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Why is it so difficult to combine veg*n, organic/green/chemical-free, and health aware? October 10, 2009 4:20 PM

My husband and I have been vegan for 11+ years and vegetarian for 15+ years.  We've been organic and chemical-free for 15+ years and we've been 100% herbal and holistic for 15+ years.  We read some very helpful important information that helped us to make these important health decisions and we continue to live this way today.  I've been reading various posts in various forums on each separate subject that I just spoke of and it astounds and disheartens me that very few people have made the conscious strong decision to marry all 3 and live in this way.  I have 2 friends who share a similar lifestyle as I do and although I haven't met them yet face to face in person, I chat with 1 every night and I email the other friend a few times a month.  I felt so relieved and it was so refreshing when I discovered that they think the same way I do.  They're both vegetarian, herbal, holistic, chemical-free, and care deeply about and respect the environment and the animals and people.  I'm trying to keep this calm, but I feel very upset and frustrated about this.  As long as various known individuals and so-called health experts tell people it's ok and even good and important to eat a little meat and a little animal protein, people will continue believing this misinformation.  However, PCRM physicians, like Dr. Neal Barnard, M.D., a strict vegan, is very informed and advises people consistently to go vegan or at minimum vegetarian and he says that eating any animal products is unnecessary and unhealthy.  John Robbins, author of "Diet For A New America," the former heir to the Baskin Robbins fortune and business, advises people with the same healthy wise advice.  Thank goodness, there are some wise sensible people who do indeed listen to these wise intelligent people. 

 

So, I know people who are completely 100% chemical-free and organic, but they believe they need to eat meat.  I know vegans who live this way strictly for animal rights and their personal health and the environment is not as important to them.  I just don't understand why in this day and age, in the year 2009, the 21st Century, why this madness continues.  I also don't understand why some people use common sense and listen to alternative media like coastocoastam and Alex Jones on prisonplanet.com and they listen to experts who are not corrupt and genuinely care and want to help people, and yet the masses continue to listen to media mainstream controlled media and refuse to think for themselves and continue the madness.  One could say that this is a rant, but I'm also trying to understand and make sense out of something that simply doesn't make any sense at all.  Here's a good thought to ponder.  We're in the year 2009, the 21st Century, not the ice age.  Vegetables and fruits, grains, nuts, and seeds and various other organic veganic plant foods are growing nicely very well in regions where the weather is moderately balanced; I'm speaking about people who have their own private gardens and eco-villages and intentional cooperative communities that have shared communal organic veganic gardens, I'm not speaking about commercial farms.  There is no need to hunt or fish and rely on the animal kingdom for food, nutrition, and sustenance, and yet, hunting and fishing is still a very popular activity and many people actually believe it's necessary.  Oh, and to top it all off, people like my husband and myself and our dear friends seem to be very rare!  It's truly a mad, mad, mad, mad world and it doesn't make any sense!

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 October 10, 2009 5:02 PM

As opposed to being mad, perhaps you should be grateful you have a choice.

 

A billion people are aching from hunger right now, a child dies every five seconds from hunger or hunger related illness world wide. How many eco-villages does Dalfur have or the poverty stricken in America or any country?  I know families that if it were not for hunting and fishing they would die right here in the good old USA.

 

Perhaps moderation is a better approach; FYI Dr Neal Barnard is a non-practicing psychiatrist and PCRM is PeTA.  To follow the advice of a man who says feeding a child meat is child abuse and milk is "crack" seems a bit radical to me when groups that are feeding and saving life with things like PlumpyNut get the fact that unless you eat you die.

 

How do you feel about the fact Care2 partners with Heifer Inc?  We donated a goat (yes with a contract and yes eventually food) as the programs allow you to gift live animals, trees, honeybees and hope as well as many other needed things to stay alive.

 

I applaud your choice but you must remember it is your choice, many are not so lucky. As far a prison planet anyone who believes our own country attacked the WTC is not a worthy source of information IMO and does it to make money.

 

Moderation is the key to any change

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 October 12, 2009 12:35 PM

I think the fact that everyone has their own brain to figure things out and think for themselves is a good thing.  Personally, I have a hard time dealing with people who think some American guy sitting in his basement in the Philippines getting paid to talk into the radio a couple of hours a day is the best source of news and information.  That is, of course, Alex Jones of Coast to Coast.  There is a reason they clearly state on that program that it is for entertainment purposes only.

 

Maybe you should think like I do?

 

I agree he world needs to be a kinder place, for people and animals.  I don't think expecting everyone to follow every life choice one person makes is the way to a kinder world.  Besides, who gets to decide who the one person is who makes all the decisions for everyone is? 

 

I think it should be me, and my first decree is that no one should be sitting in judgement about another person's choices if those choices aren't harming another person or animal.  Not listening to a show that is produced strictly to make money, and is self delcared "for entertainment purposes only, like Coast to Coast should not be declared a crime.

 

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