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2 years ago

Mr Stanley's foster thread has gotten rather long and unwieldy.  So instead of having a thread to update each of my rather unique family members, I thought just one dedicated to my goofy family.

 

Mr Stanley. 

Stanley is coming out of his safe house more and more of late.  He will even stop by and let me pet him and give him a little hug before he goes back into hibernation.  He also meanders over to Sherman's bowl and eats all his food instead of his food in his own bowl.  This is making it hard to know how much Sherman is actually eating.  Stan has put on weight and I would like to get him on a two meal a day plan.  Hey, good luck with that, eh?  At varous times of the day he has cleaned out his house and tossed out his toys and such, but he has hung onto my old t-shirt so I think that was a pretty good idea. I have to consider having Stanley groomed at some point as he nees his nails trimmed and he nees the fur around his eyes and paws trimmed also.  That is why I have been trying to get him used to being touched all over.  Hope it works.  If not, I will have to see if the veterinarian can give him a little oral sedation pill to make life easier for him and the groomer.  I am going to sigh him up with Dr Mattes.  She was so very kind and gentle with Mr Atticus and she is good with Mr Smoogers that I think she will be able to handle Stanley with understanding gentleness.

 

Sherman. 

Shermie continues to check in on Stan and Stan has started going up and sniffing Sherman's behind so they are becoming friends.  I have noticed when I have been walking Shermie that it looks as if his...remaining jewel is hanging lower than it used to.  Is that possible, Gina.  Could it be because his testicles were removed later in life and because his skin and muscle tone is diminishing with age, he is lower than usual.  This could pose a problem this winter if we have snow.  Is there anything they could do for that.  If they can tighten it up, can they do that quickly so his anesthesia time is minimal?  Shermie also needs his nails trimmed and his anal glands tweaked.

 

Mr Smoogers:

Same ole big lug he has always been.  We start the night with him sleeping in my bed sometimes between my legs.  The other night, I had a very vivid dream that I had a whole slew of Persian kittens all over me in bed and I was tickling them and playing with them.  As it turned out, coming awake I was tickling Smoogers and he was having a ball with it writhing around in ecstasy.  He was rather put out after I awoke completely and stopped the play time.  After all, it was 4 am for heaven's sake.

 

Piccolo and Leopold

It has been molting time for them and so there are feathers everywhere.  They are the cutest couple.  They do everything together side by side.  Since I switched their feed from Zupreem fruit flavored pellets to Lafeber's, they have thrived.

 

 

2 years ago

When I got home from work today, I noticed both Leopold and Piccolo were sitting as close as they could get on one of the ladder rungs that is in the cage at a angle.  I mean really close.  It looks like Piccolo is not feeling very well.  He is ruffled up.  I suspected yesterday one of them was not feeling well.  I assumed it was Leopold, but today I see that it is Piccolo.  Mr Leopold is not leaving his side but to go get a drink or a bit to eat.  Then he goes right back like glue by Mr Piccolo.  They have been molting quite heavily this month.  I hope that is all this is, but I don't have a good feeling about this.

 

I will have to put some paper at the bottom of the cage on the upper bars to see what the  droppings look like.  I am worried and so is Leopold.

2 years ago

Piccolo has very little balance now.  I think it is just a matter of probably a few hours and he will be gone.  I can't help but sit here crying my eyes out for this little bird.  He is so young still and Leopold is trying to care for him the best he knows how to.  I have a heating pad on top of the cage hoping the radiant heat will at least keep Piccolo warm.  I feel so bad for both of them, Piccolo because he is feeling worse and worse and Leopold because he went through the sitting and caring for Kate not so very long ago. I shall write when it is over, when he is better or he is gone.

2 years ago

Oh NO! 

2 years ago

Oh yes!  At 7pm cdt, little Piccolo passed away.  Leopold never left his side even to eat.  I heard one of them finally eating and looked in to find that Piccolo had died.  Leo is just sitting in his seed dish (it's a big one), periodically eating a little but mostly just sitting there. Every so often, he will return to the ladder and look about for his companion, but I have since removed him and will bury him tomorrow when it is light. 

 

I  have no idea what struck the little one but I did notice when I removed him that he was quite thin so this must have been percolating for a time.  I remember that when Kate was euthanized, the avian vet told me that like most animals, birds hide their illnesses quite well and that she was also quite thin under all those feathers.

 

Leo is again eating but he looks somehow diminished in size this evening..and all alone.

RIP Little Piccolo 5/11/11-9/22/12 Smiley from millan.net

2 years ago

AAWWWW.. poor little Piccolo. 

2 years ago

Thanks Nancy.  Leopold is woke up late this morning.  I guess he was pretty tired having been a caregiver for more than 24 hours.  I am watching him closely for any signs of his getting ill.  But he is a pretty hardy fella.

2 years ago



I'm sorry for your loss.

2 years ago

Thanks, Spooks.  It never matters to me if I lose a cat, dog, bird or my fish, I cry just the same for the lost life of my pet friends.

2 years ago

Sigh Mary, I've just been reading through this thread and more about Piccolo.  Again, I'm so sorry for your loss. 

 

Your avian vet was right.  Birds (and other animals) hide illness so well that we often don't know something's wrong until it's too late.  Birds, like most prey species, are very, very good at this.  

 

Sending big, big, big s

 

Going back to Sherman, what do you mean when you say his jewels?  Does he only have one testicle?  Remind me, I thought they were in the middle of a dental when they had to wake him up.  Did they not get to finish his neuter?  Once I know what you mean a little better, I can answer you better.  Also, and this is going to sound kinda strange, if you can get a picture and post it, that might give me more insight.  

 

I can tell you that dogs that are neutered later in life can have a saggy scrotum (the sack that holds the testicles).  Sometimes they regress and disappear, other times it hangs around and... well, sags.  The bigger the testicles and the older the dog, the saggier the sack and more likely it won't regress.  

