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H1N1 Vaccine Controversy August 11, 2009 3:23 PM

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 August 12, 2009 6:43 PM

One day a month, go for a walk through a forest on a windy day, and the chances are excellent that you will have sufficient immunity to the molecules of your world, to ward of the microbes that are constructed on this planet.

 

Manufactured molecules are the danger.

No one is immune to the chemical industry.

 

Note also that those who do get sick, will produce vast amounts of microbes... perhaps enough to overcome your own immunity.. so tell you family and friends to join you in your monthy walk in the forest on a windy day. Immunize them.

 

 



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Please note associated news August 12, 2009 10:27 PM

Washington Post: Swine Flu Vaccine Will Contain Mercury


Health & Wellness  (tags: swine fluvaccine,researchstudyrisksinterestinghealthhealthcare,governmentethicsdrugsdisease ) 
 Elena - 17 minutes ago - prisonplanet.com 

The Washington Post confirmed today that the swine flu vaccine, which is set to be rolled out nationwide this fall in what some fear could ultimately become a mandatory vaccination program, will contain mercury, a toxin linked with ...... 
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live link for noting story below August 12, 2009 10:39 PM

http://www.care2.com/news/member/785880716/1218534

 

This article is well worth reading... It nullifies all of the posts and articles from the CDC, saying that vaccines are safe, effective and everyone should take them.. kind of like breakfast cereal... 

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 September 04, 2009 12:22 PM

Swine Flu Jab Link to Killer Nerve Disease

 

A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.

The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to The Mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.

 

Read more in The Daily Mail August 15, 2009: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....z0Q9v2nl2g

 

Go read Swine Flu… What Should You Do?
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 September 04, 2009 2:46 PM

Educate yourself about Guillian Barre' before you panic; it is associated with most commonly with eating undercooked poultry next is gastrointestinal or lung "virus" or bacteria that is generally referred to as the common cold or stomach "flu". 

 

You have as much of a chance getting GBS with every viral or bacterial infection that enters you body.  There is no "cure" for GBS although most people fully recover, the incidence of GBS is about 1.5 people per 100,000

 

They do not know what causes GBS as it is quiet rare and usually follows a minor infection, it is an auto immune syndrome.

 

I agree you should be informed, I agree that some people are at a higher risk, that said if we do not understand that the first wave of H1N1 will likely not be the virus at its full potential, which is the open door to allow a vaccine to provide antibodies to halt/slow future waves there is a serious potential due to the nature of this specific virus to not only infect, but kill in large numbers.

 

The mortality in children appears associated with pre-existing illness and is very high, equally pregnant women have lowered immune response because they are pregnant, H1N1 takes advantage of that in its replication process.

 

Use things we know work, wash your hands use natural or not natural antiviral to clean things like door knobs, open public restroom doors with your elbow or after you wash your hands use a paper towel to pull the door open.

 

Information is a good thing, scaring people is not. The choice you make is yours and yours alone, please let other people do the same and provide material that is from a worthy source where links to information and explinations are presented.

 

Sources like the "Daily Mail" are equal to the "Enquirer", they are tabloids where you see stories about fat alien clones from Zeno who run the government or pretty much anything to sell the paper. Truths are only useful if you understand what they are and the scope of their potentials.

 

Be smart people.

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British doctors refuse to take swine flu drug... September 07, 2009 2:41 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208716/Half-GPs-refuse-swine-flu-vaccine-testing-fears.html

PS: For the record, my family has been buying and reading the Daily Mail every day for the last 45 years! The Daily Mail, first published in 1896, is a well-respected, quality newspaper and is nothing whatsoever like the National Enquirer!!!

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 September 25, 2009 10:11 AM

Doctor Admits Vaccine Is More Deadly Than Swine Flu Itself & Will Not Give It To His Kids  

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Regarding GBS........... October 01, 2009 7:09 PM

You do not fully recover from GBS. And, typically, it is the result of untreated Hepatitis or Mononucleosis. Where are you getting your info from?

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 October 02, 2009 6:01 AM

Actually Scott most do fully recover from GBS, my information come from education and over 30 years of practice. We also do not know what causes GBS, 50% of the cases follow a viral or bacterial infection.

 

From NIH "Most patients, however, recover from even the most severe cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome, although some continue to have some degree of weakness".  Fact is about 80% fully recover and some will have weakness for up to a year and this is worldwide so statistics are such that cases where proper intervention was not delivered.

 

From Mayo clinic "Recovery can take weeks or years. Most people survive and recover completely. According to the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, about 30 percent of patients still have some weakness after 3 years".

 

From Wikipedia "Most of the time recovery starts after the fourth week from the onset of the disorder. Approximately 80% of patients have a complete recovery within a few months to a year, although minor findings may persist, such as areflexia."

 

From Neuro channel "Most patients with GBS recover completely, but some have residual weakness, numbness, and occasional pain. A small number of patients are unable to resume their normal daily activities or occupation."

 

From GBS foundation " Many patients require an intensive care unit during the early course of their illness, especially if support of breathing with a machine is required.  Although most people recover, the length of the illness is unpredictable and often months of hospital care are required."

 

GBS is very rare approx 1 or 2 people out of every 100,000

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 October 02, 2009 2:35 PM

The mask slips, for those with eyes to see: preparing for the real pandemic

Here’s a fascinating commentary on the current vaccination controversy from Kevin Annett, who you might know from the movie “Unrepentant”, which was about the sad history of residential schools for natives in Canada. Thanks to Michael for sending this our way. Kevin’s website is hiddenfromhistory.org

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Body bags photo from mtl911truth.org

“Last week, many of the aboriginal people in the remote west coast village of Ahousaht were innoculated with the tamiflu vaccine. Today, over a hundred of them are sick, and the sickness is spreading.

In the same week, body bags were sent to similarly remote native reserves in northern Manitoba that have also received the tamiflu vaccine.

On the face of things, it appears that flu vaccinations are causing a sickness that is being deliberately aimed at aboriginal people across Canada, and this sickness will be fatal: a fact acknowledged by the Canadian government by their “routine” sending of body bags to these Indian villages.

Before you express your shock and denial at the idea that people are being racially targeted and killed, remember that murdering Indians with vaccinations is not a new or abnormal thing in Canada.

Indeed, it’s how we Europeans “won the land”, and it’s one of the ways we keep it.

In 1862, Anglican church missionaries Rev. John Sheepshanks and Robert Brown inoculated interior Salish Indians in B.C. with a live smallpox virus that wiped out entire native communities within a month, just prior to the settlement of this native land by gold prospectors associated with these missionaries and government officials.

In 1909, Dr. Peter Bryce of the Indian Affairs department in Ottawa claimed that Catholic and Protestant churches were deliberately exposing native children tosmallpox and tuberculosis in residential schools across Canada, and letting them die untreated. Thousands of children died as a result. (Globe and Mail, April 24, 2007)

In 1932, B.C. provincial police attempted to lay charges against Catholic missionaries who had sent smallpox-laden Indian children back among their families along theFraser river near Mission, BC. The RCMP intervened and protected the church, even though whole villages were wiped out as a result of the church’s actions.

