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The capital punishment November 03, 2005 10:52 AM

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT ???

The capital punishment is the most extreme form of cruel, cruel or degrading pain.

The capital punishment constitutes a violation of the right to the life.

The capital punishment is irreversible and involves the risk of which it executes innocents. It has not been possible to never demonstrate that the capital punishment has greater dissuasive effect front to the delinquency that other punishments.


Like organization dedicated to the protection and promotion of the human rights, Amnesty International (AI) works to please put aim to the executions and in the abolition of the capital punishment anywhere in the world.

A spectacular advance has taken place. In 1977, when AI summoned a Conference the International on the Capital punishment in Stockholm, Sweden, only 16 countries had abolished the capital punishment for all the crimes. Nowadays, already there are 86 abolicionistas countries.

From 1997, the Commission of Human rights of the UN has approved every year a resolution insisting to the countries that have not abolished the capital punishment to that they suspend the executions. The last resolution, approved in April of 2005, was cosponsored by 81 States members of the UN, five more than in the 2004 and greater number to date.

AI is at the moment carrying out the campaign No to the execution of menores, whose objective is to end the use of the capital punishment against minor for the year end 2005. AI also is campaigning in please the abolition of the capital punishment in Western Africa, where in the last 10 years executions in only 4 of the 16 countries of the region have been carried out.

AI publishes information updated and the news on the last events on this subject, and maintains a documentation center on the capital punishment in the world.

AI is member of the World-wide Coalition against the Capital punishment . This coalition reunites to national and international organizations of human rights, local and regional schools of lawyers, unions and authorities in a effort to eradicate the capital punishment anywhere in the world.

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 November 03, 2005 11:04 AM

It's funny because I am avidly against Capital Punishment yet if it were me who was going to prison, especially American prison, I would work to be executed.

I'd rather be given a shot that made me go to sleep rather than a shiv that would make me hurt much more.

In that way I guess you could call me a supporter of capital punishment in that it is a kinder fate, then the cesspool of prison.

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 November 03, 2005 11:49 AM

i think existen "delitos" that really need the justice to take this "castigo "

I am not agree really  with the capital punishment.... but as i said.... for example for people like Heatler..i think it would be necesary to give....

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 November 03, 2005 12:21 PM

It depends on the nature of the crime. I have not religious or moral reason for being for or against capital punishment.  I do not  necessarily subscribe to the "eye for an eye" logic and you can only turn the other cheek for so long.  My biggest complaint is that it appears to be biased against the lower income segment of the population.

If you really want to punish someone for a terrible crime there is nothing worse than life imprisonment in a hell hole of a prison like Calcutta or Myanmar.

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 November 03, 2005 12:27 PM

exactly, i am of the opinion that the life in prison is capital punishment, they intend to take your life and thats exactly what they take. borrowed that from the Shawshank redemption, Morgan freeman's character "Red" said it.

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 November 03, 2005 12:27 PM

yeah Oldben.... sometime sis better the person who did soemthing terrible pay that in prisson..as you said the hell hole is there.

Anyhow.... also you said depend the crimen.... this is true..i sad that too in my rare english lol

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 November 04, 2005 3:58 AM

One must remember that there have been many times that innocent people have been convicted of crimes they did not commit. That can happen anywhere. I have a problem with an innocent person being put to death. I have to agree with Adram however if I were in an American prison, innocent or guilty. I would rather be dead too.  [ send green star]
 
 November 04, 2005 5:17 AM

Capital Punishment is such a hard subject to touch on.

My heart says that it is wrong, & there is no excuse for an "eye for an eye" mentality....the whole "2 wrongs dont make a right..."

But at the same time, some people out there are simple just evil....

I live in CT, & as most of you probably remember, earlier this year there was a big contraversy over Micheal Ross. he killed 8 young women brutily in the 80's. Now he him self said that he wanted to die for his crimes. He said that he knew he was evil & that the world would be a better place with out him.....

I dont know.....At the sametime that I can say I DONT support the death penalty, I cant say that I dont understand why we have it.