 

Testicles hanging lower, I suppose is possible as they get older and the skin loses it's elasticity.  Generally, it's the size of the testicle that points to possible problems.  If he only has one it can be a little more difficult to catch any subtle enlargements because you don't have the other to compare to.  But, if it's soft and kind of squishy, not warm to the touch, not painful, and doesn't appear to be bigger than normal - you're probably okay.

 

Hope that helps

2 years ago

Oh no, he was completely neutered, just his empty sack and his wang are hanging pretty low. I guess I should have called it his jewel box.  I have to take him in Friday for them to have a look see.  But they are not very hopeful that anything could be done at this point and since he is not too into anesthesia, well, I suppose he will have to learn to hurry up if it snows.  We probably will not walk too much then anyway. They threw out the possibility that it may be muscle in the back stretching.  But contrary to most long doxies, his back is not swayed or even long and prone to problems.  He has a more arched back which I am supposing it has helped in keeping him from having the back and leg problems that plague so may dachshunds.

2 years ago

Today, true to my word, I checked out and adopted a new little bird companion for Leopold. Smiley from millan.net He is a unique combination of colors--a light blue front with white wings that have dark gray "tabby" like epaulets and a slightly light yellow face with a dark gray tabby like cap.  Don't know, once again, really what the sex is, but Leopold seems to be content with either sex.  He just is a social kind of guy and he will be happy with this new younger bird.  I have already decided to name him/her Pippin, or Mr Pippin to me.  I have rigged up a way to attach the isolation cage to the side of the big cage only because Mr Smoogers eyed him much like a snack and I did not wish to chance an encounter that could only end in disaster.

 

We have a new toy for when they get together and right now I have the absorbent paper in the cage bottoms, but am seriously considering bedding for the bottom of the cage.  I did put a seed catcher around the bottom of the cage in anticipation of perhaps using the bedding.  Also, I have placed the food dish lower down so the pellets are caught prior to hitting the floor.  I put some fresh rooted grass in each of their cages.  I saw the birds simply decimate some at the aviary at PetSmart and thought I would give it a go.  I did mix some conditioning seeds with the pellets for Pippin to transition him to the pellets.  But at present, he is sticking on the perch close to the big cage and staring at Leo.

 

During the presidential debate, Stanley Smiley from millan.netcame out of his safe house quite often and finally took Sherman's dental chewy and devoured it.  He wants more food but he is beginning to noticeably gain more than I want him to so he is now limited to two small feedings a day.  This helps to regulate his bowel habits and give him a more permanent routine.  He had been used to grazing when he  needed to gain weight but he does not need to gain any longer and he is finding the new feeding  schedule a bit too rigid for his taste, but he will survive. While Sherman licks all the enzyme stuff off then hoards his chewies under his towel, Stanley ate his.  At first I thought he had it caught in his mouth maybe lodged between his upper teeth and might be choking on it, he was actually decimating it and swallowed it all.

 

Note to self.  Spend some quality time with Mr Smoogers who I am afraid is feeling "left out" of the main stream with the new dog and now the new bird.  He is staying to himself more and I need to make a point of playing with him for at least a half hour several times a day to bring him back into the fold.  Poor Mr S. Smiley from millan.net He was such the golden boy for quite awhile after Mr A left us, but of late I am sure feels like Oliver Twist.

 

Sherman's appt with the vet was pushed back to this coming Friday.Smiley from millan.net

2 years ago

Awww Mary, Mr. Pippin!  So happy to hear this.  I've been thinking about your bird baby.  Stanley sounds as if he is so happy! And I'm sure Sherman will be fine with your awesome care!  Ah what a happy family you have!!!!

2 years ago

Well, the vet told me about Sherman what I just hate to hear about myself "well that happens with age."  Grrr.  So Sherman is just going to have to strengthen his muscles to keep himself well off the ice, I fear.

 

I decided to just go ahead and put the two birds together as they were plastered against their respective cage sides swapping stories anyway.  Leo seems very content now and Pippin follows Leo around where ever he goes, so I think it is a good match.

 

Today, we had thunderstorms all day and it just poured.  Stanley would not pee or poop in the rain.  But he kept faith and had no "accidents" the whole day.  Once it stopped raining for a bit, I took him out and he went to town having saved up all day.

2 years ago

Pippin, I am happy to report, also like Piccolo, thinks Leo is swell and the two are quite content with one another.

2 years ago

Awwww so glad to hear about the birds and their friendship!  That is just awesome!  And what a good boy Mr. Stanley is!  Oh and the news about Sherman.......well guess many of us are in that rocky boat lol!  Great to hear the update, Mary!

2 years ago

How are all the kids, Mary?

2 years ago

Hmmm.  Well, Stanley had his first vet visit under his new program.  His blood work showed him as very healthy.  He did have some intestinal worms and was duly treated.  I have changed his Home Again chip info to reflect my name and phone.  And on Monday, 11/5 he has an appt with the groomer who first removed his matted coat when he was rescued.  She takes dogs with issues on Mondays so she can spend some extra time with them.  She remembers Stanley, so I am sure he will get a good experience out of it.

Sherman is more and more looking in on Stanley.  And when Shermie and I are playing tug-o-war with his sqeeking snake, Stanley comes out and pokes his nose into the fray then runs back into his safe house when we stop to see if he wants to join.  He comes out more and more every week and pushes to be petted.

Mr Smoogers has his annual physical next Friday.  He is so healthy it is pitiful.  He has blossomed and thinks butting heads is great fun.  He is a lot of fun really.

Pippin has settled right in and again, Leo and Pippin are as one on the perch or the swing.  When they sit together on the swing it is so cute..

I have no fish.

Thanks for asking, Vic.  How are things going with your kids?



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2 years ago

I'm so glad Stanley is getting better and better.  And that little Pippin and Leo are fast friends.