In 1969, native children who escaped from the Nanaimo Indian Hospital on Vancouver Island described being inoculated with shots that caused many of them to die ”with bloated up bodies and scabs all over”, to quote one survivor.

Knowing this history, it’s not surprising when Indians on isolated Canadian reserves start sickening and dying en masse from sudden illnesses, after receiving flu shots.... more at site, please visit

 

From  http://thebovine.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/the-mask-slips-for-those-with-eyes-to-see-preparing-for-the-real-pandemic/

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 October 03, 2009 3:13 PM

Thank you Cowboss for the article....mre food for thought.

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Natural News October 08, 2009 9:58 AM

"One of the key researchers who worked on the top cervical cancer vaccines has decided to go public with a warning about their safety. Her name is Dr. Diane Harper, and she was a researcher for both Merck and GlaxoSmithKline. She's now on the record saying these vaccines "...will not decrease cervical cancer rates at all."

 

This is a highly unusual development. Rarely do Big Pharma's own researchers speak out against the vaccines they've worked on. Read more about this astonishing development in today's feature story"

http://www.naturalnews.com/027196_cancer_cervical_cancer_cancer_vaccine.html

 

 

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 October 08, 2009 11:32 AM

and now if you wish to read the real story and not from an adulterated source such as natural news :

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/19/cbsnews_investigates/main5253431.shtml

 

What she says is since the vaccinne is a 5 yr vaccine more information should be provided if your going to give it to a child 11 or 12 years old. The part about them not effecting cancer rates has to do with the need for a 15 year vaccine; not that it does not work.

 

Possibly has to do with the fact HPV is a sexually transmitted disease and most 11 yr olds are not sexually active so results are not going to prove much of anything researching results from them over a 5 yr period.

 

Just more fear mongering.  Don't give your chid the vaccine, fairly simple. PAP cut cervical cancer rates by 12 times, the vaccine is no more than a tool.

 

"Dr. Harper agrees with Merck and the CDC that Gardasil is safe for most girls and women. But she says the side effects reported so far call for more complete disclosure to patients. She says they should be told that protection from the vaccination might not last long enough to provide a cancer protection benefit, and that its risks - “small but real” - could occur more often than the cervical cancer itself would."

 

Reality not manipulation make good decisions.

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 October 09, 2009 9:29 AM

Urgent Lawsuit Filed Against FDA to Halt Swine Flu Vaccines; Claims FDA Violated Federal Law

Health freedom attorney Jim Turner is filing a lawsuit in Washington D.C. mid-day Friday in an urgent effort to halt the distribution of the swine flu vaccine in America
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S. Flu October 09, 2009 11:26 AM

Yes, I know.  I've refused both flu shots.  Even the regular shot contains mercury.  I'm taking 4,000 units of Vit. D3 each day as my alternative.

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 October 09, 2009 12:04 PM

again in reality all one has to do is ask for thimerosal free vaccine and yes it is avalilable with the swine flu vaccine a well as the regulr flu shot.

 

I suggest you read more than "natural news"

 

From todays Boston Globe:

 

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/10/09/swine_flu_vaccine_passes_safety_test/

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 October 22, 2009 4:27 PM

In their latest example of tyranny and intimidation, the FTC and FDA have teamed up to threaten Dr. Andrew Weil with criminal arrest and prosecution over his true statements about an immune boosting formula containing astragalus (an herb that can help protect you against the swine flu).

 

The FTC, it seems, cannot tolerate true statements about botany. Read more details about the terrorizing of Dr. Weil here:

http://www.naturalnews.com/027303_the_FTC_America_vaccines.html

 

 

Dr. Weil, by the way, is right about astragalus. Here's a large collection of supporting statements about astragalus and the flu from a variety of health experts:

http://www.naturalnews.com/027302_astragalus_the_flu.html

 

 

Also today, Evelyn Pringle turns in another take-no-prisoners article detailing the morbid profit motive behind today's vaccine push:

http://www.naturalnews.com/027301_swine_flu_influenza_pandemic.html

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Boston Globe story October 22, 2009 4:45 PM

......."wariness about the 2009 swine flu vaccine may find echoes in the last time the federal government embarked on a major inoculation campaign against swine flu. Thirty-three years ago, a different strain of swine flu erupted on the Fort Dix Army base in New Jersey..... side effects previously unseen with any other flu vaccine were linked to the 1976 inoculation, including a rare neurological complication, the risk-benefit calculus simply did not favor getting vaccinated" 

 

Quote from Boston Globe story above... 

 

In other words, the political costs got too high to support the drug companies, so the vaccine was pulled and the whole scary story just went away, along with the vaccine. The politicians were happy, the drug companies got to keep all of the money and everyone except those injured or killed were happy.


The last time the swine flu came around, the same things were said; This vaccine is safe, it is effective and it will not harm anyone.. They spent Billions on fast tracking, developing and distributing  hundreds of millions of doses, just like this time... Guess who profited? Big Pharma monopoly.... Guess who got harmed? Those who took the vaccine... What happened? A lot of people developed the negative side effect of a supposedly rare neurological disease... 

 

This time, history may be repeating itself. Except this time around, no one can sue the drug companies, if the above repeats itself.. So you are out on a limb with no safety net on the drug side.. How does that make you feel? 

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Legal immunity for drug makers October 22, 2009 4:46 PM

 

http://www.care2.com/news/member/194727002/1246323

 

Quote in comments section below above story;

 

Barbara B. (17)Sunday September 13, 2009, 6:06 am "Flu shots contain 25 micrograms of mercury. One microgram is considered toxic. By age two, most US children have received around 237 micrograms of mercury through vaccines alone.

 

Vaccines contain the following toxic and other substances: – thimerosal (mercury); – aluminum hydroxide and phosphate; –ammonium sulfate; – amphotericin B, – animal tissues and fluids, including horse blood, rabbit brain, dog kidney, monkey kidney, chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg, pig blood, and porcine (pig) protein/tissue; – calf serum and fetal bovine serum; – betapropiolactone; – macerated cancer cells; – formaldehyde; – formalin; – synthetic phenol; – gelatin and hydrolyzed gelatin; – glycerol; – human diploid cells (from aborted human fetal tissue); – MSG; – the anti-biotics neomycin and neomycin sulfate; – phenol red indicator disinfectant dye; – phenoxyethanol (antifreeze); – potassium monophosphate; – polymyxin B; – polysorbate 20 and 80; – residual MRC5 proteins; – sorbitol; – sucrose; – tri(n)butylphosphate; – VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells linked to the SV-40 virus known to cause leukemia; and – washed sheep red blood cells.

