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1 year ago



KKK promises 'largest' rally ever
Posted: Feb 06, 2013 10:15 PM EST
Updated: Feb 07, 2013 10:59 AM EST
By Jason Miles

MEMPHIS, TN -

(WMC-TV) – KKK members have usually shrouded themselves in anonymity throughout their hateful history.
 

The Tennessee area leader known as the "Exalted Cyclops" did not want to be fully identified when he agreed to speak with Action News 5 about the renaming of three city parks.
 

"You're going to see the largest rally Memphis, Tennessee has ever seen," said "Edward", as he wanted to be known.
 

He said he began contacting fellow Klansmen even before the city council's decision Tuesday night.
 

"It's not going to be 20 or 30," said he said. "It's going to be thousands of Klansmen from the whole United States coming to Memphis, Tennessee."
 

The KKK wants to rally in the renamed Health Sciences Park. That's where former "grand wizard" and confederate general Nathan Bedford Forrest is memorialized.
 

In addition to Forrest Park, Confederate and Jefferson Davis Parks downtown were temporarily renamed and may never go back.
 

"And for our part, we're going to administer the wishes of council," said city CAO George Little.
 

Little said signage will probably be replaced when permanent names are decided.

Meanwhile, critics are free to protest. That includes the KKK.
 

"Should they do so and gather lawfully, then we wouldn't get any more involved with that than we would with any other group," said Little.
 

Part of the reason council members took on the park issue was to combat an effort in Nashville to preserve the confederacy-related names.
 

The sponsors of that legislation never returned our phone calls.
 

http://www.14news.com/story/21018040/kkk-promising-largest-rally-ever-over-memphis-park-names
 

1 year ago



I am confused since this article clearly states the KKK.  Yet, your title indicates others.  Doesn't seem fair or accurate to me.

 

1 year ago

christian is impossibly fanatical about labeling every member of the Tea Party as a racist.

Of course all he has to go on are a few people doing some dumb things but that will not stop him. Yet when the same logic he uses to judge the Teap Party is used, to say, judge something like the Occupy movement he gets his panties in a bunch.

It is typical christian. Nothing rests in reality...



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1 year ago

Christian wears panties


I will admit the tea party has changed some since my days of association with them.  I still would hardly call them racist, at least most of them.

1 year ago

I still would hardly call them racist, at least most of them.


Well, you will find racists pretty much everywhere you go. I am not a member of the Tea Party but I have friends who are and they are anything but racist.

Asinine judgementalism really tells you a lot about what state a person is in...

1 year ago

The exalted cyclops?    (snorts derisively)

1 year ago

The Teabaggers are just junior KKK without the white sheets and pointy hoods with the eye holes cut out. Are you seriously suggesting that even one member of the KKK voted for Obama? No, they did not. That makes the KKK Romney supporters, and therefore de facto Teabaggers.

1 year ago

Christian, you crack me up.  Really you do.  I think you even laugh to yourself while you're typing some of your posts.  That was a good one though. 

1 year ago

tea bags

And especially for Christian:

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1 year ago

"Christian wears panties "

And fishnets with garters?

1 year ago

Um...the vision that has manifested in my head is not pretty.

1 year ago

Yeah, Kind of like Dr. Frank-N-Furter



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1 year ago

I think you even laugh to yourself while you're typing some of your posts.


He has to be saying this stuff to try and get a rise out of people.

Because anyone who actually believed that logic would be insane. I mean there were more than two candidates to vote for. Just because you did not support Obama does not mean you automatically default to Romney.

What about G. Johnson..?



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1 year ago


But wasn't he a Teabagger candidate? Don't a lot of Libertarians identify with the Teabag party?
 

1 year ago


Let's put it this way: KKK members don't vote for Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson either, so that just leaves Gary Johnson and Mitt Romney.
 

1 year ago

But wasn't he a Teabagger candidate?


No, he was the Libertarian candidate for POTUS and a really good guy...

1 year ago

Let's put it this way: KKK members don't vote for Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson either, so that just leaves Gary Johnson and Mitt Romney.


Even if they did vote for Johnson/Romney that does not mean they endorse or are members of the Tea Party. And it definitely does not equate to all of the Tea Party being members of the KKK.

This is your outlandish opinion. You have nothing to back this up. I understand you really like to try hard to make all Republicans and Tea Party members out to be racist but without proof then all you are doing is voicing your uneducated and unverified opinion.

You would have to run polls and do some studies or at least cite some studies that are already out there.

At this point this is simply vitriol and libel...

1 year ago


In what way is that "outlandish"? It's no different than that old sawhorse about not all Muslims being terrorists but that most terrorists are Muslims (if that's even true). Maybe not all Teabaggers are racists, but you can bet that most racists are Teabaggers. You're telling me that no members of the KKK, when not wearing their sheets, don't also attend Teabag rallies?
 

