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Cars are a cult of death, hybrid or not March 24, 2005 1:16 PM

Hello, I love cars, when I was an urban dweller, I drove only for recreation near my cabin in my sports car. I since got forced out of my home-city, NY by the economics of globalism and other problems. Now I am a trucker and I watch accident after accident by people who should be using public transportation because they cant drive. Just the other day I saw a dead man outside his pickup, his pickup wasnt too badly damaged so I wonder how he died, but he was definately dead. Last year I saw several accidents were cars simply spun out for no reason smashing between opposite guard rails. As I trucker I am vilified as being a danger on the road, which is total biased bullshit. When grieving friends put crucifixes and flowers where their friends died, I am sure they have someone to blame besides themselves. There is only one solution, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION But I doubt that these grievers even give that the slightest thought, its a cruel evil joke, and the joke is on YOU, hybrid or not.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
Extreme, but correct March 24, 2005 9:34 PM

However, if we really had a good PT system in the US...would we need as many truckers?  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
CARS March 25, 2005 8:10 AM

Cars spun for no reason...?There is ALWAYS a reason.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 March 25, 2005 11:46 AM

As wonderful as public transportation is it simply isnt feasible in many parts of the US. Why? Because our culture deems that living 30-40 miles away from where you work is sane, and building homes in the middle of nowhere, even though you aren't a famer or what have you, is the ideal. The US is a spread-out culture. So we "need" cars to drive around, all by ourselves. Beyond that our cities are built around vehicular transportation, rather than foot or bike traffic, so even when people live in an area where public transportation is accessible and sensible, they'd rather drive their car because heaven forbid they would have to ride the bus or metro with all the "poor" people. You wouldn't want to get mugged by all the horrible nasty people all around you everywhere*. *Much sarcasm here, try not to drown in it. :)  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
Why is John V in this group? March 25, 2005 2:16 PM

If you don't like cars, don't join a car group. Duuurrrrrrrrr!  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
You people sound like Nazis March 25, 2005 8:48 PM

I guess America has gone comletely over to stupidity. 1) some of you are going to lose friends relaitives or your own lives in cars, from the way you ALL talk I am thinking this is a good thing. 2) until I started driving trucks I didnt realize how efficient they are. With 40,000 thousand pounds of cargo, they get the mileage of 3 SUVs. SUVs if you dont know, usually carry one stupid selfish overweight human each. Trucks bring freight fast, meaning the economy can function more efficiently. The best improvement for trucking would be to elmininate the corps and let independant truckers get loads directly from the websites. That way there would be less dead-heading. Older truckers typically have 1-3 million miles w/o accidents -- thats millions of miles. 3) most americans live in cities, leave their cars parked and take public transportation, this means you people are all SUBburban, wasteful, greedy and prone to academic slaughter and other social stupidity that comes from single family home isolation. This is not extreme, it is what I see everyday, but after reading your stupid posts, I am now going to drive by the crash victims with a lot less sympathy  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
Wow, you're a total bigot. March 26, 2005 9:01 PM

So... We're rubber, you're glue. Everything you just wrote in that hateful rant bounces off us and sticks to you. You wanna be childish? You got it. Troll.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
Don't be so mean. March 26, 2005 9:46 PM

This group is quite obviously dedicated to supporting hybrid cars, but several past posts have pointed out problems with the car culture. I agree with John in that cars are dangerous and cause a lot of suffering and death, but in some spread-out, have-to-drive-everywhere areas (I think this is called sprawl, and is also a bit beyond the scope of this group), public transportation is horrible, and not having a car can be dangerous. There is no need for you to argue, public transportation is a great idea that has not been realized everywhere, and fatal traffic accidents are all very tragic. If you are able to walk, bike, or take public transportation, that's great. If you want to buy a car, buy a hybrid, and drive it safely. Nobody seems averse to working toward a world in which people can walk or take public transportation more, even if they currently can't. And Maggie, I hope John is in this group because he supports hybrids above other automobiles, and therefore you can view each other as slightly different-minded allies in the fight against insecure men and suburban housewives driving H2s by themselves to the store 1/4 mile away.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 March 26, 2005 10:44 PM

John V: you are not a nice person. In your profile you say you are about "empathy and communication." Do you know what these words mean? Maybe you should look them up.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
I am a nice person -- you are genocidal March 27, 2005 8:39 AM

Emapthy is a not where I kiss your ass Empathy is where you have a deep understanding of what is going on What is going on is that you people are PROMOTING death on the highways What you SHOULD BE DOING is opposing individual cars and promoting public transportation, bicycles and sidewalks for the elderly to use You probalby laugh at the old folks who cant drive struggling to get around  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 March 27, 2005 9:30 AM

HAHAHAHA!!! You immediately come in here attacking everyone calling us all genocidal, selfish, and stupid, and then have the nerve to call yourself empathetic! Get a clue. And while your at it, look up the word empathetic, because you still don't know what it means. Oh, and communication is not where you tell everyone what is best for them as if they are children, that is authoritarianism.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 March 27, 2005 9:51 AM

