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4 years ago

Where's the thread for help for kitties? I know there is one but I can't find it. Of course I am a nervous wreck and am having a hard time with everything. Punkin has a good appetite, is still very loving and plays as much as she ever did but she has a problem. She spends so much time urinating and there are red blood cells all through it. Very few white cells which indicate a lack of infection. I am scared to death it is a cancer of the blood. Years ago little Heidi, an 11 year old dog had that and until near the end she acted normal. Right now Punkin is only on pain meds twice a day. She spent the day at the hospital but nothing specific was found. Any one else have this problem ever? The vet seems to think that maybe her urethra is irritated and that the pain med will allow her to relax and things will settle down. I don't hold with that theory, but I am not the vet. She recommended I buy a Feliway diffuser to help calm her down too. What do you think? Sugar

4 years ago

Oh, Sugar, I'm so sorry. I don't know anything that can be of help but I'll keep y'all in my thoughts and prayers. Was this her regular vet or the new one? A feliway diffuser can't hurt anything and, if she's at all stressed, {which she probably is} then it should help.

4 years ago

Hi Sugar,

Henry had some blood in his urine when he came here, and I took him to the vets thinking he had crystals, but the vet called it a plug that caused this. He was given valium in a low dose to relax him, and when he was done taking them the blood was gone and so far so good. OH, and he was given amoxi drops too.

4 years ago

Sugar, do you know what tests were done? Just blood work? Was there an ultra sound done to check for stones in the kidneys or a plug? Here's a link to some info that might help you. I hope this gets cleared up soon. Seems the "new thing" for vets to diagnose is this stress stuff ... but it might be what is wrong. Is Punkin on a special diet? Maybe to help the kidneys? So sorry this is happening. It is so hard to know something is wrong for our kitties and not be able to figure it out   

http://fabcats.org/owners/flutd/info.html

4 years ago

Sugar hope Punkin will be okay. Saying prayers for her. Stripes sends love.

4 years ago

Thanks everyone. Well she had her urine tested, x-rays taken and blood work and nothing seems wrong except she has a problem. An ultra sound is next if she doesn't come around. This is the new, young doctor treating her. No sign of infection. So no antibiotics. She slept for an hour and a half here on the sofa with me without going to potty. She is sleeping again right now after eating. She has never seemed to drink a lot of water. I wish she would drink more. There is always fresh water available. Her kidneys are working normal. Maybe she is just irritated and needs time and calm to heal. That and pain medicine is what we are using now. She isn't going to the litter box as often this afternoon. I keep my eye on her. I have paper, towels, old sheets all over for her to use and she has only been using the box so I don't know if there is any pink still. No one here has had a cat with no crystals or white blood cells in the urine and still making lots of litter box stops and blood? This is new to me. She has never acted sick since the first day when she vomited twice. Thanks for the prayers everyone and the love from stripes.

Sugar

4 years ago

Sorry to hear about Punkin's problem, Sugar.

4 years ago

Sugar, I was reading that a block, like Donna mentioned one of hers had, can cause what you describe. I've only had one who would go right after drinking, and she drank a lot, and it was her kidneys, but that showed up in the blood work. My blind kitty, Tori, hardly drinks anything, and yet she has a lot of urine. I don't see her straining, and she is going in a box, so I can't see blood. Now I am wondering if I shouldn't get a urine test done to see if she has blood in the urine, because she pees way too much for a cat that doesn't drink hardly any water. I even moved her water bowl way away from the food, because I read where they sometimes won't drink if the water is close to the food. Let us know what happens ... hope it all gets figured out soon. Sorry Punkin is having issues

4 years ago

Hi Sugar,

Sending more prayers and thoughts for you and Punkin.

I haven't had the problem with blood cells in the urine, but Bumbles tends to get stressed more than Saki does. When he gets really stressed he has prolonged bouts of vomiting and can get dehyrdrated. He's had a couple of those episodes over his life and ended up on a drip, but last time (a few years ago) the vet suggested low doses of valium to calm him down and it worked wonders - he stopped vomiting and no drip!

Know it's not the same problem, but I am hoping and praying that the pain meds will help with the irritation and relax Punkin and settle things down.