If some one i loved was killed,i cant fully say that i woulndt want them to pay the hightest price possible.....but then again, i just dont know......

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 November 04, 2005 5:47 AM

What I am saying is that life in prison without the possibility of parole is capital punishment meant to institutionalize its inmates and break their spirits even if you are cleared of you charges, that on average only happens about thirty years after incarceration, you will be a completely different person. They will have killed who they sent to prison. Although they most likely made the innocent man into what they convicted him for.   [ send green star]
 
anonymous Capital punishment vs. assassination November 04, 2005 10:33 AM

"Professional assassination. It's the highest form of public service. "

So I know a lot of people who believe this...had it happened to Hitler early on a lot of lives may (And I do stress may) have been saved...the same goes for many other leaders...

I myself am undecided on this although I am against the death penalty...anyone else have any thoughts on the subject....

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Anti death penalty November 05, 2005 12:58 PM

I am absolutely against the death penalty in all cases - which doesn't mean that I don't think the world would have been better off without some characters like Pol pot, Hitler, Stalin etc. The point is how do you give yourself the right to decide life and death? And I am not talking about religious reasons since I am agnostic/atheist - it is a matter of ethics.  In countries where the death penalty is still in force there have been so many miscarriages of justice where it was proved after the death of the person that he/she was innocent. if that is not reason enough to stop the death penalty, I don't know what is.  can we carry on saying - ok so 'a few' will be mistakes??? How many mistakes are acceptable?  As far as I am concerned not even ONE!  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
 November 06, 2005 7:32 PM

 

We (Mexicans) don't have "The capital Punishment"

So, i think that speaks my opinion of it. If you want to punish someone here, jail will be good enough.

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Against November 07, 2005 2:14 AM

There are always errors, and innocents are being executed.
There are always regimes who take death penalty as a welcome means to rid uncomfortable "subjects".

What if you find you were wrongly accusing someone? You cannot undo it. You cannot set him/her free and then say sorry. It's final.

I say abolish death penalty.
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 November 09, 2005 2:26 PM

Capital Punishment would work if it didn't take years (12 years or more) tocarry out. I am for one appeal to be done in 2 or 3 years.Patt  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
anonymous work? November 09, 2005 5:08 PM

Exactly what do you mean by it would work?

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 November 11, 2005 10:31 AM

I am completely opposed to the death penalty on moral and human grounds. I would love to see it abolished. Even just one innocent person being put to death is one too many.

There is absolutely no evidence that capital punishment is effective in reducing crime.

On the other hand, I have to agree with Adram that being in prison would be worse. There are no simple answers for horrific criminal behavior.
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I am with Jessie C. November 11, 2005 10:49 AM

Since we have the same outlook (agnostic) and the same concerns (ethical) I have nothing more to add.  Thanks, Jessie, for saying it for me.   [ send green star]
 
 November 11, 2005 1:43 PM

Well.what more i can say..hahah Jessie...Cheryl and Debbye..often seems be my reader mind....lol

damm...if i could to talk better in this language ...!!!lol..

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Paola November 11, 2005 1:51 PM

We understand you.......

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 November 11, 2005 1:53 PM

Paola, I think you do very well!! I have no problem understanding you.

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Against... November 11, 2005 2:07 PM

I have thought quite a bit on how to post in this topic....

I used to be a big believer in the death penalty....and eye for an eye and a great deterrent, right?

I'm a bit older and wiser now and I don't really see it that way anymore... I know that there are cases that have resulted in the innocent paying with their lives. Also, I have seen no clear evidence that shows that it is a successful deterrent for the types of crimes that warrant it.

I also feel that (provided the horrible prison systems can ever be reformed!) there are other methods that are more effective....I'll leave this point to the imagination.

On the other hand, there have been a few cases that have made my blood boil enough to wish for it....case in point is the Carr brothers. (For info on their crimes please read at http://www.wichita-massacre.com/)

The problem is I know that my wish for their death, while a normal reaction to their horrible crime, goes back to an 'eye for an eye'  and that sounds more like revenge which makes me no better...

Well, that's my 2 cents...

