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Obama: Doctors Should Ask About Guns in Homes
1 year ago

Wednesday, 16 Jan 2013 

By Jim Meyers

 

You’re visiting your doctor because you have flu symptoms. After checking your heart, pulse and other vital signs, your doctor turns to you and asks, “By the way, the federal government has authorized me to ask you, What type and how many guns do you have in your home?"
Sounds like George Orwell’s "1984"?
Wrong.
It’s 2013. And if President Barack Obama gets his way by executive order, doctors across the country could play a key role in his new gun control initiative.

On Wednesday morning, Obama released a sweeping 23 executive actions and orders he will take to limit gun usage.
Already, talk of the executive orders has raised significant controversy. Order 16, for example, may raise serious concerns with privacy advocates.
The order, as summarized, simply states federal agencies will “clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.”
In addition, a fact sheet provided by the White House with the order list elaborates: “Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence.”
The fact sheet continues: “Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety of their patients and the broader community by reporting direct and credible threats of violence to the authorities. But there is public confusion about whether federal law prohibits such reports about threats of violence. The Department of Health and Human Services is issuing a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits these reports in any way.
“Doctors and other health care providers also need to be able to ask about firearms in their patients’ homes and safe storage of those firearms, especially if their patients show signs of certain mental illnesses or if they have a young child or mentally ill family member at home. Some have incorrectly claimed that language in the Affordable Care Act prohibits doctors from asking their patients about guns and gun safety. Medical groups also continue to fight against state laws attempting to ban doctors from asking these questions.
“The Administration will issue guidance clarifying that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit or otherwise regulate communication between doctors and patients, including about firearms.”
In 2010, the Affordable Care Act, dubbed Obamacare, was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Obama. The law totals more than 2,700 pages, but also grants the president and federal agencies sweeping powers over healthcare. So far, more than 13,000 pages of additional federal regulations have been issued with more to come.
The National Rifle Association has long argued that doctors violate patients’ Second Amendment rights to keep and bear arms by asking about gun ownership.
A federal judge in July issued a permanent injunction against enforcement of a Florida law that would have prohibited doctors from asking patients about gun ownership in many instances, saying the prohibition impinged on doctors’ First Amendment right to speak with their patients about gun safety.
The law would have allowed physicians to ask about guns if it seemed relevant to a patient's medical care or safety — for example, if a patient was severely depressed or experiencing violence in the home.
Six other states — Alabama, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and West Virginia — have considered similar legislation in recent years.
According to Kaiser Health News, the 2010 healthcare reform bill doesn't prevent doctors from asking about guns, but it does prohibit insurers, employers, and the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services from asking about gun ownership in many instances, and it prohibits HHS from collecting such data. 
 

1 year ago

While revealing a summarized version of President Obama’s executive order Wednesday, the White House has yet to publish the full details and scope of the orders, including the one relating to doctors and guns.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/obama-guns-healthcare-doctors/2013/01/16/id/471708?s=al&promo_code=11F7C-1

1 year ago

Apparently this is part of the "patient protection" part of the "Patient Protection and Affordable Health Care" Act. Well we all know how well the "affordable" part of that is working so I guess we can expect the same "good" results for the "patient protection" part of that as well. Everyone must remember that the CDC thinks of gun ownership as a disease as does the New England Journal of Medicine.

1 year ago

Quite frankly if a doctor asked me if I owned or had guns in my home I would politely tell him - "It's none of your business."

1 year ago

Tara Jane, I would amend that to "According to the Constitution if I do that is my right and it is none of your business".

1 year ago

Tara Jane, it's right up there the question...."Do you drink alcohol?    If so, how many glasses a day do you drink...how many per week?"   I always answer "I never touch the stuff."  LOL!!  

1 year ago

Yeah, along with "Do you smoke".  I always answer occasionally, like just before I have to come to the doctor's office.! 

1 year ago

You should've said, "yes, I do smoke....Cuban cigars."   What a hoot.   I tell them nothing about my private life.   zippo....because then it's out there for all to know.  

1 year ago

You two are wonderful.  Laughing so hard.  Now for me, I had my doctor's appointment last Friday and yes, still not quite where the doctor wants me weight wise, so I was all prepared for her to ask "have you been adhering to your diet" for which I was prepared to share "of course but my diet is not doing it's job".  I had lost a little more than I realized and she was happy so didn't have to use the excuse.  I did go off of it for a few months prior to the election and only just got back in the saddle with it, so didn't want to admit I had "gone off the wagon".  

Now Diane, I don't drink much more out of not ever really enjoying it much; but my vises are worse.  LOL  I don't smoke, Tara Jane, never have, but again, my vises are worse.  Give me bread, cheese burgers, fries, and soda....see, not good at all.  They do as much damage, trust me.

1 year ago

LOL, Linda.   Tara Jane, to get rid of "evidence" two nights before you go in for your blood work and urinalysis, eat roasted asparagus, a good size portion, both nights.   I promise you he won't know what the hell you've been up to but he sure won't suspect you've been drinking a gin and tonic and smoking a cigarette.   

1 year ago

You know at our age what's the use of asking if we have bad habits?   Who decides which habits are bad?   I mean I believe is a bad habit.    Their JOB is to fix what ails us....no questions asked   even if we walk in their office looking like this........no questions....the doc should know what he needs to do...no conversation required....



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1 year ago

Well, Diane, if I were to eat a good sized portion of roasted asparagus even one night you can bet the doctor will find a new symptom for which they have to treat me, a urinary tract infection.  That is the affect that it has on me for some darn reason.  I hate it as I really like asparagus.  But hey, it would throw the doctor off.

1 year ago

My dad was 90 when he died.  I went to the doctor with him when he was around 87 - the doctor told him that he was getting around more slowly - my answer to the doctor was "Well, after all, he's 87 - he's entitled to every ache and pain he's got, he's earned them!"

 

The doctor didn't have much to say.

 

And, by the way, remember when you went to the doctor and you could spend time with him or her - well, fergit it - now, they are always peering into a computer and then it's get you out the door.  It's because they are all so backed up.  Just wait until ObamaCare hits! 

 

It's getting scary out there folks!

1 year ago

Most people would think that the Question by a doctor, "Do you own any guns" is a question that is actually none of anyone's business but yours. However, (contrary to popular belief) that question is not just now being introduced.

 

My first experience (actually my ONLY experience with that question, was when I became a new patient with Arizona Family Care back in 2003. I did not think that I had heard the question proplerly and I did ask the nurse if she just asked me WHETHER I OWNED ANY GUNS. When she shook her head affirmatively, and said yes, I asked why would a qustion like the be asked at a Family Care Center? She more or less, rather apologetically said that it is an insurance company's requirement. I was a brand new resident in this state back then and haven't changed my health care preferences, but the question never came up again. So, to this day, I don't really know if her answer was correct or if that was the doctor's personal choice of questioning or what. 

How many of our member group have been asked that same question by their physicians or staff? And was is just recently or has it been happening over the years?

 

Jim

1 year ago

Never, Jim.  

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