 

One, or a combination, of these substances can play havoc with the human immune and neurological systems and cause deadly autoimmune and other diseases." (SOURCE:http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14937)

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Are Vaccines the quackery of modern medicine? October 23, 2009 5:35 AM


Barbara B. (17)

http://www.care2.com/news/member/194727002/1246323

 

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Saturday September 26, 2009, 12:58 am
Vaccines are the quackery of modern medicine. Mass vaccination programs not only fail to protect the population from infectious disease, they actually accelerate the spread of disease in many cases. 

Many websites have cropped up over the last few years to counter the pro-vaccine propaganda put out by drug companies (who profit from vaccines) and health regulators (who serve the drug companies). One of those sites is www.VaccinationDebate.com , which lists the following historical facts about vaccines: 

• In the USA in 1960, two virologists discovered that both polio vaccines were contaminated with the SV 40 virus which causes cancer in animals as well as changes in human cell tissue cultures. Millions of children had been injected with these vaccines. (Med Jnl of Australia 17/3/1973 p555) 

• In 1871-2, England, with 98% of the population aged between 2 and 50 vaccinated against smallpox, it experienced its worst ever smallpox outbreak with 45,000 deaths. During the same period in Germany, with a vaccination rate of 96%, there were over 125,000 deaths from smallpox. (http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/020&hellip 
The Hadwen Documents 

• In Germany, compulsory mass vaccination against diphtheria commenced in 1940 and by 1945 diphtheria cases were up from 40,000 to 250,000. (Don’t Get Stuck, Hannah Allen) 

• In 1967, Ghana was declared measles free by the World Health Organisation after 96% of its population was vaccinated. In 1972, Ghana experienced one of its worst measles outbreaks with its highest ever mortality rate. (Dr H Albonico, MMR Vaccine Campaign in Switzerland, March 1990) 

• In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 “Abstracts” ) 

• In the UK between 1970 and 1990, over 200,000 cases of whooping cough occurred in fully vaccinated children. (Community Disease Surveillance Centre, UK) 

• In the 1970’s a tuberculosis vaccine trial in India involving 260,000 people revealed that more cases of TB occurred in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. (The Lancet 12/1/80 p73) 

• In 1978, a survey of 30 States in the US revealed that more than half of the children who contracted measles had been adequately vaccinated. (The People’s Doctor, Dr R Mendelsohn) 

• The February 1981 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of obstetricians and 66% of pediatricians refused to take the rubella vaccine. 

• In 1979, Sweden abandoned the whooping cough vaccine due to its ineffectiveness. Out of 5,140 cases in 1978, it was found that 84% had been vaccinated three times! (BMJ 283:696-697, 1981) 

• In the USA, the cost of a single DPT shot had risen from 11 cents in 1982 to $11.40 in 1987. The manufacturers of the vaccine were putting aside $8 per shot to cover legal costs and damages they were paying out to parents of brain damaged children and children who died after vaccination. (The Vine, Issue 7, January 1994, Nambour, Qld) 

SOURCE: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14974
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Scandal; German Government buys 2 types of H1N1 vaccine; one for peasants, another for government of October 23, 2009 5:56 AM

Link to story about German government purchasing 2 different vaccine types; one version without additives for government,  then they are buying another one full of mercury and chemical 'boosters' for the common peasants. Of course, they are not telling people about this difference and offering no choices in the matter either. Disclosure? Forget about it...

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20091018-22649.html

 

German Government response is that they are not denying the above facts;

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4803801,00.html?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf

 

I wonder if the same thing is happening in the USA or something worse?

 

Dr Mercola says that; "Serious Vaccine Reactions To Now Be Called 'Coincidence'?"  Important factors to consider before making a decision to get vaccinated or take other flu drug. Live link;

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/20/Mild-Swine-Flu-and-Over-Hyped-Vaccine.aspx

 

Please promote this Care2 news story so that it will be front page news...

http://www.care2.com/news/member/979852695/1281577

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Wondering........... October 23, 2009 6:04 AM

So I wonder how a few companies that are effectively a monopoly can get away with producing a product that they say is so safe and effective, and at the same time, have ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY against any lawsuits for defective product, harm caused by the product, etc? 


This does not make much sense to me... does it to you?

 

If all vaccine products are so safe and effective, one would think that doctors and hospitals and the companies that make these products would have no problem with legal liability claims... Instead, they are either immune to lawsuits from people who are harmed or killed, or they are fighting in Congress to make themselves immune, no matter how many people are hurt or killed by their product or actions...

 

Whatever happened to the capitalistic approach to a free and open marketplace?

 

Why do vaccine makers need an absolute monopoly,  PLUS taxpayer funded social welfare to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars PLUS absolute immunity from lawsuits? 

 

 

 

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For much more detailed information about vaccination dangers; October 23, 2009 6:07 AM

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=10544&pst=659159

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Do You Know What’s in That Flu Shot? October 23, 2009 6:19 AM

Dr Mercola article quote; links lead directly to articles

 

"Most seasonal flu vaccines contain dangerous levels of mercury in the form of thimerosal, a deadly preservative that is 50 times more toxic than regular mercury. Most of the swine flu vaccines will also contain thimerosal, although they will reportedly make a limited number of doses available that are thimerosal-free.

 

If taken in high enough doses, thimerosal can result in long-term immune, sensory, neurological, motor, and behavioral dysfunctions.

Disorders associated with mercury poisoning include:

  • * Autism
  • * Attention deficit disorder
  • * Multiple sclerosis
  • * Speech and language deficiencies

It can also predispose adults to neurological problems such as Alzheimer’s disease and dementia.

 

The Institute of Medicine has warned that infants, children, and pregnant women should not be injected with thimerosal, and yet the majority of flu shots contain 25 micrograms of it, and this year you and your children may be exposed to as many as FOUR flu shots in quick succession.

 

Meanwhile, the EPA “safe” level of mercury is only 0.1 mcg/kg per day."

 

As a parent, who will you believe for the safety and health of your family? A monopoly drug maker concerned ONLY about PROFITS, with NO LEGAL LIABILITY, and no incentive to make anything safe, and no incentive to test anything?


Or will you believe the EPA, Institute of Medicine, and people like Dr. Mercola, Dr. Weil MD, and others who are passionate about protecting your health, your family, and seven future generations of your children?

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Makers of vaccines refuse to take it, their kids not getting it October 23, 2009 6:32 AM

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Dr. Ron Paul MD opinion about swine flu October 23, 2009 6:38 AM

 

The politics of disease; how the corporations are taking over the medical business, by forcing politicians to act as doctors.. Hear what an actual DOCTOR says about this swine flu 'epidemic' and the last one that came around.... 

 

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Be very afraid, very afraid, and panic NOW October 23, 2009 6:51 AM

 

a lighthearted humorous video, making fun of those who are saying we should be very afraid... and panic NOW.... when was the last time this happened? Remember the last swine flu panic?  

 

Anyone ever read the fairytale about the boy who cried wolf?

 

Yes, the flu might even kill a few people. How many die from the seasonal flu in a given year anyway, no matter how much panic/fear mongering goes on? I have heard the CDC says 49,999 people die in any given year from SEASONAL FLU... 

