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Ron Paul

Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
from Texas's 14th district
Incumbent Assumed office 
January 3, 1997 Preceded by Greg Laughlin
Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
from Texas's 22nd district
In office
January 3, 1979 – January 3, 1985 Preceded by Robert Gammage Succeeded by Tom DeLay In office
April 3, 1976 – January 3, 1977 Preceded by Robert R. Casey Succeeded by Robert Gammage
Born August 20, 1935 (age 75)
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Political party Republican (1976–1988)
Libertarian (1988 Presidential Election)
Republican (1988&ndashresent) Spouse(s) Carolyn "Carol" Paul Children Ronald "Ronnie" Paul, Jr.
Lori Paul Pyeatt
Randal "Rand" Paul
Robert Paul
Joy Paul-LeBlanc Residence Lake Jackson, Texas Alma mater Gettysburg College (B.S.)
Duke University (M.D.) Profession Physician, Politician Religion Christian (Baptist)[1]Signature Website U.S. House of Representatives Office of Ron Paul Military service Service/branch United States Air Force
United States Air National Guard
Years of service 1963–1965
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He actually gave the best answers of anyone there but tended to wander.  Like he lost his thoughts on things.


As well he did not appear Presidential and like the rest had no spark.


I would declare him the winner of that debate if indeed you could call a question and answer period a debate.  He is a very smart man.

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Gosh Cam, the problem was that that was not a GOP debate if you ask me it was more about letting John King out of the news room and act like a game show host! He's ask a question and the cut everyone off within 5 seconds. I though it was such a waste of my time as I had so looked forward to watching it. And Po'd that I didn't get ti hear very much or rather enough from Herman Cain. Also, I think John King had his pre selected individuals that he intended to focus on more than others........Favorites of his I guess. BUT, then again it was done on CNN so what else can one expect? 

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Cam, cross posting from the other thread where it's pretty much off-topic - 


They [TPers] will hold their noses and vote for whoever is the winner because the goal is to defeat Obama and his socialist agenda. -Cam


Yes, I'm sure many will 'hold their nose' and vote for someone they don't believe in or someone who doesn't represent their own values - that's pretty much standard operating procedure for most American voters, and it's why we have a party duopoly, and it's why nothing ever changes in Washington.  However, the 'TP' minded contingency that truly wants our country to take a more secure and prosperous course will not vote for 'more of the same' - more spending, continued wars, a prolonged economic recovery (just like the 'Great Depression'), and continued loss of liberties - which is what they will get with any of the Republican hopefuls with one exception:  RON PAUL


If TPers want government to keep piling up more debt, if they want more American troops to die in the M.E., if they want to further erode the Constitution, if they want even more inflation - all of which are what they 'say' are against their core beliefs - they will vote for 'anyone' just to beat Obama - the President who, by the by, with the exception of "Obamney' care, did exactly what all of the current hopefuls would have done themselves (none of which, by the by, did Ron Paul ever support) because unlike Paul they are all 'For Sale'.  

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but tended to wander.  Like he lost his thoughts on things.


It appeared to me that he was being 'thoughtful' of his answers instead of spitting out memorized 'talking points', and trying to 'summarize' in 30 seconds what needs an hour to explain.

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don't ask don't tell.....what an ignorant question 


Rhonda, agreed.  And MB was right there to give it an ignorant (bigoted) answer (which would have been very much like SPs answer).

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As Palin was not there it is unfair to speculate about what she would have said.  Her stand on it all along was it was up to the military powers that be and that thier opinions on it was all that mattered.  I think that pretty well summed up what they all said last night.


Defeating Obama's socialist agenda is all you have right now Katii but I do predict a third party will show up in America in the coming years from the Tea Party movement.  The decision has been made NOT to do this at this point as stopping Obama is what is most important now.  They are right about that.  The progressive agenda in America must be stopped if your Republic is to survive.


Back to Paul, he did tend to wander on his answers but I agree there was hardly enough time to give a thoughtful answer on any of the questions asked.


One answer he gave that I did not agree with was where he suggested that being 'Commander in Chief' would give him the power to recall troops - I may be off on exactly what it was he said. 


You must have the ability to be a team worker.  I do agree that it is time to start pulling in the rug on those mililary bases that are being maintained overseas but it must be done with consultation.  Being President of America gives you a lot of power but it does not make you a King where you can say 'I am President and this is what I decree you must do".  That would be an abuse of the power I would think.


