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It DOES contain a lot of facts and links.

THERE ARE LOTS OF NEW PEOPLE COMING TO CARE2, AND TO THIS GROUP. THEY MAY WANT TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

And not just daily talk about daily news; but something THAT GIVES THEM SUBSTANTIAL, BASIC INFORMATION.

Also: I suppose some people are like me, my computer takes SO LONG TO LOAD, that I very seldom watch videos -- altho they are AMONG THE BEST EVIDENCE FOR WHAT THEY SHOW. {I saw videos at my Public Library!}

So, there should always be SOME PRINTED-OUT THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT, I think. Or pictures, anyway, that are not videos. Pictures show a LOT, too. Including our LOGO picture.

BMutiny T

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1: No steel building has ever totally collapsed from fire. Not one, in the entire history of skyscrapers, not one.

2: Hundreds of buildings have collapsed to the ground in a manner similar to the 3 collapsed buildings that day. Every one of them was by controlled demolition.

3: Witnesses on 9/11 saw, felt and heard explosions and this was recorded on video, photographs and audio tapes and backed up by recorded testimony.

4: The owner of the building tells us on camera that he authorized the demolition of WTC7.

5: It takes weeks of planning and installation to prepare a building for controlled demolition.

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Bush SAW the plane hit the first tower. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpdjFV6nYB4

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Dang, what was the President thinking?

He WASN'T! His description would ONLY be consisitent with the FIRST plane hitting the twin towers. Anyone seeing the SECOND plane hit would have said, "That was no accident!" Yet the second plane's impact was all anyone else ever saw on TV.

Bush LIED!

Bush was sitting in his limo in front of the school in Florida, watching the first plane hit the north tower via closed circuit TV.  How did they know that it was going to happen for him to be watching when he was already late appearing in that classroom of children?  Why would they have a camera trained on that tower if they didn't know it was going to be hit?  And then there was the FEMA agent that admitted that they had actually arrived the night before but couldn't take any action until the next day. 

The moral of the story is, if you are a "liar," never put a microphone in your hands.  You will tell off on yourself every time.  Lies always come back to haunt you. 

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I've been looking into the evidence of 9-11 since it happened and have found the deeper you dig, the more dirt you can find.  There's so much, it's incredible.  Like did you know that Rumsfield announced Sept. 10, 2001 that the pentagon 'misplaced' over 2.3 TRILLION dollars?  Was this a lucky coincidence? Did anyone acutally hear about this?http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

And what about the 9 so-called hijackers that were found alive? http://www.welfarestate.com/911/

Also, do you know who the name of the man in charge of security at the twin towers?  Marvin Bush, GW's brother!

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html

What about the gold that was taken out of the basement just a couple months before?

Just learned today that the BBC broadcasted that WTC building #7  coming down almost 1/2 hour before it did!

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=6013

And there's so many stories of pre warnings, I don't even know where to begin; you can google search this subject and research it yourself.  You'll be amazed at the stuff you can dig up! 

Yet, the majority of my own friends and family won't even look at the evidence! ...and think I'm crazy!  I think it's like what BMT said (btw, your posts were great!) that they don't want to look for what it would mean if they were convinced, and the fact that our government could do something like this is really upsetting.  I was even accused of WANTING to believe this!  I've found that people standing up for the official report haven't really looked at the facts or the ludicrousy of the offical story for they'd see that it goes against the laws of physics!  Or they are a product of what the mainstream media tells them, and they don't want to question it. 

And speaking of media, I'm disappointed in the few alternative news networks that we do have; they don't seem to want to 'go there' either!  Democracy Now did have the debate between the guys who made 'Loose Change' and the editors of 'Popular Mechanics', but haven't seen them do a follow up with David Ray Griffin's new book "Debunking 9-11 Debunking", maybe I missed it, but don't think so.  The only news organization who's really kept up with this is INN World Report http://www.innworldreport.net/  Hats off to Lenny Bruce!  If you don't have Dish Network Satalite TV, throw out what you've got now so you can tune into FreeSpeechTV and WorldLinkTV!  It's the only television worth watching.

Thanks BTM for mentioning how these facts are wrongly labeled a 'conspiracy theory'!  I'm deeply insulted when I hear this word given to those who just want answers!  If anything, the official report is the conspiracy THEORY because it doesn't hold water!  By labeling these people who have raised questions "Conspiracists" is like labeling them 'kooks', and this was totally intentional! 