 

My kids are doing good.  New puppy Pickles is settling in. I think she came from an abusive home because she is still wary at times. But she and Hank are best buddies, chasing and wrestling. Hank is happy to have someone with his energy, the old lady Ink would have none of his shenanigans.  Pickles didn't know what a kitty was and is fascinated by Miss Purrl,  it is not reciprocated  LOL

 

2 years ago

Vic, Mary - thanks for the furry kids update.  I know I haven't around much lately but I'm glad to hear your families are both doing well.

Mary - I think it's wonderful to hear that Pippin is settling in well and he and Leo are such fast friends.  That is such good news!!  As is all the reports about about the kiddos.  It's nice to hear that Stanley is coming out of his shell and that they all got a great bill of health.  Good news all around.  

Vic - good to hear the new pup is also settling in well.  Can't wait to see pictures!  The others will learn to tolerate her in time but for now, I'm glad to hear that she's buddied up with Hank.  Do tell us a little about the new addition if you've got the time.  

A Stanley Update
2 years ago

I could swear I posted this once but here it is again just in case it never ever shows up again.


Today, I had an appt to get Stanley groomed.  Mimi, who was the rescue person, suggested I make an appt with Amanda who was the groomer that shaved Stanley's extremely matted coat off in the first place.  So I did and drove quite a distance to have this done.  That was this morning.  I got a call from her not 10 minutes ago saying that Stanley panicked so intensely during the procedure his tongue turned blue and he lost control of his bowels.  She says she would not proceed further.  She had gotten one section of one side shaved, but said she did not want him to further stress he might have a stroke or heart attack from the extreme panic.


Great!  She suggested I have him groomed where the groomer is in a vets officee to administer some sedation.  So now I have to go pick him up.  I did call my recent vet office at Banfield and the tech said she would speak with Dr Mattes and they would work out a treatment plan for Stanley that would involve some sedation.  She said, however, that it would not be a grooming per se such as one obtained at a groomers.  It would actually be fairly rudimentary.  I said he just needed to have his fur  taken from his pawas and around his eyes, have his ears plucked and his nails trimmed and the rest  could be a shave.  He just needed to be able to walk, see where he is walking and prevent ear infections.  She is to call me back with whatever they come up with.

What ever they do come up with, and no doubt it will NOT be cheap, I will probably have to use my CareCredit account which I just got paid off.  And rest assured, I will NOT be telling my sister-in-law about any of this.  He is "just a damned dog, for god's swake!"  I can hear it now, and when she was growing up, the damn dogs ate what they threw to them form the table and none of them ever got taken to a groomer.

2 years ago

Aw Mary  It never seems to end, does it?

Sometimes animals go through their first grooming session with no incident just because it's new and they don't know what to expect.  The reaction comes the second time around when they know when they hear those clippers start.  Also you don't know what happened while he was there.  The trigger can be something as simple as the place being louder, busier than the last time or someone dropping or banging something.  Something that simple could set off a reaction that major.  Poor Mr Stanley.

Maybe the vets office will be able to give him something to just take the edge off enough to finish the job, rather than completely sedate him.  But for an animal that stressed, it's often safer and quicker than fighting and freaking him out.  Hopefully the price won't be too bad.  I always have that same thought about my CareCredit card.  Especially the first time I had to use it after I finally finished paying off a $2200 bill on it.  

They're never just a damned animal to a lot of people though.  To a good amount of the world they're family members and we'd do just about anything for them.  You're not alone and don't let people make you feel guilty!  We need more people like you in the world.  

2 years ago

Poor Stanley.  When I went to pick him up he looked so pathertic and he was trembling.  He let me hold him and we went on to the car where I wrapped him up in an old sweat shirt and placed him on a towel.  He was pretty stressed and on the way home, he slept a bit.  He let me carry him back into the house and he went into his safe house and zonked out.  My heart aches for this little dog with the big baggage load.  He had 3 strikes against him when he was rescued.  I wonder sometimes if we did him a favor.  Is he really having a quality life?  He is afraid of his own shadow and panics whenever he finishes his business outside.  He tears off toward the dooor and frantically paws at the door untill I open it and he rushes through it and slides into his safe house like it was home plate.  Right now, he is sound asleep.  I actually feel privileged sort of that he trusts me more than he used to.  He was actually relieved to have me hold him and put him in our car.

Will keep everyone updated if you all would like me to.

2 years ago

Mary so sorry Mr. Stanley had this episode.  I'm sure he has a quality life.  He has lots of love and comfort. And such a sweetie he is.  I want to hear more on how he's doing, just letting you know.  Thinking of both of you! *hugs*

2 years ago

Oh Mary.  So sorry to hear this.  I am glad he felt comforted by you. 

How is he today?

My Roy does not like the outdoors.  Once he found a home, he doesn't ever want to leave.  Otherwise, he certainly doesn't have the issues that Mr. Stanley has.

2 years ago

I know this grooming experience was extrememly stressful, but it sounds like he'll will still gradually become more relaxed & confident as his trust in his life with you continues to deepen.  I hope you won't let this one experience discourage you with his progress.

I don't have any experience with groomers.  Would the groomer allow you to stay with him while he's being groomed?   I imagine you have stayed with him through vet appointments?   Could it have been being alone without you that scared him so bad?  It sounds like this was the first time he's been away from both you & his new home at the same time.

I know this was a horrible experience for him, but at least now he knows if you drop him off

for grooming that you will come back for him.  I would think his relief at you taking him home again will do a lot to further his trust with you. If they don't let you stay with him next time while being groomed maybe the knowledge that you come back for him can help him be a bit less traumitized.

I hope his next grooming session goes much better.   I'm sorry the sedation for grroming is expensive,  I hope eventually he can become confident enough to not to need it.  I think he's really lucky to have you.

2 years ago

Aw.  Thanks for the encouragement, you guys.  Today he is pretty washed out, but doing well in spite of his experience.  He does always spend most of his time in his safe house and today he is sleeping a bit more than usual maybe, but otherwise, he does not seem worse for wear other than his peculiar appearance.  His back and one hind leg was shaved.  His sides down to the end of his ribs are shaved, so he has his head and tail, three legs, and his underside and around his rump still with tangled curls.  Definitely not what I would call show quality.  Luckily I have no mirrors around and he cannot see past the fur in front of his eyes so we are okay there.

