Our very own U.K. `survival` thread:
Please jump in here folks & ADD lots of ideas of your own. The more ideas we`ve got & the better chance we`ve got. This thread is for EVERYONE`s benefit, whilst survival affects each & every one of us, & our families & friends.
Below, some of the main dangers we are facing:
1. Climate event
3. Terrorist attack
4. (potential) pandemic - not necessarily bird flu, whilst TB & others pose equal, if not greater threats.
5. Financial crash
What can we do?
Absolutely nothing insofaras stopping any of the above - but LOTS insofaras `preparing`
What NOT to do
Panic. Only if we are not prepared will we panic.
What are the basic preparations we should consider making?
4. Other essentials
5. Warmth & safety
The above 5 things may appear irrelevant right now, but would make a heck of a difference later to your very survival.
Food - we all need to eat.
Worse case scenarios:
Financial crash - no money - banks close.
Terrorist attack or climate event - shops close and/or electirc/gas goes off - no power.
Pandemic of some sort - restricted to staying home.
Stock up (in advance) on TINNED, packet food that needs NO cooking - bonus if you have portable gaz camping cooker to heat food up. Downside being the obvious `danger` from using such equipment indoors.
Many tinned food stuffs have several years shelf life. Items such as corned beef & tuna fish are particularly good, as also is tinned vegetables, baked beans, spagetti & packet cereals. We also need SUGAR in our diet & the choices are many. These are only basic ideas.
WATER - we all need to drink.
Worse case scenario:
If terrorists were to target our WATER UTILITIES.
Pandemic - illness caused lack of sufficient manpower to keep it running.
Climate event - caused a breakdown
Depending on where you live, & the scenario, would influence on what WATER is available. For example, if you live in the countryside near a river or stream, then water could be collected & sterilised provided you are not confined to your home, or its not a drought scenario.
I`ve therefore tried to cover ALL possible scenarios by washing out & saving all 2,3,4 litre plastic bottles. If things look like getting any worse they can be quickly sterilised with milton, before filling with drinking water. I`ve got one supply already filled, & I empty & refill those every few months. I`ve also got a huge supply of empties already sterilised should a quick fill become necessary.
I keep in mind what happened last summer in Gaza, & how Israel targeted their utilities like water & power. Based on that I assume, if Iran gets hit, then the first thing terrorists in UK would target would be our utilities.
Water stores fine for 6 months, but do NOT stand the bottles on concrete floors.
There are many such sites online. Most appear to be American ones (says alot for our UK gov)
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First Aid Kit.
Cough medicines, pain killers, & whatever else you use, including PERSCRIBED MEDICATIONS which may not be readilly available.
OTHER ESSENTIALS (of which there are many) The following is only a very BASIC guide.
Scenario: some or all
Essentials needed for a baby (if appropriate)
Essentials needed for pets (if appropriate)
Candles, nite-lites, torches, batteries, lighters, matches.
Toilet rolls - feminine requisites.
Hygiene - at a push I assume we could afford not to `wash` if we really needed to conserve water for drinking. However, there is a difference between not showering, as against the greater concern of `personal hygiene` Therefore, unless someone comes up with a better idea than JOHNSONS NAPPY WIPES - that`s my only recommendation, lol.
Essential hand washing again is a consideration - any available water (even rainwater) to which DISINFECTANT has been added might need to suffice in an emergency.
This is only a very basic guide.
WARMTH & SAFETY
First, a topic none of us wants to even contemplate, but worth reading because it could save your life :
Less dramatic - Keeping WARM
So what happens if the power goes down & its the middle of winter ?
One way round it, which I did read about some time ago, was this: invest in a TENT !
Might sound crazy, but the small space inside a tent is more likely to be warm than what your living room or bedroom would be without heating.
Shift a few pieces of furniture, put up your tent, throw in every duvet, sleeping bag, blanket you`ve got & dive in & sit it out. Might be boring, but if you`ve got no power, then without tv, pc, lights etc, you are going to be bored anyway, so its better to be WARM & bored, rather than to wander round in the cold & freeze.
Of course, it all depends what the scenario is ! We could survive this for a couple of weeks if there was a pandemic, but not recommended if our house suffered a flood LOL ! So its only a limited suggestion.