Okay, thanks for letting me vent -- I know I'm only 'preaching to the choir', but since my own family and friends won't listen, this is the next best thing...at least I get to share some of my finding.  I think communication and awareness is so very important, but like they say, you can only lead the horse to water, you can't make him drink.  Hopefully someone learned something they didn't already know.

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Ted Olson's Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three Official Denials David Ray Griffin Global Research Thursday, April 3, 2008 Late in the day on 9/11, CNN put out a story that began: “Barbara Olson, a conservative commentator and attorney, alerted her husband, Solicitor General Ted Olson, that the plane she was on was being hijacked Tuesday morning, Ted Olson told CNN.” According to this story, Olson reported that his wife had “called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77,” saying that “all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers. The only weapons she mentioned were knives and cardboard cutters.”2 Ted Olson’s report was very important. It provided the only evidence that American 77, which was said to have struck the Pentagon, had still been aloft after it had disappeared from FAA radar around 9:00 AM (there had been reports, after this disappearance, that an airliner had crashed on the Ohio-Kentucky border). Also, Barbara Olson had been a very well-known commentator on CNN. The report that she died in a plane that had been hijacked by Arab Muslims was an important factor in getting the nation’s support for the Bush administration’s “war on terror.” Ted Olson’s report was important in still another way, being the sole source of the widely accepted idea that the hijackers had box cutters.3 However, although Ted Olson’s report of phone calls from his wife has been a central pillar of the official account of 9/11, this report has been completely undermined.

Olson’s Self-Contradictions
Olson began this process of undermining by means of self-contradictions. He first told CNN, as we have seen, that his wife had “called him twice on a cell phone.” But he contradicted this claim on September 14, telling Hannity and Colmes that she had reached him by calling the Department of Justice collect. Therefore, she must have been using the “airplane phone,” he surmised, because “she somehow didn’t have access to her credit cards.”4 However, this version of Olson’s story, besides contradicting his first version, was even self-contradictory, because a credit card is needed to activate a passenger-seat phone.

Later that same day, moreover, Olson told Larry King Live that the second call from his wife suddenly went dead because “the signals from cell phones coming from airplanes don’t work that well.”5 After that return to his first version, he finally settled on the second version, saying that his wife had called collect and hence must have used “the phone in the passengers’ seats” because she did not have her purse.6

By finally settling on this story, Olson avoided a technological pitfall. Given the cell phone system employed in 2001, high-altitude cell phone calls from airliners were impossible, or at least virtually so (Olson’s statement that “the signals from cell phones coming from airplanes don’t work that well” was a considerable understatement). The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004.7

However, Olson’s second story, besides being self-contradictory, was contradicted by American Airlines.

American Airlines Contradicts Olson’s Second Version

A 9/11 researcher, knowing that AA Flight 77 was a Boeing 757, noticed that AA’s website indicated that its 757s do not have passenger-seat phones. After he wrote to ask if that had been the case on September 11, 2001, an AA customer service representative replied: “That is correct; we do not have phones on our Boeing 757. The passengers on flight 77 used their own personal cellular phones to make out calls during the terrorist attack.”8

In response to this revelation, defenders of the official story might reply that Ted Olson was evidently right the first time: she had used her cell phone. However, besides the fact that this scenario is rendered unlikely by the cell phone technology employed in 2001, it has also been contradicted by the FBI.

Olson’s Story Contradicted by the FBI

The most serious official contradiction of Ted Olson’s story came in 2006 at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker. The evidence presented to this trial by the FBI included a report on phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. In its report on American Flight 77, the FBI report attributed only one call to Barbara Olson and it was an “unconnected call,” which (of course) lasted “0 seconds.”9 According to the FBI, therefore, Ted Olson did not receive a single call from his wife using either a cell phone or an onboard phone.

Back on 9/11, the FBI itself had interviewed Olson. A report of that interview indicates that Olson told the FBI agents that his wife had called him twice from Flight 77.10 And yet the FBI’s report on calls from Flight 77, presented in 2006, indicated that no such calls occurred.

This was an amazing development: The FBI is part of the Department of Justice, and yet its report undermined the well-publicized claim of the DOJ’s former solicitor general that he had received two calls from his wife on 9/11.

[By the way, I can't be credited with the long article at the beginning of this post.

I was citing some other writer and article, that I forgot to give credit to. I can't recall now where it came from.

So, don't thank me for writing that!]

