We are really leaning for this group homestead idea so we have help on the land/farm and so we can help others. If you had to ask prospective homesteaders questions about why they would like to live like this, what could they contribute ect. What do you think are the most important questions to ask?
V
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I really don't think there are any good questions.
The people who gave the best answers would be likely to be a lot of talk and very little action.
The people most likely to accomplish the most would probably give the least satisfying answers.
Have you ever noticed that the people who produce the greatest results often have little to say?
Have you ever noticed that the most practiced speakers have practiced very little else?
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Then how do we choose the right people for our homestead? Can you please give me some suggestions? We dont want pedophiles, weekend ecotrippers, or any of the riffraff that would pollute our environment of peace and love. Any suggestions? And you are right, most people are a whole lot of talk and little action.
V
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How's this?
Rather than asking questions, let's learn to listen. Let's learn to observe and recognize the things that we know with out being told.
I've posted my own experiances to help people realize there's a need to be careful on both sides of the coin.
I also suspect that you may be putting the cart before the horse on this. Until the land shows up, questions about housing & community are merely accademic.
I've "met" people online who asked me to join their community...they didn't have any land yet, but different groups are busily forming their communities anyway.
Well, I guess that's how Steven Gaskins did it....
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I hear you. We are not planning to ask anyone right now to consider our homestead. I actually have people asking me about it, its why I asked. I keep telling the few that wrote that we are not prepared nor do we even know how to interview people when we are prepared. So since you yourself have lived on a community homestead I only was curious what you were asked so when the time does come I have an idea as to what to do. We are considering it heavily because people have written telling us how they are good at weaving, growing things, taking care of animals, ect and are interested in maybe living on our land in a home like ours and helping out to save money ect, whatever their reasons. For us it means being able to have more free time, save money and invest in our kids. You can see the draw for young parents.
I am so new to this idea. I have seen many websites on this and to be honest, they are so idealistic. They promote certain ideas and lifestyles. While I can say that most seem peaceful, productive, constructive, and overall Eden-esque, it just seems so structured. Some are almost too happy, if you can understand my point. My family doesnt want to produce an eco-cult, we just want people who want to farm with us and raise their own food in a save the planet type of way. We arent interested in what you wear or how you worship God, only that they be responsible and friendly....and not a predator.
A couple of my friends have this idea, and the money to back it, for a mass communal environment. They are looking at thousand acre pieces of land in Montana and Asheville. They seem to think this is needed to face the upcoming earth changes. My family on the other hand want to save money and live a healthier lifestyle. They boast about great groves of people in their communities and of a spiritual basis. We don’t care about what or who people worship or how many people live on our land. What we do care about is building a strong extended family of friends who look out for each other. We want like minded people interested in tire walled houses for the sake of saying no to traditional wasteful building and saving money with recycled building.
We are still in the finding land stages for sure. Here in VA there is just SO much land to look over. Much is on mountains with incorrect slopes like a 1 to 1 slope or not the right facing slope when south is ideal. Some are by turkey farms or chicken farms. Just so you understand, bird farms stick really bad and have heavy 18 wheeler traffic. There is so much to consider. Though by June/July of next year, we will have our little 10 acres. From there we hope to build a small cottage to live in until we finish building. We are even considering a small trailer. Our father in law is also going to help in the buying so hopefully things can move quickly as possible. We also have a large family ran construction company in which we can rely on to help build in a pinch.
Our only upcoming goal is to find the land asap. We feel though that when it is meant to be it will come. But we arent totally relying on this. The old saying is God helps those who help themselves so we don’t plan to just sit on our asses either.
Though I do see why you say you think we are putting the cart before the horse. You might have thought we were doing the same type of community planning that seems to be the rage these days. But I can tell you no, we arent. We plan on building our little house and farming with or without anyone else helping or joining. We are loners really at heart. Hermits with little interest in the mainstream bullsh!t world. But if anyone wants to rent a duplex or so from us or vacation in one, we are up for it. The extra income and extra hands on the farm will be nice. I also wouldn’t mind a few more naked kids running around the yard playing in the water hose. There is nothing in life like the sound of childrens laughter, a good home cooked meal and the smell of the forest in the morning. To me, this is peace. This is how I want to raise my kids. With love and a profound respect for the earth and all inhabitants.
On a side note; we might run off a lot of would be homesteaders who are asking to build on our land. We are a hunting family. This alone might make some uneasy that we raise rabbits and other livestock for food as well as bow hunt for deer.
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Vertonia
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Replying To: Question for all July 10, 2006 6:51 PM
I'm no expert but since you asked, This is how I made my design. out here land WAS cheap for years so most of the folks like me are doing their own thing rather than looking for someone elses place to do it on. But things are changing. anyway, It's kept free loaders and losers from applying. and those who have come new what to expect ahead of time. so check it out.