1 year ago




I don't think Buck has ever declared any group guilty or innocent entirely of anything.  In my memory, he always says some.  Every group has good and bad.  Every group...

1 year ago

It's no different than that old sawhorse about not all Muslims being terrorists but that most terrorists are Muslims


That is not what you are saying though? A lot of "terrorists" are Muslim but I do not judge all Muslims by this fact.

Do you? By your KKK/Tea Party logic you should. The two logics are just alike right? You said it was "no different."


You're telling me that no members of the KKK, when not wearing their sheets, don't also attend Teabag rallies?


I am not telling you that.

But you don't know to what extent. You have stated that all members of the Tea Party are members of the KKK. And all KKK members are Tea Party members/supporters.


Maybe not all Teabaggers are racists


This is the only statement you have made so far that is somewhat coherent. And it is not inline with what you have been stating so far in this thread.

It still insinuates that most Tea Party members are racist which is still something you have no data to back up. It is still simply you saying it because you THINK that is how it is. But you do not know.

Are you honestly here for facts or fiction? Because you know what you are saying cannot be quantified. So what is the real purpose of all of this..?

1 year ago

I know...  I know...

1 year ago


No data, huh? Really, Buckster? Guess you missed all those threads.
 

1 year ago

What was exposed in those threads that proved all members of the Tea Party were members of the KKK and vice versa..?

1 year ago


They proved Teabaggers are racist. By extension, some of them must also be associated with some other kind of racist group like the KKK.

I know it's complicated for you, Buck ...
 

1 year ago


If you're so sure that no KKK members have ever participated in any Teabagger rallies, please show us the evidence.
 

1 year ago

They proved Teabaggers are racist.


Well, since we do not have these threads right now let's take you word for it.

So, these threads prove ALL Tea Party members are racist or that there are some (no number can be determined) Tea Party members that are racist.


By extension, some of them must also be associated with some other kind of racist group like the KKK.


This could be true but it still does not prove anything you are trying to say here.

Yes, some Tea Party members could be KKK members. So what does that prove?


If you're so sure that no KKK members have ever participated in any Teabagger rallies, please show us the evidence.


I never said that.

The evidence that needs to be supplied is your evidence that supports your earlier statements.

Unless you wish to admit your initial statements are not based in fact and what you said was not accurate.

Which is the reality of all of this...

1 year ago

This is good stuff though.

Two good threads in a week that show your complete disregard for objective criticism.

It's clear you are not out to be fair about anything. You have a clear and concise motivation. And that motivation is not rooted in being intellectually honest about anything.

Why do you feel it necessary to be like this?

All it is doing is destroying any credibilty you might have clinging to you around here.

Seriously, read your posts. You address this topic with irrational zeal...

1 year ago


Tell us more about how humans spew 8 billion metric tons of carbon and almost 30 billion tons of C02 into the atmosphere every year, yet that somehow has zero effect on global temperature change, oh great Buckmeister.
 



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1 year ago

Tell us more about how humans spew 8 billion metric tons of carbon and almost 30 billion tons of C02 into the atmosphere every year, yet that somehow has zero effect on global temperature change


How about we keep going with this topic?

I see a trend where you try and change topics when you get caught up in your logical fallacies.

And, I never said man did not contribute to a global warming condition...

1 year ago


There are no fallacies. I have witnessed Teabagger bigotry with my own eyes. The web is loaded with videos of Teabaggers putting their own racist feet in their own racist mouths. I know you know this, but you keep dodging and weaving anyway, making excuses for them at every turn.
 

1 year ago

Still, one has to admit that, although the Tea Party is not comprised solely of racists (not by a long shot), that the GOP does attract white supremacists.  I mean, they sure don't vote as Dems.  Now, I know that a long time ago they did.  And  also know that a lot of white supremacists, led by David Duke, left the GOP when Michael Steele was made party head.  But still, the GOP pre-election platform was comprised of issues unfavorable and marginalizing to women,  LBGT people, and minorities.  Is that racist?  It sure is prejudice.

The Tea Party is part of the GOP.  I think it is reasonable to conclude that there are probably places in the USA where the Tea Party is comprised of a variety of Americans who want better lives for themselves. The Tea Party in and around Cape Canaveral comes to mind.    And I think it is reasonable to conclude that there are places in the US where the Tea Party is comprised partially, and rarely, totally, of racists.  These signs are from Tea Party rallies in those places.

       

          



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1 year ago

The Tea Party is part of the GOP


No, it is most certainly not...



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1 year ago


The Teabaggers are pretty much done as a movement anyway. Far too many have seen them for what they really are.

