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Ketutar J.	Page source code January 08, 2006 12:15 AM <!-- moderator options, if any --> <td class="cell_interior grModArea thBorder_bottom thBorder_left" valign="top" align="center">   <!-- make sure the cell is not empty --> </td> </tr> <tr id="post412464"> <!-- poster profile info --> <td width="100" class="cell_interior thBorder_bottom" valign="top" align="center"> <a name="412464"></a> anonymous <!--anonymous--> </td> <!-- post content --> <td class="noTheme thBorder_bottom" bgcolor="#eeeeee" valign="top"> <b>,,,,</b> <font class="txt11-vd" color="#999999" >9:02 AM</font> <br> <a name="431881"></a><a href="http://www.care2.com/c2c/people/profile.html?pid=401460388"><img src="http://dingo.care2.com/pictures/c2c/profiles/40/401/146/401460388_60.jpg" border="0" /></a><br /><a href="http://www.care2.com/c2c/my/kudos_green_stars.html?pid=401460388"><img alt="Care has received 52 new, 495 total stars from Care2 members" src="http://dingo.care2.com/c2c/star_darkgreen_10.gif" border="0" /></a> <a href="http://www.care2.com/c2c/people/profile.html?pid=401460388">Care 2.</a><br /><b>Improvements to host moderation tools</b> <font class="txt11-vd" color="#999999">Friday, 7:15 PM</font> <br /><br /><font size="2"><br />Hello,<br /><br />We understand that managing active groups can be very time consuming and are always looking for ways to make things easier and more efficient for our Group Hosts. To assist group hosts in effectively moderating their groups, we have developed an enhancement to the delete post tool. We know that sometimes threads can get far off topic, which can make if difficult for the community to effectively discuss important topics. To aid in resolving this problem, the delete tool can now be used to delete an individual post, or delete a post as well as all posts below it on the thread. When deleting everything below a post, the host must enter a description about why they have removed the posts, which will be posted at the end of the thread. We hope that you find this tool useful, stay tuned for further enhancements to group hosting tools in the near future</font> <font size=1> [<a class="noTheme" href="/c2c/groups/disc_post_report.html?gpp=7345&pst=412464&pst_head=411628&archival=">report anonymous abuse</a>]</font> </td> So, where's the poster's PID? [ send green star]
Old woman W.	January 07, 2006 10:16 AM my pleasure ElizabethGrey! [ send green star]
GODDESSDIVA D.	HAHAHAHA January 07, 2006 10:08 AM GD [ send green star]
GODDESSDIVA D.	I DID January 07, 2006 10:06 AM LMAO GIVES YA SOMTHIN TO DO ON THE WEEKENDS LMAO GD [ send green star]
Elizabeth N.	January 07, 2006 10:00 AM Thanks DebbyeGrey, I didn't know that about anon [ send green star]
Elizabeth N.	January 07, 2006 9:59 AM Carolyn - LOL - it was into the guy!!!! [ send green star]
Old woman W.	January 07, 2006 9:44 AM anon is gone! BTW.....does everyone know that you are able to determine anon by reading the page source code? It takes a bit of time, but it can be done. It shows the PID. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 9:28 AM or was it Capt. Morgan's? [report anonymous abuse]
Jacqui M.	Buck January 07, 2006 9:27 AM Does that mean I do not have to say "NO" again? was beginning to feel as if I were dealing with my grandchildren and was going to have to start 'counting' or telling them 'don't make me get up'. The matter is settled, correct? [ send green star]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 9:27 AM ASS.... right Elizabeth? LOL! you have an awesome memory.... [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 9:26 AM Thanks BucK!! [report anonymous abuse]
Elizabeth N.	January 07, 2006 9:23 AM Have fun Carolyn - don't forget, you put the aspirin in the...... [ send green star]
Elizabeth N.	January 07, 2006 9:22 AM BUCK It's about time. [ send green star]
Miss T.	January 07, 2006 9:21 AM thank you so much Buck. I think you have made a very good concious decision. This was the reason so many of us did not want that option... it can be abused easily. It took guts for you to just do it without a vote. I for one, think you are quite a stand up guy. You just topped my list of people I want to emulate when I grow up. Miss Tress [ send green star]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 9:20 AM BUCK! Really... we don't have to wait until tonight... kewl! [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	9:14 January 07, 2006 9:19 AM point proven! And with that people, I have a real life outside of Care2... and I'm going to that for the rest of today. I hope everyone gets to enjoying their day away from here as well as on here. I'll be back tonight to see the winner of the VOTE yes or no for ANON. Not that I foresee any probs. with it going out of here.... and Marty.... the answer is coming! [report anonymous abuse]
