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FAQ: How is Libya faring these days?
6 years ago

Now that the Knight on the White Horse (NATO) has slain the Evil Ogre (Gadafi), everyone in the Kingdom of Libya is Living Happily Ever After, in a state of blissful Freedom and Democracy, right?

Well, not quite. Here are a few recent news stories:

How can this possibly be? Didn't we just have a wonderful Humanitarian War? Didn't we shower Libya with lovely Humanitarian Bombs and Humanitarian Missiles?

Maybe we will have to bomb Libya all over again, and again, and again, till the Libyans learn how to enjoy the wonderful Freedom and Democracy that we are delivering.

We are doing Everything Right. After all, we are NATO, and NATO is God. We are the ones who get to decide who lives and who dies. We made our decision: Gadafi must die. And now it's time for the Libyans to fit themselves into Our Plan.

This is not the time for us to stop believing in fairy tales!

This post was modified from its original form on 29 Jan, 2:00
6 years ago

Plus our president boasted how we got a good deal on this war. He brought up on the 'Jay Leno' show that instead of costing a trillion dollars for this war, we only put the taxpayers deeper in debt for a billion. The audience cheered to that too!


Aren't we the lucky ones?????

Libya’s US-Backed Militias Terrorize the Country
6 years ago

This, according to the Los Angeles Times, is the horror we inflicted on Libya when we bombed the country into "Freedom":

    Rising inter-tribal violence has left scores dead. About 100 people were reported killed last month when rival tribes battled with machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades in the remote southern town of Kufra, probably for control of lucrative arms-smuggling and human-trafficking routes in the vast empty spaces near the Chadian and Sudanese borders.

    …A spate of torture, arbitrary arrests, wanton destruction of property and summary execution has beset the country, engendering an environment of impunity while ensuring that Libya’s people remain trapped within the violent logic of last year’s insurgency.

-- Glen Johnson, "Libya militias pose threat to precarious stability"L.A. Times, 07 Mar 2012

(Quoted by John Glaser, "Libya’s US-Backed Militias Terrorize the Country", Antiwar.Com, 08 Mar 2012. Glaser provides links to additional Libya reports.)

The people who foment a suicidal insurrection in Syria and then weep buckets of tears over the rebel casualties -- while shedding not a tear for the people killed by the rebels and the terrorists -- hope to inflict a similar "liberation" on Syria. Fortunately, Assad has stopped these disingenuous "Do Gooders" in their tracks, with the foreign-backed rebels now evicted from their stronghold in Homs.
See what Liberation actually looks like!
6 years ago

Libya, before (2007) and after (2011) "Liberation"
How NATO and the CIA took over Libya
6 years ago

    The Libyan “pro-democracy rebels” are reportedly commanded by Colonel Khalifa Haftar who, according to a study by the US Jamestown Foundation, set up the Libyan National Army in 1988 “with strong backing from the Central Intelligence Agency”. For the past 20 years, Colonel Haftar has been living not far from Langley, Virginia, home of the CIA, which also provides him with a training camp. The Mujihadeen, which produced al-Qaida, and the Iraqi National Congress, which scripted the Bush/Blair lies about Iraq, were sponsored in the same time-honoured way, in leafy Langley.

    Libya’s other “rebel” leaders include Mustafa Abdul Jalil, Gaddafi’s justice minister until February, and General Abdel-Fattah Younes, who ran Gaddafi’s interior ministry: both with formidable reputations for savagely putting down dissent.

-- John Pilger, "The CIA is behind the Rebellion: The Euro-American Attack on Libya has nothing to do with 'Protecting Civilians'", Global Research, 08 Apr 2011

Here's how the take-over of Libya began, according to wikipedia:

    The protests, unrest and confrontations began in earnest on 15 February 2011. On the evening of 15 February, between 500 and 600 demonstrators protested in front of Benghazi's police headquarters after the arrest of human rights lawyer Fathi Terbil. Crowds were armed with petrol bombs and threw stones. Marchers hurled Molotov cocktails in a downtown square in Benghazi, damaging cars, blocking roads, and hurling rocks. Police responded to crowds with tear gas, water cannon, and rubber bullets.[118] 38 people were injured, among them ten security personnel.[119][120] ....

    In Bayda and Zintan, hundreds of protesters in each town called for an end to the Gaddafi government and set fire to police and security buildings.[119][122] In Zintan, the protesters set up tents in the town centre.[119] The armed protests continued the following day in Benghazi, Derna and Bayda. Libyan security forces allegedly responded with lethal force. ....

    Protests took place in Benghazi, Ajdabiya, Derna, Zintan, and Bayda. Libyan security forces fired live ammunition into the armed protests. Protesters torched a number of government buildings, including a police station.[126][127] In Tripoli, television and public radio stations had been sacked, and protesters set fire to security buildings, Revolutionary Committee offices, the interior ministry building, and the People's Hall.[128][129]

    According to a report from the International Crisis Group, "much Western media coverage has from the outset presented a very one-sided view of the logic of events, portraying the protest movement as entirely peaceful and repeatedly suggesting that the government's security forces were unaccountably massacring unarmed demonstrators who presented no security challenge".[128]

-- "Libyan civil war", wikipedia

Notice that the Ziosphere is using the same tactic against Syria: Depict the armed revolutionaries and terrorists as Innocent Lambs.
16 Things Libya Will Never See Again
6 years ago

