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 Consciousness October 30, 2005 12:48 PM

To make Evolution more conscious, we must reach higher consciousness. And with it to understand better what is consciousness?

This is one of greatest questions of all in history of mankind. Those, rare who enter hyper-consciousness state of mind, testify that it is something impossible to describe. You must live it! you have to see it for yourself. That`s of course is true, but it doesen`t much helps when you want to make pure definition of something. Science is after

philosophy another human area where this problem came under empyrious analysis. It seems however that scientist are even more incopetent to resolve this eternal question. Using their strictly subject-object kind of approach, consiousness remains something unreachable, untouchable for analytical mind. Let me show you what one of the world most famous expert for Artificial Intelligence has to say about this:

" Consciousness poses the most baffling problems in the science of the mind. There is nothing that we know more intimately than conscious experience, but there is nothing that is harder to explain. All sorts of mental phenomena have yielded to scientific investigation in recent years, but consciousness has stubbornly resisted. Many have tried to explain it, but the explanations always seem to fall short of the target. Some have been led to suppose that the problem is intractable, and that no good explanation can be given."

KurzweilAI.net  -  David Chalmers in 'Facing up to the problem of consciousness'


Consciousness cannot be 'viewed' for obvious reason - that what is watching IS sonsciousness. So how can it watch itself? It is possible however only when that what is viewed and one who views become ONE! So aim of this process is melting with the world and on the end with consciousness itself what is an old secret in every mysticism. The method exist, and it is based on individual expirience. That 'individual' is what boders scientists, they don`t recognize the truth as truth if it is not generaly verificated. As we know that it can`t be and never will, problem of consciousness will be unsolved till the end of scientific civililzation. Individuals who doesen`t care much about what method is widely accepted and which is not, there are lot of mystical tools ready to be used in order to reach the magnificient state of mind called-hyperconsciousness.


In the meantime when you are still here in ordinary state of mind, let me ask you what is consciousness for you? Is it same as to be aware? is it like to have a feeling of free will/ to be aware of sensation, reaction, logical consequences of our acts..is it applicable only on global processes as pollution or it has meaning applied on anything around us and inside us? Is consciousness 'free will'? or condition for its existance..is for consciousness possible to exist without any content?



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Soul October 30, 2005 1:53 PM

The definition I've always used for Consciousness is Soul, the mediating aspect of divinity. Soul/Consciousness is the result of the interaction of Spirit/Matter on the continuum of LIFE. Everything that is manifested is done so through the agency of Consciousness/Soul. When we meditate with the goal of soul contact, alignment and fusion, we evolve from mere physical/emotional beings to truely spiritual Beings. We begin to identify with/as Soul and to know ourselves to BE more, much more than these lower personalities that we/Soul, use to fulfill our goals. To me, evolution has been completely misunderstood. It's not that form evolves by itself, it's that Soul evolves and creates ever more appropriate forms to use, forms that fit the need, tools for the next project. Darwin, et.al, got us started thinking in this direction, and it's fine that people still don't quite get it, because over time, as we continue to evolve spiritually it will all become as clear as can be. Good topic. Namaste, ND  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
new consciousness November 03, 2005 7:25 AM


Yes there are soul and spirit and consciousness in everywhere! Everything is conscious just there are different levels of consciousness.

I agree on Darwinian failure in their attempt to explain Evolution as a process. We know from our inner personal expirience that there is something much more in it what we call spirit, soul, and consciousness, and they certainly could not arrive as priduct of random genetic mutations. We know about power which from behind manifests itself here. Problem is we can`t prove that and  scientists are not even ready to recognize 'elan vital' not to mention something more! Nevertheless I could not agree on soul as a creating agent of material forms. Soul is not active but pasive princip of Universe, it feels and detect something as  beautiful or ugly..soul is so often suffering in this material world and nothing would create someting to feel pain and sorrow. But soul is a diagnostic agent of Universe, which exist thru interaction of spirit and metter.

On this way soul can show to the Evolution what is the right way. Where to go, how to improve process for the future, where are weak sides and where are good sides of creation. Soul helps the Evolution as reflection of "succesfulness" Thiskind of feed-back is however possible only thru some rare highly sensitive souls on Earth. In them it happenes proces of r=evaluation. This process is happen even much stronger in highly conscious spirits, where Evolution can not only to result of creation but can become fully aware of itself!