Miss T.	January 07, 2006 9:19 AM I think I know Carolyn pretty good,,,, if she has something to say, she says it.. she does not hide behind anon. Miss Tress [ send green star]
BuckMcCool B.	January 07, 2006 9:17 AM Anon is no more... [ send green star]
GODDESSDIVA D.	MT January 07, 2006 9:16 AM NO THEY WILL BE JUST AS OBNOXIOUS WITH NO ANON Miss T. 9:07 AM I am supposing that if we no longer have anon in this group, this will go away? If the anon doesn't go away, I am sure I will. Miss Tress [ send green star]
Robert T.	January 07, 2006 9:16 AM Oh crap, it was just anon J*O again. Making the case for no anons here....good work! [ send green star]
GODDESSDIVA D.	OHHHHHH January 07, 2006 9:14 AM LOOK ITS CAROLYN HMMM WONDER IF SHE IS BEING ANON SO SHE CAN ACCUSE SOMEONE OF BEING ANON CAREFUL CAROLYN YOU MAY BE APOLOGIZING AGAIN GD [ send green star]
Robert T.	January 07, 2006 9:13 AM This is scary....Care 2 got a double posting... Where do they keep them lifejackets? [ send green star]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 9:11 AM Now the real catch in all of this is to see if people really understood what I was talking about yesterday (on the true level) or on a level where they might think that I like to show my claws... and for anyone who really knows me... you would already know that I keep short nails all the time.... and the only digging I like is to be done on a man's back! [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	is it January 07, 2006 9:09 AM you carolyn????????????? [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	is it January 07, 2006 9:09 AM you carolyn????????????? [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	... January 07, 2006 9:08 AM Carolyn M. I think we know who ANON is 9:05 AM and what the purpose of this posting by ANON is... [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	... January 07, 2006 9:07 AM Carolyn M. I think we know who ANON is 9:05 AM and what the purpose of this posting by ANON is... [report anonymous abuse]
Miss T.	January 07, 2006 9:07 AM I am supposing that if we no longer have anon in this group, this will go away? If the anon doesn't go away, I am sure I will. Miss Tress [ send green star]
anonymous	I think we know who ANON is January 07, 2006 9:05 AM and what the purpose of this posting by ANON is... [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	,,,, January 07, 2006 9:03 AM Care 2. Improvements to host moderation tools Friday, 7:15 PM Hello, We understand that managing active groups can be very time consuming and are always looking for ways to make things easier and more efficient for our Group Hosts. To assist group hosts in effectively moderating their groups, we have developed an enhancement to the delete post tool. We know that sometimes threads can get far off topic, which can make if difficult for the community to effectively discuss important topics. To aid in resolving this problem, the delete tool can now be used to delete an individual post, or delete a post as well as all posts below it on the thread. When deleting everything below a post, the host must enter a description about why they have removed the posts, which will be posted at the end of the thread. We hope that you find this tool useful, stay tuned for further enhancements to group hosting tools in the near future [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	,,,, January 07, 2006 9:03 AM Care 2. Improvements to host moderation tools Friday, 7:15 PM Hello, We understand that managing active groups can be very time consuming and are always looking for ways to make things easier and more efficient for our Group Hosts. To assist group hosts in effectively moderating their groups, we have developed an enhancement to the delete post tool. We know that sometimes threads can get far off topic, which can make if difficult for the community to effectively discuss important topics. To aid in resolving this problem, the delete tool can now be used to delete an individual post, or delete a post as well as all posts below it on the thread. When deleting everything below a post, the host must enter a description about why they have removed the posts, which will be posted at the end of the thread. We hope that you find this tool useful, stay tuned for further enhancements to group hosting tools in the near future [report anonymous abuse]