To be fair Paul looked tired.  Very tired and I do not blame him.  He is actively involved in what is going on in America and deeply concerned.

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Ronald Ernest "Ron" Paul (born August 20, 1935) is an American medical doctor and Republican U.S. Congressman for the 14th congressional district of Texas, which encompasses the area south and southwest of the Greater Houston region, including Galveston. Paul serves on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, the Joint Economic Committee, the Committee on Financial Services and is Chairman of the House Financial Services Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy where he has been an outspoken critic of current American foreign and monetary policy.


A native of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Paul is a graduate of Gettysburg College and the Duke University School of Medicine, where he earned his medical degree. Paul served as a flight surgeon in the United States Air Force from 1963 until 1968, during the Vietnam War. He worked as an obstetrician and gynecologist in the 1960s and 1970s, delivering more than 4,000 babies, before entering politics in 1976.


Paul is the founder of the advocacy group Campaign for Liberty and his ideas have been expressed in numerous published articles and books, including Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect Our Freedom (2011), End The Fed (2009), The Revolution: A Manifesto (2008), Pillars of Prosperity (2008), A Foreign Policy of Freedom: Peace, Commerce, and Honest Friendship (2007), and The Case for Gold (1982). According to a 1998 study published in the American Journal of Political Science, Paul had the most conservative voting record of any member of Congress since 1937.[2] His son Rand Paul was elected to the United States Senate for Kentucky in 2011, making the elder Paul the first Representative in history to serve alongside a son or daughter in the Senate.[3]

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His son Rand Paul was elected to the United States Senate for Kentucky in 2011, making the elder Paul the first Representative in history to serve alongside a son or daughter in the Senate.[3]


Paul has been called the "intellectual godfather" of the Tea Party movement.[4][5] He has gained prominence for his libertarian positions on many political issues, often clashing with both Republican and Democratic Party leaders. Paul has run for President of the United States twice before, first in 1988 as the nominee of the Libertarian Party and again in 2008 as a candidate for the Republican nomination. On May 13, 2011, he formally announced he would run again in 2012 for the Republican presidential nomination.

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Personal life and medical career

Paul was born in Pittsburgh to Howard and Margaret (née Dumont) Paul.[6] As a junior at Dormont High School, he was the 220-yard dash state champion.[7] He received a B.S. degree in biology at Gettysburg College in 1957. He was a member of Lambda Chi Alpha fraternity.[7] After earning an M.D. degree from the Duke University School of Medicine in 1961, Paul moved with his wife to Michigan where he completed his internship at the Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit. He then went on to serve as a flight surgeon in the United States Air Force from 1963 to 1965 and then the United States Air National Guard from 1965 to 1968.[8]


In the late 1960s, Paul and his wife moved to Texas, where he continued his medical work. Trained in obstetrics and gynaecology, Paul then began his own private practice.[9]


Paul has been married to Carol Wells since 1957.[10] They have five children, who were baptized Episcopalian:[11] Ronald, Lori, Rand, Robert, and Joy. Paul's son Rand is the junior senator from the state of Kentucky.

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Early congressional career

While still a medical resident in the 1960s, Paul was influenced by Friedrich Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom, which led him to read many works of Ayn Rand and Ludwig von Mises. He came to know economists Hans Sennholz and Murray Rothbard well, and credits to them his interest in the study of economics. He came to believe that what the Austrian school economists wrote was coming true on August 15, 1971, when President Richard Nixon closed the "gold window" by implementing the U.S. dollar's complete departure from the gold standard.[12] That same day, the young physician decided to enter politics, saying later, "After that day, all money would be political money rather than money of real value. I was astounded."[13]

First campaigns

Inspired by his belief that the monetary crisis of the 1970s was predicted by the Austrian School and caused by excessive government spending on the Vietnam War[14] and welfare,[15] Paul became a delegate to the Texas Republican convention and a Republican candidate for the United States Congress. In 1974, incumbent Robert R. Casey defeated him in the 22nd district. When President Gerald Ford appointed Casey to head the Federal Maritime Commission, Paul won an April 1976 special election to fill the empty seat.[16] Paul lost some months later in the general election, to Democrat Robert Gammage, by fewer than 300 votes (0.2%), but defeated Gammage in a 1978 rematch, and was reelected in 1980 and 1982.


