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ThouShaltNot "If I Only Were A Goth" July 19, 2007 3:25 PM

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oh yea... April 11, 2007 5:16 AM

ive read almoust everything the man wrote... A great author and a jolly good ol' chap...  [ send green star]
 April 11, 2007 3:20 AM

very good one, xarl!!  i wanna make a shrine to wilde - what a great guy.
have you read de profundis?

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an ode to Oscar Wilde... April 11, 2007 2:08 AM

the new version of thePicture is up on SoundClick...

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yeah...... July 12, 2005 8:27 PM

hey Carl,
can't believe I missed this group^_^

always good to see Dead Can Dance,
Christian Death, the Cure & more such as...

....for you CROW fans: : : :

I remember sitting in the theatre around '94 or so
& trippin' when I realized that
Joy Division's tune Dead Souls
was playing in an ambient way on the

Nine Inch Nails covered it for that track,
according to a site I read [I never owned the soundtrack].

I saw New Order live in New Orleans
back around '87 or so, pretty damn good show
of course.

At my old pal's house, I still have a ton of
New Order's EP's & LP's on vinyl & some
great Joy Division vinyl as well^_^

Glad to see a post above for
Sisters of Mercy, love 'em.

Anyone remember
Sleep Chamber??
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 May 25, 2005 2:01 PM

Funnily enough Eirwen, E was designed to help kids get along with their parents and visa versa!!!!

All this musical remaniscence has prompted me to put Can . . . Tago Mago on the turntable.

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in terms of social impact May 25, 2005 1:38 AM

althoughthe punx did something ..i feel that the 'factory 'scene in manchester and beyond was so effective in turning a whole generation into rebels ..that it's impact is very underated because it was so insidious..however i know that after that scene had it's zenith was never the same again soceity had changed and has never really returned...even now, new order , joy division through to  bez , sean rider happy mondays stone roses have gone into folk hero status amongst those who are now the movers and shakers..and along with  it went 'E's a  drug designed to match the music..suddenly wild drug fuelled behaviour along with devotion to the music was now not the province of a select band of rebels it became an intrinsic part of ones leisure time for all parts of society .with love  and light eirwenxxx  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 May 25, 2005 1:27 AM

Released version (Atmosphere)

Walk in silence
Walk away in silence
See the danger - always danger
Endless talking - life rebuilding
Don't walk away - face the danger

Walk in silence
Don't walk away in silence *
See the danger - always danger
Rules are broken - false emotions
Don't walk away

People like you find it easy
Always in tune - walking on air *
They're hunting in packs
By the rivers, through the streets
It may happen soon *
Then maybe you'll care
Walk away
Walk away from danger

Walk in silence
Don't walk away in silence
See the danger - always danger
Endless talking - life rebuilding
Don't walk away

Walk in silence
Don't turn away in silence *
Your confusion - my illusion
Worn like a mask of self-hate
Confronts and then dies
[or on the Effenaar live version:
  Corrupts and then dies]
Don't walk away

People like you find it easy
Naked to see - walking on air *
Hunting by the rivers
Through the streets, every corner
Abandoned too soon *
Set down with due care
Don't walk away - in silence
Don't walk away

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joy division, the adress flew away... May 25, 2005 1:19 AM  [ send green star]
joy division part 2 May 25, 2005 1:17 AM

