I'm sort of in the middle here. Limbaugh did apologize, sort of. It didn't sound very convincing. He'll do the same thing again one day as that is his way of getting recognition. Romney indicated that Limabaugh's language was not favorable to him (Romney) and I don't know what Santorum said, but what good would it really do for them ask him to apologize when he already has. If he's not sincere then it still means nothing. What do the rest of you think: Dear James, Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum refused to call for an apology from Rush Limbaugh. Dont let them get away with it! While Romney and Santorum court voters in 11 states as part of Super Tuesday, tell them that we know they dont stand for women. In just a matter of days, Limbaugh succumbed to the firestorm of public backlash and loss of sponsors. He issued an apology to Sandra, albeit an empty one. But do you know who still hasnt condemned Limbaugh for his wildly offensive statements? The leading Republican presidential hopefuls. Today, as voters in 11 states head to the polls on Super Tuesday, tell Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum that they failed women. Mitt Romney wouldnt call for Limbaugh to apologize and cowardly said, its not the language I would have used. And Rick Santorum brushed off the issue by saying, an entertainer can be absurd.1 Its alarming that those politicians who are currently running for the highest office in the nation failed to address Rush Limbaughs vulgar comments head on. Birth control isnt a partisan issue. Ninety-nine percent of women use birth control at some point in their lives. That means women regardless of whether they call themselves Democrats, Republicans, or Independents consider contraception basic health care. Why should women trust Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum if they refuse to denounce misogyny when they hear it? Tell Romney and Santorum the leading anti-choice candidates that they dont stand for women. Make sure they know that when they refuse to denounce Limbaugh for his offensive language, they fail Sandra and all women. Were not going to let these outrageous attacks on womens birth control go unanswered. In solidarity, Nancy Keenan President, NARAL Pro-Choice America -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 - "Romney Fails the Leadership Test," The Root, March 5, 2012 Paid for by NARAL Pro-Choice
This is a Liberal red herring. This is BS in my opinion, Jim. Who the h-e-l-l started the controversy in the first place anyway? Remember good ol' George 'Snuffleupagus' badgering Romney for an answer at that one debate? Then the Catholic Church/ insurance/ free contraception issues that later came up? No one is telling women that they can't used birth control. Republicans are saying that they should have to pay for it themselves totally or have health insurance help pay for it AND they shouldn't tell religious institutions that they have to offer it in their insurance for employees nor should insurance companies be forced to give it to women for free (which means that the rest of us end up paying for it). Do all women feel this is an attack on women as Ms. Keenan states? A resounding NO! Why should Romney or Santorum strongly condemn Limbaugh? The little they said was enough. Why should they listen to these idiot Liberals?
I think Romney, Santorum, Paul and Gingrich should all just sit back and let Limbaugh do his own thing. Let Limbaugh put on his big boy pants and take care of his own verbage. Was he right? No. Did he say the wrong words? Yes. But it was his own words so let him boil in his own stew.
But, I do believe that someone should make all the liberals "apologize" for all the filthy crap they all spewed about Sarah Palin. I guess it's OK for Bill Maher to call Sarah Palin a "cu**. And call Laura Ingraham a S*** and then send 1 million to Obama for his campaign. Now, if Obama is so upset over Limbaugh's remarks he should be just a upset over Maher's remarks and send his donation back to him.
This is such a one sided piece of crap. Is this an attack on all women -- nope, just stupid women. Ms Fluke made her own bed - let the stupid idiot speak only for herself.
Sandy and Tara Jane, no argument from me at all and agree 100%. The one positive I can say about Limbaugh is that he apologized; we don't see the liberals donig that even though their comments are just as bad or worse.
Limbaugh can take care of himself as he made the comments is right; Fluke can take care of herself as she is the one that made the issue.
As for free contraceptives/birth control; when all prescriptions are paid for 100% (especially those that are necessary for people to live) then we can discuss free contraceptives/birth control. I have yet to see anywhere that provided medications free of charge but I do know that there are places where birth control pills are free of charge; if the women want them free, go to these places. Wal-Mart offers prescriptions for $4 if generic; there is no reason a woman can't afford that. Give up a meal at McDonalds, a pack of cigarettes, soda for a week, a 6 pack of beer or any of the other things that are not necessary and pay for the birth control.
Even people with subsidized prescriptions still pay something.