" from the way you ALL talk I am thinking this is a good thing." So some of our loved ones should die? How empathetic of you. The great Buddha has returned! "until I started driving trucks I didnt realize how efficient they are. With 40,000 thousand pounds of cargo, they get the mileage of 3 SUVs. SUVs if you dont know, usually carry one stupid selfish overweight human each." So we should all start driving trucks? Where does this whole trucking thing come in? It is two different things. Like apples and oranges. Trucking is commercial transportation of goods, cars are for transportation of people. Usually in areas where there is no public transportation. "most americans live in cities, leave their cars parked and take public transportation, this means you people are all SUBburban, wasteful, greedy and prone to academic slaughter" Right, because they live in places where public transportation exists. Some of us don't. If we did, we'd use it. But since we have to have cars, we prefer are cars to be as fuel efficient as possible. "social stupidity that comes from single family home isolation." Theres plenty of isolation that goes on in cities too. And plenty of socialization that goes on in rural and suburban areas. Way to generalize. " Emapthy is a not where I kiss your ass" Empathy: Identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives No, you dont have to kiss ass, but throwing out hateful, murderous, and condescending statements is as far from empathy as you can get. "What is going on is that you people are PROMOTING death on the highways. What you SHOULD BE DOING is opposing individual cars and promoting public transportation, bicycles and sidewalks for the elderly to use." Your so, right. We hate life, we want DEATH! Give us big machines to plow down little old ladies with! Yeah, and while youre at it put big spikes on those machines and make them as deadly as possible! Sweet! Im gonna hit 10 children today! But seriously, leave, you have no reason to be here.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
It's all about BALANCE March 27, 2005 11:24 AM

John, though some of your points may be correct, they're too extreme to work or to be accepted (as you see) by people. As for the dead man, probably he wasn't wearing his seatbelt (not available on most buses or trains, BTW) - in an accident that'll be the death of you First, I'm not sure most Americans live in cities...though I couldn't find statistics Second, many areas aren't served by PT systems and voters haven't really demanded them...sad but true. I know in my town there's a bus to "the ten" most popular places - anywhere else, grab your car! Cars are a fact of life. Yes, they pollute and are dangerous...but that doesn't mean peiole who use them are evil. Your truck uses more fuel per ton per mile than a train does, is it pure evil? Planes are actually very efficient per person/mile (I used to work for an aiplane manufacturer in the ad departnmnt) but I don't suggest them for all uses. Cars do have their uses Should they be made more efficient and safer? YES! Should they be blown up to demonstrate their badness? No, what would that solve besides making more pollution and making conservationists look extreme. Sustainability (or PracticalEnvironmentalism as I call it sometimes)is all about helping people do WHAT THEY CAN to better their lives and their communitiy/planet - there's no room for extremist doctrine if we hope to make a big difference. You saw your reaction in a room of conservation-minded people. Imagine what a gun toting pickup driver redneck would have done to you. Partially, your words invite that reaction. Hybrids are ONE good answer to lowering our consumption of fuel while we drive. The question they answer is not "the ideal form of transportation" but rather "efficient powering for automobiles". You seek to answer larger questions, and there are groups working to do just that. Volunteer with your local Land Trust, attend zoning and community planning meetings, work with developers to build PT friendly and walking friendly communities. Become a political lobbyist and help change the laws that support low-efficiency vehicles and dangerous roadways or under implementation of PT. Volunteer to help found a private-funded PT system in your town - the earliest subways in America weren't govt funded...why not now? THE WAY YOU're DOING IT, I'd rather you say nothing at all. Evrery day, I face people who cringe when I say the word conservation or sustainability, because they're afreaid of extremist rhetoric or impossible demands like the ones youre making YOUR COMMENTS ARE MAKING IT HARDER, NOT EASIER  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
Common Enemy March 27, 2005 7:17 PM

For those who don't see my reply to another post, here is the "enemy" of our cause: Guess what those first three letters stand for? Does anybody here like that acronym?  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 March 28, 2005 5:54 PM

John...why are you so angry? I feel sorry for you that your life is so full of anger and hate. I wish for a day when you will be able to let that go. Please don't be so mean in a group where people came to share things with one another. Why not start an "I Hate All Cars" group? Why come here and say hateful things? I'm so sorry that this is your choice of lifestyle. :(  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 March 28, 2005 6:14 PM

I'll grant there are many people on the road who should not be behind the wheel of any car under any condition. Public transportation is a good idea - but not always available or practical. I went through periods when I did not own a car. In one period I took the bus to work, but then to get home I had to walk 2 miles to the depot and catch the last bus of the day home. One day I didn't get there in time and a friend with a car drove me home. Another time was when I was expecting my first child - and I did not own a car when I went into labor. A friend drove us to the hospital. After she was born I walked everywhere - including to the supermarket. I think the key here is moderation. In the parking garage at work I see these behemoth vehicles that make no practical sense at all for a commuter vehicle. Perhaps, if they were pulling a vacation trailer then it would make sense. One of my big peeves is the drunk driving laws. Revocation of a driver's license is nonsense - doesn't stop them from driving. How many repeat offenders get a slap on the wrist? Although, in NJ a recent law was passed prohibiting judges from granting a temporary license to the convicted drunk driver so he/she can drive home from court. I believe people just need to drive smart - and courteous. Follow the rules of the road, pay attention to what the other vehicles are doing, pay attention to driving conditions, anticipate, be courteous, be patient. Plan your drive - what route will be more efficient. If public transportation is available, take it. Finally, if given a choice between two vehicles, choose the one that is environmentally smart. If not a hybrid, then a car that has decent gas mileage. JMO  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 March 30, 2005 9:57 AM

With respect John V. it is unrealistic to expect that all cars will vanish and everyone will switch to public transport. For this reason we support greener cars and have a discussion board where we can talk about green cars. Bad drivers and fatal road accidents are not the focus of this group.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
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