4 years ago

Hi Sugar, so sorry to hear of Punkin of having these problems. I sure do hope that it does clear up and get better with the meds she is on. It wouldn't hurt to get the feliway for her to get her relaxed. I think it is a worry for any cat owner when they feel something is definitely wrong. So hoping Punkin pulls through this. Hugs~

4 years ago

Hi Laura, Deb, Val and Sally. Well there is no blockage, that was eliminated and things are a little better. She also got a drip the day she stayed in the hospital. She has been begging to go outside so I let her out this morning. It is cool, but damp and she can come in on her own when she is ready. I will keep checking on her. She let me scratch her belly and gave me love bites last evening. She really feels better. I want to keep her stress level down and if she wants to go out on the deck, that's good. That is one of her favorite places to watch birds. She keeps hoping one will land right in front of her. No luck so far. She still isn't out of the woods totally. The thing that bothers me the most, what is the problem? Why did this happen and if it goes away will it come back?

Sugar

4 years ago

Sugar, glad Punkin's doing a bit better. I'm sorry you're so worried about her. I have no experience with the symptms you describe. Sound slike keeping her on pain medicine and stress free is helping a lot. Did you get the Feliway air diffuser? It's great she enjoys being on the deck.

4 years ago

Deb,

There use to be a product at Petsmart that was for detecting blood in the urine. I am not sure if it is Litter or a litter additive, but it changes color when there is blood mixed with urine.

 

Maybe your kitty pees when you are sleeping. I have not seen my new kitten use a box YET. The kitten was skinny, and now is a butterball. I can pick him up, but he shows no interest in me. Doesn't even purr.

4 years ago

Hi Darla and Donna. I'm afraid to believe it yet, but Punkin seems well on the road to recovery. Maybe that young vet knows what she is about. Getting pain meds and keeping her stress free seems to be doing the job. I think even allowing her outside is helping with the stress. She is in the kitty house on the railing under the hazelnut bush and seems as comfy as normal. She doesn't have to go potty like she did. It seems normal now. She is lying there watching the birds come in for the leftover cat food. One of her favorite spots. I just can't believe it! I'll keep you posted,
Sugar

4 years ago

Sugar, that is great news!!!  Yes, please keep us posted, because this is very interesting to me. If stress can cause them to have bladder irritation, then maybe it cuases other issues, too. Learning new stuff all the time!!

Donna, I will look for that stuff you mentioned. She seems fine, but she does pee a lot. I clean her box at least 4 or 5 times a day (she tends to step on her pee piles if I leave them at all - maybe because she is blind?) She has gone into the box once (that I saw) and didn't pee ... but she seems fine, otherwise. She doesn't purr, either. She loves to rub on me, she kneads, she sits on my lap ... she chirps to me when I come in the room ... she just doesn't purr. I've never had a kitty that didn't purr. Maybe she needs some stress relief because of being blind. I may try the feliway and see.

Didn't mean to hijack your thread, Sugar!!  Again, so glad Punkin seems to be well on the road to recovery

4 years ago

That's not hijacking Deb. Any and every thing we share on any thread is worth it's weight in gold.

Punkin still seems okay, she is back inside for the night and stretched out in the middle of the floor. I'm so relieved.

Sugar

4 years ago

Glad to hear that Punkin is doing better, Sugar.

4 years ago

Sugar~ I'm so happy to hear that Punkin is doing better. I think it will be a worry for you awhile but let's hope it is all back to normal.

4 years ago

She's still okay! She begged to go out this morning so I let her. It is still cool.

Sugar

4 years ago

That's good.

4 years ago

Sugar, so glad that Punkin is doing better Sounds like it was a stress-related illness?? I would be beside myself too if my kitty had blood in her urine and the vet couldn't find anything wrong (which is both a blessing and disguise!). I hope she stays well!  

4 years ago

I would freak out if Robb and Kip had blood in their urine, too.

4 years ago

sUGAR SO PLEASED PUNKIN IS GETTING BETTER,  SOMETHING WORTH REMEMBERING,IF YOUR CAT  GETS STRESSED OVER SOMETHING , THEY PEE MORE, NOT SURE IF YOU FEED PUNKIN DRIED FOOD? BUT YOU WILL KNOW CATS NEED LOTS OF WATER IF THEY EAT ONLY DRIED FOOD, (ahhh caps lock unstuck> flippin Buni ) Lots of suggestions, I just read, saying if you hve a syringe, the ones for administering cat medicine, well fill it with water and slowly squirt the water into the side of the cats mouth, aiming the water towards the cats back molar tooth, the cat will swallow, nearly all the cat owners, stopped the dried food, and gave wet food or only gave dried food now and then, but all agreed blood in urine, (when all else has been investigated, was stress related , made worse by dried food, dehydrating their cat, once they had given water and wet food the bllod stopped, cats need vitamin c as well, which as we know helps fight infection, I will add what vit c food you / we can give our cats,

that young vet was good, sometimes the younger medical professionals, newly qualified are up-to date , as they have finished studying recently, and not so jaded or arrogant, as the established medical professionals, who "know best" if you see what I mean