But back to the issue, no, only Limbaugh is responsible for what he said; it is not Republicans hating women, it is one may stating his opinion who happened to be conservative. Maybe Michelle Obama should apologize to parents around the Country for stating that they need to get their kids eating steak and vegetables; this was pathetic when most families can't afford steak on their food budget while raising children and sorry, if you have limited income even veggies and fruit can be expensive. There are so many hateful and ignorant statements from the liberals, but they seem to believe it is their right to be insulting; they can dish it out but can't take it. Rather humorous, actually.
Y ou know last week i would have asked rush to apologize but today after knowing and seeing how theres double standards in talk radio/tv hosts i would ask rush to keep it up and dont back down . just a quick note my mother 85 listened to what rush said and told me when she was a young lady you would have been called that and more putting your sex life out there .
I'm reconsidering my harsh thoughts about Ms. Fluke. How can Republicans be so heartless. All she wants to do is spread love...and std's. Guess we should pay for that, too.
She also believes transgender surgery should be free. Where does this lunacy end? November 2012, hopefully.
Yes, Tara Jane, anything goes for Liberals. Double standards. It's perfectly fine if they say horrible things. I so agree with you. To the rather long list of hate spewing liberals add Louis CK.
"...comedian Louis C.K. sa[id]this about Sarah Palin:
“when she was on stage at the f---ing convention that just came out of her disgusting f---ing c----… her f---ing retard-making c---…”
He attacks Trig, too. What a worthless excuse for a human being.
So, when it comes out in the wash this was another means of deflection and at the same time Obama's means to try to further discredit the Conservative voice; how expected and typical; he is a true Chicago politician, is he not?
As for the apology; once again it proves that the Conservatives are a higher group of individuals who own their mistakes and make proper restitutution for them; it is too bad that the liberals can't take a page from the book and try it. Obama has not owned a thing he has done that was wrong and he never will. At least we know what he is about.
Sandra, Louis C.K. is nto someone I would pay a cent to watch and if he was on TV I would turn it off. Maybe that is what we need to do; organize and start threatening to not purchase products form the advertisers of programs in which these people are featured; if they are an actor, not go to the movies that they are in when they come out; that would include Baldwin and all the others.
However, apparently the advertisers did not drop Limbaugh and there are even new ones. Typical, the truth comes out.
The Democrats thought they had a great distraction from the economic issues that bedevil most Americans in the form of 30-year-old activist Sandra Fluke. Rush Limbaugh foolishly (as he later acknowledged) called her a "%#&!*%" and a "prostitute" in the course of ridiculing, entirely properly, her very silly claim that the federal government should force all employers to pay for their female employees’ contraception–I never did figure out whether the plan extended to buying male employees condoms and vasectomies–regardless of whether either the employers or employees prefer such benefits to cash compensation. Ms. Fluke’s theory, really, was so stupid as to be a ripe target for ridicule.
The Democrats went crazy in the aftermath of Rush’s error, posturing themselves as the upholders of civility. Barack Obama got into the act, calling Ms. Fluke to congratulate her on her demand for free goods and services, and to ask how her delicate psyche was a holding up. Obama later explained that he did it for his daughters, Sasha and Malia, whom he would never want to hear coarse language.
Well. There was a basic problem with the Democrats’ strategy; namely, that pretty much everyone knows that when a Democrat talks about a Republican woman, "%#&!*%" or "prostitute" would be considered a compliment. So it was no surprise when conservatives pointed out that Bill Maher, who contributed $1 million to Obama’s re-election campaign, has called Sarah Palin a "c***” and a "dumb t***,” along with other, sometimes worse, epithets. When asked about Maher’s disgusting attacks, President’s Obama’s press secretary explained that Obama is not a speech policeman. So evidently Sasha and Malia will have to hear some crude talk after all–from Democrats, anyway.
Of course, Bill Maher is just one of many. Democrats, in general, are cruder and more vitriolic than Republicans. So it didn’t take more than 24 hours or so for Greta van Susteren to point out that someone named Louis C.K.–it is highly unlikely that you have heard of him–was scheduled to host the 68th Annual Radio & Television Congressional Correspondents Dinner on June 8. Those correspondents, of course, are some of the very people who had been excoriating Limbaugh for calling Ms. Fluke a “%#&!*%.” CNN’s Jay McMichael headed the committee that was in charge of the program:
“We’re very excited about having Louis C.K. at the dinner,” said Jay McMichael of CNN, who chairs the RTCA’s executive committee. “This is an evening you’ll want to experience. We’re shaking things up, showcasing the unexpected, and delivering lots of laughs.”