I quite like the last two sites. One thing I learned recently is that chickweed and hawthorn leaves are edible, which surprised me.
I have a tent and camping stove with several spare gas canisters. If you go to camping supplies stores they sell stuff to add to water to make it safe to drink. I also have a water butt to collect rainwater, I assume if that is filtered and boiled it would be safe?
I suppose I am fortunate here in that there is a lot of countryside around about for foraging in...and I work one day a week at an organic veg farm, so I know where to go for some veggies, lol. Another business right next to it is organic free range chickens, plenty of eggs there.
I would suggest stocking up on things like seeds for peas and tomatoes at least, which are easy to grow in various size pots...I have peas and beans growing in those giant plastic tubs. Tomatoes and peppers can be grown indoors on window sills.
Herbs can be grown in pots too and they make good medicine. I started a herbal tea/medicine thread in another group if anyone is interested in me copying the posts over?
There`s some suggestions on this thread for you, but you will need to scroll down the page past the news story.
Hope this helps.
That is interesting reading Rick, though it does highlight a problem almost everyone in the UK would have and that is sheer space for storage. Water storage alone on that scale would be impossible. Though there are some natural springs dotted around the country, we need to identify where they are. My home is the biggest out of all family members, and even I would struggle to store all that is suggested there. Though I could make better use of my loft and turn that over to storage of stuff with a long shelf life...it would have to be too as access is very difficult, lol.
Protection would be another issue here. With very strict gun control in the UK, the average person would not be able to defend their family and stocks. I think it would come down to "safety in numbers" .
I have just yesterday, learned of a very large section of land come up for sale and it is very tempting to check it out. It is pasture land so would be good for planting and maybe if regulations allow, building a few homes for myself and other close family members.
Any tips for that?
< < Protection would be another issue here. With very strict gun control in the UK, the average person would not be able to defend their family and stocks. I think it would come down to "safety in numbers" . > >
I would say: you`ve hit the nail on the head there mentioning PROTECTION & DEFENCE.
It`s a topic I did intend to raise, but with so little enthusiasm being paid to this thread (except for yourself & Rick) then I did wonder: is it worth the effort? lol.
DEFENCE & SELF-PROTECTION would pose a big problem, & that is no doubt why Governments are giving themselves `unlimited powers` - maybe even those I.D. cards & the possibility of whether those might later lead to implantable chips (another very important, but separate topic we should be covering)
Just a thought : perhaps we should all get together whilst we could become the Care2 Vigilantee Refugee & Survivors Group LOL !!!
Another worrying sign is the continuing demise of our U.S. dollar. $2.03 now. British Pound to U.S. Dollar
Not to mention 'Jerusalem (Israel) being surrounded by armies with CIS and Syrian citizens in Gaza and Lebanon having been told to flee! DEBKAfile reports Syria calls on citizens to leave Lebanon ahead of a military “eruption” expected next week We shall all need to keep a close eye on developments.
Hessian pototoes sacks : Store good quality, DRY potatoes in them in a DARK place. Potatoes will sky rocket in price after all the floods.
If you have no established garden plot, or if there just isn't enough available space within your garden, you can still grow a respectable crop of spuds, and do a little recycling at the same time. Potatoes thrive in the warm environment of a soil filled tire!
Four tires + Two pounds of seed potatoes + Good soil = 20-30 pounds of winter potatoes!
Pick a spot where you can stack your tires which is out of the way and preferably out of sight. Loosen the surface of the soil just enough to allow for drainage, and set your largest tire in place. Fill the inside of the tire casing loosely with good topsoil, and then set 3-4 potato seeds into the soil. (Use sticks or rocks to keep the casing rings spread open.) Add enough soil to the tire "hole" to bring it to the same level as the soil inside the tire.
When the new plants are eight inches tall, add another tire and soil to the stack, as in the first level. Repeat the process for your third, and if desired, fourth tires. As you add tires and soil to the stack, the 8" of the plant stalk is covered with soil. By doing this, the existing stalk essentially reverts to a root status and the plant is forced to grow upward to once again find the sunlight which it needs. (much like if you were to try to eliminate a dandelion by covering it with a scoop of soil) By raising the soil level this way (in 8" increments) the plant is able to continue growing without suffocation, and at the same time you are creating a 24-30" tap root from which many more lateral roots can develop. Each lateral root can then produce additional potatoes (at 3-4 levels rather than the normal single layer). When you water, be sure that the soil is thoroughly moistened all the way to the base of the pile.