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It's so nice to see a group that shares this feeling. I only wish EVERYONE would open their eyes and see the picture. It's like 3/4 of the world pretend everything is OK, don't question anything, and just keep going.  I'd add something, but I think it's all been covered up above there

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Joanne:

It's not like 3/4 of the WORLD is shutting their eyes! I think what you mean, is, 3/4 of the UNITED STATES is shutting their eyes! MOST of the WORLD, DOES know!!!!! AND, is SPEAKING OUT ABOUT IT!!! But, of course, as our media is SO CONTROLLED, WE aren't allowed to hear about that!!!

People from ALL OVER THE WORLD, and NEWSPAPERS ALL OVER THE WORLD, have stated 9/11 revelations! People in the rest of the world, outside of the United States, are LESS AFRAID than people here. People in the U.S. who have spoken out about 9/11, have lost their jobs, and, worse, received DEATH THREATS for it!

I also think, that maybe the number here in the U.S. who doubt the official 9/11 coverup and lies, is larger than you think! Again, our media doesn't carry it -- and, we are conditioned to think, if it's not in our daily newspapers, it doesn't exist!!! [That's why the Internet was invented!!!]

As I stated, MANY in the U.S. who HAVE spoken up, have been threatened -- some may even have been killed, how would we know? What's a few more murders, to the criminals {Cheney and Bush!} responsible for 3,000 deaths on 9/11?

But, nevertheless, according to polls, THE MAJORITY OF NEW YORKERS DO NOT BELIEVE THE OFFICIAL LIES.

I think MORE people DIS-BELIEVE, but are AFRAID TO SPEAK UP. That is my opinion. I COMMEND YOU, AND ALL OTHERS ON THIS AND OTHER FORUMS, WHO HAVE THE GUTS TO SPEAK OUT FEARLESSLY AND INFORM OTHERS -- AND GIVE THEM THE COURAGE BY YOUR EXAMPLES, TO SPEAK OUT TOO.

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Boy you are so right on.  I've read the stuff that other countries think of us and our government, and we're just a complete joke in all their eyes, except of course to those of us in denial here in the U.S.  I'll admit I've "opened" the eyes of many people that I know regarding the real TRUTH to all of this. It's so obvious too when you place them right in front of someone with no other distractions. People do see the light, but just not enough want to admit it or do anything about it. I sure the heck don't see why not.  Aren't we the ones that are supposed to have the say so as to what goes on with our government? What happened to Freedom of Speech?  pssshhhh.....  anyway... I won't go on, although I could , but actually there is one thing I will say... what ever happened to the wreckage from the crash into the pentagon? I've watched the footage and there is no airplane there, nor is the destruction large enough to support that fact... hmmmmm.....

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The Fire that could melt Steel, but not burn Paper

The Truth Will Set You Free
Friday, April 18, 2008

The sentence just above represents accurately ALL Ruling Classes of ALL countries.

Do not, here on Care2, use Xenophobia or Racial Prejudice to suggest that any ONE country has a corner on immorality. That is NOT what Care2 is here for. That is NOT ACCEPTABLE on Care2. There is not any ONE country in the world that is worse than all other countries. Not Mexico, not China, not Israel........

The State of Israel and the United States have many aims and goals in common. {I mean, of course, their RULING CLASSES do. These are NOT the true aims of either the people of Israel, nor of the people of United States.} The governments of both countries work together to accomplish their mutual aims. To the dis-service, of course, of the planet and ALL its people.

Power-wise, however, THE STATE OF ISRAEL IS SMALL POTATOES, COMPARED TO THE UNITED STATES POWER. And, Jews or Zionists or Israelis or Mossad or whatever you want to call them, DO NOT HAVE A SORT OF HYPNOTIC ARCANE POWER TO BEND THE U.S. GOVERNMENT TO THEIR WILL. If the U.S. government and the Israeli government are working together, IT IS BECAUSE THE RULING CLASS OF THE UNITED STATES WANTS IT THAT WAY.

You canNOT say, that the U.S. govt would be OK, if it weren't for those "EVIL INFLUENCES OF A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT"........

Totally remove Israel from the picture, and THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT WOULD STILL BE JUST AS EVIL; JUST AS MUCH A THREAT TO THE PLANET, to world peace and to the animals, etc. etc. etc.