IconEarly 1978: Failures of the Modern Man

In January 1978 the band became Joy Division. In November 1977 the London-based group Warsaw Pakt had released an album, so Warsaw decided to change their name to avoid being confused with another band. They chose the new name from a harrowing account of life in a concentration camp during World War 2. This book, The House Of Dolls by Karol Cetinsky, is quoted by Ian in a spoken insert to the song No Love Lost. The Joy Division was the corps of young women kept in the camp for the pleasure of Nazi officers on leave. Partly due to the name, Joy Division (and later New Order) often had problems with Nazi accusations spreading around in the press. These both puzzled and angered the band, and they did not wish to dignify them with a reply. Far from containing Nazi propaganda, their lyrics preach quite the contrary message. Many other punk bands used much more direct Nazi symbolism with much less press comment. The first gig as Joy Division was played at Pips Disco in Manchester on January 25th 1978. It was not an auspicious start as fighting broke out in the crowd. Rioting became a feature of many later gigs, usually because the audience did not get to hear as much of Joy Division as they wanted. At the Stiff Records Test / Chiswick Challenge at Rafters on April 14th, the band had an opportunity to impress not only Rob Gretton but also Tony Wilson, already a well-known presenter on Granada TV. Joy Division were scheduled to appear last. As a result the band were so wound up that Tony Wilson and Rob Gretton were won over by the sheer energy of their performance At the beginning of May Joy Division recorded material for what was intended to be their debut album. This was done in collaboration with Richard Searling (who worked for RCA and was also a soul DJ), Bernie Binnick and John Anderson. John Anderson decided to put synthesisers on the final mix in an effort to produce a more "professional" sound. The band were unhappy with the recording session and disliked the result (especially the mix of Transmission). As no-one could agree what to do about re-mixing, the album was not released and became a source for bootlegs, eventually surfacing as the Warsaw album. Terry Mason, who had taken on the role of manager, was struggling to book gigs for the band. So around this time Rob Gretton became Joy Division's manager. Apparently Rob initially discussed this possibility at a chance meeting with Bernard, who invited him to attend a rehearsal and to talk to the band. Unfortunately Bernard forgot to tell the other members of the band about it until Rob had sat through the rehearsal session!

IconLate 1978: A Factory Sample

The Russell Club in Manchester had been taken over on Friday nights for gigs organised by Tony Wilson and friends. They called this venue The Factory. Joy Division's first Factory gig was on June 9th 1978. Peter Saville was asked to design the poster for the early Factory concerts, the first of many designs which became a feature of Factory's work in general and Joy Division's albums in particular. In the summer of 1978 Joy Division were members of the Manchester Musicians Collective, which held court at the Band on the Wall. The band was now rehearsing at a disused warehouse, converted into a rehearsal studio complex by Tony Davidson, owner of the TJM record label (some accounts also involve Tony Davidson in the production of An Ideal For Living; in other versions he was approached but was not interested). The austere rehearsal room seemed to reflect and amplify the band's haunting sound, which was starting to move away from its punk roots. Tony Wilson arranged for the band to appear on Granada TV on September 20th. They performed Shadowplay on the magazine program Granada Reports. A stark set, overlaid with bleak "centre of the city" shots taken from a Granada documentary programme, enhanced the impact of the music to make it a memorable performance. Tony Wilson and Alan Erasmus had decided to start up a record label. Like the Factory club, Factory Records was intended to encourage and promote local talent. Soon afterwards Peter Saville joined on a regular footing, and later Rob Gretton and Martin Hannett also became partners. Initially Factory's main band was Durutti Column, but when the new label decided to put together a sample of the work of several local artists, Joy Division were one of those asked to participate. On October 11th they went into the Cargo Studios in Rochdale to record two songs for the compilation EP A Factory Sample. This was financed by Tony Wilson and sold out its only pressing two months after its release, in December 1978. This was the band's first session with Martin Hannett as producer, performing Digital and Glass. Around this time there were rumours that Joy Division would leave Factory and sign for a major label. One rumour had them signing for RCA (Ian Curtis was a frequent visitor to RCA's Manchester office, There was another rumour that they would sign for Warner Brothers.

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joy division part 1 May 25, 2005 1:12 AM

IconLate 1976: Never Mind the Buzzcocks

This story begins on July 20th 1976, when the Sex Pistols played at the Lesser Free Trade Hall in Manchester, supported by local bands Slaughter and the Dogs and the Buzzcocks (making their debut). According to legend, this gig inspired Joy Division to buy guitars and form a band. Although the truth may be less dramatic, there is no doubt the event did stimulate the Manchester music scene in general and the future members of Joy Division in particular. Bernard Sumner (usually known as Barney) and Peter Hook went to the Sex Pistols gig with their friend Terry Mason. The three of them, who had been at school together in Salford, decided to form a band. As Barney already had a guitar, Hooky acquired a bass. Terry attempted to play the drums, although his efforts were not very successful. However, the main thing they lacked was a singer. Ian Curtis went with his wife Deborah to the gig. Ian and Deborah had been brought up in Macclesfield, although for a time they lived in Chadderton, near Oldham. Ian was interested not only in the music but also in lyric writing, and he too was trying to form a band without success. He already knew Barney, Peter and Terry from various gigs they had all attended in Manchester. When he made contact with them to enquire about the vacancy, everything fell into place. On December 28th 1976 the Buzzcocks recorded their Spiral Scratch EP, produced by Martin Hannett and considered by many a major landmark in the development of Manchester music. Ian got to know the Buzzcocks, especially Pete Shelley and their manager Richard Boon, and was motivated to emulate their success.