 

Those few people I have seen up to this point, who died from this 'new' swine flu, all died from complications. Dig into the deaths and you will find what I did... Most people never even bother to ask about this.  After the flu, other complications developed such as bacterial infections or the people who died had preexisting health conditions. 

 

Those who died that have been reported on the news, never did anything natural, such as homeopathics, herbs, etc... Ignorance can kill you and your family.

 

Educate, arm  and PROTECT yourself about the many ways to prevent and deal with viruses and bacteria via natural methods. The Nature Provides group is one place to find information about this.. 

 

 

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Why does the news and WHO, etc.. not include this in swine flu scare stories? October 23, 2009 7:03 AM

 


Dr. Pendergrast MD says that Vitamin D is probably better than any vaccine...and boosts immune system against all disease organisms...

 

Hmmmm... why is this not talked about on the boob tube?

 

Could it have anything to do with the fact that there is no PROFIT in it?

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Dr Mercola quotes statistics, discusses prevention and cure for flu October 23, 2009 7:07 AM

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Vaccines, flu shots, autism, and alzheimer's October 23, 2009 7:14 AM

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Robert Kennedy on the Vaccine Autism Coverup October 23, 2009 7:16 AM

 

 

Why do 1 in 100 kids now have autism? This disease was unheard of before vaccinations started being promoted and used..

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CDC Chief Admits that Vaccines Trigger Autism October 23, 2009 7:24 AM

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Bayer Exposed ( HIV Contaminated Vaccine ) October 23, 2009 7:28 AM

Who do you TRUST? Do you REALLY trust your life to the FDA, the US government and all of the lobbyist drug company reps getting big $$$ to stay in office and pass laws for those same drug companies?

 

Watch this video and see if it changes your mind at all......

 

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HIV And Cancer Come From Vaccines - Merck Vaccine October 23, 2009 8:05 AM

HIV And Cancer Come From Vaccines - Merck Vaccine 

 

Inside story from vaccine developer working for Merck, admitting that polio vaccines developed from animals such as monkeys, contains other 'contaminant' disease viruses from those same animals...He admits HIV was introduced to humans through vaccines.

 

He admits testing vaccines that were out in public and finding HIV virus in them. 

 

He also admitted that other vaccines had leukemia virus in them...cancer causing...


See story above this one for confirmation about how this actually happens in REAL LIFE, TODAY... Nothing has changed... 

 

Total immunity for drug companies. No one can sue for any of this..

 

Millions die each year from AIDS and leukemia and other cancers.. 



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 October 23, 2009 8:25 AM

youtube....the source of all truth....

 

You asked who do we trust?  Pardon me? We trust people who are not delusional and believe they can heal after taking a 4 months online course in herbs, we trust people who are licensed and board certified who graduated from real colleges.  We trust those whose goal in research is to help.

 

We trust common sense, we trust the fact that in reality more children have died from H1N1 in it's first 2 months than in a year or seasonal flu.

 

We trust parents who have common sense and responsibility to care for their kids and in that decision we trust they will be responsible for it.

 

We trust people so foolish they believe HIV>AIDS is a myth are a core of deluded people who apparently lack the skills or desire to read where HIV came from.

 

We pray that we find a legal solution for people so paranoid their goal is to instill fear in other for their own profit.

 

Vaccines save lives and in the millions, there is no discounting that. 

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Empowerment and positivity..... October 23, 2009 7:04 PM

Know that you too are loved....

 

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Everyone is perfect, just as they are October 23, 2009 7:19 PM

The law of attraction works.. this thread is like a seed cast on the waters... 

 

Those who want to see this information will find it, even if that is just one person at some unknown point in the future. Just one person benefitting from any of this will make it all worthwhile.

 

Those who can see and use this information, will see it, treasure it and use whatever part works for them.  Those who are not ready yet, will not not be able to use it or benefit from it..

 

No force or pressure to do or think anything different is intended nor implied. 

 

Those who resist this information will continue in this resistance..

 

Everyone is perfect, just as they are. Everything is in Divine Order...

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 October 23, 2009 11:27 PM

I see there is a difference of opinion here.

 

We all have to make our own choice as to whether to get the vaccine or not.  I have not had a vaccination for over 25 years and do not intend to get another one.  It maybe that the reason I was so unwell for many years is due to all the vaccinations I had prior to that.

 

I know that keeping the immune system strong does truly help.

 

So it is good to gather facts on both sides so an informed decision can be made for each and everyone of us.....and no mud slinging please. I for one love to hear all the facts on everything even if they do not support my view.

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The H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic: Manipulating the Data to Justify a Worldwide Public Health Emergency October 31, 2009 9:20 PM

Reliability of the Data

"The spread of the disease is measured by country-level reports of confirmed and probable cases.How reliable is this data. Does the data justify a Worldwide public health emergency, including a $40 billion dollar vaccination program which largely favors a handful of pharmaceutical companies? In the US alone, the costs of H1N1 preparedness are of the order of 7.5 billion dollars.( See Flu.gov: Vaccines, Vaccine Allocation and Vaccine Research)

Following the outbreak of the H1N1 swine flu in Mexico, the data collection was at the outset scanty and incomplete, as confirmed by official statements.( See Michel Chossudovsky, Is it the "Mexican Flu", the "Swine Flu" or the "Human Flu"? Michel Chossudovsky Political Lies and Media Disinformation regarding the Swine Flu Pandemic)

The Atlanta based Center for Disease Control (CDC) acknowledged that what was being collected in the US were figures of  "confirmed and probable cases". There was, however, no breakdown between "confirmed" and "probable". In fact, only a small percentage of the reported cases were "confirmed" by a laboratory test."

 

Source: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14901

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Seasonal flu shot may increase H1N1 risk October 31, 2009 9:25 PM

"Preliminary research suggests the seasonal flu shot may put people at greater risk for getting swine flu, CBC News has learned."

Source: http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/09/23/flu-shots-h1n1-seasonal.html

 

My comment; This may make logical sense, as increased loads of heavy metals from vaccines, could mean lowered immune response and increased risk of infection both to viruses and super bacteria.

 

The Staph super bacteria generated in hospitals seems to be what is killing all of the people in the CDC statistics... Note; the flu is NOT the killer. It is the bacterial infection that comes along right behind it... 

 

How many of those who die have gotten the seasonal flu shot, and how many vaccinations have they gotten over their lifetime? 

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What is killing people reported to have H1N1 October 31, 2009 9:32 PM

"A recent study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that of the 36 children who died from H1N1 from April to August, six had no chronic health conditions. But all of them had a co-occurring bacterial infection."..... 

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 November 01, 2009 4:48 AM

This week alone 22 kids died, yet not one side effect from the flu shots.  Funny how it is you see thousand upon thousands in line waiting for the vaccine and not one protester telling people how horrific the vaccine is.

 

What you do is fear mongering "Road" and people are wise enough to see it.  You have a choice for you and your child, that you are responsible for, no one else.