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 November 11, 2005 2:10 PM

You cannot currently send a star to Christi because you have done so within the last week.

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Debbye November 11, 2005 2:13 PM

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 November 11, 2005 2:13 PM

Thank you Christi and Debbye

I will read this site that you posted Christi..altohught i will read sooo slow..lol...bu ti know is interesting that.

Simon is sleeping..if not he will help me in this ...lol

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 November 11, 2005 2:14 PM

hehe!!i sent stars for you both ...lol...too  [ send green star]
 
 November 11, 2005 2:20 PM

I do have one more point......just when ya thought I was done, right?

Some criminals, like the Carr brothers, make me doubt that they can be 'rehabilitated'...at least in a traditional sense. So then the question becomes, what do we do with them? I highly doubt they will come to their senses sitting behind bars for years nor do I think it's a great idea to just give them counseling and let them go....

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anonymous  November 11, 2005 3:36 PM

Well, I actually have to answer this with a "but".

First and foremost I have recently change my view on the death penalty (or any other gruesome forms of maiming etc). I used to believe that if someone did something really horrible that they should pay for it with their own life. But then I got into a discussion recently about torture. If I believe that, even if it would benefit my own children's lives, torture is never acceptable then how can I support the death penalty??

HOWEVER

I don't think our current penal system is even close to an acceptable place to put people if we expect them to spend a large chunk of their life in there. Not only is the rape/murder/abuse rate sky high, but they don't get the rehabilitation necessary.

For instance, did you know that if you are schizophrenic and go into a violent rage and are sent to jail/prison that they will give you your meds BUT YOU CAN HAVE ZERO ACCESS TO ANY KIND OF THERAPY?? That isn't rehabilitation!

We put people in these cesspools and expect them to come out BETTER when all that is happening is we are putting their life and welfare in danger and they are learning how to be BETTER at BEING BAD.

Just my opinion, of course - but at least it was asked for this time. LOL

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 November 11, 2005 3:38 PM

No real easy answers to that Christi. Sometimes I think a private island with no way off, that is self sufficient for growing food. Other necessary supplies arrive via helicopter drop. No need for locked cells. Of course the island would need to be far enough away from other land to preclude swimming, and no materials allowed that could be used for rafts or boats.

Jeeze, that just sounds way too simplistic!!

But I don't think all can be rehabilitated. Some people just have very severe personality disorders that cannot be resolved by counseling or medication. Are some people just inherently evil? I don't know the answer to that.

Interesting topic. Maybe someone has just the perfect idea?
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 November 11, 2005 3:40 PM


Melody has received 155 new, 204 total stars from Care2 membersMelody has been awarded 183 butterflies for taking action at Care2 Melody K.
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Just my opinion, of course - but at least it was asked for this time. LOL


Melody!!

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Debbye November 11, 2005 3:44 PM

Debbye- It's funny you bring up the island idea....my hubby, Hal, says he thinks terraforming projects or something similar would be good....I'll see if I can get him to post it in a bit...

Melody- I agree, our prison system is in dire need of reform!!

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 November 11, 2005 4:05 PM

oh well...the prisson system need reform  and more more areas....starting for the governmet system....lol.....

i know you are agree!!shhhhhh

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Paola November 11, 2005 4:07 PM

YES!!!  [ send green star]
 
 November 14, 2005 3:00 PM

...i know

Some of those above (posting) really made me change some of my thoguhts..and im glad of that.

And another posts..just showed me that they are my reader mind!! haha!!

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 February 21, 2006 11:49 AM

There's a really interesting case in Saskatchewan, my home province, that should make anyone who believes in capital punishment think twice.  Years ago David Milgaard was charged with the murder of a woman and sentenced to life in prison.  He was later exonerated by DNA evidence, and I can't help but think that even one "oops" like that would be too many.  Although he was imprisoned for far too long until the evidence came to light, at least he's not dead.   [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
 March 06, 2006 12:30 PM

yeah Jody at least he is not dead...

Other people doenst have tihs lucky... one peruvian man condened to this... he had not the faulth...and the court there  condened to him to this...he is died now... and his family still doenst believe that they will not see again to their son anymore.