IconEarly 1977: Warsaw Concerto

Little is documented about the fledgling band in early 1977. During this period they used to rehearse at the Black Swan pub in Salford, among other venues. Although they now had a full complement, they were not ready for public performances. Neither did they have a name. The name Stiff Kittens was proposed by Richard Boon (the idea is also credited to Pete Shelley) but this was never adopted by the band. In fact they disliked the name, which was used only to publicise their first gig because they had to be called something! The band were due to appear at Manchester's Electric Circus on May 29th 1977 on a bill which included the Buzzcocks. Just before this gig they decided on the name Warsaw, inspired by the song Warszawa on David Bowie's Low album. They had also managed to recruit a drummer, Tony Tabac. Their first performance earned them a mention (not entirely favourable) in the national music magazines. At that time Martin Hannett was involved in arranging gigs for local bands, and he took Warsaw on his books. During June 1977 Warsaw made a number of appearances at The Squat and at Rafters Club in Manchester. The resident DJ at Rafters was Rob Gretton, who was also involved in the management of a couple of local bands. From the start Warsaw set out to write their own songs. Their initial efforts were crude but enthusiastic, and were soon left behind as they became more practised. This meant that very little material from this early period survived long enough to be recorded. The band's musical influences and ambitions inclined more towards the sound of The Velvet Underground and Iggy Pop than towards "mainstream" rock.

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Nick Cave before the bad seeds - real goth May 25, 2005 1:02 AM

Nick grew up in the Victorian country towns Warracknabeal and Wangaratta, during which time he spent five years in the church choirs and going to church three times a week. His parents were educationalists and his English teacher father read Nick ‘Lolita’ as a bedtime story. Between ‘Lolita’, the Bible stories and the rock and roll to come, Nick Cave was developing a potent creative outlook.

After a couple of unseemly incidents at the Wangaratta High School his parents were working at, Nick was bundled off to the city to attend and board at the exclusive Caulfield Grammer School. There The Boys Next Door started out in
1973 out as a band assembled by a bunch of arty students not at all attracted to joining sports teams. They played school dances, barbecues and parties, Nick usually picking a name on the spot if they were asked for one. The Boys Next Door was the name that stuck. They didn’t give their first real performance until they left school in 1977. By then the sixties rock/r&b, Lou Reed and Alice Cooper they’d been attracted to initially made way for punk rock, but specifically Australia’s own “version” The Saints and Radio Birdman.

The International punk brand (Sex Pistols, Clash) was creating music headlines and Melbourne’s Mushroom Records decided to get into the action by casting a net around for likely suspects for a compilation album. Not to tarnish its own reputation Mushroom gave the project its own label name, Suicide Records. Skyhooks’ Greg Macainsh recorded The Boys Next Door’s tracks. They were the only group on ‘Lethal Weapons’ other record companies were looking at. Along with the Teenage Radio Stars (Models-to-be) The Boys Next Door were also the only ‘Lethal Weapons’ act to go on the bigger things.