 

Even Care2 advertises for the shot, why are you not protesting them?

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 November 01, 2009 5:17 AM

For Some of Us, Vaccinations Are Just a Shot in the Dark

http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/michele_mandel/2009/11/01/11594711-sun.html

Quotes from the article:

The crazy conspiracy theorists on the Internet are claiming everything from a Big Pharma-induced pandemic to a Big Brother attempt by governments to control our minds. They are easily dismissed, but reservations about the vaccine remain.

For starters, there is no Canadian data yet that proves this new H1N1 vaccine is safe and effective, argues Arthur Schafer, director of the Centre for Professional and Applied Ethics at the University of Manitoba. Instead, it was hastily approved by Health Canada based on one small clinical trial of 130 healthy adults in Belgium.

"I'm not a vaccine wacko skeptic, I believe in vaccines, but I believe in vaccines based on good science and we don't have good science for the flu vaccine," Schafer argued. "A reasonable person who's trying to decide to be jabbed or not to be jabbed is making the decision behind the veil of ignorance."

 

While he agrees high risk groups should be immunized because H1N1 has proven serious for those with underlying medical conditions, Schafer sees no reason for healthy Canadians to clamour for the flu shot when it's been a mild virus. "I'm concerned that our public health leaders have overhyped the disease and oversold the vaccine," he said.

 

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He pointed to New Zealand, which went through its H1N1 flu season without a vaccine, and had predicted 18,000 deaths. "Do you know how many they actually had?" he asked. "Seventeen."

Needless to say, the grandfather has no plans to be immunized. Neither does Alan Cassels, a drug policy researcher at the University of Victoria.

He doesn't buy into any of the conspiracy theories flooding the Internet, but he understands why they're running rampant -- they're filling a vacuum left by public health officials who have done "a lousy job" communicating to a confused and nervous public.

It hasn't helped to learn that governments agree to an indemnity clause that exempts manufacturers from any liability if there are problems with a vaccine.

But this is just like any other flu shot, the experts assure us.

"I really want to believe," Cassels said. "But I've heard the 'trust us, we're experts' response so often and then they're disappointed when they're wrong that no, I don't put a lot of trust into it."

To be vaccinated or not to be vaccinated, the debate continues. And now with a vaccine shortage, we still have several more anxious weeks to ponder the answer.



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Lets see, so far the facts are; November 01, 2009 6:25 AM

Vaccine manufacturers cannot be sued for harm caused by their product. 

 

The public has to absolutely trust Big Pharma to do the right thing, despite no watchdog or auditor from the public making sure that they do the right thing.


There is no one inspecting their products, to make sure that there are no contaminants or other harmful things in there.. One of the above videos by Merck vaccine researcher says they contain all kind of other harmful things which cause even worse diseases down the road, all of which generate huge profits for Big Pharma.

 

There is no more incentive to protect the public from harm on their end, due to no more lawyers protecting the public with lawsuits. What are they afraid of;capitalism? An open capitalistic system works that way... Lawsuits keep products safer.

 

Big Pharma gets unlimited money from taxpayers to 'protect' us via their monopolistic products, via a state run socialized medicine process. Then they 'sell' the product to 'consumers' on top of the huge BILLIONS of dollars in subsidies in order to generate even more profits. 

 

There is no credible scientific data done by TRULY independent researchers that this vaccine or any other vaccine is safe long term, or short term for that matter. From article above; "there is no Canadian data yet that proves this new H1N1 vaccine is safe and effective, argues Arthur Schafer, director of the Centre for Professional and Applied Ethics at the University of Manitoba. Instead, it was hastily approved by Health Canada based on one small clinical trial of 130 healthy adults in Belgium." The same kind of process was done in the US. BIG PHARMA does the studies, and they have a vested interest, plus a bias. I define that as junk science, not impartial research. 

 

There are two types of H1N1 vaccine; one with toxic mercury additive and one without.. The only one being pushed on the public is the one with toxic preservatives. Government politicians and healthcare chiefs get the non preservative type. No mention of a choice is made by the 'pushers', and no government studies have been done of what the difference in safety is between the two types. In Germany, this is turning out to be a huge scandal..

 

Many countries like New Zealand have not vaccinated anyone and have not had any problems at all. What about all of the Third World Countries with many billions of people? They should be dropping like flies exposed to poisonous fly spray. There is no mass hysteria in their news and no nightly horror stories about the evils of H1N1 for months at a time, pushed by WHO and the CDC.


The World Health Organization is pushing hard to get everyone worldwide vaccinated, and the board of this organization is; you guessed it, staffed by Big Pharma... No independent public members there either, and no public watchdog groups are allowed in. In fact, most Third World countries cannot afford the vaccine, but that does not matter to WHO.

 

No workable cheaper or free alternatives to vaccines are discussed, explored or even researched, despite the fact that these cheaper or free alternatives exist and are used in places like India..Again, they cannot afford the vaccinations or the BILLIONS in social welfare that drug companies get.

 

When the news reports that 20 or 40  have died due to H1N1 directly, where are they getting the numbers from? From what I have heard, the health authorities have STOPPED COUNTING actual cases and deaths due to H1NI, and are using simulated computer models for the growth of this virus and cases of death from it.  Who is verifying these statistics? Garbage computer model data in, produces garbage data out. How do you count a death DIRECTLY CAUSED by H1N1 ALONE, when all of the death cases I am aware of are due to health complications from pre-existing conditions, or bacterial infections, not the virus itself? 

 

 

 

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Vit. November 03, 2009 6:35 PM

Yup, I take 4000 units of Vit. D3 each day.  I will NOT accept ANY flu shot.  I am glad to read so many of you have researched and know the truth of the mercury and of toxic chemicals in the flu serum.

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 November 03, 2009 7:45 PM

and all need to know they can request a thimerosal free flu vaccine.

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 November 03, 2009 8:09 PM

My whole life I have never had a flu shot nor have I ever had a flu. I choose not to have any of my children receive any either (none of them have ever a flu). When speaking to their doctor about my concerns pertaining to 2009 H1N1 he told me that it is not much different than a normal flu. The symptoms are the same and that it can be treated the same for a person with good standing health.

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 November 04, 2009 5:39 AM

(The paper is available free here )
ABSTRACT:

Programs for vaccination against the new influenza A/H1N1 targeting many hundred million citizens in Europe and the USA are to be launched in the fall of this year. The USA is planning to employ a non-adjuvanted vaccine, whereas European nations are opting for inclusion of MF59, the adjuvant contained in an alternative seasonal flu vaccine, or the related adjuvant AS03 that is contained in a recently developed H5N1 vaccine. We draw attention to unappreciated hazards of using adjuvanted vaccine in Europe. Evidence from animal experiments in conjunction with clinical epidemiological data indicates that, quite irrespective of cause, stimulation of the immune system may accelerate atherogenesis. Application of adjuvanted flu vaccines to individuals at risk may therefore aggravate the course of underlying atherosclerotic vessel disease with all the clinical consequences. The same may hold true for other widespread diseases that are propelled by deregulated immune mechanisms. Safety trials conducted to date have not specifically taken these possible side effects into account, and unexpected serious adverse effects thus may follow in the wake of a general vaccination program. A prudent consequence would be to establish careful survey systems alongside with mass application of new adjuvanted vaccines, or to hold mass vaccination in reserve for use only in situations of true need, such as would arise with the emergence of a more virulent new H1N1 virus strain, or to use non-adjuvanted vaccines in individuals who are potentially at risk for adverse side effects.