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 March 06, 2006 1:27 PM

I signed in this...i think we could to sign and help  Amnesty International

Take action against the death penalty

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/deathpenalty-actnow-eng

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anonymous Anti Death Penelty... April 15, 2006 8:33 PM

For the Following reasons.

1. Vengance is God's, not ours.

2. Too many innocent people executed.Even one is too many.

3.It does NOTHING to deter crime.

4. It is state sanctioned murder. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Charles

 

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 April 15, 2006 8:52 PM

im agree in some points with you Charles...but aobut Vengace God´s no..cos i dont think this word exist in his dictionary He is God , he can do anything... and he want peace  [ send green star]
 
Charles April 15, 2006 11:31 PM

agree with your last 4 reasons.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
 April 15, 2006 11:31 PM

make that reasons 2-4.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
anonymous Paola Z... April 16, 2006 10:38 AM

"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."  Romans 12:19

This is the Word. God does not want us to do his job. Yes, he is a God of Love, but he will judge those that need it.

Did'nt mean to get a Christian debate going, sorry. These are just the reasons I don't believe in the Death penelty. I know everyone has thier on reasons.

Charles

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 April 16, 2006 8:10 PM

Im agree.he will judge........ to me this word Vengance " sounds hard......  but thank you for show me that...

sometimes i think humans changed the bible in some things...

but as you said... we dont want to argue about this

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 October 28, 2006 5:58 PM

Do we want to punish people, or reform them? I say that you must choose one or the other. Punishment is not very effective. It does not address the root causes of "criminal behaviour." The criminal justice system is particularly ineffective in its use of punishment. Although punishment is not so effective, it is most effective when it is administered very close to the time of the behaviour that one wishes to stop someone doing. E.g. to stop a rapist from raping again, better to break their finger(s), attack their throat, attack their eyes, or attack their testicles or penis while they are trying to rape - not punish them several days, weeks or months later with a prison sentence, etc.. This is one of the many reasons why I recommend self-defence training so highly.

Punishment is less effective in reforming or producing behviour than reward and therapy. Punishment does not do much to stop a "criminal" from reoffending when they think they can get away with it.

It also produces fear, increasing the amount of fear in society - this is an unhealthy change. Fear is a useful emotion, as all emotions are at appropriate times, but creating fear as a motivation to prevent people harming others is not a healthy option.

More people living life based on motivations of fear is not conducive to a happy and harmonious society. A society that operates based on motivations of compassion for others - not hurting others because of our compassion - this is a healthy thing to cultivate in society. Thus, I recommend rewards (especially non-material rewards, like attention, kindness and praise) and therapy, so that we cultivate a society which is more motivated by positive feelings.

The difference between cultivating healthy and cultivating unhealthy states of mind is that they affect the person's personality in a general way. A neighbour who is psychologically healthy will be more responsible, more considerate to other people, more generous, more friendly, more happy, etc., than a person who simply avoids doing a crime out of fear (they will probably be more unhappy, resent others, dislike others, discriminate against others, etc., more).

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continued: October 29, 2006 5:28 PM

Also, when we deal with a crime in a compassionate way (reforming people by using therapy, etc.), instead of in an angry, dismissive, sadistic or hateful way (e.g. capital punishment), then it is more healthy.

(The main exception to this that I can think of, is when a person is trying to bully you, I mean at that time, anger is an appropriate emotional response to give you motivation to react appropriately to bullying [by standing up for yourself]. However, there are other motivations that can be appropriate, too, such as compassion. I mean, one can even use self-defence, and yet not be angry at the attacker - one may be able to be compassionate for them, even while defending against them.)

If we deal with life in healthy ways, then we produce healthier results: less stress, more happiness (for us and for others), more harmony with others, healthier (and thus happier) relationships, and so on....

For more information, I suggest the book "Life and How to Survive It", by John Cleese and Robin Skynner. It is a layperson's introduction to psychology, group psychology and sociology, especially about people (and families and organisations) of exceptional mental health, and how we can become like that.

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