The tires act as an insulator and heat "sink" for your potatoes. This added warmth will cause the lateral roots (where the new potatoes form) to multiply more rapidly, thereby giving you more potatoes. When you need fresh potatoes next fall and winter, harvest the crop from the top tire, and remove it from the pile. More potatoes??? Next tire...
P.S..... You can also use this method to grow your own peanuts, but only in two tire stacks!
There is a big difference between fear, as against common sense/logic/preparation.
I would agree, that it wouldnt do any of us any good to go round in a state of panic, anxiety & fear.
However, in view of all the signs we are seeing of where the dangers are, then its my opinion that only a fool would ignore those & scoff.
I can see from your profile that you are single, but let`s just suppose for example: that you had a young baby, & a couple of other kids. Lets also imagine you live in London, & a terrorist attack takes down the water facilities, & disrupts food supplies, & our Gov declares `a state of emergency` under which you are forbidden to leave your area. Lets say its the end of the week, your food supplies are running low, you were just about to go out & buy milk formula for your baby, when all this happens. So what you gonna do? Would you sit there saying: `there`s nothing to fear but fear itself` when the milk runs out, there`s no water, baby is yelling, the other kids want their dinner, but you cant go out because everyone has been told to stay indoors. Then what ? Now that`s the sort of situation which would cause panic.
In contrast, & had you just been abit wiser, & stashed away some water, food, baby milk etc. then you could sit back & say `we can manage, we are not going to go hungry nor thirsty`
Your call, Alf. Please think about it.
It doesn't hurt to make some preparations. When there was the sugar shortage in 1974(?) it scared my mother into keeping stocks of such things, just in case of something similar. Remember the fuel shortages a few years back? Some were prepared. I like to keep some fuel for an emergency. I remember myself and my sister stocking with catering packs of rice amongst other things during the fuel shortage, it turned out to be unnecessary but in the end we actually saved ourselves quite a bit by bulk buying, lol.
It wasn't all that long ago there was a bread shortage, that inspired me to stock up on yeast and flour.
If all you do is buy a bottle of water or long life soya milk and an extra can of something like baked beans each week and put them in your loft or garage or under the bed, it may help if there are future shortages. At best come a bad winter and you can't get out, you are well stocked up, and even if we don't have a bad winter, Xmas spending isn't as harsh if you are already stocked with food.
I watched that whole movie Alf, and I was stunned, shocked and gobsmacked. I suggest everyone watches it, I know it's almost 2 hours long but it is worth every minute.
I don't think it takes away the need to prepare, I feel it shows a greater need to prepare if these individuals have things go the way they want. The only difference is that the target of our fears are not terrorists, but our ignorance coupled with the greed of those who are really in power.
Alf, what is the actual weblink for that movie, I'd like to forward it to others off this site?
Basic food prices on the rise
Biofuel mania ends days of cheap food
By Gwynne Dyer
The era of cheap food is over. The price of maize has doubled in a year, and wheat futures are at their highest in a decade. The food price index in India has risen 11 per cent in one year, and in Mexico in January there were riots after the price of corn flour - used in making the staple food of the poor, tortillas - went up fourfold. Continue
I am new here and after a quick read of this thread I have only a few words to add:-
If a nuclear attack is imminent, bend right over and kiss your arse goodbye! Why? Because there is sod all you can do about it *lol*
Yes, you have guessed right, I am bored
If there ever was a nuclear attack I hope I'm one of the lucky ones to get killed outright. With the aftermath of problems, radiation poisoning would be too much to cope with.
hi everyone. I am new here so just wanted to say hello and thanks for the comments i have read so far.. I am am member of www.projectavalon.net and that is a useful site for lists of resources and a variety of information covering just about any topic you can think of! I am very concerned with the real threats that are imminent and am doing alot of research in terms of trying to locate a safe zone to relocate to or group up with other like minded people to create our own community.
another site i recently joined is www.face2012.net this is for people seeking communities and support from other awake and aware people.
all the best!
Hi Kate, welcome to the group, those are interesting sites, there looks to be a lot on the Project Avalon to keep me busy reading for ages.