The groomers will not let anyone in the grooming area I think she told me for county compliance regulations and  insurance purposes.  If something happened to a non groomer or bather while in the area, they possibly could be in a lot of trouble with the county and insurer.


No matter though, he needs to have the job completed and if it takes a little sedation and a lousy haircut, so be it.  He cannot go like he is.  The fur is over his eyes and he will not hold still for me to cut any of it.  He needs the fur between his toes and under his pads removed so he doesn't keep having his feet slide out from under him when he walks on the non carpeted areas.  He needs his nails trimmed. He needs the hair in his ear canals plucked.  A lot.  I will not even attempt to do any of it myself.  I want him to not associate me with any of it.

You are correct I believe in him associating me coming back for him, but he really frightened the groomer who is used to many dogs with issues.  She said when a  dog's tongue begins turning cyanotic he is in trouble and she said there would be nothing she or her staff could do if he did cause himself to have a stroke or a heart attack which she said was a real possibility given the state of panic he was in. She said he would not let anyone hold him close to help calm him down.  He only calmed a bit when he was placed in the kennel cage.

Perhaps later down the line, we can try again, but he will need more time to be more socialized and used to handling by humans before that happens.


Ah, Gina, one of the problems with the vets office is that CareCredit will only grant usage in chunks of $250.00 or more at a time.  The tech said she doubted this would come close to that.  However, if the cost turns into more than I can comfortably afford at one time, they could go ahead and submit the $250,00 as a charge and then I would have a credit to use for any future meds etc that will undoubtedly come up.  Something always comes up.  So, Plan B is starting to take shape maybe.


I think it might be prudent to get him insured as soon as I can, though.  No grass under our feet, no sir.

2 years ago

Did Mr. Stanley ever get the rest of his hair cut?  How is he doing in general.

2 years ago

I've wondered the same thing.  He's such a sweet little guy.

2 years ago

Oh, I should have posted an update right away.

Mr Stanley was sedated and the vet techs, who freely admit they are NOT groomers, finished shaving him.  His fur was matted to some extent.  Apparently poodles mat very easily and often if not groomed frequently.  Great!  Anyway, he was pretty loopy afterwards.  He was unable to walk well--looked like Bambi on ice.  When I got him home he went to bed and stayed there for almost 28 hours.  Of course his coat is very short but they tried to at least leave his ears and top notch a tad longer so he sort of looks the part of a poodle.  He does look pretty diminished with his skinny little legs.  I am told that poodles have skinny little legs--spindly--but that their thighs should have some more muscle.

Since this ordeal and after a couple of days, he reverted to not being house trained well.  One of the trainers at work who works with difficult dogs has given me pointers and we are working on it.  One is to keep him in sight and right by me all the time and if that is not possible, contain him.  Give him treats when he does his thing outdoors when I regularly take him.  We are working on it.

The vet office went ahead and submitted a charge for 250 dollars then put a credit on my account to use in the future if and when needed by one of the kids.

2 years ago

I meant to post that Stanley stayed in his house sleeping for around 18 hours, not 28.  Yikes, I would have thought him dead if 28 hours were the case.

2 years ago

Hopefully his coat is short enough so he won't need the grooming again for quite awhile.  It sounds like even with the sedation it's a lot for him to go through.  I hope the house training goes well.  It sounds like you are being very patient & good with him.

2 years ago

Thanks, Marlene, how is your baby with the allergies, Joy.

2 years ago

    Joy has a vet appointment next week.  Currently she's only on the steroid every other day..  They had increased her to 3 antihistamines in addition to the steroid.  Then they stopped all medication over a weekend after she vomited 3 times in 2 days.  There's also been problems with intermittent, but chronic diarrhea that seems to have been happening with both cats. It really worried her vets, but I always thought it was just the food.  I'm still feeding them the Hill's Z/D canned, but now I'm only giving the dry Hill's Z/D as treats.  This has seemed to have resolved the diarrhea/soft stool problem. 

      This has all been compounded by an incident that happened on Oct. 2nd.  I was gone for a couple of hours.  When I got back there was a significant amount of dried, but still very bright red blood in various places on the floor.  I don't know which cat it came from.  I took Dove in for check-up.  They couldn't find anything wrong.  Then Joy saw the vet a couple weeks later.

     Joy actually has a little fuzz & slight regrowth on her tummy, but she has lost a little more fur from her side.

     Mary, thanks for asking about Joy.  This continues to be pretty stressful.  I stayed in town over Thanksgiving because I was too nervous to leave the cats with a pet sitter with all the complicatons of pills, canned food, non-clumping clay litter, vomitting, diarrhea, & the spector of the unexplained bleeding eposide. 

2 years ago

Was it Dove who had some sort of infected anal gland or something like that at one time or am I thinking of some other fur kid?

2 years ago

Mary, you have a good memory.  That was one reason why I took Dove in for the check-up in case her remaining scent gland was involved, but it wasn't.  She was also due for the check-up anyway.  She seemed 100% fine to both me & the vet. 

2 years ago

Some Stanley pictures.  As you can tell, his grooming was not the most attractive, but you can see he has eyes again.



2 years ago

Well, he's a love muffin not a stud muffin.  It's OK.

2 years ago

I can see why you fell in love with him.  He's beautiful with such nice eyes. 

2 years ago

Thank you.  Nancy, his stud muffin days are far behind him now.  Yes, Marlene, he does have compelling eyes.  I am watching daily the light in them increase.  Confidence does that I guess.

2 years ago

He sounds like my Angel. After anything traumatic, she'll go potty in the house. It's stress related. Could be that they're trying to communicate to us via chemical signals, or maybe going potty outside makes them feel too vulnerable when they're so stressed out. There's not much that you can do besides confining them, like the trainer said, and trying to get them back to "normal".