Narty M.	If we're still voting on anon. January 07, 2006 9:02 AM No, again. [ send green star]
anonymous	,,,, January 07, 2006 9:02 AM Care 2. Improvements to host moderation tools Friday, 7:15 PM Hello, We understand that managing active groups can be very time consuming and are always looking for ways to make things easier and more efficient for our Group Hosts. To assist group hosts in effectively moderating their groups, we have developed an enhancement to the delete post tool. We know that sometimes threads can get far off topic, which can make if difficult for the community to effectively discuss important topics. To aid in resolving this problem, the delete tool can now be used to delete an individual post, or delete a post as well as all posts below it on the thread. When deleting everything below a post, the host must enter a description about why they have removed the posts, which will be posted at the end of the thread. We hope that you find this tool useful, stay tuned for further enhancements to group hosting tools in the near future [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	,,,, January 07, 2006 9:02 AM Care 2. Improvements to host moderation tools Friday, 7:15 PM Hello, We understand that managing active groups can be very time consuming and are always looking for ways to make things easier and more efficient for our Group Hosts. To assist group hosts in effectively moderating their groups, we have developed an enhancement to the delete post tool. We know that sometimes threads can get far off topic, which can make if difficult for the community to effectively discuss important topics. To aid in resolving this problem, the delete tool can now be used to delete an individual post, or delete a post as well as all posts below it on the thread. When deleting everything below a post, the host must enter a description about why they have removed the posts, which will be posted at the end of the thread. We hope that you find this tool useful, stay tuned for further enhancements to group hosting tools in the near future [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	tick tock ANON January 07, 2006 9:01 AM get it all in while you can... you have about 12 hours of FOOLY not folly, left.... [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	,,,, January 07, 2006 9:01 AM Care 2. Improvements to host moderation tools Friday, 7:15 PM Hello, We understand that managing active groups can be very time consuming and are always looking for ways to make things easier and more efficient for our Group Hosts. To assist group hosts in effectively moderating their groups, we have developed an enhancement to the delete post tool. We know that sometimes threads can get far off topic, which can make if difficult for the community to effectively discuss important topics. To aid in resolving this problem, the delete tool can now be used to delete an individual post, or delete a post as well as all posts below it on the thread. When deleting everything below a post, the host must enter a description about why they have removed the posts, which will be posted at the end of the thread. We hope that you find this tool useful, stay tuned for further enhancements to group hosting tools in the near future [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	,,,, January 07, 2006 9:00 AM Care 2. Improvements to host moderation tools Friday, 7:15 PM Hello, We understand that managing active groups can be very time consuming and are always looking for ways to make things easier and more efficient for our Group Hosts. To assist group hosts in effectively moderating their groups, we have developed an enhancement to the delete post tool. We know that sometimes threads can get far off topic, which can make if difficult for the community to effectively discuss important topics. To aid in resolving this problem, the delete tool can now be used to delete an individual post, or delete a post as well as all posts below it on the thread. When deleting everything below a post, the host must enter a description about why they have removed the posts, which will be posted at the end of the thread. We hope that you find this tool useful, stay tuned for further enhancements to group hosting tools in the near future [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	,,,, January 07, 2006 8:59 AM Care 2. Improvements to host moderation tools Friday, 7:15 PM Hello, We understand that managing active groups can be very time consuming and are always looking for ways to make things easier and more efficient for our Group Hosts. To assist group hosts in effectively moderating their groups, we have developed an enhancement