>>here are some interesting views, I particulary like the" vit c power hour" have a read, all agree vit c helps the cat avoid a "uti"

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  1. How a Cat's Nutritional Needs are Different from a Dog's - petMD

    Dogs and cats don't have to worry about gathering, capturing, and eating other preformed Vitamin C. They don't care where their next grapefruit will come from ...

    www.petmd.com/cat/nutrition/evr_c…

  2. Neighborhood Cats / Nutrition

    Healthy cats can make some Vitamin C in their intestine. The operative words here are "healthy" and "some." Cats can manufacture enough C only if the diet is  ...

    www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_NUTRITION

  3. Vitamin C… As Important for your - The Whole Pet Diet

    2 Jul 2012 ... I have found that cats with problems like this need the highest quality diet and generally do better with Vitamin C all their life. xoxo. Reply.

    www.thewholepetdiet.com/2012/07/02/vitamin…

  4. Pets & Vitamin C - Owen

    Do you own a cat or a dog? If so, then you may be surprised to learn that your pet almost surely needs some extra vitamin C added to its diet -- especially if its an ...

    owen.curezone.com/nutrition/petsvitam…

  5. TotalHealth Magazine - Vitamin C (Ascorbate, ascorbic acid) For Pets

    Vitamin C is a water soluble vitamin that is required by people and some animals. ... vitamin C. As such, dogs and cats do not have a specific dietary requirement ...

    totalhealthmagazine.com/features/pet-health…

  6. Vitamin C and Your Pet's Health - The Power Hour

    Using both injections and dietary supplements of powdered vitamin C, Dr. Belfield has had outstanding success in treating hundreds of dogs and cats with a ...

    www.thepowerhour.com/news2/vitaminc_pets…

  7. Vitamin C - Wysong

    Wysong uses vitamin c in pet food for its antioxidant properties – vitamin c is not harmful to cats and dogs if delivered in moderation.

4 years ago

Hey Wendy, thanks for the update on Vita C. Punkin is being fed mostly canned food now with a half to whole teaspoon of water added. The syringe of water for Punkin is dangerous to me, she will bite and she sent me to the hospital for surgery for a week and antibiotics through a PIC line for 2 months already. And it is very stressful for her to be held and administered anything by mouth. We are debating on feeding her prescription food for the urinary track. We being the vet and me. I was wondering since she doesn't drink much and her urine is concentrated if maybe I should take her in every month or so and get a drip under her skin. Just to flush her kidneys .Is Shrimp bad for cats? Her treats are frozen cooked shrimp which I thaw and warm up under hot water. She gets any where from one to three size 40 - 50 size, two to three times a day. She has been getting this for 3 to 4 years and this is her first problem.

Thanks again, That Buni is okay!

Sugar

4 years ago

Wow, so much information!!  I also had this problem with my cat Roxy a while ago.  She developed blood in her urine and it was not an infection.  She ate alot of dry food in her life; in fact, it's all my other cat Savanna will eat.  Savanna is 6 months older than Roxy and has never had problems.  Anyway, eventually she started using places to pee other than her litter box.  I now feed her wet food but I also had the problem of water....it seemed like she was avoiding water which was just concentrating her pee even more.  I have some Purina Pro Plan dry food which the vet said is good for urinary tract health and I soak a bit down with water.  (I am using quite a bit more than a teaspoon of water) Then I mix her wet food into it.  She seems to like it    I also give her these pills from the pet store called VETS + BEST Natural Formula Urinary Tract Support.  The main ingredients are cranberry and ascorbic acid (vitamin C) and I break them up and feed them to her like treats....she loves them.  I almost bought a diffuser to see if I could calm things down around her.  They don't seem that stressed but who knows......my daughter got her puppy in December and she is over quite often with him.  Roxy doesn't like the dog but she tolerates him until he starts to bug her.  Maybe he is the cause of all the stress.  Anyway, the problem got better and now she uses her litter box again.....thank goodness.  Now I am always on the lookout for a UTI problem....though Roxy was the first cat that ever gave me a problem.  One other thing.....these pills (treats) that I feed her daily have made her coat feel like velvet and she barely sheds anymore.  I used to brush this cat daily and pull 7 or 8 brushloads of fur off of her.  I'm not positive that it's the pills but it sure seems like it.....I'm not complaining 

 

I'm glad Punkin is feeling better.  Have a great day!! 