I was in agreement with the Teabaggers for about the first 15 seconds when they were supposedly all about putting an end to government waste and overspending. But then they showed their true colours right away when they started in about black teenage pregnancies, Muslims, immigrants, Obama's birth certificate, etc. That, plus the fact that they were mysteriously silent during the record-breaking waste of the Bush years, only appearing miraculously out of nowhere just weeks after President Obama's January, 2009 inauguration, led me to drop them faster than a flaming bag of vomit.
 

1 year ago

led me to drop them faster than a flaming bag of vomit.


And then kick off a campaign of unsubstantiated claims about all of them being racist and their involvement with the KKK..?

1 year ago

"No, it is most certainly not..."


Well, I understand that Karl Rove wants to put some distance between the GOP and the Tea Party now, but this comes as a complete surprise to me that it is not part of the GOP.  I remember, not so long ago, that GOP member Michelle Bachmann co-opted the tea party by appointing herself their official spokeswoman.  There are Tea Party candidates who have been elected ( Ron & Rand Paul come immediately to mind) and who are members of the GOP. These Tea Party candidates mostly vote along GOP party lines.  Fox News, defender of the GOP, televised the first Tea Party rally.  


Now, I know that there are some in the GOP who hate many of the tea party candidates, too.  McCain called them "trolls under the bridge" for their obstinance during the initial budget negotiations.  But I always thought that the Tea Party was an arm of the GOP.  It has always seemed that way.  None of the Tea Party candidates sit on the liberal side of the aisle.  They are mostly members of the GOP, although some are independents. 

1 year ago

I have to say I never attended a rallie where any of the issues Christian brings up above have been discussed, displayed or mentioned.   None of the posters that Angelica posted above would ever be at any.

Angelica, you are correct that different parts of America have different types of tea partiers.


Obviously, most tea partiers would not appeal to liberals.  The goals are quite different as in less government, less government spending etc.  That doesn't appeal to most liberals I would think.

I have not attended a rallie in over two years now, but do receive their emails.  Their mission is basically the same and relates in great part to local politics.  

1 year ago

rallie is supposed to be rally...ooopsie

1 year ago

Suzanne, dare I admit that I was initially attracted to the idea of the tea party.  (yes, go for it Christian).  After seeing what they were dealing with here- definitely not.  So- yes, I am greeing with you about different parts of the US. 

Angelica- if you were a photographer out to make the biggest spalsh- wouldn't you phtograph the most outrageous banners?  Does that mean it is the norm? 

1 year ago

That's nothing compared to some of the typos I have been making lately!!!

I think the lamestream media sensationalizes everything they can.  So it stands to reason that the racist tea parties would get all the attention.  But there is one in Cape Canaveral where the Tea Party fought for a stronger union at NASA. Interesting isn't it?

But the point is, those racists are in the Tea Parties in the USA.  And the rest of the Tea Party members need to kick their butts out, because the media is making the entire tea party known by this characterizsation of  bad spelling bigoted screamers.  I know for a fact that this isn't a true characterization in Cape Canaveral. And if it isn't true there, then there must be other places where it isn't true.  

Kick the bigots out of your party.  It may save the Tea Party.  

1 year ago

I will say when I first attended a rally it was before/during the election of Corzine and Christie. Corzine has killed us in this state.  Serious taxation and hurt put upon us.  I could go on and on about the various reasons we needed Corzine gone.  I'll spare you and say It was an important election.  That was the roots of it for me.

I attended quite a few over a time span of maybe two years or so.  We never received any  news coverage and they weren't small, they weren't in an unfamiliar location.  Just no coverage.  I will also say there was a homeless guy who lived in the park that joined us every time.  Top hat and all.   If they covered those events, I bet he would have been in every shot.

1 year ago

What you also have to factor in is a lot of the "racism" was simply critiquing Obama and his policies which isn't really being racist at all...

1 year ago


"Critiquing Obama's policies" = "Where's his birth certificate?"

Nice try, though.
 

1 year ago


Suzanne claimed:

<<Obviously, most tea partiers would not appeal to liberals.  The goals are quite different as in less government, less government spending etc.>>

Except that "less government" to Teabaggers means less health care, less help to the poor, less education, less spending on repairing crumbling infrastructure, fewer financial industry regulations and fewer environmental regulations while leaving bloated military spending completely intact.

Nice try, though.
 

1 year ago

Critiquing Obama's policies" = "Where's his birth certificate?


No, it does not.

A lot of people invoked the race card simply because people were protesting Obama policy.

The people who were deniers of his citizenship are just that. And that does not make anyone racist either.

Are you saying all the people who doubt his citizenship are racist..?

1 year ago

That's your view Christian.  Nice try though.

The other statement about birth certificate is so dumb.  Yes, some believe in it wholeheartedly but your translation to it above is bowlshyte.