What was Stanely's backstory? Was he a puppy mill dog?

Sad to say, I haven't been able to find a lot of groomers that I can trust so I learned how to groom myself. They don't typically want you hanging around. Maybe you can find someone to come to your house? Stanely looks like a little guy, maybe you could groom him yourself, if you're interested. The equipment would cost about 3 grooming session's worth but saves you in the long run. PM me if you'd like recommendations.

Just so you know for Leopold and for future reference, these are some things that can help you detect illness before it gets bad. Regular weigh-ins are important. Find yourself a gram scale. You can get it at most kitchen stores. Bed Bath And Beyond, Walmart, whatever. Or the internet. Find one with a "Tare" function. Every time you weigh him, make sure it's around the same time of day. They can pack on some weight after a big meal so that's why it's important to always do it in the morning, or evening or whatever. Attach a perch or buy a small, cheap cage to set on the scale. This is where the "Tare" function comes in handy.

If he lets you handle him, memorize the feel of his keel bone. Use what's normal to help detect his body condition. Also check his vent to make sure it's clean. Unclean can mean illness.

Hunkering down, and being fluffed up continuely almost always means that the bird isn't feeling well. They usually start doing this, though, after it gets bad enough.

When mine aren't feeling well, they always get squinty eyed. They do a slow, blinky thing. Almost like they're too tired to keep them fully open. This has been my best predicter of something being wrong. It never fails, when they do this, something has always been wrong. And I've been able to catch illnesses in the very early stages. Like the very onset of an infection or even soreness from egg laying (which we try to prevent around here!).

Also moniter his droppings. Loose droppings can, but not always, indicate something being wrong. They can get very loose droppings after a big drink or a bath or shower. So one or two loose droppings isn't abnormal but if they continue like that, that's what you'd be looking for.

2 years ago

Wow, Michelle, that is a treasure trove of information and some mighty fine suggestions for both Stanley AND the birds.  I have never tamed either bird so it may prove somewhat dufficult to weigh them but one never knows till one tries.  I do have a small digital scale that has bunches of features.  I will examine it.  So far, they are both pretty perky and seem healthy.  Leopold is practically indestructible it would seem.

I have a good acquaintance with the groomer up the road.  We are always chatting.  She does Sherman's nails and glands for me for minimal price.  She is supposed to give me a call tomorrow about Stanley.  She has a rescue dog herself but she will let me be with Stan when he gets his beauty appt.

Stanley was a former puppy mill breeding dog.  It is my understanding that when breeding dogs get to about 5 years, they cannot perform as well as they need to so they are either sold off, killed, or like Stanley dumped out somewhere to fend for themselves.  He was in a cage all his life and apparently a small one because he has a curved back with a hump toward his neck.  He also has hip displagia and poor muscle development.  AND he is deaf.  We think maybe his hearing is not completely gone but unsure whether his hearing loss is from chronic untreated ear infections or if it is genetic.  We have a long row to hoe and it is teaching me a lot about patience.He does not really know how to be a dog.  Does not know how to play or enjoy life.  He is trusting me more and enjoys being petted but not cuddled.  Not very high quality of life for him so far.

Thanks a lot for the info.

2 years ago

You all will be happy to hear that Mr Stanley and I have made great strides in our relationship.  He is quite fodn of me as much as he can be and I of him.  He comes over more and more and even sits down by me while I pet him.  I will lean into his house from time to time and give him a kess on the head and go nose to nose with him.  He is going to need grooming again preey soon so he does not mat like before.  The groomer up the road suggested he get a prescription for some ace promethazine and give it about an hour prior to coming ina nd she will give it a go with his cut.  She said I can stay.  I have been having the clippers staying in his house with him and have rubbed it on my hand and then his ears and face and head in an effort to let him see that it is not as daunting as he may think.  I have not tried turning it on though.  Baby steps.  And since he regressed in house training from the last simply ghaslty empisode we are going slow with all things.  I keep him tethere even in the house to the cable lead so he cannot run about the house until we get more control.  BUT, and this is a big one.  I hung a bell from the door handle down to his nose level and everytime he even accidentally touches it, I throw the door open and he can go out if he wants to.  Lately, now, when he needs to pee or poop, hi will hit the bell and the door flies open and out he goes.  Then he gets a reward right away.



Of course, now, Sherman is jealous and has started acting out by managing to get hold of the little bags of treats even when I assumed were out of reach.  He shreds the bags into tiny miscule peices and eats all the treats.  Last time he did this in front of the refrigerator where his green beans are kept then he pooped all over the floor.  He knew when I walked in from shopping that he did something wrong and that I would be very very angry which I was so he went and hid out in his hous.  I went over and dumped him out, locked his door and he spent the day under the bed. Now, even if the treats put some weight on Shermie, he shares the treats but only if Stanley gets one. Stanley only gets one iif he does business.  He does not get a treat just for running out then coming right back in.  Baby steps, guys, but Stanley may turn into a dog yet.From Millan.Net

2 years ago

Marlene---Thank you for the green star.  How are joy and dove doing?  You were concerned abourt some blood you felt was from Dove but it was not another anal gland abcess?    And Joy is doing better I hope.

2 years ago

I'm so glad you found an absolutely wonderful groomer.  She sounds like just what you & Stanley need.  I'm really glad you will be able to stay while she does the grooming.  I liked your idea of keeping the clippers around him.  The idea of rubbing the turned off clippers on your hand as well as his face & head is a remarkably good idea.   I hope his next grooming session goes well.  It sounds like it should go much much better than last time.

I loved your idea of hanging the bell from the door handle at his nose level.  What a brillant way for him to let you know when he needs to be let out.  It sounds like you & Stanley are getting pretty well synchronized.

Poor little Shermie for getting jealous.  It's hard to keep them all happy at the same time.