to the delete post tool. We know that sometimes threads can get far off topic, which can make if difficult for the community to effectively discuss important topics. To aid in resolving this problem, the delete tool can now be used to delete an individual post, or delete a post as well as all posts below it on the thread. When deleting everything below a post, the host must enter a description about why they have removed the posts, which will be posted at the end of the thread. We hope that you find this tool useful, stay tuned for further enhancements to group hosting tools in the near future [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 8:59 AM [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	,,,, January 07, 2006 8:59 AM Care 2. Improvements to host moderation tools Friday, 7:15 PM Hello, We understand that managing active groups can be very time consuming and are always looking for ways to make things easier and more efficient for our Group Hosts. To assist group hosts in effectively moderating their groups, we have developed an enhancement to the delete post tool. We know that sometimes threads can get far off topic, which can make if difficult for the community to effectively discuss important topics. To aid in resolving this problem, the delete tool can now be used to delete an individual post, or delete a post as well as all posts below it on the thread. When deleting everything below a post, the host must enter a description about why they have removed the posts, which will be posted at the end of the thread. We hope that you find this tool useful, stay tuned for further enhancements to group hosting tools in the near future [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	,,,, January 07, 2006 8:59 AM Care 2. Improvements to host moderation tools Friday, 7:15 PM Hello, We understand that managing active groups can be very time consuming and are always looking for ways to make things easier and more efficient for our Group Hosts. To assist group hosts in effectively moderating their groups, we have developed an enhancement to the delete post tool. We know that sometimes threads can get far off topic, which can make if difficult for the community to effectively discuss important topics. To aid in resolving this problem, the delete tool can now be used to delete an individual post, or delete a post as well as all posts below it on the thread. When deleting everything below a post, the host must enter a description about why they have removed the posts, which will be posted at the end of the thread. We hope that you find this tool useful, stay tuned for further enhancements to group hosting tools in the near future [report anonymous abuse]
Narty M.	Carolyn... January 07, 2006 8:58 AM ...sex eh? I'm drawing a blank. [ send green star]
anonymous	think GD... you're banging your head over something that isn't going anywhere... January 07, 2006 8:56 AM [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 8:55 AM Ok, water in the form of ICE with that cherry coke? [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	OHHH YOU GONNA TELL ME WHAT I UNDERSTAND NOW? January 07, 2006 8:55 AM LMAO ElizabethGrey N. 8:46 AM You know - she apologized for exacrlt what she said. You do understand. Now let it go JUST CAN'T DO IT 8:50 AM ACCEPT A APOLOGY THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE IS APOLOGIZING ABOUT? ? ? IE(CAROLYN) GD [ send green star]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 8:54 AM Ok waters fine, but I like cherry coke better. [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	Marty January 07, 2006 8:53 AM no.... SEX was your clue... [report anonymous abuse]
Narty M.	Carolyn... January 07, 2006 8:52 AM ...what is cradle? [ send green star]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 8:51 AM everyone drinks something... water? [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 8:50 AM You mean cause I don't drink I haf to go 'way? [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	GD January 07, 2006 8:48 AM [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 8:47 AM Now I lay me down to sleep I pray the Lord my soul to keep, if I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to take. Four corners to my bed. Four Angels round my head One to watch One to Pray and Two to guide my soul away [report anonymous abuse]
Elizabeth N.	January 07, 2006 8:46 AM You know - she apologized for exacrlt what she said. You do understand. Now let it go. [ send green star]