 

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 November 04, 2009 7:23 PM

Ok, swine flu, yup a definite killer the majority of the time.  NOT If the medical community wants to spear me they had better make it for something more sinister than the flu.  Polio, smallpox, etc.  Life threatening diseases or at the very least life altering. 

 

I personally have several auto-immune disorders already and from God knows what.  I'll not willingly risk getting another. 

 

Perhaps the medical community should confer with the Russians and Phage medicine.  They seem to be on to something and have been for many years.  Western medicine is not always the way to go.  Also, maybe we should listen to the conspiracy theorists even though we may not necessarily agree with them.  Remember, not too long ago the cell phone was science fiction; the man in the moon was science fiction and now we put man ON the moon; flying used to be for the birds.  You never know!

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Swine flu spreads to swine.... oops.. Now what will everyone eat? November 05, 2009 10:04 AM

"On the news front today, did you know that the USDA has just confirmed H1N1 infections incommercial swine in the USA? Might be a good time to sell short a few pork futures in the commodities markets, huh? Read the full news right here:

http://www.naturalnews.com/027403_H1N1_swine_flu_pork.html

 

 

The entire H1N1 vaccine hysteria, by the way, may have been completely fabricated for the sole purpose of making people desperately want something they can't have. I've reported on some fascinating research into covert human influence that reveals why a fabricated vaccine shortage has such a strong ability to hypnotize people into lining up for vaccine shots:

http://www.naturalnews.com/027404_hysteria_H1N1_vaccines.html

 

 

Have you heard about the proposed law that would force employers to pay for employee sick time when workers are sent home sick with the swine flu? In today's commentary, I explain why this should be renamed the "Pandemic Promotion Act of 2009":"

http://www.naturalnews.com/027402_health_employers_swine_flu.html

 

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My note;

 

This will most likely be used by other countries to shut down ALL US pig exports. I bet those in fear will stop eating pork, due to the FEAR that they might get swine flu from infected pigs. If I were a pig farmer, I would slaughter any sick pig, because they have the flu, and might infect other pigs. Where do those pigs go? Into the food supply... This will be interesting to see how it develops.

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 November 05, 2009 11:58 AM

It is not possible to get swine flu from eating pork, it is a virus and pork is not eaten raw, it is cooked.  The first domestic cat has just been found to have H1N1 Road, what the conspiracy theory on that?  What should all cat owners now do? The virus is alive in saliva, cats lick themselves you touch them.

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Perhaps of your computer was asked to go to real research done at real universities all over the world where straight facts, good and bad, were given alone with impact verses "Natural News" and youtube your information would be more than it is.

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If you don't wish vaccines don't take them, fairly simple but also don't expect socialized services like public school for your child either as the vaccines protect others.  But then you have time so home school would be no issue.

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Elena of course there are individuals that should not take the vaccine because of medical issues, always has been true, you can't take it if your allergic to eggs either but that does not mean in any way the vaccine is not effective.  If you wish to speak to protein shift and antigenic drift I will be please to speak to it.

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Finnish minister of health on the flu vaccine November 05, 2009 2:21 PM

A must read - to get another perspective on this so called pandemic. Again, to educate people - this must be viewed.

For you to believe or not, I leave that up to you.

A must watch video on the swine flu.  The Finnish minister of health speaks out against the make believe pandemic.  It is only 6 minutes but very powerful. For those involved in health activism, I suggest saving this before it gets pulled off the internet.  Good chance of that happening.

Click on link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTgyakGAddM

 

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 November 05, 2009 2:52 PM

Joy with all due respect pandemic is used as a term for geographics, it has zero to do with the disease or severity of the disease.  WHO set up the levels to allow 3rd world countries that do not have medical resuorces.

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The video you claim is so informative is saying that the goal is to kill 2/3's of the worlds population, that is totally insane.

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She claims in 1976 so many died from the swine flu vaccine the truth is, 40 million vaccines were given, 400 people got GBS (still do not know why) and a total of 25 people died.  It has never happened since.

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If anyone believes that video, they need to built a secure bunker with food and water for say 25 or so years.  It amazes me the ex "health minister" (has not been health minister for 22 yrs) also believes that newborns are being killed as they are born and 10,000 elderly have been killed in Europe, she believes this has to do with reincarnation.  She says Africans are really not starving and behaviors are being controled by microchips. She claims there is no death.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_738N1JR8g&feature=related

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She also claims she has been abducted 3 times by space aliens and has had over 100 "encounters" with space aliens.

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http://ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/2007/01/dr-rauni-leena-luukanen.html

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The lady needs psychiatric help and if she is your best source of "critical information" I suggest you look elsewhere.

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 November 05, 2009 8:14 PM

A friend sent me this and I thought I would pass it on.  This one is all mainstream news:

 

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/731.html

 

 

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Swine Flu Data Not Accurate Video November 05, 2009 9:47 PM

 

Thanks Wolfbaby; here is the actual video feed to make it easier for folks to see...

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re Joy November 05, 2009 10:05 PM

Joys video is well worth watching.. I rate it an 8 out of 10. I may not agree with her 100%, but she makes some good points. Thanks Joy... 

 

Plus, she is a retired chief medical officer, which puts her credibility way up there, as she is an INSIDER of the system she is talking about...

 

Here is  live link that is easier to click on and see...

 



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 November 06, 2009 4:01 AM

gee I wonder why you would rate it an 8 out of 10 Road.

 

Let put up her other video too.  The woman is mentally ill.

 

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 November 06, 2009 4:10 AM

If you trust the judgement of a human who claims the flu shots are to microchip you and uses referance from the movie the Matix as her proof, all I can say is you have the right to believe what you wish.

 

But I will add the rest of the population that believes that also, likely has a thought disorder.  I know many people who honestly believe very deluded things, they are also very ill with some form of mental illnness.

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re November 06, 2009 8:08 AM

I disagree with her references to "chipping". Everything can still happen the way it is right now, without people being 'controlled' by chips. It is fairly easy to program people to believe certain things in school and via the media.

 

Troops are taught to kill other human beings, including innocent civilians fairly easily, even though this violates a 'prime directive' to love as God loves and to NOT KILL. We are to love unconditionally...  We are all One, as this medical officer says.

 

Free will allows us to violate this soul 'rule' to not kill, as taught in the ten Commandments and in the New Testament, as well as in all of the other major religions. There are consequences to violating this rule. That is one reason why levels of PTSD, suicide rates are rising and mental illness/depression is becoming much more common in troops.