I was surprised at a rare display of affection between Dove & Joy.  They were waiting while I put their supper food in their bowls.  They gently touched their noses together, then rubbed cheek against cheek twice with one side of their faces.  Then they switched cheeks to rub twice with the other side of their faces.  There was a beautiful symmetry.  They've never done this before. 

2 years ago

Ah the sad news never stops.  Mr Shermie was abducted by my SIL because she says he has been acting out with my trying to retrain Stan with treats.  So I started giving Shermie treats too.  I bought Shermie an  orthopedic bed but took the bigger crate so Stan could sit and stand completley upright.  She said that wasn't fair and all I did was complain how Shermie has been acting out.  The she kept letting him live upstairs except to pee and eat.  So she says she almost backed over him in the driveway and since he came up from the base of the hill I must have let him out for spite.  Stunned I told her she has always had a problem admitting when she could be wrong because since he has spent most time upstairs, I did not know he was downstairs at all. 

If you all will recall that when I agreed to take Shermie in it was always he would be on the condition that he would be my dog, mine.  Yes, yes, says Scott the rolling stone owner.  Now SIL says Shermie has always been Scotts and still is.  When I confronted her she  about this she called me crazy that I am overreacting.  I screamed you can't just waltz on into my place and take my dog.  She said he isn't mine anymore, he is hers.  They (I included my wimp of a brother in this because that is what he is.  Neither he nor his son could fight a wet noodle and win.  I emailed Scott.  But no answer and I never expected one.  He always dances to his mother's tune.  She said I will never know the love a mother has (she rubs that in my face all the time) and that animals are not children.  He is old and a dog for Chris' sake.  I was livid.  I slammed the door behind her as she left at it hit her huge bumm.  She came back in, got right up in my face and pointed it at my nose not an inch away and told me to get out.  So I snapped at her finger with my teeth.  She said  said she could call the police for assault and I told her to go right ahead.  Imagine me in the slammer.  To add a hurtful twist, she sent al the toys and things I bought for Shermie over the years, his squeaker squirrel, his snake, all fo it.  His little coat. everything. 


So that is where it is at at this time.  I made a list of things he needs medically for next week and what food he is on and what antibiotics he needs for his gums, etc.  None of it is cheap.  The deal I had with Stray Rescue was between me and them.  SIL says she bets she coudl get the same deal.  I called them and told them what she did and if he continues to come down there to not "give" the services or the advantage LI multi and his other stuff.



I swear if I had a gun I would have shot her between the yes and put the world out of its misery.  Naturally I have been crying  and crying for my little Shermie.  He won't get any care.  She will feed him shyte, and probably buy that Hartz junk for fleas and the heck with the heart worm stuff because afterall, he isw old and just a dog.  Oh how I miss him so. I fear I will never see him again this side of rainbow bridge.
2 years ago

That's definitely high intensity family drama with a lot more than just Shermie's well being at

stake.  I understand why you are deeply upset, but that's pretty scary that she's calling you crazy & threatening to call the authorities.  I think you need to be extra careful from now on not to do or say anything that she could construe as threatening.

Something you might do is to start keeping a notebook where you write down the exact date, times, place & words between you & your sister-in-law.  I'm guessing authorities won't be called in, but it could help if you limit contact with her while keeping a diary of exactly what gets said between the two of you.  That way you can be calm & collected while giving precise information to authorities if it should come to that.  It probably would be a good idea not to have another discussion soon with her unless it's either in a very public place or unless you can have a friend there.  It's sounds like you need a third party to mediate although that may not be possible.

I had thought the agreement was that Shermie was your dog.  It's seems like it has been a long time since you've had him.  I'm guessing unless there is something in writing that it's just your word against hers, but you could check with legal aid?  I figure there is a good chance she & Scott may decide that Shermie's care is more involved than they will be enthusiastic about doing.  I figure they might eventually decide to return him, but I don't know.  I think things are serious enough that taking care of yourself now is what's most important.

Have you ever tried meditation?  It can really help with stress reduction.  You'll function better if you're calmer.

I know it's got to be hard to have patience right now, but hang in there.

2 years ago

I must apologize to everyone here on this group.  I have a tendency to overreact especially when I am tired or whatever.  Suffice it to say, that I have not been myself lately and after speaking with my brother and Terry, I realize just how stressed out I have been and how unreasonable about talking rationally.    We decided that for my own sanity, that Sherman woudl stay upstairs for a bit and that Stanley would be fostered again with Mimi in hopes of finding a less frantic atmosphere.  I did a lot for Stanley and he has come a long way.  This evening I took him with Terry to meet the friend of Mimi's who will be caring for him for awhile.  He enjoyed the ride and did not panic at all.  I think he remembered this woman as being a big friend of his so the transfer went well except for me dissolvinginto tears holding his floppy ears and face with my hands.  But now it is just me an Mr S and that is fine.  Oh Leo and Pippin are still around.  Thank you all for being concerned.  There is a lot more going on that I don't feel needs to be talked about on a public forum.  Those of you I have heard from privately, know how much I appreciate you--so much.

2 years ago

No apology needed.  I imagine Mr. Smoogers will enjoy having you all to himself for a while.  It sounds like you will be good company for each other. 

2 years ago

Very true.  He truly is "king of the hill" at this time and I think he senses I am not feeling well at all, that something is awry.  He has been most attentive this evening especially.  Cats are so good that way.

2 years ago

Oh Mary, what an ordeal.  

I'm so sorry I haven't been around much these last few months.  Believe I understand going through personal stuff outside of Care2.  It sounds like a good talk with your brother and Terry (your husband, I think?).  Sometimes we care too much and it wears on us and we need a break, a breather.  I'm sorry life has been stressful and I hope things turn around for the better for you and all of your kids.  They're still your kids even if they're not with you .  

You've made an impact in both of their lives and made great strides with them all.  Now it's time to take a little care of you and bond with Mr. S and enjoy your time with the lovebug.  

 Sending you lots of and and

2 years ago

Gina, I really like the little icons of the cat & dog giving hugs.  Very nice.