Lots of laughs, indeed: Mr. C.K., it turns out, is foul-mouthed even for a Democrat. Ms. van Susteren collected some of his comments about Sarah Palin. Feel free to skip ahead if you have a weak stomach or are easily offended:
Louis C.K. says of Palin: “her f*** retard making c***” and “the baby that just came out of her f**** disgusting c***.”
To Palin: just “stick your t** in its mouth and shut up.”
And here is more: ”…her f***** retard making c****”.
Need more to convince you? Here is what he says on twitter:
“I want to rub my father’s c*** all over Sarah Palin’s fat t***”
By the way, there is more, lots more.
That, however, is plenty. Even for a liberal, Mr. C.K. is disgusting.
So tonight Glenn Reynolds reported that the Congressional Correspondents (Democrats all, no doubt) have decided to forgo the pleasure of hearing Sarah Palin’s c*** and t*** ridiculed, along with her young son–how funny is that!–and have discreetly canceled Mr. C.K.’s appearance.
This civility thing could be tough on the Democrats. What are they going to do for entertainment?
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My understanding is that Limbaugh apologized not for his characterization of Ms. Fluke, but rather usage appropriate to members of the other team, like Maher for example. I would say that the premise for Ms. Fluke's argument clearly established that the basic characterization is not a point of dispute, and thus no apology is owed. Indulging in gutter-speak, particularly in public, is another matter which has been duly addressed.
I can't stand it when people say others should do this or that.
Let the politicians speak about their own views on what is civil language and leave it at that.
The constant pandering makes me want to puke.
If they feel the need to talk about Rush, let them also talk about incivility in general as it is spoken by the left as well.
Ed Schultz called Laura Ingraham a %#&!*% in the most hateful manner. He ain't a comedian and he wasn't held accountable by the MSM or the left.
The double standard sickens me.
Elizabeth I could not agree more. I fail to find the humor in incivility regardless of which side is making the comments. No matter what one's feelings about Sarah Palin, to now only attack her in an extremely offensive manner or to attack her daughter, son, husband or any other of her family members was reprehensible. Woud those making these filthy comments want to hear someone abuse their family members that way and if they answer yes, they are even more pathetic. And this includes Bachmann, Laura Ingraham, Laura Bush, Condi Rice, Barbara Bush, and any other woman, but because these are women of conservative background, they, apparently, are open season by the liberals. Yet who cries wolf if Michelle Obama is even remotely criticized for spending so much money, etc., when no one is calling her vile and filthy names. I am more than sick of the double standards; but on the positive side, we certainly see where the classy people stand and where the trashy people stand, don't we. I remember the comment, and the more radically outspoken liberals need to remember it, garbage in and garbage out; speak trash and expect to be no better than trash.
Linda C. from my discussions on care2 it seems ok for a liberal hack to say anything about anyone after 10pm or if your on HBO .
Sandy -- All Ms Fluke wants to do is spread "love". Sounds like she'd like to spread something else too!
She's free to say what she wants to but, for heavens sake, speak with some accountability. I think she's a little short in the reality department.
First of all I've been told it certainly doesn't take $3,000 a yr for birth control pills. And, there are sooooooooooo many places she can get those babies free.
Ms. Fluke -- get thee to your local bars - the rub-a-dubs are in large bowls near the restrooms - both male and female. Get three to Planned Parenthood - they will be happy to aid in your little bitty problem. And, on your campus I'm sure the clinic there can direct you to the correct place. Or, Ms. Fluke, why not ask the guy or guys to take a little responsibility and ask them to provide their own protection - I think their little cost is approx $.25.
And, isn't Anita Dunn the "sweet" thing that Glenn Beck went after?
And, Ms. Fluke ---- if Nancy Pelosi told you she has your back -- well, you really do need a good dose of reality!
What annoys me, though, is that only conservatives are held to this high road standard. And when we ever fall short it is seized upon.
I think it gets back to the liberal's criticism of conservatives that we espouse to be the party of values, etc..
Liberals are clever in this way..... because they who profess to have no values can never be judged by them.
And those who aspire to uphold them be damned if they ever fall short of them.
(My dime store philosophy.)
Elizabeth, I would say your dime store philosophy is pretty accurate and worth more than a dime; it says it all. So, if we are going to be darned, we might as well continue to do so on the side of strong, moral values as I certainly do not want to ever be seen as a person with no value whatsoever. Oops, I meant a person with no values, LOL.