1 year ago

By the way, your point about equalling less health care is funny when said to me.  I didn't know there was anything less than none. 

To be honest, I personally was better off before the affordable care act.  No, I didn't have health care then.  Now, I have the priviledge of paying toward it and still not having it.

Worked out really well.  Can't imagine why I wouldn't want what they shoveled. 

1 year ago


The Teabaggers protested against the public option of the PPACA and won. That's less health care. 

It's amazing how much common knowledge I always have to explain in this group.

How exactly can you not receive any health insurance that you're paying into? Sounds like yet another Suzanne-based misrepresentation of facts.
 

1 year ago


The PPACA mandates that you purchase private health insurance, and ensures that you are not denied health care for pre-existing conditions. How then, after buying insurance, do you not receive any health care at all?
 

1 year ago

Yea, okay Christian.  Play your game.  I won't play though.

1 year ago


There's no game on my end. Games are your forte.
 

1 year ago

Suzanne-based misrepresentation of facts.


Dude?

You are lecturing someone on this after all you have posted in here?

That's insanity...

1 year ago


Suzanne is claiming that she is being refused health care she is paying for.

Knowing Suzanne, though, I am positive that is a complete misrepresentation of facts and a total twisting of words and their meaning.

Trust me, you'll see ...
 



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1 year ago

Christian, why do you misrepresent everything on purpose?   You really can't have an honest conversation.  We have discussed this issue to death and  yet you still say whatever shyte is flowing out of your piehole.

I am going to go shovel snow, it's better than the shyte being shoveled in here.

1 year ago


Explain your conclusion that says you are being denied health care that you are paying for, then let us know what is being misrepresented.
 

1 year ago

What's the point?  You know everything and quite honestly bore the shyte out of me.  Got stuff to do.  Toodles...

1 year ago


You don't sound bored.

Anyway, enjoy your snow.
 

This is what I said...
1 year ago

Now, I have the priviledge of paying toward it and still not having it.

Paying toward the system through IRS taxation/penalty imposed upon those who will not get subsidized and can not afford it.  Therefore not having it. 


This is what you say I said...

Suzanne is claiming that she is being refused health care she is paying for.

Knowing Suzanne, though, I am positive that is a complete misrepresentation of facts and a total twisting of words and their meaning.


Twist and shout.

By the way, the snow is fabulous...

1 year ago


Yeah, I thought so. So what you are saying is that you have refused to buy insurance for yourself, and therefore are not covered by that insurance.


So you're not covered because you have no insurance. Not covered by insurance you haven't purchased.
 
Wow, what a surprise.
 



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1 year ago


Oh, the travesty. Oh, the inhumanity.
 

1 year ago


So, despite living in the "greatest country in the world," your health care still isn't covered by your taxes.
 

Your taxes would cover your health care if you lived in Canada. Sounds like you should be planning a move soon.
 

1 year ago

Refused ... Yup you busted me.  What a piece of work you are.

Did I say anything about purchasing insurance?  I said paying toward.  Which is exactly what the penalty/tax does.  Only it does it for others.

You twist it to what you'd like to think is about.   To a fantasy world you have about certain things.  How low you do crawl...  What an absolute turnoff for any notion of a serious conversation.  Boring and pathetic...

Carry on with your ideas of what and who and how I exist and think.  I am so overly done in playing this game.  I should never have continued it.  My fault....

Live and learn.

1 year ago

Christian, if you are a representation of those that live in Canada.  I'll pass...


Healthcare or not...hell no!



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1 year ago


Well, if you didn't buy insurance, how did you expect to be covered? Hardly seems like you have a right to complain about not being covered. If the laws of your land say you need to buy insurance to be covered, and then you don't buy insurance, how can you complain about not being covered?

 



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1 year ago


In the land of choices, you chose not to be covered, yet you now complain that you are not covered.
 

1 year ago


Yet had you lived in Canada, you would have automatically been covered without having to make a choice. Guaranteed coverage with the taxes you already pay without having to buy extra, private coverage which doesn't even guarantee coverage.
 

1 year ago


But whatever. Enjoy your greatest country.
 

1 year ago

I critique Obama's policies, but for sheer racism, you have to read those signs.   A lot of us on the left have critiqued his policies toward the republican party - always conciliatory - and we have been unfavorable.  We have critiqued his war policies unfavorably.  But we haven't had to denigrate his very origins to do it, while some on the right (not all) have.

1 year ago


The "left"?
 

1 year ago

Liberals - on the left of center.  That's what I am, obviously.  People on the left side of politics and the (imho) correct side of compassion.  What's wrong with that?

You know, we used to visit Vancouver Island all the time.  I still love that place.  We are thinking about returning for a long visit.  Christian, have you visited there?