After recording the six songs for their first album at one studio, they were unhappy with the results and recorded the second side six months later at a different studio with producer Tony Cohen, by then having added guitarist Rowland Howard. Rowland brought with him the classic ‘Shivers’. After the release of ‘Door Door’ on Mushroom, The Boys Next Door shifted to the independent Missing Links Records for 1979’s mini-album ‘Hee Haw’ and took on the management of Missing Links’ owner Keith Glass (ex Cam Pact). Missing Links’ international contacts as a record importer and distributor as well as boutique recording label enabled the group to begin planning an international career. On the eve of their departure to England they also decided to change their name, and did it with the release of a single which acknowledged the name change ‘Happy Birthday’. Copies were given away at the group’s farewell performance at Melbourne’s Crystal Ballroom on February 16,
1980. The Birthday Party were one of the darkest and most challenging post-punk groups to emerge in the early '80s, creating bleak and noisy soundscapes that provided the perfect setting for vocalist Nick Cave's difficult, disturbing stories of religion, violence, and perversity. Under the direction of Cave and guitarist Rowland S. Howard, the band tore through reams of blues and rockabilly licks, spitting out hellacious feedback and noise at an unrelenting pace. As the Birthday Party's career progressed, Cave's vision got darker and the band's songs alternated between dirges to blistering sonic assaults.

Fad-ridden English music had moved on to electro-pop, giving Birthday Party a chance to offer an intelligent but aggressive contribution to the post-script of the punk era. They returned to Australia in November 1980. They were never a group who wanted to be loved by their audience, and they were less so now. It was during this period of recklessness in the face of an international future that The Birthday Party’s reputation as a live act was forged. With Tony Cohen producing again they also spent time to record a full length album, ‘Prayers On Fire’ to critical acclaim both at home and in England where they were helping give rise to the goth movement. The Birthday Party was bouncing back and forth between Australia and England. A third album ‘Junkyard’ appeared in mid-82.

The Birthday party then relocated to Berlin, to be closer to it physically, but to keep from being consumed by the English music scene, and in search of a new direction. They also found a lot of distractions, cultural and otherwise. The band returned to Australia and played its final gig in Melbourne on June 9,
1983, leaving Nick Cave and Mick Harvey to continue together with the Bad Seeds after a brief moment as Nick Cave and The Cavemen.

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Nick Cave (1981)

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 May 17, 2005 5:54 AM

killing joke is touring with motley crue?!?!?
nice site, though.  thanks, carl.
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Celene and the rest of ya... a great site!!! May 17, 2005 5:51 AM

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anonymous celene...... May 16, 2005 2:27 PM

That quote was excellent! it's one of my fav's also...... Avia thanks for the info on Brandon Lee'death, I appreciate it very much. It is a shame what happened to him. He was such a great actor, and he played the part of Eric Draven really well, the part was definetely made for him!!!!  [report anonymous abuse]  [ accepted]
brenda May 16, 2005 11:44 AM

my favourite 'the crow' quote: mother is the name of god on the lips and hearts of children. koni, dead can dance! what a fabulous band they were. i saw them live once and it's one of the most beautiful and interesting shows i've ever seen. if they ever get back together definitely go see 'em!  [ send green star]
 May 16, 2005 10:45 AM

thought I'd add....

The following scenes were completed after Lee's death:

  • Draven first enters the apartment after digging himself out of his grave: footage of Lee walking through an alley in the rain was digitally composited into the scene where he walks through the doorway. Computer technology added drops of water to the door frame to make the water on his back not seem out of place.
  • The shot of Draven falling from the window was made by digitally compositing Lee's face (complete with simulated blood) onto a body double.
  • The scene where Draven puts on his make-up was filmed using a double. The face in the smashed mirror was Lee's, computer-altered to fit the shards. The image of Draven walking towards the window with the crow on his shoulder was a double with Lee's face added during lightning flashes.
  • When Sarah visits the apartment, we never see Draven's face as it is a double.
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 May 16, 2005 10:44 AM


Brandon Lee died during a mishap on the set. A scene required a gun to be loaded, cocked, and then pointed at the camera. Because of the close-range of the shot, the bullets loaded had real brass caps, but no powder. After the cut, the props master (not the arms master - he had left the set for the day) dry-fired the gun to get the cock off, knocking an empty cartridge into the barrel of the gun. The next scene to be filmed involving that gun was the rape of Shelly. The gun was loaded with blanks (which usually contain double or triple the powder of a normal bullet to make a loud noise). Lee entered the set carrying a bag of groceries containing an explosive blood pack. The script called for Funboy (Michael Massee) to shoot Eric Draven (Lee) as he entered the room, triggering the blood pack. The cartridge that was stuck in the barrel was blasted at Lee through the bag he was carrying, killing him. The footage of his death was destroyed without being developed. Lee is the son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee, who died in mysterious circumstances before completing Game of Death (1978).