GODDESSDIVA D.	YES I AM January 07, 2006 8:46 AM AND I CHOOSE TO NOT ACCEPT A APOLOGY I CAN'T UNDERSTAND....I MIGHT BE NOT THE BRIGHTEST START IN THE SKY...BUT I NEED TO KNOW WHAT SOMEONE IS APOLOGIZING TO ME ABOUT. GD Lady Elizabeth G. 8:41 AM Me too, Marty. I'm glad that everyone is here. But GD - no one said Carolyn was not bright. We said that she has to verbalize the way that she chooses to do it. If you think that speaks volumes, fine - that is your observation and you are entitled to it. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 8:45 AM yes Marty.... now ... Rock a bye baby on the tree top... when the wind BLOWS the _______ will ROCK. sex is your hint. [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	YES I AM January 07, 2006 8:45 AM AND I CHOOSE TO NOT ACCEPT A APOLOGY I CAN'T UNDERSTAND....I MIGHT BE NOT THE BRIGHTEST START IN THE SKY...BUT I NEED TO KNOW WHAT SOMEONE IS APOLOGIZING TO ME ABOUT. GD [ send green star]
Narty M.	Carolyn.... January 07, 2006 8:43 AM ...what is soul? [ send green star]
anonymous	Marty January 07, 2006 8:42 AM Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the gawd's my _________ to keep. [report anonymous abuse]
Elizabeth N.	January 07, 2006 8:41 AM Me too, Marty. I'm glad that everyone is here. But GD - no one said Carolyn was not bright. We said that she has to verbalize the way that she chooses to do it. If you think that speaks volumes, fine - that is your observation and you are entitled to it. [ send green star]
Narty M.	I'm sorry again Carolyn... January 07, 2006 8:39 AM The correct question for the $200 Cry Me a River answer is "What is Moon River?" I'll take Are You Experienced for $100. [ send green star]
anonymous	anon January 07, 2006 8:38 AM [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	YES DEBBYE January 07, 2006 8:36 AM PEOPLE LIKE THIS GUY WILL ALWAYS GO AGAINST THE FLOW....TAKE AWAY THE FLAG AND HE WILL SHOW YIOU ANOTHER ..THEN MORE CHAOS AND CARE2 WILL SEE HOW WE ALL HANDLE IT LOL LOL LOL THE FLAG WARS BEGIN... LIKE THIS GUY SAID THEY ARE HERE TO BAIT ALL OF US SO THEY CAN MESS WITH US... IF WE TAKE THE BAIT(COMING HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE) WE ARE THE IDIOTS.. I'M GONE AFTER I FLAG A FEW OF THEM TO BALANCE THINGS OUT GD [ send green star]
Old woman W.	January 07, 2006 8:35 AM Carolyn.....I get your point there. [ send green star]
anonymous	Marty, January 07, 2006 8:34 AM I agree - completely. SB/Dov [report anonymous abuse]
Elizabeth N.	January 07, 2006 8:33 AM I mean Lord Tickles - back as Anand Rathore [ send green star]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 8:33 AM Good Morning!! wow I see there has been some fun already [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 8:33 AM Thank you Debbye... my choice in staying here has never waivered. Without this eating popcorn and playing Jeopardy with Marty today, I'd have to be making whoopee with my husband. Now knowing what you know about him... wouldn't you pick this over that? [report anonymous abuse]
Elizabeth N.	January 07, 2006 8:32 AM Looks like LOrd Rickes has been reincarnated. Please flag the profile. [ send green star]
anonymous	... January 07, 2006 8:32 AM Carolyn M. We've formed a DISCUSSION group to talk about a TOWN HALL group Friday, 5:02 PM http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/commcircle Please join us. There's no fighting and all that crap going on there. It's civil and friendly and going real well already [report anonymous abuse]
Narty M.	Gotcha GD...so that's.... January 07, 2006 8:32 AM Me. Me. Me me me me...me me me...me, me. Me. Me. Me. Me me me me...me me me...me, me. Me. Bust balls. Ball bust. Bust bust bust bust. Balls, balls , balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. Ball bust. Bust bust bust bust. Balls, balls , balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. And while we're on the subject... Me. Me. Me me me me...me me me...me, me. Me. Me. Me. Me me me me...me me me...me, me. Me. Bust balls. Ball bust. Bust bust bust bust. Balls, balls , balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. Ball bust. Bust bust bust bust. Balls, balls , balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. _{...and have I mentioned....}_{Me. Me. Me me me me...me me me...me, me. Me. Me. Me. Me me me me...me me me...me, me. Me. Bust balls. Ball bust. Bust bust bust bust. Balls, balls , balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. Ball bust. Bust bust bust bust. Balls, balls , balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. ..but I'm sticking around.} [ send green star]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 8:32 AM You can still flag her profile - lower right corner on her profile page...easy. SB/Dov [report anonymous abuse]