Paul was the first Republican representative from the area; he also led the Texas Reagan delegation at the national Republican convention.[17] His successful campaign against Gammage surprised local Democrats, who had expected to retain the seat easily in the wake of the Watergate scandal. Gammage underestimated Paul's support among local mothers: "I had real difficulty down in Brazoria County, where he practiced, because he'd delivered half the babies in the county. There were only two obstetricians in the county, and the other one was his partner."[18]

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House of Representatives

Paul proposed term-limit legislation multiple times, at first in the 1970s in the House[19] where he also declined to attend junkets or register for a Congressional pension while serving four terms.[20] His chief of staff (1978–1982) was Lew Rockwell.[21] In 1980, when a majority of Republicans favored President Jimmy Carter's proposal to reinstate draft registration, Paul argued that their views were inconsistent, stating they were more interested in registering their children than they were their guns.[19] He also proposed legislation to decrease Congressional pay by the rate of inflation; he was a regular participant in the annual Congressional Baseball Game;[17] and he continued to deliver babies on Mondays and Saturdays during his entire 22nd district career.[13]

During his first term, Paul founded a think tank, the Foundation for Rational Economics and Education (FREE).[22] Also in 1976, the foundation began publication of the first monthly newsletter connected with Paul, Dr. Ron Paul's Freedom Report[23] (or Special Report). It also publishes monographs, books, radio spots, and (since 1997) a new series of the monthly newsletter, Ron Paul's Freedom Report, which promote the principles of limited government.

On the House Banking Committee, Paul blamed the Federal Reserve for inflation,[24] and spoke against the banking mismanagement that led to the savings and loan crisis.[11] The U.S. Gold Commission created by Congress in 1982 was his and Jesse Helms's idea, and Paul's commission minority report was published by the Cato Institute in The Case for Gold;[12] it is now available from the Ludwig von Mises Institute, to which Paul is a distinguished counselor.[25]


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In 1984, Paul chose to run for the U.S. Senate instead of re-election to the House, but lost the Republican primary to Phil Gramm.[26] Another candidate in the senatorial primary was Henry Grover, a conservative former state legislator who had lost the 1972 gubernatorial general election to the Democrat Dolph Briscoe, Jr. Paul then returned to full-time medical practice[24] and was succeeded by former state representative Tom DeLay.[27] In his House farewell address, Paul said, "Special interests have replaced the concern that the Founders had for general welfare. Vote trading is seen as good politics. The errand-boy mentality is ordinary, the defender of liberty is seen as bizarre. It's difficult for one who loves true liberty and utterly detests the power of the state to come to Washington for a period of time and not leave a true cynic."[28]


In 2009, Paul was featured by CBS on Up to the Minute as one of two members of the U.S. Congress that have pledged not to receive pension from the United States government. The other is Howard Coble of North Carolina.[29]

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Paul has been described as conservative, Constitutionalist, and libertarian.[11] He has been nicknamed "Dr. No",[13] reflecting both his medical degree and his insistence that he will "never vote for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution",[24] and "Mr. Republican".[172] One scoring method published in the American Journal of Political Science[173] found Paul the most conservative of all 3,320 members of Congress from 1937 to 2002.[174] Paul's foreign policy of nonintervention[175] made him the only 2008 Republican presidential candidate to have voted against the Iraq War Resolution in 2002. He advocates withdrawal from the United Nations, and from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, for reasons of maintaining strong national sovereignty.[176] He supports free trade, rejecting membership in the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the World Trade Organization as "managed trade". He supports tighter border security and opposes welfare for illegal aliens, birthright citizenship and amnesty;[177] he voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006. He voted for the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists in response to the September 11, 2001, attacks, but suggested war alternatives such as authorizing the president to grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal targeting specific terrorists. An opponent of the Iraq War and potential war with Iran, he has also criticized neoconservatism and U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, arguing that both inadvertently cause terrorist reprisals against Americans. Paul has stated that "Israel is our close friend" and that it is not the place of the United States to "dictate how Israel runs her affairs".[178]


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Paul adheres deeply to Austrian school economics; he has authored six books on the subject, and displays pictures of Austrian school economists Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, and Ludwig von Mises (as well as of Grover Cleveland)[31] on his office wall. He regularly votes against almost all proposals for new government spending, initiatives, or taxes;[59] he cast two thirds of all the lone negative votes in the House during a 1995–1997 period.[13] He has pledged never to raise taxes[179] and states he has never voted to approve a budget deficit. Paul believes that the country could abolish the individual income tax by scaling back federal spending to its fiscal year 2000 levels;[81][180] financing government operations would primarily come through the corporate income tax, excise taxes and tariffs. He supports eliminating most federal government agencies, calling them unnecessary bureaucracies. Paul also believes the longterm erosion of the U.S. dollar's purchasing power through inflation is attributable to its lack of any commodity backing. However, Paul does not support a "return" to a gold standard, as in what the U.S. government has established in the past, but instead prefers to eliminate legal tender laws and to remove the sales tax on gold and silver, so that the market may freely decide what type of monetary standard(s) there shall be.[181] He also advocates gradual elimination of the Federal Reserve System.[182]