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 May 16, 2005 10:44 AM

The Cure has gone through so many transformations, it's so hard to classify them punk? goth?, but I definitely think they deserve mentioning.

The Cure

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anonymous The Crow May 16, 2005 9:55 AM

Brandon Lee- may he Rest in Peace   [report anonymous abuse]  [ accepted]
anonymous Here's a really cool saying from the movie May 16, 2005 9:51 AM

"People once believed that when someone dies a crow carries that soul to the land of the dead. But sometimes something so bad happens that terrible sadness is carried with it. And the soul can't rest. And sometimes the crow can bring that soul back to put the wrong things right."

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anonymous I love the Crow !!!!!! May 16, 2005 9:50 AM

I love  that movie!!!!!! Too bad Brandon Lee died in the making of the movie. I'm not sure what scene it was, most likely a scene they didn't add to the movie!!!!that's onr of my favrite movies of all time.  [report anonymous abuse]  [ accepted]
 May 16, 2005 9:14 AM

Formed in 1991 in England, Cradle Of Filth spent two years producing demos, such as Invoking the Unclean (1992), Orgiastic Pleasures (1992) and Total %#&!*% Darkness (1993). By the time they released their debut album, The Principle of Evil Made Flesh (Cacophonous, 1994), the line-up had mutated into a sextet: Daniel Davey (vocals), Paul Ryan (guitar), Robin Eaglestone (bass), Paul Allender (guitar), Benjamin Ryan (keyboards) and Nicholas Barker (drums). The album immediately established them at the top of the black-metal pyramid.

With a new keyboardist and singer-guitarist Stuart Anstis, the band released the six-song mini-album Vampire or Dark Faerytales in Phallestein (Cacophonous, 1996), mainly for contractual obligations, and finally their masterpiece, Dusk and Her Embrace (Music For Nations, 1997). By fusing heavy metal and progressive-rock, Cradle Of Filth achieved a kind of epic gothic that recalls more King Crimson than Venom (the instrumental The Graveyard By Moonlight).

After more internal turmoil, the band released Cruelty and the Beast (Myahem, 1998) and their first single ever, From the Cradle to Enslave (1999).

The band's skills at arrangement and pomp get out of control on Midian (Koch, 2000) and Bitter Suites to Succubi (Koch, 2001).

Lovecraft and Witch Hearts (Music for Nations, 2002) is a double-CD anthology.

Vocalist and guitarist Stuart Anstis started the ambient project Aphelion I-IV (Iris Light, 2001)

Cradle Of Filth's Damnation And A Day (Sony, 2003) marks a return to the heavy sound of their origins, although in a lighter, poppier version.

Nymphetamine (Roadrunner, 2004) sticks to what they do best, forgetting the "pop" element

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 May 16, 2005 8:37 AM

Dead Can Dance is pretty's a great mood setter.  Does Ministry count?  Some movies have great soundtracks as well, such as The Crow, Blade, Queen of the Damned....  Hey Carl, sorry I don't have any recordings of my band just yet....but I hope to remedy it soon (would love to send a recording of a song that I wrote about Vlad Tepes, entitled "D").  Keep rocking Carl!

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anonymous more bands May 16, 2005 8:23 AM

she also loves the Cult, and The Killers......  [report anonymous abuse]  [ accepted]
anonymous Hey Guyzzz!!!!!! May 16, 2005 8:09 AM

Type O negative is pretty cool!!!! I like a lot of the old stuff. My husband got me into a lot of cool bands. He likes a lot of hardcore stuff, but Slayer is the ultimate metal band, he worships them.I like a lot of old metal and some new stuff also. Pantera, Metallica,Suicidal Tendencies,Rush, I can go on. I get into a lot of the new wave stuff too.My daughter listens to a lot of cool %#&!*%!!!!One of the bands she listens to is My chemical Romance, The Ya- Ya's, a lot of different stuff. She loves the old stuff too like Led Zeppelin, and Bad Brains.       [report anonymous abuse]  [ accepted]
Nightwish May 16, 2005 4:56 AM