Old woman W.	January 07, 2006 8:30 AM GD, absolutely nothing wrong for standing up for what you believe in! for everyone who does the same. We all choose the battles in which we choose to engage. I am glad you are still here GD, and I'm also glad LD is still here. And, may I say I'm glad that Carolyn is here, and everybody else who has joined the group. For this to be representative of the community wants and desires, we need to have as much representation as possible. [ send green star]
anonymous	Ok Marty... January 07, 2006 8:29 AM but I did get the Mark Twain one right? (give an asshole notsobright woman a chance, eh? LOL) Now it's your turn.. name your category and your poison! [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	,,, January 07, 2006 8:28 AM Call me Caring L. ALERT: CARE 2 3:30 AM ATTENTION OF CARE2 PLEASE. Meantime.... everyone..... perhaps you would `flag` AUTHOR: ANAND RATHORE male, age 25 India Add as friend Introduce yourself Invite to group See Shortest Path Write testimonial Send green star http://mail.care2.com/caremail/noframes/view/t_viewhtml.asp?SID [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 8:26 AM Kennedy resigns Guardian Unlimited - 48 minutes ago The Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy resigned this afternoon after reluctantly accepting he'd lost the support of his parliamentary party at Westminster. Mr Kennedy brought his seven year reign as Liberal ... [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE January 07, 2006 8:26 AM SO LONG AS YOU PEOPLE WHO WANT A PEACEFUL GROUP CONTINUE TO LET THE OFFENDERS OFF WITH OHHH SHES NOT TO BRIGHT SHE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO SPECIFICALLY APOLOGIZE THEN YOU WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE KINDS OF EPISODES AND MAKE NO MISTAKE I WILL STAND UP EVERY TIME! GD [ send green star]
Narty M.	I'm sorry Carolyn.... January 07, 2006 8:25 AM specifically for this. For the $100 answer the question is, "Who is Old Man River?" [ send green star]
anonymous	Marty... January 07, 2006 8:24 AM I found an old cracker jack box in the sofa here and there's a prize in it it still.... [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	YEA THIS IS OVER January 07, 2006 8:21 AM SHE WON'Y APOLOGIZE SPECIFICALLY WHICH SAYS VOLUMES.. SO FORWORD LETS SEE WHAT ELSE TAKES PLACE HERE. GD [ send green star]
Elizabeth N.	January 07, 2006 8:21 AM GD and LD: Look guys - I don't agree with what Carolyn did last night. But she apologized. She apologized the way she apologizes. Now you want her to do something that just isn't in her character - apologize for the specifics. You can't force someone to be who you want them to be. She was wrong. She apologized. Please let it go. We are not about trying to make people do everything the way we want them to be. That defeats the purpose of the group. I understand why you want the type of apology that you want. But you aren't going to get it. CArolyn has to apologize the way she apologizes. Now you 2 are calling her an ahole for what she has done. Should she expect you to apologize specifically for that in the way that she determines. The point is, when does this stop? Can we admit and accept that last night got screwed up and move on from there? Or do we have to drag this out so that nothing else can get done? Please, for the sake of getting along, let this go. I am not blaming you for anything. I say let it go and move on.** [ send green star]
GODDESSDIVA D.	BEAR AND SINCE YOU ARE SOOO ASTUTE January 07, 2006 8:19 AM WHY DON'T YOU TYPE IT UP AND HAVE HER SIGN IT LOL. TO HARD? MUST BE YOU CAME IN HERE THIS MORNING AND DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THE FLAGGING WAS OFF GD [ send green star]
GODDESSDIVA D.	NO! January 07, 2006 8:16 AM ShadowGreyBear C. GD, 8:09 AM Just an observation - Carolyn might have expressed herself in a manner not all agree with, for her own reasons, whatever they might be, but the fact remains that YOU choose to 'be baited' and you (and Lildarlin) are now the one8s) continuing to disrupt the peace - this might not be popular with you - but it is the truth. People apologize in the manner they are capable of for the reasons they are capable of conceiving of - that is not always obvious to others. Now please, will you let it go, accept the apology that was extended to you, specific or not, and be a bigger person than this - let it go. SB/Dov SHE'S NOT THAT IGNORANT AS YOU MAKE HER OUT TO BE PPPORRR THING SHE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND SHE CAN ONLY SAY THE WORD ..SHE CAN'T BE SPECIFIC ITS MUCH TO HARD FOR HER GET REAL! I WE ARE NOT GOING FOR YOUR LITTLE SOMEONE ELSE IS UPSETTING THE PEACE ..BULLSHIT BT GD [ send green star]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 8:14 AM THE DEAD SEA! that's too obvious, so I'll say the Euphrates .... oh I'll go with the first, THE DEAD SEA... that's my final answer! [report anonymous abuse]