Seriously, though, that is exactly the way they are about this and I don't know how you feel, but my view is that it is a real coward that refuses to espouse any moral values at all becaue they do not want someone to "not like them" or their idea that this is some way shows weakness; quite the contrary, they are the ones of weak character.
Honest to God....leave it to Dr. Tara Jane to hold a "come to Jesus meeting." You are right on the mark, Tara Jane, and very well stated, my dear friend.
Excellent thread, guys and gals.
I'm sending out a few stars.
I'm trying to figure out how to say this - but I feel that liberals equate having values to being judgemental of others. And we know how they refuse to take a stand against bad behaviors.
Elizabeth, I understand what you are saying and isn't it absolutely remarkable that most conservatives do everything in their power not to be judgmental. Maybe it is because they suffer from some paranoia. Normally conservatives separate the person for the action and it is the action that troubles us and that we discuss. I could care less about Pelosi, Reid, or even Obama's personal life and how they live it; I only care about the actions they take that impact the citizens of the U.S. and the U.S. as a whole in a negative manner. I would react the same to Repubicans. I think that as a whole the conservatives are more willing to look at their own party members more objevtively than the liberals seem capable of doing.
(( I only care about the actions they take that impact the citizens of the U.S. and the U.S. as a whole in a negative manner))
Oh my gosh...yes! I agree. Just get us out of this mess! I truthfully don't care about Newt's philandering. The way I see it, Newt just screwed other women, but Obama is screwing us.
Republicans certainly are objective about each other. Democrats try to look the other way. And of course the media never holds them accountable.
Elizabeth, fantastic. That is exactly where I am. As for Newt, don't particularly like the things he has done but if that won't affect his performance as a President, which it didn't seem to do with J.F.K, then that is his personal problem and not mine. If they are successful in their career and have made money, is that a negative? Not in my book. I would have more confidence in a man that has done this than one that has used the system and never even tried to be responsible for himself.
So, yes, please may we elect the man that will get us on the road, at least, to getting out of this mess. It is kind of like putting on weight; it doesn't happen overnight and therefore it won't come off overnight. The real issue is just getting started down the right road and staying on that course. We can look at the track record of the candidates and see who seems to have the best track record for accomplishing this and we certainly know that Obama's track record is not the least where we need it to be.
How about a little realism on this issue! First, it was the administration that started this idiotic discussion by using one of its media surrogates to bring the subject up in a GOP primary debate to set the stage for another misdirection since the Demagogues and our alleged POTUS (who may be illegal) cannot run on their records. Second, it was the administration using their brain dead HHS Secretary to FORCE everyone providing health insurance to give for free contraceptive health care (including morning after abortion drugs) to all women. That is an overreach for several reasons including making those who oppose, cannot use, or dont need the alleged treatment pay for something that is associated with an elective recreational activity in addition to increasing the cost of health insurance (since it isnt really free, may violate the religious dictates of some employers, and is discriminatory since it is aimed at only females. Third, the alleged congressional testimony by the Ds expert witness was not a real congressional hearing but a Demagogue staged political stunt using an activist with no real expertise but a lot of political and ideological baggage. This was after the Demagogues changed their expert witness for the real hearing (that was about the dictates violation of the Constitutional guarantee of free religious expression) where they pulled their original witness who had some marginal creditability on the issue. Fourth, the little twit was a lousy witness anyway since she really had no specific examples, apparently cant find cheap birth control pills on her own, has a boy friend that has a rich big Dem donor daddy and can pay for their sexcapades, went to Georgetown to push this cause, and has ties to a PR firm connected to a former radical White House staffer. Fifth, the Demagogues and their rogressive media allies have a long history of incivility to all including women and, with Bubba and others, a history of more than incivility including sexual harassment and sexual assault that they and their media allies rarely acknowledge let alone apologize for. Conservatives and GOP politicians should keep mum as to what Rush said and attack the administration on a lousy energy policy, corruption, the debt, failed stimulus measures, hypocrisy, unconstitutional and illegal behavior, their tie in to media organizations and Media Matters, and the host of failures over the last four years to include pointing out strongly that the Demagogues controlled the whole show for the first two years of his term and have been blocking any action since then via Hoary Reids control of the Senate.
John C, I don't think you will have any argument from any of the rest of us on this issue. Pretty much that is exactly the way people see it. What is very telling is that Limbaugh is enough of a gentleman to make the apology without anyone asking him to do it; they did not have any sponsors leave and in fact gained new sponsors and in all, Limbaugh makes the liberals, Obama and his Administration, etc. look very foolish and just what they are, hypocrites.