Following in the footsteps of the Gathering and Lacuna Coil (goth-influenced "symphonic" metal bands with female vocalists), Nightwish was formed in Kitee, Finland, in 1997 by keyboardist Tuomas Holopainen. Initially attempting to create acoustic music, he recruited trained opera vocalist Tarja Turunen, but soon added full metal-band instrumentation in the persons of guitarist Emppo Vuorinen, bassist Sami Vänskä, and drummer Jukka Nevalainen. The band's demos landed them a contract with the Finnish label Spinefarm, which released their debut album Angels Fall First in late 1997 (it appeared in the rest of Europe the following year). The follow-up, Oceanborn, appeared in late 1998 and made Nightwish a bonafide mainstream success in their homeland; the album reached the Finnish Top Five and spun off three Top Ten singles. The band toured Europe heavily, consolidating their success, and in 2000 recorded their third album Wishmaster. Not only did it top the Finnish charts, but it also became the group's first album to be released in the U.S. (by Century Media, which reissued their previous albums in 2001 as well). ~ Steve Huey, All Music Guide

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 May 16, 2005 4:54 AM

Vicki...I hear you! I really love the band!!  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
sisters of mercy May 16, 2005 4:49 AM

First And Last And Always by Sisters Of Mercy

One of England's leading "goth" bands of the 1980s, the Sisters of Mercy play a slow, gloomy, ponderous hybrid of metal and psychedelia, often incorporating dance beats; the one constant in the band's career has been deep-voiced singer Andrew Eldritch. (There is some disagreement as to whether the group took its name from an order of Catholic nuns or from the Leonard Cohen song of the same name.) Eldritch originally formed the band in 1980 with guitarist Gary Marx and recorded its first single with a drum machine dubbed Doktor Avalanche. Guitarist Ben Gunn and bassist Craig Adams were added to make live gigs feasible, and the Sisters built a reputation through several singles and EPs. Gunn left the band in 1983 and was replaced by Wayne Hussey. The Sisters of Mercy recorded their first full-length album, First and Last and Always, in 1985, but two years later, internal dissent had split them apart; Marx left to form Ghost Dance, and Adams and Hussey departed shortly thereafter. A legal dispute ensued over the rights to the name Sisters of Mercy; Adams and Hussey attempted to use the name Sisterhood, but Eldritch released an EP under the name to prevent its usage, and the two finally settled on the Mission. Eldritch chiefly utilized a corps of temporary sidemen from this point on (although former Gun Club bassist Patricia Morrison was an official member of the group for a short time) and rebounded with his two biggest-selling American LPs, Floodland and Vision Thing. ~ Steve Huey, All Music Guide

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faith and the muse May 16, 2005 3:54 AM

1994 Elyria Photo
Can a band with only two members be a supergroup? If so, Faith and the Muse are goth's first. Pairing William Faith (ex-Christian Death, Shadow Project, and Mephisto Waltz) with Monica Richards (ex-Strange Boutique), Faith and the Muse were predestined from the moment the two met in 1992, when Boutique opened for Project in Virginia.
my former husband was the bass player of strange boutique:
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 May 16, 2005 3:13 AM

Oh hey Avia! I just love HIM...too bad I fell into their music
after I missed their concert in Greece.
Now, I wait for them to visit again.

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HiM May 16, 2005 2:42 AM


Forming in Finland in the midst of 1995, H.I.M. portrays a true quest for the reinvention of goth rock. Setting as their main artistic ambition the creation of songs in the similar path of bands such as Sisters Of Mercy and the Mission U.K., H.I.M. uses a distinct compound of scowling melodies and mystical love stories' inspired lyrics to mark their musical ground. Vocalist and songwriter Ville Hermani Vallo was the band's founding member, alongside Migé Amour (bass), Lily Lazer (guitar), Gas Lipstick (drums), and Zoltan Pluto (keyboards). The EP 666 Ways To Love, the group's first recording, showed up in late 1996, attaining considerable praise within the Scandinavian market. One year later, Greatest Love Songs, Vol. 666 solidified their cult status throughout the region and celebrated the band's cover of "Wicked Game," a Chris Isaak original. It was at that time that the group gained a rising fan base all across Europe, entering an enduring and extensive touring season to even more wide-ranging acclaim. Three years later, Razorblade Romance, H.I.M.'s second album, hit record stores, again achieving substantial results and strengthening their indubitable recognition. With production credits featuring John Fryer, who previously worked with crews like White Zombie and Nine Inch Nails, the record substantiated the squad's better acclaim all across Europe. H.I.M. then suffered its first lineup change when Pluto left, later being replaced by Emerson Burton. Deep Shadows And Brilliant Highlights, the band's third full-length disc, arrived in late 2001, confirming the Finnish crew's better recognition and strengthening the band's growing legion of fans.