 

Health professionals are also indoctrinated or taught to believe and think a certain way through the same mental programming techniques that troops are also subjected to; loss of sleep, high stress, plus tons of programming... I have been around health professionals for a long time.

 

Health professionals often 'burn out' due to their specific mode of operating and duality belief system, which exposes them to lots and lots of negativity, with very little positive support. Doctors who go inside and develop their soul qualities, and experience the Oneness, are often labeled and judged as mentally ill. Doctors outside the rigid 'Matrix' are often attacked by the system that created them and their comrades.

 

The tendency for the standard medical professional who ONLY 'follows orders/programming'; as part of the 'Matrix', is to 'lock up' inside, and become full of fear. They often express this fear with anger/rage, because it is easier to attack anyone else who disagrees with them personally, rather than go inside and see what the fear is about and deal with that.

 

It is also very common for health professionals to try and fill the larger void inside with drugs, alcohol and/or other addictions...or an obsessive focus on something, such as the need to the one looked up to, as in God.. Doctors inside the 'Matrix' are often acting as God, making life and death decisions for people. If anyone disagrees, God gets mad and punishes those pipsqueaks who are arrogant enough to disagree with the ABSOLUTE RULE and LAW set up by doctors.

 

It is also very common for health professionals to become very defensive, trying to protect the small island of mental belief that they inhabit. Anything and anyone who threatens the rigid, dogmatic belief system as in 'the medical Matrix' that allows only drugs, vaccines, radiation and surgery, is often attacked viciously and personally.

 

I would like to see proof of her claims that old people and handicapped babies are done away with in Europe...I do not agree with that either, and reserve my opinion on it. Other than that, I would say she is right on, although outside of the Christian mainstream belief system.

 

She has gone inside, and done some work. I applaud her for that. I would not label her as mentally ill, anymore than I would call all troops or doctors mentally ill. I would also not label everyone who disagrees with me as mentally ill. 

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 November 06, 2009 9:04 AM

Fight Flu with Facts! Visit flu.gov. Call 800-232-4636. Text FLU to 87000.

 

"Initial Results Show Pregnant Women Mount Strong Immune Response to One Dose of 2009 H1N1 Flu Vaccine"

 

Healthy pregnant women mount a robust immune response following just one dose of 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine, according to initial results from an ongoing clinical trial sponsored by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) of the National Institutes of Health.

"For pregnant women, who are among the most vulnerable to serious health problems from 2009 H1N1 infection, these initial results are very reassuring," says NIAID Director Anthony S. Fauci, M.D. "The immune responses seen in these healthy pregnant women are comparable to those seen in healthy adults at the same time point after a single vaccination, and the vaccine has been well tolerated."

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, since the outbreak began last spring, at least 100 pregnant women have been hospitalized in intensive care units in the United States and at the last official count, 28 pregnant women have died.

A preliminary analysis of blood samples taken 21 days post-vaccination from a subgroup of 50 pregnant women participating in the trial shows the following:

  • In 25 women who received a single 15-microgram dose of the vaccine, the H1N1 flu vaccine elicited an immune response likely to be protective in 92 percent, or 23 of 25, of these women.
  • In 25 women who received a single 30-microgram dose of the vaccine, the H1N1 flu vaccine elicited an immune response likely to be protective in 96 percent, or 24 of 25, of these women.

The trial began on Sept. 9 and reached its target enrollment of 120 volunteers in mid-October. All participants are between 18 to 39 years old and began the study in their second or third trimester (14 to 34 weeks) of pregnancy. At entry into the study, the participants were divided at random into two groups: half are receiving two doses of a 15-microgram vaccine and the other half are receiving two doses of a 30-microgram vaccine. The two injections of vaccine are spaced three weeks apart.

Safety is being monitored closely in the trial, by the study investigators and by an independent panel of experts known as a safety monitoring committee. To date, the vaccine appears to be well-tolerated, and no safety concerns related to the vaccine have arisen.

The vaccine used in this clinical trial was manufactured by Sanofi Pasteur in its plant in Swiftwater, Pa., in the same manner as the company’s injectable seasonal influenza vaccine. Like the seasonal flu vaccine, the 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine contains a purified portion of the killed virus and therefore cannot cause infection. The vaccine does not contain the preservative thimerosal or an immune boosting substance known as an adjuvant.

NIAID is conducting this trial through five clinical sites affiliated with its longstanding clinical trials network known as the Vaccine and Treatment Evaluation Units. For additional information about the NIAID trial in healthy pregnant women, see the Sept. 9 NIAID news release http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/newsreleases/2009/H1N1pregnanttrials.htm and related Q&A http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/QA/H1N1pregnanttrials.htm .

For more information on influenza, including pandemic influenza and avian influenza, visit www.flu.gov. Also see NIAID's influenza Web portal at http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/topics/Flu/

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 November 06, 2009 9:06 AM

The personal attacks in this group are destroying any value this group ever had.  I don't understand why it's allowed to go on.

 

Everyone else is posting interesting links or information from different sources, for everyone to look at, except one person who is over and over again making personal attacks on other posters.

 

Your position and opinion can be stated without personally attacking someone else.

 

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 November 06, 2009 11:18 AM

You are so right. Name slandering is not a good idea and not permitted.  Any posts doing that will be deleted. 

Help me by flagging posts that do this name slandering.

I will repeat what I said last week:

 

"I see there is a difference of opinion here.

 

We all have to make our own choice as to whether to get the vaccine or not.  I have not had a vaccination for over 25 years and do not intend to get another one.  It maybe that the reason I was so unwell for many years is due to all the vaccinations I had prior to that.

 

I know that keeping the immune system strong does truly help.

 

So it is good to gather facts on both sides so an informed decision can be made for each and everyone of us.....and no mud slinging please. I for one love to hear all the facts on everything even if they do not support my view."

For the record, I am not at all interested in gettting this vaccine.  As I am in the healthy profession I am careful about telling people what my opinion is.  They have to make their own decision; that said I will pass on facts and say what my preference is.

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 November 06, 2009 11:29 AM

Also, for the record:

I am not at all against modern medicine; I go for a check up very year. I just do not have that much faith in it.  When I was very unwell they had no answers and I went to so many doctors that I do not know how many.  It was a very alternative way of thinking and doing that got me better.  I have been off disablity for 7 years and live a very full life.  I shovel my own walks, garden all summer and can walk for hours whereas I used to hardly make it from one room to the other.

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for the record November 13, 2009 11:25 AM

I also am not against 'modern medicine' just for the record.. But it is not a miracle, one size fits all system, that solves ALL problems for EVERYONE. This system is definitely not perfect, as it makes itself out to be.

 

Everything outside of modern medicine (drugs, radiation and surgery) is not quakery, useless and worthless, as this monopolistic system tries to lead everyone to believe. 


If I have a broken bone, I see a doctor.. To get diagnosed or at least to get some insight, I see a doctor..