LadyGayle B.	May I ask that we follow Charlie's suggestion... and... January 07, 2006 8:12 AM Move over to "A new day" and leave all this drama in the past... Can you all Agree to Disagree and let all group members READ what has happened and draw their own conclusions about the individuals and their actions ? for all who are working to continue adding positive suggestions.... Thanks to all, Gayle [ send green star]
GODDESSDIVA D.	marty January 07, 2006 8:11 AM WHY DON'T YOU ASK HER WHY SHE WON'T APOLOGIZE FOR THE SPECIFIC OFFENCE? AND PROMISE NEVER TO DO IT AGAIN? HUH? GD [ send green star]
Narty M.	Okay Carolyn.... January 07, 2006 8:10 AM Cry me a River for 100. He's tired of living but scared of dying. [ send green star]
anonymous	GD, January 07, 2006 8:09 AM Just an observation - Carolyn might have expressed herself in a manner not all agree with, for her own reasons, whatever they might be, but the fact remains that YOU choose to 'be baited' and you (and Lildarlin) are now the one8s) continuing to disrupt the peace - this might not be popular with you - but it is the truth. People apologize in the manner they are capable of for the reasons they are capable of conceiving of - that is not always obvious to others. Now please, will you let it go, accept the apology that was extended to you, specific or not, and be a bigger person than this - let it go. SB/Dov [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	no she didn't MARTY January 07, 2006 8:09 AM she needs to do this>> LILDARLIN L. carolyn needs to do this! 7:07 AM GODDESSDIVA D. APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT CAROLYN? Friday, 11:15 PM FOR ACCUSING MY NIECE AND I OF HAVING MULTIPLE IDS? APOLOGIZING FOR CALLING ME NAMES? AND GIVE YOUR WORD NEVER TO DO IT AGAIN? YES? NO? WHAT? GD [ send green star]
anonymous	Marty.... January 07, 2006 8:08 AM If this is JEOPARDY we're watching... I'll take CRY ME A RIVER for 100 [report anonymous abuse]
Narty M.	January 07, 2006 8:07 AM [ send green star]
Narty M.	IMHO GD.... January 07, 2006 8:06 AM ....Carolyn apologised to both you and LD so I don't get why we're even on this subject. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 8:05 AM [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	sbgc January 07, 2006 8:04 AM GD [ send green star]
GODDESSDIVA D.	MARTY January 07, 2006 8:01 AM Once again you miss the point>>>>this is not me me or ball busting.... Its for everyone! Someone has to stand up and not let this stuff happen,,,and either carolyn is adult enough to apologize specifically or she not! So far shes not, and that says she would not with other members as well... Maybe that should be what everyone has to do when they do break the peace in the group..thats assumong you all want a peaceful group According to your actions ..you seem not to want one this is what you do.. this is your entertainment You will make one of these groups every week, and you will get some poor soul like dale , buck whoever to start it , and then you will come and styart your stuff all over again. Panther started this in feedback maybe she will return to see what it has turned out to be. GD [ send green star]
Narty M.	SGBC... January 07, 2006 7:56 AM [ send green star]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 7:40 AM Marty - [report anonymous abuse]
Narty M.	January 07, 2006 7:37 AM Me. Me. Me me me me...me me me...me, me. Me. Me. Me. Me me me me...me me me...me, me. Me. Bust balls. Ball bust. Bust bust bust bust. Balls, balls , balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. Ball bust. Bust bust bust bust. Balls, balls , balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. And while we're on the subject... Me. Me. Me me me me...me me me...me, me. Me. Me. Me. Me me me me...me me me...me, me. Me. Bust balls. Ball bust. Bust bust bust bust. Balls, balls , balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. Ball bust. Bust bust bust bust. Balls, balls , balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. ...and have I mentioned.... Me. Me. Me me me me...me me me...me, me. Me. Me. Me. Me me me me...me me me...me, me. Me. Bust balls. Ball bust. Bust bust bust bust. Balls, balls , balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. Ball bust. Bust bust bust bust. Balls, balls , balls. Bust balls. Bust balls. ...or else I'll leave. [ send green star]