16 Things Libya Will Never See Again
24 Oct2011
  1. There was no electricity bill in Libya; electricity was free for all its citizens.
  2. There was no interest on loans, banks in Libya were state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.
  3. Having a home was considered a human right in Libya.
  4. All newlyweds in Libya used to receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
  5. Education and medical treatments were free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.
  6. If Libyans wanted to take up a farming career, they would have received farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms... all for free.
  7. If Libyans could not find the education or medical facilities they needed, the government funded them to go abroad. For it was not only paid for, but they got a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.
  8. If a Libyan bought a car, the government used to subsidize 50 percent of the price.
  9. The price of petrol in Libya was $0.14 per liter.
  10. Libya had no external debt and its reserves amounted to $150 billion -which are now frozen globally.
  11. If a Libyan was unable to get employment after graduation, the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she was employed, until employment was found.
  12. A portion of every Libyan oil sale was credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
  13. A mother who gave birth to a child received U.S. $5,000.
  14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya used to cost $0.15.
  15. 25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.
  16. Gaddafi carried out the world's largest irrigation project, known as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

-- From Michael Parenti's Facebook Wall, and other places:

See also "Silencing The Critics"
THIS is what the Humanitarian War Makers want to do to Syria!
6 years ago

"Mission accomplished!"

"Sirte is a wasteland"

"Funeral turns into anti-U.S. protest"

"Libya, before (2007) and after (2011) 'Liberation'"

    Congressional Republicans are pressuring the White House this week to intervene in Syria. They are basing their case, bizarrely enough, on the president's war in Libya. "I think the Libyan model could serve us well," Sen. Lindsay Graham said this week. "We need to help the rebels militarily, economically, and let Assad know that he is an international outlaw and be held accountable.... We should consider a 'no drive, no fly' zone, too, pretty quickly."

    For interventionists in Congress to claim that the Libyan intervention "served us well" is absurd in the extreme--unless the "us" excludes entirely the Libyan people. Libya wasn't a model--it was a thoroughly illegal, totally dysfunctional catastrophe. The fact that anyone can still tout Libya as a success without it being as politically-damaging and obviously ludicrous as claiming Iraq as a success is a testament to the complete disengagement of the American people and U.S. media.

-- David Bier, "The 'Libyan Model' Won't Save Syria",The Skeptical Libertarian, 06 Mar 2012

The death toll for this Blissful NATO Intervention now stands at 30,000 according to the NTC. Compare this to the situation in Syria, where a foreign-backed insurrection has resulted in at most 8,000 deaths, over a one year period, with many of the deaths being police and soldiers killed by the "Peaceful Protesters". The Big Humanitarian war-addicts in our midst weep buckets of tears for every rebel allegedly killed in Syria, while shedding not a tear for the Syrian loyalists killed by the rebels and showing not a trace of concern for how many will be killed if the insurrection proceeds or provides the foreign-backers with a pretext for military aggression. Have these Big Humanitarians counted the dead in Libya? Probably not. Like Lindsay Graham, they probably view the butchery in Libya as a Sterling Triumph.
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam
6 years ago

'Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam' ('Furthermore, I think Carthage must be destroyed')
- Marcus Porcius Cato Censorius (the Censor), Sapiens (the Wise), Priscus (234 BC, Tusculum - 149 BC) Roman statesman

more: to todays world?

There is no Sirte any more
6 years ago

"Let me correct what you just have said in here... Sirt is not been destroyed, it is been erased human wise and construction wise. There is no Sirt any more. I am trying so hard to explain to people what has happen there, no matter how much i speak or write, i can never give % 5 from what really has happened in real life. I lived it there day by day. I wish that I have died and not lived with all sort of bad pictures and thoughts in my mind."

Heroic Town Sirte in October 2011.

Reflections of a survivor from Sirte.

Name is not published for security reasons and the text is completely unedited.

"I have lost faith in life after what has been done to the people of Sirt who were killed in masses with no mercy. I was in Sirt for 58 days, no food, no life, shooting from every corner, couldn't count the number of the dead people and couldn't help to put them into their graves. Bullets were falling on us like the drops of heavy rain from every direction. This not to forget the NATO missiles and explosions that never stopped, which killed and destroyed whoever and whatever came in its way.

We were very lucky not to be killed when we left Sirt. People from Musrata and the eastern part of Libya were shouting Allah Akbar while they were killing people from Sirte like if we are non Muslim to them.

This - and worse - is what happened to countless Libyan children during the "humanitarian war"

The people of Sirt have lost everything they have spent their lives to create.

I mean, why would someone get married and create a family when someone with no mercy comes and kill all of them. It is like if s/he never got married and never had a family. It is the same to many others who have spent their life working hard to have a decent home and certain life standard but this again has gone and been lost just like they never worked.

What is the different between the people of Sirt and any homeless person who never had family to live for or home to live in. Regardless to how thing will change and hope to become better but it would never make the life easier for those who lost everything they had.

Today, there is no medicine, there is no water, there is no money, there is no schools, there are no jobs.

What faith would someone should have in life after s/he has lost all of what makes life of a person.

This is the Arabic Spring to the Libyan people.

I am not sure what is their definition of the Arab Spring ?!!!

This Spring is equal to the crime and destruction of humanity in the Arab and Muslim world."

How is Libya's women faring these days?
6 years ago

here's my twopence worth on How Libya's women are faring these days:


Libya: in 1969 women became equal-before-the law; forced marriage were outlawed in 1972, and men & women were not allowed to marry before age of 20; divorces had to be decided by court (and women usually got child custody). On 2011-10-23 Mustafa Abdul Dschalil announced "this law contradicts sharia and is void" - NOW, polygamy is allowed again [as is child marriage], divorce is hugely inequal for men (they just have to announce it, no reason needed) and women (who can only divorce for very few specific causes) etc....  (Werkstatt-Blatt 3/2011; my transl.)



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