2 years ago

Well, my family is down to Mr Smoogers, Pippin and Leo.  Surprisingly I miss Stanley so much more than I thought I would.  I loved that little guy.  And surprisingly, Sherman, though entretaining and cute, not so much.  I don't think I will ever get over Stanley.

2 years ago

No Gina, Terry is my infamous sister in law.

2 years ago

You all will be happy to know that leo and pippin are gettingon greatly.  They have a large swing and often sit next to each other in the middle of this swing.  Oh they are so cute.

Mr Smoogers and I are truly forming a lasting bond--head butts and all.

I heard from some of thie girls that help Mimi out that Stanley is staying with Denise, the lady who met me and took him home.  They reassured me that he is doing great and that he gained a lot from his stay with me.  So I feel somewhat better.

I have seen very little of Shermie but I feel it best we make a clean break of it.  I know he is confused and looks hurt sort of when I don't stop by but he needs to be the upstairs dog now.  Terry must have gotten a new broom to ride.  She came down demanding if I had seen some little vacuum cleaner.  I said no I hadn't seen it since the last garage sale.  She then went back upstairs.  (witch-*itch) Oh the stories I could tell.

2 years ago

     That's cool that Mr. Smoogers likes head butts.  Dove likes to do that, too.  She's the only cat I've known that really likes that.  She gets pretty enthusiastic if I get down to her level on the floor.

     It's nice that you've been able to do some follow-up to know how Stanley is doing.  He sounds like a really special little dog.  It's good to know things are going as well as possible for him.

     Joy went back to the specialist vet a couple days ago.  It's been long enough that the vet was hoping she would have regrown fur while on the Atopica, but she hasn't.  She said Joy might still show some improvement during the next 6 weeks, but it gets less likely with time.  Joy lost about 1 pound which is significant because she is a pretty small cat.  The vet said this is OK as long as she doesn't lose more.  She said this was likely because she's off the steroid.  Joy was a lot less stressed out this time.  I sat in the car with her until a couple minutes before her appointment to avoid the vet hospital lobby which is large, busy &  usually pretty noisey.  They always seem to have a surprising number of large dogs.  While I was waiting at the pharmacy afterwards I got to see a beautiful Russian Wolfhound (Borzoi).  It seems like years since I've seen one. 

     It's gratifying your birds like each other so much.  I've never had birds, but yours sound really nice.  I like getting to hear about them.

2 years ago

Good luck with Joy.  What is the next step the vet is planning?
 

And how is Dove.  She was having some bleeding but not from an anal gland.  What's the news on that front.

I still cry when I think of Stanley.  He was such a special little dog with so many problems both physical and psychological.  I like to think I helped a little with both and let him know that there are people out there and that they will care deeply for him.  Go Stanley!! 

2 years ago

     The plan with Joy for the next 6 weeks is to continue the Atopica daily.  After 6 weeks I'm supposed to start giving her the Atopica every other day for a couple of weeks to see if she can be stable at that dose.  Her other regular vet just quit practicing.   I hated to see that happen.

     I think you took extraordinay care of Stanely.  Doesn't sound like anyone could have done better, but I'm sure he's also getting good care now.  I think you helped him in every way.  I'm sorry you are missing him so much.

2 years ago

Mary, I just saw that you asked about Dove.  Fortunately she seems to be really healthy.  I'm grateful for that.

2 years ago

Good to hear.  Is the bvet you are taking Joy to a specialist?

2 years ago

     Early last fall I started taking Joy to the dermatology department at the local university vet hospital.  She's supposed to go back in 7 1/2 weeks.

     Do you have any pictures of your birds?  I've never had birds so I don't much about them.

I'm always interested in knowing what's involved in taking care of them.  They sound like they have a lot of heart, soul & intelligence.

     I'm doing my best to take care of Joy & Dove, but they most likely will be my last pets.

If I should ever get more pets it would be something like your birds or just one very small dog.  I stayed in town over the holidays because of Joy.   I'm really worried about if I should need to be gone.  If Joy was a little dog at least I could travel with her.

    

2 years ago

Mary - ahhh family right?  I think we all have at least one family member like your sister-in-law. And sometimes a clean break is necessary, at least for a little while until Sherman gets adjusted upstairs and your heart has time to heal.  I'm sorry situations weren't better for you in the canine department.  But you're feline and avian world seems to be singing and that's wonderful!!

Stanely will always have a special place in your heart because of all the time and work and bonding you did with him.  We always remember the ones who get our special attention and the ones we nurture through something.  You helped Stanley in more ways than you'll every know and you'll both be the better for it.  Don't fret about him.  He's going to do well because of you!  

Marlene - thanks for the updates on your girls.  

How is Joy otherwise on the Atopica?  I know the hair isn't growing back but does she seem itchy?  Was she better on the steroids?  Steroids will often make animals eat more and drink more and, therefore, gain weight.  Off the meds, it's not uncommon for them to lose a little.  But like the specialist said, just keep an eye on her weight.

So very glad to hear that Dove is doing well.  

Now a days there are a lot of people out there that will come to your house and pet sit while you're away so you can avoid boarding.  Some vet clinics might actually have staff that do just that on the side, which is kind of nice because you know they'll be well taken care of and know them at least a little bit.  If they don't have someone who does that, they might be able to recommend someone.  More and more people are moving toward this over boarding because, generally, it's a similar price or cheaper and the animals get to stay home where they're comfortable.  Course there are some who don't mind boarding either.  Just an option that might give you more peace of mind to go away and take a break should you want to.  

As far as I know, birds are pretty low maintenance and low key as long as they don't develop something like feather plucking or another illness.  I've never kept them myself so Mary and Michelle might be able to give you a little more info.  They're awesome little creatures.  

Years ago we got my grandfather a little parakeet as a companion.  They're inseparable.  We joke and call him her girlfriend.  But he knows all her little habits and behaviors and knows what she wants when she makes a certain sound.  And for a little parakeet she's got a huge vocabulary.  She mimics the sounds on his computer (yes, my 91 year old grandfather uses a computer) and she used to mimic the sounds of the WebTV he had before.  Cool little bird.

