmann it would be tragically ironic as both Bernays and Lippman were Jewish. 


Bernay"s' book opens:   "THE conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country."



I like Noam Chomsky critique on Bernay in; History is a Weapon :

......"[The] American business community was also very impressed with the propaganda effort. They had a problem at that time. The country was becoming formally more democratic. A lot more people were able to vote and that sort of thing. The country was becoming wealthier and more people could participate and a lot of new immigrants were coming in, and so on.

So what do you do? It's going to be harder to run things as a private club. Therefore, obviously, you have to control what people think. There had been public relation specialists but there was never a public relations industry. There was a guy hired to make Rockefeller's image look prettier and that sort of thing. But this huge public relations industry, which is a U.S. invention and a monstrous industry, came out of the first World War. The leading figures were people in the Creel Commission. In fact, the main one, Edward Bernays, comes right out of the Creel Commission. He has a book that came out right afterwards called Propaganda. The term "propaganda," incidentally, did not have negative connotations in those days. It was during the second World War that the term became taboo because it was connected with Germany, and all those bad things. But in this period, the term propaganda just meant information or something like that. So he wrote a book called Propaganda around 1925, and it starts off by saying he is applying the lessons of the first World War. The propaganda system of the first World War and this commission that he was part of showed, he says, it is possible to "regiment the public mind every bit as much as an army regiments their bodies." These new techniques of regimentation of minds, he said, had to be used by the intelligent minorities in order to make sure that the slobs stay on the right course. We can do it now because we have these new techniques.

This is the main manual of the public relations industry. Bernays is kind of the guru. He was an authentic Roosevelt/Kennedy liberal. He also engineered the public relations effort behind the U.S.-backed coup which overthrew the democratic government of Guatemala.

His major coup, the one that really propelled him into fame in the late 1920s, was getting women to smoke. Women didn't smoke in those days and he ran huge campaigns for Chesterfield. You know all the techniques—models and movie stars with cigarettes coming out of their mouths and that kind of thing. He got enormous praise for that. So he became a leading figure of the industry, and his book was the real manual."



This post was modified from its original form on 16 Feb, 13:33
Worth a watch:
6 years ago

John Pilger is a Socialist; so pretty much on the other side of  what I believe.  He does have some interesting things to say though.  He figured out Obama long before he was elected and predicted accurately what Obama would do in office. 


Here is a video of Pilger on: Obama and the Empire:  It's quite biting and has some pretty funny parts..... well worth a watch :

6 years ago


The propaganda system of the first World War and this commission that he was part of showed, he says, it is possible to "regiment the public mind every bit as much as an army regiments their bodies." These new techniques of regimentation of minds, he said, had to be used by the intelligent minorities in order to make sure that the slobs stay on the right course. We can do it now because we have these new techniques.


What a horrendous success the 'intelligent minorities' have enjoyed...  The PR machine works extremely well.


6 years ago

I am not sure that the type of government or your political party has bearing on the state of our press and the involvement of any government in the dissemination of information.


We (the US) prides itself on the "freedom" of our press.


We have no benefit of  that freedom when the media itself gives it away.


I know that investigative journalism can overcome this state when they want to (Watergate).  I also know it is easier to report stories that are "fed" to them.  The film mentioned the camaraderie between government representatives (whether military or other) and journalists and the desire "to belong".  While I recognize this as a normal human condition, I expect more from people who have chosen a profession that is supposed to find the truth in an event.  There may be people that don't like you as a result of finding and reporting the facts that people have tried to hide.


Investigative journalism is going away quickly.  There are several reasons for this, but primarily it is the result of newspapers lacking the funds to put a reporter on a story for months before anything gets published.



Quick news has replaced "deep" news.  

Internet dis-information has rolled over all of us.

6 years ago

Jim, thanks for your post and the vid - enjoyed  them both  

6 years ago

Sad to say don't count on the public to ever figure this one out....they are all a bunch of war mongering maniacs when it comes to wanting to attack other countries who haven't attacked us.  Brainwashed zombies. -Susan


Brainwashed zombies - well, I think there is this 'brainwashed zombie 24 hour bug' that afflicts most American voters on election days.  But aside from that human anomily, the contracting of that 24 hour bug which renders awareness, memories, moral aptitudes and convictions impotent when it's time to vote, I believe it's a very large marjority of Americans who do not support war. 


When this majority, which if we are to believe in any polls is 70% of the population, stops voting for the people who are or who represent war-mongers (Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 0.2, Obama and the the Pelosis, the Reeds, the McCains, the Boehners, and about 500 others in Congress), whom we will know by their 'friends':  big business, is when Americans can start looking forward to the beginning of the end of the empire building adventurer known as the United States.  Assuming of course we can escape world retaliation against our government's war attrocities.



6 years ago

Thanks Katti for the geat video - i've only watched about 5 minutes so far. And the channel is really great too! There's hundreds of docs to look through.

This post was modified from its original form on 17 Feb, 0:17
6 years ago

Thanks, Bryan - I found the site by accident, actually, when I was looking for somewhere that was hosting The War We Don't See, which was recommended by a speaker in another doc. vid I was watching (Why I'm An Activist - [for Palestine]).  But it's where I came across Ben Stein's Explelled: No Intelligence Allowed <--- takes you to the thread I opened for it> which I am glad I found!  I thought it was well worth my time.  I  hope others will too, I think it's a topic worth some thought and discussion.



If there are any members here who support either or both of Bush/Obama's  M.E. wars I'd be interested in hearing their comments after viewing The War We Don't See.  Of course others are welcome to weigh in as well!


Personally, I really think we all need to examine or re-examine more closely than ever why America goes to war and the massive death and destruction they cause - in our name.



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