1 year ago

Oh, jeez...

Ya know, insulting people and treating them like %#&!*% because they can't afford health coverage and then acting like it's their "choice" not to have it, is pretty fuking mean.

1 year ago

WOW- what Angela just said.

1 year ago


That's not at all what I did. Suzanne keeps whining about not getting something she's paying for, (referring to the PPACA), yet on further examination, it turns out she never bought insurance in the first place. She's referring to tax dollars, not health insurance.

Should she be pissed off that she's not getting health care for her tax dollars and that's she's being forced to buy outlandishly-priced private insurance? Fuk, yes! Big time. I'd be pissed too. And that's the whole point of having public health care - which is what people have been trying to bring to the US for years now -  and that is to make sure health care is available to people when they need it by funding it with the taxes they already pay like all other countries do.

 But Suzanne is against public health care, and now she's whining that it will cost her close to $1000 a month to get private insurance. Well guess what? That does indeed suck big time. Nobody should ever have to pay that amount just to have health coverage, especially when their taxes are already high like Suzanne has told us they are. But that's what you get when you oppose and fight off universal, single-payer health care. The only other alternative is to buy private insurance, and look how much that costs.

The only way I would have sympathy for Suzanne is if she had fought for public health care first and then got screwed with this pathetic PPACA instead. I'm sorry Suzanne got screwed with having this pathetic PPACA foisted on her, but unfortunately, she was never for a public health insurance system in the first place.

Apparently, she got what she wanted (no universal health care system), and is just realising now that she never really wanted that.
 

1 year ago

The constant cheerleading for Canada gets pretty old. Those of us that aren't in Canada have to deal with this sh!t. Gloating about it does nothing but make you feel superior. The "haha, sucks to be you" attitude is over the top. Why not find a person in Africa and laugh at them because you have more food?  It's the same thing.

This is why I avoid these groups lately. It's just all so fuking mean spirited.

1 year ago

I am proud to be an American. I'm not so proud of our political system that is an embarrassment and I am not proud of some of the people that live here, but you'll be hard pressed to find a population so full of people with an indomnitable spirit to fight for what they believe in. It is Suzanne's right to do that in the way she feels is best for her family and her situtation, just like it is my right to fight for the things that would make my life better. It does not make her wrong to operate within her own reality.

Suzanne - I may not agree with you on politics, but I think you're a stand-up person and I respect you and am glad for your friendship.

That's all I have to say.

1 year ago


Anyone who knows me, knows that I never advocate private insurance. Though it may sound like it, I'm not gloating. I think it's pathetic that Suzanne and others are in a position where they have to buy expensive private health insurance which doesn't even guarantee coverage, over and above the taxes they already pay. What blows my mind is how people can still be against universal health insurance after clearly seeing how the private system does not work and how unfair it is.

A hotel owner I spoke with in California told me he pays $1200 a month for his insurance and another $375 a month for his daughter's. That's insane, and it's wrong.  

I don't think the PPACA is the solution at all. The only good things about it are that people can't be denied for pre-existing conditions, children get to be covered under their parents' plan longer than before and that people who can't afford insurance will be subsidised. Other than that, it still leaves insurance in the hands of private, for-profit companies, which really isn't any kind of solution to getting people the proper care they need when they need it.

 

1 year ago


Suzanne isn't being given much of a choice, and to be honest, I would make the exact same choice. I would not fork over that much money for health insurance, particularly when it doesn't even guarantee coverage. I would never have any money for anything else, ever. But then, with no coverage, I would be in deep shyt if I ever got really sick, so that's the chance you take.
 



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1 year ago


The difference between Suzanne and me is that instead of attending Teabag rallies where they fiercly oppose universal health care, I would be doing the exact opposite: Fighting for universal health care.
 

1 year ago

That's a hell of a lot better way to say it than your previous posts that she "chose" not to be covered and hardly has a right to complain.

She said she hasn't been to a rally in two years. Never mind. She can speak for herself. I just find it bothersome that things never change around here.






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1 year ago

Angela, I enjoy your friendship as well.

Christian, you are an arrogant person at times, especially when it comes to stating anything about me, what platforms or ideas I believe in ... whatever.  You don't know squat. 

Up until 2008 I had insurance that we paid over $1,800 a month for.  At that time decisions had to be made and we dropped the one thing we could and still run a business and keep our home.  So fuk off about choice.  At that time I had a choice and made it.  Now I don't have a choice.  It is buy it at a still outrageously unaffordable figure or pay a fine/penalty. 

I don't think the public option was ever even put forth in the affordable care act.  I don't think it was ever part of that picture.  Did President Obama push for that I forget now.

If you are going to spew in a manner that pretends to be fact.  Get your fukin facts straight.


