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voodoo/hoodoo drugs March 01, 2005 3:52 PM

Ok... so the murderer in my book also makes use of voodoo drugs.  I have heard rumours that some voodoo preparations have been tested in the US and not found to contain active substances (or any that were recognised as such).  Does anyone know anything about this?  Also, I've heard that some part of a tarantula is an ingredient in some voodoo preparations.  Anyone know what bit?  Or if the tarantula has to die in order for it to be harvested?  Or what other common ingredients would be found in such a preparation?  (He uses it to induce a deep meditative trance.)

Thanks for your wisdom!

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HHHHEEEEELLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP March 01, 2005 3:58 PM

*lol* Sorry that one is over my head so can't help you out but I am very interested to see who does know and what the answer is .

Leah*frustrated*

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Puffer Fish March 01, 2005 4:28 PM

Puffer Fish poison was and is used to produce "zombies" by Voodo doctors.

Death usually occurs within hours but some patients exist in zombie like states of suspended animation for days before experiencing complete recovery. During all of these events the patient remains completely lucid. Estimates are that as many as 200 cases of such poisonings a year with half of the victims dying. The culprit in these cases is a deadly poison found in the puffer fish-tetrodotoxin.

http://www.life.umd.edu/grad/mlfsc/zctsim/pufferintro.html

Here is a link for "How Zombies are Made" case you ever need to make one:

http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/voodoo/howzombie.htm

Peace and watch out for zombies...*biggestgrin*

Bill

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In Case You need to make a zombie/ voodo slave March 01, 2005 4:43 PM

 To make zombie powder you need:

Human flesh and bone, a toad made more poisonous by scaring it with a stinging worm, a poisonous centipede, a particular species of spider, several psychoactive herbs such as damiana and datura, and a puffer fish.

All of the ingreients are psychoactive and toxic, with the exception of the human meat, but the interesting one is the puffer fish which makes a poison called tetradotoxin, which is a sodium channel blocker that disrupts communication in brain cells.

The puffer fish is the source of the Japanese delicacy Fugu, where the deadly poison sacs are removed before eating. Trace remains of the drug give Japanese diners a euphoric buzz, more than that kills.

The symptoms of tetradotoxin poisoning appear quickly: slight numbness of the lips and tongue, feelings of floating, headache, rapid pulse, nausea, trouble walking, trouble speaking, trouble breathing, paralysis, then coma or death. The coma gives the full appearance of death, good enough to fool many doctors.

Of course this raises the question of whether those people who "died" of puffer fish poisoning should really have been buried, but I'll leave that one to your imagination.

http://linus.it.uts.edu.au/~iwoolf/txt/discovery/zombies.htm

Happy Zombie Making....hehe

Peace Bill

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Accuracy March 01, 2005 5:41 PM

I know you are probably going for accuracy with your novel, but half the fun of being a writer, even if it for a mystery novel, is making things happen because you want to. 

Every time I watch CSI or Law and Order I am baffled by the things they show that are inaccurate or wouldn't happen like that, but then I have to think to myself that those things are there because the writers wanted them there for dramatic purposes. 

If you want there to be a drug that is derived from a spider that can produce a trance-like effect for voodoo purposes, then make it so there is one in your writing.  More than half the people that read it won't know different or question it at all.  Other readers will not care whether or not it is real as long as they are entertained. There is only a small percentage of people who will nit-pick it apart.  In writing, you have to remember, you're never going to write something that will please everyone.  

You also have to be careful in being too accurate in describing things that actually can kill someone.  I had someone threaten to sue me because they actually tried something that I drew in a comic book and they got hurt.  If you ask me though it served them right, who in their right mind would get instructions to breathe fire from A COMIC BOOK!  I know it would have been thrown out in court, but before it did, I would have had to hire a lawyer, show up to court, contest the merit of the lawsuit, and even if it got thrown out it would have cost money. 

Have fun writing,

Patience C.

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scary spider zombie maker March 02, 2005 12:43 PM

Well... I thought a tank full of taratulas in the murderer's front room would be fun.  But now a "toad scared by a poisonous worm" sounds pretty good too!  Hmm, a tank full of toads/frogs and some poisonous worms in the fridge...

My murderer isn't specifically setting out to make a zombie, and I'm not concerned with being 100% accurate.  But I do think it needs to have a ring of truth to be satisfying to the reader.  So all this background info is really useful.

I think the actual method of murder I'm going to choose couldn't actually happen in real life - there will be some mysticism involved.  But I want to have a few blind alleys for the police/sleuth/reader to travel up.  Just for fun.

You know a lot about gruesome stuff.  Thanks!

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well March 02, 2005 3:19 PM

I am a psychiatric nurse and became interested in "root medicine" helping treat patients in rural NC. There are many practicing "root women/doctors" who brew potions and spells.  I wanted to learn where the root history came from, much is based is voodoo mixed with a blend of factual herbal medicine.  I find it quite interesting.
Peace Bill
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zombies April 07, 2005 8:14 PM

Hi,

I'm a little late joining this group, obvious by the fact I had to reactivate this thread*lol*

If your  looking for a  poisonous fish for voodoo/zombie purposes, this link worked well for giving some idea how the poison works.

http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/ttx/ttx.htm

There's also a book called "The Voodoo Handbook of Cult Secrets" that  was helpful. I wrote a Halloween short story involving zombi-ism last year and I found this book to be a good reference tool.

Lisa

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Moira, April 12, 2005 9:51 PM

I'm in no position to tell you how to write a book--I've never written one--but if I were a detective and, on one hand, had a murder victim killed by a poison obtained from a spider or wormy frogs and, on the other hand, walked into a house/business to question a person and saw they had a tank full of tarantulas, a tank full of frogs, and a frid full of poisonous worms in full view, I think the mystery would soon be solved.

At least I'd have my prime suspect.

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 April 13, 2005 7:38 AM

Ah but you ever tired to interview a poisonous worm ?  And if the story is well written the "worm" could be anyone.  I have written for years and enjoy twists and turns in stories. 

Peace Bill

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