 

But when it comes to preventing illness, finding root causes and reversing illnesses or degenerative conditions, in most cases, for myself, I will more than likely CHOOSE a natural approach, using diet, lifestyle, herbs, vitamins, homeopathy and various other modalities, such as Ayurveda, Accupuncture and more. 

 

I have found that Allopathy is good for certain things, but very weak in others. I combine this system with Naturopathy, for best results... Ideally, the system will allow and pay for herbs, vitamins, lifestyle choices that lead to health and prevent disease.

 

 

 

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Natural News November 13, 2009 11:33 AM

"Following our recent article on Dr. Mehmet Oz and his conflicts of interest from owning option shares in a vaccine technology company called SIGA Technologies, we were subjected to outrageous demands from the company's public relations counsel to retract parts of our story. They warned that our story was potentially "libelous" because it claimed their company was involved in vaccine technologies.

 

They repeatedly insisted they had nothing to do with vaccines and therefore Dr. Oz's ownership of stock options wasn't a conflict of interest at all.

 

Strange, I thought. So I posed this puzzle to our Facebook fans (http://facebook.naturalnews.com) who proceeded to dig up literally dozens of web links to public documents proving beyond a doubt SIGA Technologies' involvement in vaccines. (One document the firm filed with the SEC mentions "vaccine" 105 times...)

 

This fascinating collection of crowdsourced research includes SEC documents, patent documents, press releases, news headlines and much more. We've collected the best evidence in today'smind-blowing feature story that exposes the outrageous deceptions of this vaccine technology company which hilariously claims to have nothing at all to do with vaccines.

 

Check it out right here (and prepare to laugh your head off...)"

http://www.naturalnews.com/027483_SIGA_Technologies_vaccines.html

 

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My comment;

 

Conflict of interest is nothing new in the medical industry. There are revolving doors from the FDA to BIG PHARMA. Medical company lobbyists pass laws favorable to their monopoly, such as no lawsuits for harm caused by vaccines. Researchers are more often than not paid for by the same company that wants a favorable result, which is more often than not, what happens... Colleges are influenced to teach only certain things, certain ways, due to financial influence and politics extended into them by BIG PHARMA...

 

No alternatives are presented or offered by this MACHINE, structured much like the MATRIX, as featured in the movie by the same name.

 

 

 

 

 

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 December 13, 2009 8:34 PM

Mounting Debilities & Deaths from H1N1 Vaccine:
http://bit.ly/6NBoIv from Mercola.
Dr. Mercola's Comments:

Oh, how short our memories are.

It was only four short years ago when President Bush

projected that TWO MILLION Americans would die from the bird flu

Guess how many in the US died from bird flu?

Zero, not one person…

Mounting Debilities and Deaths from H1N1 Vaccine Links:


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 December 14, 2009 5:12 AM

About 10,000 people have died from H1N1, no one has died from the vaccine and only one case of GBS is potentially linked and that person is doing well and will have full recovery; this after millions of shots have been given.

I see this concept that if just one person appears to be harmed we should avoid the vaccine, I dare say the thousands dead would disagree with you and encourage people to be vaccinated.

Personally I do not care what anyone does as medicine is a personal choice, what I can say is until your qualified to gift medical advice, it is generally a good idea to not give it unless your willing to be responsible when someone follows advice or information you provide that they would not normally seek out. 

Care2 advertises for the flu shot as well as many vaccines. Do you believe the sites owner would accept medical advertising he thought would hurt you?

I don't.  Be smart get your informatuion from places where your actually talking to qualified people who know you and your unique situation and body, not some Internet group.

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 December 14, 2009 9:29 AM

Actaully you do not have the facts; people have died from the virus.

Every year 1000's of people die from the flu.

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 December 14, 2009 12:52 PM

Pardon me Dianne?  I believe I said 10,000 have died from the virus and your very correct that thousands die from the flu each year, just not mostly kids as H1N1 does. So exactly how am I misinformed? 

Your above list is titled "deaths from H1N1 vaccine" not virus...big difference.

Not one person has died from the vaccine, there has been 1 case of GBS, a woman who had a heart attack after she got the shot and a baby waiting for a heart lung transplant who died. The rest of the side effects are more allergic responses that the individual would likely get from any vaccine.

I feel pretty sure the complications for what they had prior to the shot likely caused their deaths verses the vaccine.  My point is why search and post that one case as if it was the norm?  It is not.  I could post all sorts of statistics but when you boil it all down, vaccines save lives. 

I also totally agree with preventive measures and common sense; that said I understand how the vaccine is made, how strains are targeted and reality is if H1N1 had been earlier it would have been part of the seasonal flu shot, would this site be so verbose if it had?

I have seen this site flooded with claims the flu vaccine was a genocidal tool, microchip tool, how people will be held a gunpoint and forced to take the shot, how one shot has enough mercury to kill, how mass graves are being dug and it all comes from the same people who are not qualified to evaluate another's health choice; or they make bogus claims of qualifications to convince people that they are "educated and informed" medically when they are not.   My personal view is accountability.

I dare say I am not misinformed and have the facts correct.

Please educate me and show me deaths directly attributed to the 2009 H1N1 vaccine and not related to underlying cause such as lung disease or cardiac disease.

Choice in health care is a personal choice, no one is forcing anyone to take the vaccine but they still line up.  When you have open groups that claim stuff like microchips, genocide and mercury death, a certain amount of responsibility falls on the moderators of open groups, which is likely why you changed the title of this thread.

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 December 17, 2009 8:25 AM

I believe an older gentleman in Ottawa, Canada has died from the vaccination. A young girl in the Toronto area had died from the vaccination.

This debate is old and should be dried up. Everyone just wants to voice their own opinion because the ego has to be right.


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 December 17, 2009 10:01 AM

Yes Britanny, there are a number of people who have died. I am not interested in proving it as there are numerous links to deaths and side effects.  As I said before each and every one of us has to make the decision to do what we need to do for our own body. It may be to have the vaccine or not to have the vaccine.

Britanny you are also right; let's move on. I am closing this topic.

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 December 17, 2009 11:58 AM

Dianna your not interested or you do not like the facts?

No one has died from the vaccine, they have from the virus and your action of removing my post is clear what your stance is. The reason you don't have "time to search" for the "deaths" it is because its not there.

This group is not supposed to be anti-anything, but it sure is.

I challange you to find one human being that died directly from the vaccine anywhere in the world, why because I am not accepting your word as fact and you say your so sure your correct.

If you prove me wrong I will glady apologize, will you?

I will re-post the removed post in a group that critiques hosts actions. 

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 December 17, 2009 1:06 PM

The point is not only about whether people die; it is that there are many side effects for some people. I do not think I would die but may suffer side effects and am not willing to take the risk. Each and every one of us has to make that decision for our selves. I do keep saying that. No where do I say Do Not or Do. 

This is a very controversial subject and we have to agree to disagree which some of you seem to not be accepting.

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