Paul supports constitutional rights, such as the right to keep and bear arms, and habeas corpus for political detainees. He opposes the Patriot Act, federal use of torture, presidential autonomy, a national ID card, domestic surveillance, and the draft. Citing the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, Paul advocates states' rights to decide how to regulate social matters not directly found in the Constitution.

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Paul calls himself "strongly pro-life",[183] "an unshakable foe of abortion",[184] and believes regulation or ban[185] on medical decisions about maternal or fetal health is "best handled at the state level".[186][187] He says his years as an obstetrician led him to believe life begins at conception;[188] his abortion-related legislation, like the Sanctity of Life Act, is intended to negate Roe v. Wade and to get "the federal government completely out of the business of regulating state matters."[189] Paul also believes that the notion of the separation of church and state is currently misused by the court system: "In case after case, the Supreme Court has used the infamous 'separation of church and state' metaphor to uphold court decisions that allow the federal government to intrude upon and deprive citizens of their religious liberty."[190]

He opposes federal regulation of the death penalty[186] (although he opposes capital punishment),[191] of education,[192] and of marriage, and supports revising the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy to focus on disruptive sexual behavior (whether heterosexual or homosexual).[193] As a free-market environmentalist, he asserts private property rights in relation to environmental protection and pollution prevention. He also opposes the federal War on Drugs,[194] and thinks the states should decide whether to regulate or deregulate drugs such as medical marijuana.[195] Paul pushes to eliminate federal involvement in and management of health care, which he argues would allow prices to drop due to the fundamental dynamics of a free market.[196] He is an outspoken proponent for increased ballot access for 3rd party candidates and numerous election law reforms which he believes would allow more voter control.[197] Referring to the federal government, Ron Paul has also stated that “The government shouldn't be in the medical business."

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He is also opposed to federal government flu inoculation programs.[198]

Paul took a critical view of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, arguing that it was unconstitutional and did not improve race relations. He once remarked: "The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society."[199]


On April 15, 2011, Paul was one of four Republican members of congress to vote against The Path to Prosperity.[200]

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As I have discussed with Katii in the past he does have some radical views that mainstream America would have a problem with.  He is right on many issues and his supporters are very passionate indeed.


His age is a concern.

7 years ago

Cam, I've heard SP answer that question before, so how am I 'speculating'???


SP also is in favor of a 'constitutional ban' on gay marriage.



Radical views...   

rad·i·cal –adjective


of or going to the root or origin; fundamental: a radical difference.

thoroughgoing or extreme, especially as regards 

change from accepted or traditional forms: a radical

change in the policyof a company.

3. favoring drastic political, economic, or social

reforms: radicalideas;radical and anarchistic ideologues.



It's a shame anyone would consider Paul's 'radical' views and ideas as a bad thing considering that we are dealing with the 'radical' changes to our form of government that have happened over the course of the past two decades.  I'm not sure how anyone could expect 'mainstream' anything to be the solution.



Defeating Obama's socialist agenda is all you have right now Katii -Cam


No disrespect intended Cam, but that's a pretty narrow view to take.



but I do predict a third party will show up in America in the coming years from the Tea Party movement. 


I think it already exists - it's called the Libertarian Party


The decision has been made NOT to do this at this point as stopping Obama is what is most important now.


Decision by whom?  


Cam, just because it's your personal opinion that 'stopping Obama' is most important now doesn't necessarily make it the best tack.  But, with the exception of the Obomney Care bill (which is a 'state health care program' Mr. Republican Romney is guilty of creating himself) what 'socialist agenda' of Obama's are you referring to that wouldn't be the same agenda of all but one GOP candidate?  Can you give us some specifics?


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But you are referring to a question that was asked of her BEFORE it was done.  It has been done.  She maintains that repeal of such an action would depend on what the folks in charge of the military have to say about it.  Not HER personal opinion.


Again this thread is about Ron Paul who made great points in the debate last night.  As an outsider I feel he won ....


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