Just got done shoveling and now I am going to play in the snow.  Have a good one...

Christian do not use me for reference on anything.  You know nothing of me and care nothing about me.  So just shut the fuk up in that regard and we'll be good.



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1 year ago

Angela, he is only saying it that way to save face with you.  That is the only reason...

This is how Christian treats certain people most of the time.



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1 year ago

Just so you know I fought being forced to buy a product I could not afford.  Turns out I was right, there is nothing in that act for people like my family, small businesses, independent workers.  NOTHING....

1 year ago



<<I don't think the public option was ever even put forth in the affordable care act.  I don't think it was ever part of that picture.  Did President Obama push for that I forget now.>>

Yes it was, and yes he did. The Republicans wouldn't play ball until it was removed, so it was. We actually went over this same thing before.

Keep fighting, then. The PPACA needs to be improved, namely by adding the public option back in. It probably will never happen as long as the requisite number of Republicans continue to hold power in the House.
 

1 year ago


To be precise, the public option was removed well before it went to a vote, as it would never have made it that far had it not been removed first, as per Republican demands.


Have a look at these Teabaggers protesting health care for Americans:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VpOnOspBZo

 



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1 year ago

Yes, Suzanne, that is probably mostly correct.  However, it is the GOP that fought to lessen every single thing that Obama wanted on the table.  So, blame the GOP for the mess the Affordable Care Act is, too.  They share at least 50% of the responsibility.  All the concessions that the Dems made were to lessen the overall health care affordable for people - which is what the GOP was screaming about.  The GOP would not negotiate unless they could minimize the ACA in every way imaginable. 


This is what I mean when I say that Dems are critical of Obama's conciliatory attitude towards the GOP.  We love Obama, but we want him to be tougher on critical issues like this.  Everyone in America needs health care that doesn't break the bank.  We want our kids to have the most cutting edge, first rate treatments in an emergency.  Obama's position has always been,  "Why should your income determine your chances, or your children's chances, for survival?"  As an American, you should have first rate health care.  But he caved in to the GOP.  Most unfortunate for small business owners. who are struggling in this economy anyway..

1 year ago

Angelica, thank you so much for your far superior compassion and knowledge.  I guess that comes from your being to the "left".  Without it and your telling me what I should or shouldn't do I would be lost.


You know what else is really sweet about this plan.  The new payroll taxes and other taxes that are tacked on to the high cost of doing business already.

Thanks for explaining it all to me though.

It just seems funny that President Obama had the house and the senate and never even tried to have it in there.  The republicans didn't go for it the way it was any way and it passed.  So why not go for the gusto...

But like Pelosi says, let's wait and see what's in it.

Cuts to medicare, pricing out families, etc. etc.  it's all good.  Really when I opposed it I only did it to be a bitch.  I had no logical reasoning behind any of it.  Truly...

1 year ago

You know what the local tea party group in my area was working on pretty hard.  To get the people to not reelect Bob Menedez..

Obviously they failed.  They must have done it because they are racist and not because he does nothing for this state and is as corrupt as they come.  Those damn racist pigs.

No compassion on their part.  The cold hearted bastards.



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But, of course, Suzanne is never mean ...
 

1 year ago


This is why it is pointless to vote for the Democrats. They are part of the same corrupt, corporate-controlled system.
 

1 year ago



SURPRISE! Prominent TEApublicans Fund White Supremacist PAC
posted by Jason February 4, 2013
 

Ron Robinson and James B. Taylor hold top positions in several right wing groups also run a political action committee that donated thousands of dollars to a white nationalist organization. Taylor was vice president of another white nationalist organization for several years.
 

Robinson and Taylor are each board members of Young America’s Foundation which owns and manages the Ronald Reagan Ranch, and claims it is “the principal outreach organization of the Conservative Movement.” That puts them in the middle of the conservative movement. But their associations are far more sinister.
 

Both of these racist wing-nuts also sit on the board of “America’s PAC” which gives money to white nationalists.
 

http://aattp.org/surprise-prominent-teapublicans-fund-white-supremacist-pac-video/
 

1 year ago

Angelica, thank you so much for your far superior compassion and knowledge.  I guess that comes from your being to the "left".  Without it and your telling me what I should or shouldn't do I would be lost.

Wow.  I have no idea where that is coming from or why.  

1 year ago


That's just Suzanne being Suzanne.
 

1 year ago

Well, I am not going to respond in kind. 


Anyway, back to Vancouver Island.  Have you visited there much, Christian?

Here is why Angelica...
1 year ago

Liberals - on the left of center.  That's what I am, obviously.  People on the left side of politics and the (imho) correct side of compassion.  What's wrong with that?



So people who have other political affiliations in your humble opinion are on the wrong side compassion.  That is your opinion only I hope.