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 May 16, 2005 1:59 AM

I wondered where you went!  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 May 16, 2005 1:59 AM

I am here  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
hello Avia... May 16, 2005 1:52 AM

i wonder where you went...  [ send green star]
Koni... May 16, 2005 1:49 AM

dont you 've any recordings of your band that you could share?  [ send green star]
Type O Negative May 16, 2005 1:49 AM

Type O Negative

New York goth metal quartet Type O Negative is led by vocalist/bassist/songwriter Peter Steele and features guitarist Ken Hickey, keyboardist Josh Silver, and drummer Johnny Kelly. Steele formed Type O Negative in 1990 out of the remnants of thrash band Carnivore, along with his friend Sal Abruscato (drums). Type O's music slowed down the tempos of thrash metal, alternately satirizing and wallowing in a glum mixture of misanthropy, misogyny, depression, and vampiric vocals, as well as loads of cheap-sounding guitar distortion. The band's debut album, Slow, Deep and Hard, was released in 1991, featuring long, mopey dirges with titles like "Unsuccessfully Coping With the Natural Beauty of Infidelity." Not everyone appreciated Steele's dark sense of humor, though, and he was roasted by some critics who charged him with being a homicidal misogynist and Nazi sympathizer. A fake live album, The Origin of the Feces, appeared the following year, its notorious cover depicting a pair of spread buttocks (the album was eventually reissued with less graphic artwork). 1993's Bloody Kisses added surprisingly skilled Beatlesque melodies, and Steele's often ironic treatments of his depressing subject matter and the emotional and musical excesses of goth (particularly Type O Negative's brand) were deadly accurate and often very funny. Abruscato departed following its release to join Life of Agony, at which point Kelly joined the band. Bloody Kisses slowly won the band a cult following, thanks in part to the video for "Black No. 1" and the band's constant touring, and the album cracked Billboard's Top 200 well over a year after its release. The more upbeat follow-up, October Rust, appeared in 1996, building on the more pop-oriented tracks of its predecessor; in the meantime, Steele achieved notoriety by appearing as a Playgirl magazine centerfold. World Coming Down finally appeared in 1999 after a three-year hiatus, a considerably darker affair than October Rust but proof that -- in spite of Steele's pronouncements to the contrary -- its predecessors were no fluke. In 2000, Roadrunner compiled The Least Worst of Type O Negative, which featured European single edits and alternate mixes of the band's most popular songs, plus several unreleased tracks.

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nice to see you Koni... May 15, 2005 10:36 PM

i have to go to bed, but i guess you rock on as usual...  [ send green star]
Now you're speaking my language! May 15, 2005 10:32 PM

I LOVE wearing black...I even possess a few gothic gowns.  Love Bauhaus & yes, I also have a few Sandman comics.  Vampires?  Well, I own several vampire flicks, comic books & novels....favorite vampire novels would definitely have to be Brian Lumley's Necroscope series, it's such a wild trip.  Oh yes, I also have a vampire role playing game called Masquerade....great fun to play with a gathering of friends who like to dress the gothy part, & set the scene by playing gothy music & burning candles!  It's a great way to pass the time on Halloween.

Thanks for the invite Carl!  Cheers!