This kind of consciousness the most precious in present times, I call Evolutionary consciousness. Evolution wants to become conscious  and learn about itself. To help creation of conscious Evolution we need much more of those people who reached this highest kind of consciousness. It is not only about to be aware of where our poor Earth going, aware of consequences of our desasterous activities on our planet. We are still speaking then from the ordinary point of view yet. This new kind of consciousness requires change in a whole - in your mind, in your spirit,  in your body..There is a need for Evolutionary enlightenment, in which your mind can become one with Evolutionary mind and  on this way you can be activly involved  in this big plans for us. It would be possible then to learn from Evolution directly and Evolution would learn from us in reciprocity as  spirituality will become new creating force on Earth.

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N November 03, 2005 10:04 AM

We may be talking about two different things when we say "soul". There are, you may be aware, the three gunas of Sattva, Rajas, Tamas, or Rhythm, Activity, Inertia. Correspondences to these three are: Spirit, Soul, Matter. In this sense Soul is correspondent to Activity, and in its relationship to Matter, must act upon Matter to create the forms it needs to complete its task. Could you give me some correspondences to your concept of soul, so that we can be on the same page? Thanks, Namaste, ND  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
 November 04, 2005 8:12 AM

soul in Indo-European tradition refers to feelings and spirit to consciousness. We all know what somebody means when tells to someone: have you soul at all? In India tradition there is no referee to soul as we understand it. Three gunas are three characters of material world and none of them as far as I know is synonim for soul. Atma is most close to our definition of soul, but atma refers to individual self as immortal soul which re-incarnates from one body to another.

I am talking here about soul of Universe which shows up in some rare individuals and feels all beauty and suffer of this creation. That soul is directly connected with Evolutionary mind on sub-consciusness way. By becoming hyper-conscious Universal soul in us can see much better good and bad things of creation and this way helps the Evolution process developing in right direction.

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Gunas November 04, 2005 10:39 AM

The three gunas I'm familiar with - Sattva, Rajas and Tamas, are the three qualities of divinity, which in Christianity would be called "Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and are also correspondent to Life, Quality, Appearance, and so on. In all the correspondences Soul is the middle, mediating aspect, as Rajas, or Son, or Christ, or Quality and so on. It looks as if we're coming from different parts of the teachings.

Interesting discussion. Namaste, ND

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Clarification, please November 06, 2005 10:08 AM

I'm curious as to your meaning when you say "evolution wants to become conscious". Evolution is a process, in my understanding, and not an entity. Perhaps you can clarify? Namaste, ND  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
True consciousness November 06, 2005 11:52 AM

Is there consciousness without any content?

Stand of psychology that it is impossible - consciousness is always busy with something. Try to think on nothing , it is hard isn`t it? you are always aware of something at lest your attention on nothing. William James, emiricist and psychologist first came with this remark that we are always conscious about something. There is no empty consciousness.

But Indian Yogi show how wrong western psychology is! There is empty consciousness, without any content, and this was proven in many scientifically based experiments.  Samadhi is state of mind where you are aware of nothing! But do not immagine it as nothing, it is something just without form and without immage, without thoughts..and still there is something. It is consciousness itself! This is calle 'authonomy of consciousness'. So consciousness can exist for itself, without the body.  That is called nirvana. And you can go further then that if you whish. you can replace ordinary human consciousness with new one. God consciousness, evolutionary consciousness..when your human mind is off  you can connect yourself on other kind of mind. That is called godhood. And new kind of consciousness about which I am talking here is to become one with Evolution. Then you can understand process which is going on this planet, many secrets unknown to science and logical mind. Then, you can see the world with other eyes. Eyes of creator.

So consciousness without content is possible and therefore it is possible for someone who have reached new state of mind to change it`s kind of consciousness. This true transformation is necessary to see reality as it is, and from that point to work on real world changes.