It is quite probable, that OTHER FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SERVICES, including MOSSAD, knew all about 9/11 in advance. And, most certainly, THEY ALL DO NOW. This was stated by the ex-President of Italy in Italy's largest newspaper. A moment's reflection, and you will see that THEY HAD TO HAVE KNOWN AT SOME POINT.

However, this is NOT the same as saying, Israel was RESPONSIBLE for 9/11. They could have KNOWN. Even maybe supplied some of the hi-tech.

However, THE DECISION WAS FROM PNAC. And PNAC is 100% AMERICAN. You can't get OUR govt off the hook, by blaming a SCAPEGOAT.

The fact that Israel may have benefitted in some way, or its govt THINKS it may have benefitted {remember, its people did not benefit}, also does not mean that "Jews were behind 9/11". Nor does a 40-year-old incident mean that "Israel wants to attack the U.S.". Why should they want to attack their closest ally and arms supplier anyway?????

These allegations come from sites that stir up hatred against Jews. They should be warned against, and Care2 members should THINK about what they are reading there. These sites are USING and EXPLOITING 9/11 Truth sites to actually DIVIDE THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT AND SOW HATRED. Hatred against ALL Jews, such as myself, not just against those who live in the State of Israel.

By the way, it should be unnecessary to state, not ALL Jews support the horrendous crimes of the State of Israel against Palestinians, against its Arab neighbors, and for that matter against its own darker-skinned Jewish population. Israel is an Apartheid state like South Africa was. We can denounce its crimes. But that does NOT make it an evil entity that is eviller than other states that commit similar crimes of violence and discrimination.

And, needless to say, there is NOT one great big world-wide conspiracy of all Jews everywhere, going on for centuries..... total Racist nonsense.

9/11 could ONLY be an Inside Job. ONLY people known to Marvin Bush, who was in charge of security of the WTC complex, could have gotten into the 3 buildings to plant the bombs that brought them down. ONLY the United States Air Force chain-of-command, of which Cheney was the head on 9/11, could have given "stand-down" orders to pilots not to interfere with the attacks.

A bunch of foreigners with explosives stuffed under their coats, couldn't've gotten into the WTC buildings past security, cameras, alarms, bomb-sniffing dogs, armed guards, etc. A foreign national could no more give orders to NORAD, than you or I or my Aunt Pat, could.

THE BUSHCO MIS-ADMINISTRATION, CLEARLY BENEFITTED FROM 9/11 MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE. THAT IS INDISPUTABLE.

THEY NEEDED IT; THEY GOT IT.

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What is the name of this barbaric, medieval country that has the conscience of a hyena and the morals of a slimy, poisonous toad?

THIS IS NOT A FACTUAL STATEMENT OF ANY SORT.

THIS IS HATE PROPAGANDA, PURE AND SIMPLE.

First of all, what is wrong with hyenas and poisonous toads? they are beautiful, interesting, and valid parts of the Natural World.

I think Care2 members would be averse to using such words as "pig" and "dog" to describe evil people.

However, THESE ARE TRADITIONAL HATE WORDS in many cultures.

HATE WORDS SHORT-CIRCUIT COMMON SENSE AND ANY SORT OF RATIONAL DISCOURSE, BY GOING DIRECTLY TO PRIMITIVE EMOTIONS.

The state of Israel is actually quite a modern country.

WAR is barbaric and medieval. DISCRIMINATION AND APARTHEID are barbaric and medieval.

GOVERNMENTS DO NOT HAVE CONSCIENCES. Since WHEN do governments have consciences? Not WHILE they are committing the crimes that almost all governments commit. Maybe AFTERWARDS, when it doesn't make much difference. Like with the U.S. and ITS indigenous population, maybe???

What morals do slimy, poisonous toads have or not have? They are just trying to live out their little toad lives. Their poison is their protection. They don't ASK us to pick them up!

THIS SORT OF RHETORIC IS JUST TO GET A KNEE-JERK REACTION OUT OF YOU BY STRINGING TOGETHER A LOT OF WORDS YOU ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE A NEGATIVE REACTION TOWARDS -- like the PHYSICAL reactions you might have, encountering actual slime or actual poison.

Then these negative words associated with bad things, are ATTACHED TO a country or a people or organizations or whatever.

THAT IS WHY I CALL THIS, BLATANT HATE SPEECH, HATE PROPAGANDA. It may not have been SEEN this way, at first. It may not have been so INTENDED, by the poster. BUT, THAT IS WHAT IT IS.

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I merely post the articles you make your own decision's