4 years ago

Very good information.

4 years ago

Sugar I had a big white cat,don't laugh, Fluffernutter, yea really, what a love. He used to get kidney stones. I know its more prevalent in male cats but females can get them too. He used to get terrible UTI pain from the stones. He formed them from the high ash content in a lot of cat food. That's when I discovered the beautiful world of expensive prescription cat food and surgeries.
Love and prayers for Punkin

4 years ago

Not a one of a kind name Helen. I also had a fluffernutter. She was an all gray cat. We also called her fluffy buns.

I don't think I ever had a cat with kidney stones, but I did have them with the crystals in the urine. Struvite crystals. YEP, prescription food.

4 years ago

Angela, some good stuff in there. I am going to the pet store today, I will look for the urinary support for Punkin and maybe get a small bag of that proplan food. Vets + Best, I gotta remember that. Helen she doesn't have kidney stones. They x-rayed her for that. I have towels, sheet, paper everywhere that she would squat and she used them but of course in the beginning there was blood and always just a drop about the size of a quarter. I am leaving them in place for a while.

Hugs to the fluffernutters!

Sugar

4 years ago

I have loved the name Fluffernutter ever since the first fluffernutter peanut butter sandwich cookie bar commercial  LOL.  Roxy is just sitting here eating cranberry treats.  I know that when I feel myself developing a UTI, I always start drinking cranberry juice and it usually always goes away before it becomes a problem.  Roxy actually likes the taste of cranberry juice but she won't drink very much of it.  The treats each contain 50 mg of dried cranberry so she is definitely getting more this way.  I don't know what I'm going to do if Savanna ever gets a UTI because she refuses to eat anything besides her dry cat food....won't touch the ProPlan....is suspicious of the treats.  Oh well, guess I should stop looking for trouble where none exists  LOL.

 

Have a great day 

4 years ago

That's a really great name for a cat.

4 years ago

I couldn't fine the Vets + Best yet. I was in a hurry when I checked for it. I did fine the Pro Plan and bought a bag. Every one seems to like it, is it bad for other cats? The clerk in the store seemed to think any one could eat it, but he didn't seem real positive. If any one knows for sure, my furkids would appreciate knowing not to eat it! At least I would feel better knowing.

Sugar

4 years ago

It is fine for all the cats.  It is just formulated to lower the urinary Ph and magnesium levels.  Only Roxy will eat the ProPlus so far but I keep putting a bit into the other food bowls and they are eating it along with their own.  It says right on it that if your cat isn't getting enough water that you can moisten the ProPlan which I do.  I know Roxy is getting more water because I can't smell her pee when she uses the litter box like I could when she was having problems.  I don't have any male cats but their urinary tract problems are even more dangerous.

 

If all your cats like it, more power to them I say!!  As long as Punkin likes it, thats what  matters right  now.  It's so hard when you have a cat that won't use the litter box!!

4 years ago

Thanks Angela, Punkin likes it. I will add a little water the next time. I only put a tad of water in her canned food cause I don't want to dilute the taste too much. I figure even a half teaspoon of extra water in her food is better than none. She still is okay, but still doesn't pee as much as I would like her too, like the others. I am going to put ice in the water now and then during the day to see if that encourages or discourages her.

Everyone thanks for all your help. Punkin REALLY means "thanks".

Sugar

4 years ago

I'm so glad she likes it Sugar.  Honestly, I used to take a handful, put it in the bowl and cover it with water....let it stand for half an hour till it soaked it all up and mixed some wet food in with it.  I figure the more water that went through her the more it would flush her system.  I dunno...I'm not a vet but it made sense to me.  It took awhile but finally I stopped mopping up accidents and I started cleaning out litterboxes that were well used in the morning again.....I've never complained about cleaning them since. 



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