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Yes November 06, 2005 1:06 PM

Yes, I understand what you're saying about consciousness, but you said "evolution wants to become conscious". That was my question, how can a process have a desire? Maybe we're into a language problem here? Namaste, ND  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
Answer to Nancy November 07, 2005 8:21 AM


Language problems are not of great importance in this moment of history. It is important to understand process of the Evolution as a whole and to learn how to control it in accordance with our desires.

Universe IS Evolution!! Evolution is impossible to separate from Manifestation. Everything what we see is constantly changing, becouse of there is unlimited set of possibilities and limited possibilities of this world. There is desire from creative entity behind the certain. Desire to destroy, start all over again, to try new solutions, to learn how to express itself on better way...If we are talking about grown man what is a child then? not a man not something other either. So growth is part of human existance. We all know what we mean by that, nobody consider 'growth' or Evolution for independent entity. Simply with world Evolution we mark major feature of Universe - change to better and more complex form of existance. There is a desire for change built in the very structure of Universe. That desire is equally strong as desire for existance. They can`t go one without other. Reason for this is as I already said - that there is an infinite pool of possibilities, waiting to be expressed, and limited space in Universe. Hence comes historical changes, destruction and creation.

As I like to say "Game is playing with itself". But now we are not only figures on the chess board in game of creation, we are becoming players. Evolution wants that. Or if you lke it more: Universe wants that.

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N November 07, 2005 8:49 AM

I do think language problems are of great importance at whatever moment of history. Evolution is a process, it is not a thing. The Universe is the manifestation of the divine Life, and evolution is the method that Life uses for Its purpose. Perhaps your definitions of evolution and universe are different in your language than they are in English, but I can guarantee you that evolution is a response to Life or God, or whatever you call IT, it is not a sentient thing or being.

Perhaps you mean to say the universe is evolving? Evolution is a noun, evolving is a verb. Big difference.

I don't mean to be argumentative over this, I really want to understand and be able to respond to what you're saying.

Namaste, ND

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Explanations.. November 07, 2005 3:21 PM


Let`s get back to our subject. That happens to be consiousness. Consciousness is a noun. So? Is consciousness a thing? is it living? Nobody has an answer. You can see it as living or non-living, as description word or real thing ...your choice.  Some enlightened people say that consciousness is only thing that exist at all! and for me Evolution is everything that exists. So Evolution is also a noun in my or any other languages. I can see it as a thing and a living entity. I see Evolution as divine. Look what is happening in Universe. Only thing what is really happening is Evolution. It is not only manifestation - it is a divine! That is the way how I see it..

What leads as to the point: purpose of this group is to be a place where I can expose my teaching of consious Evolution. This teaching comes from unification of all sciences with my own mystical journey. This kind of mysticism is rational and operational. It can be applied! So we`re not going to waste our time on stories which cannot be used in a process which is occuring on this planet. Angels, heruvims, archangels.. and all rest from old tradition which have been shown as uselles and incapable to explain this world. There are many other groups for that kind of discussion, in section spirituality, mysticism, paganism...this is something different. My goal is to enable you to unite your consciousness with Cosmic mind, wherefrom it is possible to understand a true reason for everything what is going on. Not stories or explanations, nor religion or any other systems.. but to see reality as it is.

Everybody who works in Conscious Evolution becomes one with divine. You have to be divine to gain access to the secrets world of Evolution. But you have to remain rational in same time, with great knowledge about facts of Universe. There are people in history who are known as "living gods" or manifestation of divine. We have been told that they have reached "god consciousness"? .. and still they have no idea what is going on here. So how it is possible? how we can talk about "god consciousness" to be one with creator and still not to be able to see process of Evolution. And if they use that word it is used just in a terms where spiritual entities are making forms in material world to express theirselves? But if god is good and that angels and rest of them are fine guys how comes then, that this world is such a horrible place? They have no explanation. Fallen angels?! nonsense. They can`t explain meaning of history and changes becouse in spiritual world there is no time or time is different then here. There is always peace andhappiness and here is not. But they are to conformistic to get back here and see world as it is. For that reason, this old methods cannot be regarded as absoloute wisdom.

So real god-consciousness is in fact evolutionary consciousness, where you can see the world as it is, and understand whole process in real terms of existance. This is what I am teaching here.


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