I have some land but it isn't in Virginia and I won't tolerate guns or carnivorism. Looking for partners in homebuilding project on the land and other projects.
I know I am a bit late but I cannot believe what I just read :
"I have some land but it isn't in Virginia and I won't
tolerate guns or carnivorism. "
That just blew my mind. Try being a bit more tolerant of others choices too dude. I understand you are stating your personal choices which are great - for you. Please, if you post again how about being a bit more kind as in " Looking for other vegetarians to form a community". You are never going to have a functioning community if you do not tolerate others choices. Good luck to you!
I imagine there are members still in this group. I've been getting daily digest for a month or so now and they all seem to say no postings for that day. So I went to the discussions and threaded into the topic "Question for all". Great to see it has travelled through 2 years of comments. I offer this message in hopes of generating renewed discussion. Thanks to V and family for sharing your vision of the simple life homestead with happy children playing wild and free, of humane raising of food animals and hunting and gathering for nourishment and not for sport. I know this is and probably will be a hot topic for some, vegetarian vs. meat eating, for a long time but I ditto tolerance encouraged by another poster a month ago.
Stepping out of the box and living more attuned to nature has been my vision for most of my life yet, I still live in the city, renting an apartment. I am curious to know how things have worked out the past 2 years for V and family. My goals and dreams are similar and would be open to dialogue concerning what part of the country you live or are looking for land. My adult daughter and I are currently living in Atl. GA. and are looking to connect with a (rural-my dream more than my daughters at this point) single parent friendly, organic gardening community with children as my daughter is pregnant herself. I would be happy to talk with you offline is possible.
Hi Nikki. Yeah, this group is a tad slow these days. Ditto another I joined relating to intentional communities, and its host seems to be MIA. So another member and I will soon be starting a new Intentional Communities group that we hope to keep active. If you're interested, I'll send you an invitation when it's up & running. It will be for any one who is interested in either joining or starting a real life community (and, hopefully, some who already are living in one). I hope you'll join us and help keep the conversation going.
That applies to anyone here who might be interested in such things. Let me know.
Not sure if this is a reply or a new topic but I'm hoping it hooks up to Mel's post of 12/04:
Hi Mell,
Yes, please keep me posted of an alivediscussion group; maybe the talk has died down here ‘cause folks are busy building and living their communal dreams –that would be fantastic.Just wondering how Vertonia and family are doing at this time?Might there be other group members, excited or not about their progress in manifesting more community in their lives, who might update and share how they are fairing?I’d love to hear how others are twisting, turning, and stepping or even bolting the boxes of conformity.
Like I said before, I’ve been a back to the land lover most of my life, but at this midlife or, as some say, second half, still living in the isolating apartment set-up of a large city.What I am actively doing, however is buying foods locally and organically grown; have you heard the term “localvores”?This has become more amd more possible in this area through Georgia Organics, the Morningside Market, and other local farmers’ markets and drop off points.
My family and I lived for several years in an urban IC called Eastlake Commons. That is a large yet friendly and thriving community in Atl, GA. with a 2 or 3 acre CSA. When we moved back into an apartment, the isolation I felt was painful and acute. At this time it has been almost 4 years out of community and I an actively seeking this again, but paired with my love of rural communion with the earth to boot (rather, to dance lightly upon. LOL)
Here are a few e-groups and websites I am looking at and dialoguing with.
Chris Green’s website I have found to carry a lot of depth and vision.He is actively seeking folks to join him in sharing the abundance of a simple life.He has several websites.You can start with his personal site and then link to others.www.the-radical-farmer.info. Chris is looking for people who are willing to step off line and really talk. His online presentation is well thought out and has a wealth of real substance, but he is open to one on one discourse and input.
Iuval Clejan is a co-visionary of Chris Green’s and has a Yahoo group called Precious Time Community that, though now somewhat quiet, is loaded with interesting archival material.Speaking of quiet discussion group possibly indicative of personal life activities of group members, I understand Iuval has gone into a rural mountain community to look at their openness for expansion.Iuval is a physicist and very focused on community in which people can live free of the necessity for working, rather slaving to make ends meet. Instead, it would be grown with the happiness and cooperation of families in growing their own food, living authentically, learning from nature and enjoying life together.
One last website I’ll mention now is the Teaching Drum Wilderness School. www.teachingdrum.org, I believe it is. Check that one out as well if your heart beat sings wild and primitive. (LOL)
Anyone else have websites of interest to share? Lets talk about them!
the original question is answered December 26, 2007 9:45 AM
this started out with the original poster wondering how to find the right people. mel and i have been discussing that on our new group, COMMUNITY IRL. i think this discussion itself would help most people decide who they might want, among the few posting here, who they would like to have in their community. i think if there is someone interested in your group, it would be a good idea to email back and forth for a while and from my experience, (which is not very great), you soon will have a good idea about continuing the dialog. for instance, there are respectful, positive ways to express ones disagreements.