 

2 years ago

I don't have any new news about anyone but Mr Smoogers who is a big boy now and  has picked up any number of habits, such as butting heads and sticking his cold wet nose in my ear.  But I do havve some new photos I can share.  Some of you have already seen them.





2 years ago

Mr. Smoogers is quite the handsome fella !  Got any pics of Leo and Pippin?

2 years ago

As soon as I can figure out how to get the photos off the iphone camera roll.  The above photos were taken and edited by the iphone camera, but I forgot how I got them onto the pc.

2 years ago

Okay.  Here are two pictures of the feather people that I managed to pry out of the iphone.

Leo and Pippin

Leo and Pippin

Pippin and Leo
Pippin and Leo

2 years ago

2 years ago

All are cuties Mary.  Glad to see them.

2 years ago

Donna, long time no hear or see..  How be you?  Sounds like hubby will BE HEADING NORTH AGAIN, EH?


Why thank you Nancy, they are cuties aren't they.  I don't think you can see the cap like fethers on Pippin's head, but it is there. You can sort of see it in the first photo, but he/she is the one hanging from the side of the cage in the second one just in case I am going to decide to wring his neck or some such dangerous plan.

1 year ago

Thanks for the pictures Mary!  Glad to hear things are going well and Mr S is enjoying his house all to himself now.  He is handsome, isn't he?  Leo and Pippin seem to be doing great together too!  Just makes me smile.  Thanks again for sharing.  

1 year ago

Its looking like Pippin is a male.  His cere is slowly turning blue.  They are tight--Pippin and Leo.  Great friends.  I do hope this lasts.

1 year ago

Mary, Mary, Mary!  I didn't see that last post!  Hope all is well with you sweetie!  Birds are beautiful!

I am sorry to say I had to put down my best fish friend, Snowball, yesterday.  It was so hard.  I was extremely upset to lose her.  I know sometimes people think I am off my tree about losing a fish but honestly they can be such good little friends. She would let me pet her and I can still see her little face following me around the room...always hungry ya know.   

For those that wonder how she was put down.  I used clove oil and volka.  It is suppose to be pain free that way.  She was almost 6 years old...a gold fish.  She had bloat so bad she was always upside down and was getting so weak that the filter water would send her slammy to the bottom of the tank and she would just float up again and have it happen again.  Everytime she ate she would bloat like that.  Was so sad to watch my little friend getting weaker and weaker. She just wasn't getting better.   She is burried in the flower garden and we expect a beautiful flower over her this spring.  Hurts to walk by the tank without her there, making faces at me.  Only have my Black Moor, Fraizer in there now.  Hubby things he needs a friend.  I dunno.  To soon for me to think about it.



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1 year ago

Maybe a different kind of goldfish like a bubble eye angel fin or another black one. What do you do place the fish in the clove oil vodka solution?  I never heard of that.  But then, my fish always died before I had to make any decision one way or another.

Good to see you, Donna, besides your sad story, how have you been?

1 year ago

Was sick with some kind of virus for a couple of weeks.  Hubby has it now.  I'm finally OK now Mary, thanks for asking.  Hope you are doing well.

Well, you put the fish in a bowl with a small amount of water.  Then mix couple drops of clove oil in a small container like a medicine bottle, shake it up well and put about a quarter of that mix in the water with fish.  Wait about 10 minutes and the fish should be sleeping at the bottom of the bowl.  If not, put more clove oil water in, wait another 10 minutes.  When fish is asleep, then add a couple of oz. of vodka.  The vodka will expire the sleeping fish.  All the clove oil does is put it in a sleep.  If you take the fish out of the clove oil water, it will wake up.  Of course these amounts are for a small fish up to about 3 inches.

I dunno, maybe, will have to look but know if I look I will bring another home, so staying away for now. 

1 year ago

So sorry to hear about your fish, Snowball, Ex T.

Hi to everyone.  Haven't seen Mary much lately, or Ex T either.

1 year ago

Hi Nancy!  And thanks. 

1 year ago

Yesterday Pippin and Leo were fine and tonight both are in the final stages of life.  I have no idea what hit them but one day they were fine and tonight not fine.  I expect by tomorrow both shall be gone.  Of course I am crying my eyes out.  It is rather hard and bit maudlin to sit and watch them slowly lose the battle.  I'll never know what hit them both.  They had become fast friends.  Will let you all know what happens.

1 year ago

At 12 midnight, Mr Pippin died.  Mr Leopold is hanging in there by a thread.

1 year ago

Mary, I am really sorry.  I hope you're doing OK.

1 year ago

Oh Mary, so very sorry to hear about the birds.  I also hope you are doing OK.  Maybe there was something wrong with their bird seed.  How sad. 

1 year ago

How is Leopold?  Did he get better? 

1 year ago

Oh no!  I am so sorry, Mary!

1 year ago

Oh Mary!  I am so sorry.  Sorry to hear about Pippen (he was the youngest?).  Hope Peopold has perked up. 

1 year ago

This mornig when I woke up, Mr Leopold had died overnight.  I know they were "only"birds, but they will be missed all the same.  I am really sad right now.  I don't know what happened but they both suddenly--died.  Thanks for the sympathy.  I appreciate it.  You all are such good friends.

1 year ago

I knew it didn't sound good, but I was still hoping that Leopold could recover.   Not knowing what caused this sounds unnerving.  Maybe Gina will have helpful ideas & advice. 

1 year ago

I am truly sorry for both birds.  It is hard when it is two at once. 

for Pippen and Leopold

  For Mary

1 year ago

Thanks Nancy and Marlene.

1 year ago

Oh Mary, I'm so sorry. You've been through so much. I'm sure you are heartbroken, they weren't 'only birds' they were your kids and you loved them.

Leo and Pippin fly free little ones

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