Politics do not make a person compassionate or not.  Compassion without a reasonable way of achieving a goal will not work and typically harms someone else.  Compassion comes in so may forms but only people on the left can feel this.    In your humble opinion.

That makes for a tiny little world.

As far as blame for the affordable care act.  We know who voted to pass it as is, so there is not much more I can say on it.  The democrats did not fight for what they say they wanted and the republicans failed for letting such a piece of crap legislation get through.  None of them are in touch with reality of real people.

That's why Angelica....



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1 year ago

But, of course, Suzanne is never mean ...




Christian, I do not believe anyone has stated that.  In all honesty, I can be a real bitch when pushed hard enough.  You definitely can get my bitch going.  Congrats...

1 year ago

Suzanne, this anger is your own.  I neither want nor do I own any part of it.  I did not generate it with my basically harmless comments. 





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Angelica, anger.  No ...

Just my opinion, like you have yours.  If you make a comment about having some type of high ground on compassion because you are a person to the "left".  Expect some alternative opinions.

Actually, that comment cracked me up.  If you think about it, you exclude many good people because they are not on the "left",  Just weird to me.

1 year ago

Anger is Suzanne's own?

 

Doubtful.

 

It's the economy.  With a better economy, her family business would be doing better and her family would have insurance/  She has every right to be upset about being fined for soemthing she can't afford and then having those dolalrs go to others.

Compassion?  She is right.  Politics are not at all about compassion.  Plenty of stingy people on both sides and plenty of compassionate people on both sides. 

The question is over where we think that safety net and othger things likle insurrance should be coming from.

1 year ago

I'm not even talking about the economy.  I am talking about Suzanne directing her anger at me here for expressing my views.  I can express my views, can't I?  Even if they are different than  Suzanne's? 



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Frankly, Nancy, I am surrised that you would come back at me with this. I do have a right to express my views, don't I?  Even if they differ from Suzanne's?  Or, when Suzanne shows up in a group, are we all suppossed to drop what we think and be attentive to her (what appears to be) considerable emotional needs?  I ask this, because it appears to me that Suzanne gets angry all the time here at the same people.  I am one of those people.  And I have not been rude or dismissive to Suzanne in any way.  


And I am tired of it.  My comments were in no way directed specifically at Suzanne to insult her. And you know what?  I don't care what her problems are.  We ALL have problems.   Most of us don't go around shoving those problems in other people's faces 100% of the time, though.  We don't enjoy coming into a thread to stop the discourse with our misplaced anger or our demands that the attention be on us and us alone.

1 year ago

Suzanne, I think you are one of the angriest people on care2.  And you are always disrupting the discourse to get people to address your feelings.  Like now.  This happens every single time we are all here, posting our thoughts and ideas.  You disagree with me?  Okay.  Fine.  No problem. My comments weren't  even directed at you.

I am beginning to think that, because you hate Christian so much, you are trolling his threads.  Misplaced anger, name calling, and then whining about how you have been hurt by the views of others are your methods of disruption. It's childish. 



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1 year ago

Angelica, I know how I feel and it is not anger.  It is disbelief at how one sided you are.  Some of the statements you make such as the compassion one are just over the top, almost extreme views.

Just my opinion...

Nancy, I appreciate the fact that you get me more than not.  We have been conversing for a long time and don't always agree but always respect each other.  I appreciate that and wanted to let you know.

1 year ago

Angelica, I am going to tell you that you better check yourself immediately.  You are going into some lunatic rant and I think you will be embarrassed by it at some point

Maybe I'll address other things you said when I stop laughing   Holy shyte...take a breather....

1 year ago

Wow you totally changed your posts and eliminated them entirely.  I did get to read them and I will not forget what was there.  I guess you did check yourself. 

Don't worry I never flag anyone ever.  I will admit your posts tempted me to break that trend.

1 year ago

By the way, now I am angry 

1 year ago

I am beginning to think that, because you hate Christian so much, you are trolling his threads.  Misplaced anger, name calling, and then whining about how you have been hurt by the views of others are your methods of disruption. It's childish.





Trolling Christian's threads


1 year ago

Love that compassion that you excel at   too funny.....

1 year ago

Angelica, you have a right to express your opinion.  I try to keep things about issues and not personalities. 

I have actually never seen Suzanne be truly angry though with the way some people (not your so don't go there) dump on her for her past affiliation with the Tea Party, I am surprised that she isn't.  I actually disagree with her on many things but have never seen her angry nor attacking of anyone (not that you are either).

Yet you have to admit that Christian does attack her fairly often.  YOu say SHE is a troll?  But not Christian?  Christian constantly brings up Suzanne and her opinions and attacks both her and Buck and any and all Tea Party members.  I actually have not seen Buck nor Suznne really do quite the same thing.  Actually, they both handle being attacked quite well.  She has been laughing (not angry) through most of this thread.  I actually think they like each other.  Wasn't Chrsistian the one who invited a bunch of us here including Suzanne?  I may be remembering wrong. 