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what is goth??? May 15, 2005 9:43 PM

  • Gothic. A subgenre whose fans ("Goths") are typefied by interest in vampires, wearing all black, reading the Sandman comic, and listening to Bauhaus or Alien Sex Fiend. (SD)

  • peasant: a crude uncouth ill-bred person lacking culture or refinement
  • one of the Teutonic people who invaded the Roman Empire in the 3rd to 5th centuries
  • Goth is a modern subculture that gained visibility during the early 1980s within the gothic rock scene, a sub-genre of post punk, and continues to this day. It is associated with gothic tastes in music and clothing. Styles of dress range from gothic horror, punk, Victorian, fetish, cybergoth, androgyny, and/or lots of black. Since the mid-1990s, styles of music that can be heard in goth venues range from gothic rock, industrial, punk, metal, techno, 1980s dance music, and several others.
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    oh my goth!!! May 15, 2005 9:11 PM

    Bauhaus - In the Flat Field:
    While the gothic style had many precursors in pop music - and predated pop music by several hundred years (originating in the field of architecture and in the work of writers like Mary Shelley and Horace Walpole), Bauhaus' 1979 single "Bela Lugosi's Dead" is often cited as the first full-on "goth rock" song. Bauhaus set the classic goth rock template - glam, metal, and punk-influenced music that incorporated electronic elements, morbid and often picturesquely grotesque lyrics with frequent literary and cinematic allusions, and melodramatic, bassy vocals that could border on crooning. In addition to being in the seminal goth rock band, Bauhaus members later went on to found some of the 80s' finest goth and post-punk bands, from Peter Murphy's solo material and his work with Dali's Car to Daniel Ash's Tones on Tail and Love and Rockets to David Jay's solo career and work with the Jazz Butcher. In the Flat Field, the band's first LP - released in late 1980 - was to prove one of the most influential pop works of that decade.

    The Birthday Party - Junkyard:
    Arguably more post-punk than goth rock, but let's not have that argument just now. The Birthday Party were an amazing band, whose dramatic intensity, bleak lyrics, dark and brooding vocals, and self-destructive antics fit in well with the best of the goth scene. As with Bauhaus, a large part of the Birthday Party's importance lies in the bands that it spawned post-mortem: Mick Harvey went on to an interesting solo career as a producer and arranger, Rowland Howard went on to work with Nikki Sudden and Epic Soundtracks and join (with Harvey) the haunting goth group Crime and the City Solution, Phill Calvert joined the experimental noise ensemble Einstürzende Neubauten, and former Magazine member Barry Adamson went on to create his own disturbing brand of easy-listening. Nick Cave, of course, went on to become...NICK %#&!*% CAVE, one of the best and darkest songwriters of a generation. Junkyard captures the band at their most unhinged and volatile.

    Christian Death - Catastrophe Ballet:
    Yeah yeah yeah, this album - with its ridiculous fever-pitch of theatricality and its luridly distasteful subject matter - could be labeled almost ridiculous, but there's no fun to be had in laughing at goth rock - the black magic of this genre can only be felt on its own exacting terms. What's worth pointing out, instead, is that this morose, powerful record has the honor of being one of the best early works of the first truly notable American goth rock band, and as such it is massively influential. Plus no other non-strictly-metal band effectively deployed shock tactics in service of such a deep and vicious contempt for organized religion. Christian Death were one of the first and one of the bravest.

    Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures:
    If goth has a musical sacred text, this is it. Joy Division reshaped the raw anger of punk into paranoid, tight-wound, horribly beautiful music that was both insistently poppy (a side that dominated the band's later incarnation New Order) and darkly driving. Unknown Pleasures, their official debut album (after an aborted full-length and the EP An Ideal for Living), was a watershed for all "underground" music that followed - even its minimal line-art cover design (by celebrated graphic artist Peter Saville) remains one of gothic pop art's most resonant images.

    ...and ten more:
    Here are another ten great goth rock records that didn't quite make the cut
    Alien Sex Fiend - Who's Been Sleeping in My Brain?; Clan of Xymox - Medusa; Faith and the Muse - Evidence of Heaven; Kommunity FK - Close One Sad Eye; The Mission UK - God's Own Medicine; The Shroud - A Dark Moon Night; Switchblade Symphony - Serpentine Gallery; Siouxsie and the Banshees - Kiss in the Dream House; This Ascension - Sever; Tones on Tail - Pop

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