1 year ago

Actually Suzanne, if I lived in NJ, I'd still be a republican and probably a Tea Party person to boot.

And I'd still laugh at Chrsitian.

I have to admit that today is latency day nad threads a getting funky because of that.

1 year ago

Anyone who's views differ from Christians is be a bigoted racist. Anyone's views who differ from Angelica's lacks compassion, in her humble opinion of course. If it were not for Suzanne's compassion on such issues these insults would not anger her. The irony is that you refuse to see in your own words the mean spirited hypocrisy of all this.

1 year ago

Nancy, I have been a member of this group since the Lena days...  Just thought I'd clarify that point.

Also, I do not hate Christian or anyone here for that matter.  I never met any of you face to face.   I am pretty sure Christian put this thread knowing Buck and I would come.   I am willing to bet he is loving this....

1 year ago

Allen, are you feeding in to my needy self

Thanks!

1 year ago

I do remember Lena.

I hadn't realized that you had been a member for that long.  I remember being invited to this group and another at one time.  I thought you had been too. 

One thing I would also say, Suzanne would give you the shirt off her back if you had a need.  How is that for compassion.

1 year ago

I am in Christian's other group RLB though I don't go there so often, nothing personal about that either.  I just don't.

1 year ago

Lena, George, Jeffery (just to name a few).. It has been awhile

1 year ago

I was invited to join by either Barb or Lena.  I don't think Jeffrey was ever an active member in this group while I was here.  George popped in infrequently.

Allen, you are talking about the old...old...days.  I have heard reference to those days and it must have been interesting.

1 year ago

Interesting is an understatement Suzanne lol I do miss those days but am glad for the few who keep me around these days .

1 year ago

I had just joined this group a little over a year ago when there was a big blow-out in another group.  I never intereacted with any of those people here.  I dod remember only Lena from other groups thoughj.

Yes, it seems Allen IS talking about the really old days.

1 year ago

I actually remember them mostly from the original LR&B group, if my memory is correct I was invited to this group by Lena as well.



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I missed those LR&B days as well.  But the legend lives on in tales... 

1 year ago

Nancy, I am not Christian. 

1 year ago

Suzanne, if people on the internet make me angry, I get off the internet and get back to my life.  That's just me and I am not saying that you should do the same.  I'm just throwing that out there.  I mean, it's just the internet. 

Nice try about the deleted post.  It was a duplicate.  The latency is bad around here today.  REAL bad.  I am fine.  Thanks for asking.



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1 year ago

"Nancy, I am not Christian. "

I know.

1 year ago

Angelica I was not angry and really am not so angry now.  Although your personal rant against me was quite nasty.  Do not try to make what I say, what you think I say.  You just don't read or care to see what I am actually saying.  You take it that I am angry at you personally. 


When I speak about issues on a personal level, which trust me I am not proud to admit to failing at supporting my family with healthcare or struggling through these days.  I speak on a personal level because it is a true experience and part of the picture.

It is the part of the legislation and policy making that lacks compassion and has negative effects on peoples lives.  I try to show that through my own life because it is true.  I am not only speaking for myself.  Although I couldn't quantify how many, there are many like me and my family.   People like you would never understand the life we lead.  So I use myself as an example.

If you think I am whining and whatever else crap you spewed up there, that is on you, and you are missing the point.

You don't understand how your posts come off.  Your hatred and feeling of superiority over a group of people who do not think like you.  You spew incredible indictments all the time.  I don't come in and call liberals or any other group names.  I at least show that much respect because I know all are not the same.  Not all people by choice of party are the same.


As far as the whole Christian rant, maybe if you weren't kissing his ass all the time you would actually see the reality of what goes on here.


I showed my daughter this thread because she wanted to know what I was laughing about.  She laughed her ass off, she understands at 15. 




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1 year ago

This thread needs some background music.

There. That's better. Carry on.



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1 year ago

Thought so...

1 year ago


Just got back from the movies. This thread looks almost as entertaining.

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The music is perfect!

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1 year ago


Yep, those old AP days with Lena and Jeffrey were off the hook.


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1 year ago


So ... everyone watching The Walking Dead or the Grammys tonight?

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Grammy's? with three feet of snow covering the entrance to my zombie proof bunker I have other things to tend to.

1 year ago


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Alright! who in hell left the windows open?
1 year ago

1 year ago


That's been Toronto in the last few days.
 

Saturday, 2/9/13 - love the snow...
1 year ago

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1 year ago

I love it too, would just love it to be elsewhere



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