anonymous	by the way gang January 07, 2006 7:35 AM this is waht they do they hope what they do will just fade into endless threads %#&!*% i have to go for real no i have horses to bring in bye carilyn lildarlin [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	sooooooooooooooo January 07, 2006 7:32 AM are you apologizing for specific deeds? yes? no? Never? hmmmmmmm LilDarlin [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	sorry for what????? January 07, 2006 7:29 AM can't you be specific???? to hard for ya? whats so hard about apologizing specifically for what you have done and say you won't do it again so we all here can hold you to it , and see what you are sorry for Why is that to much to ask for? LILDARLIN [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 7:19 AM [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	LIL... stop already January 07, 2006 7:19 AM I apologized to GD because that is who I had the discussion with. Not you... but if you're wanting an apology, you have it... I'm Sorry! [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	But like GD said January 07, 2006 7:13 AM last night..if she doesn't then we see what this place is...and we will watch...people will continue to bash each other,,,then some of you who are always getting yourself in that host position will get on board, and then carolyn or someone like her will start it and then when the other person stands up for their self then yiouy will make them out to be the offender and delete them its nothing new how you all do things...And thats why a place like this will never work with all factions cause there are you big headed a hole who think your %#&!% don't stink and the little ones who do your bidding and start trouble...thats how it is ..and you will never copme together to make a group You have alread y had like 8 trys and all you did was make nitches for your selves...so have fun! LilDarlin* I have to go to work. LilDarlin [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	carolyn needs to do this! January 07, 2006 7:07 AM GODDESSDIVA D. APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT CAROLYN? Friday, 11:15 PM FOR ACCUSING MY NIECE AND I OF HAVING MULTIPLE IDS? APOLOGIZING FOR CALLING ME NAMES? AND GIVE YOUR WORD NEVER TO DO IT AGAIN? YES? NO? WHAT? GD me too i won't accept nothing less! LilDarlin [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	there charlie here is where it started January 07, 2006 7:05 AM read! LILDARLIN L. its already been proven Friday, 9:56 PM A good percentage of all these people need to be policed..They want to be policed...Chuck Should not allow any nominations to happen till this group is a week old, and while its in its infancy take away anonymous and flagging , and let these people in the first week here, Police themselves...in otherwords have SELF CONTROL to act like Respectable members of this group. If they can't make it for a week here. Then theres no sense to this....Chuck should become silent for a week. and see what happens here. Thats a challenge...Can everyone do it? Always LilDarlin [ send green star] Carolyn M. Friday, 9:59 PM nonononononono the mult. profiles from MONTANA... uh ... not a chance [report anonymous abuse]
Charlie P.	January 07, 2006 7:00 AM Lil.....I seek nothing so far as running anything. My advice however is to get over it as far as last night goes. This is another day and unless I am confused which is possible you were not part of any problems last night, so why get into it today? [ send green star]
Narty M.	Ho January 07, 2006 6:59 AM hum. [ send green star]
anonymous	CAROLYN January 07, 2006 6:59 AM You haven't apologized to me and told me you will never do it again , and like GD said be specific! LilDarlin [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	CHARLIE IS JUST ANOTHER JEFFERY OR BEAR January 07, 2006 6:57 AM ACTING LIKE HE IS ALL THAT,,,YOUR NOT ALL THAT CHARLIE,,AND IF YOU , BEAR, JEFFERY, CAROLYN OR ANY OF OTHER CO HARTS START RUNNING THIS PALCE IT WILL SUCK? CAUSE I KNOW ONCE YOU GET YOUR PUDGY LIL FINGERS ON THE DELETE BUTTON WE WON'T BE HERE . NOR WILL ANY POOR SOUL YOU DECIDE TO PICK ON! LILDARLIN [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	BEAR January 07, 2006 6:53 AM THERE IS NO FLAGGING >>>oR HAD YOU NOT NOTICED THAT.... i AM RUNNING FOR CO HOST HOW ABOUT THAT? aND lIKE I SAID I STILL NEED A APOLOGY FROM CAROLYN...SHE COULDN T BRING HERSELF TO DO THAT LAST NIGHT ..SO BEAR STOPPING TALKING YOU DON'T KNOW NOTHING... YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THERE IS NO FLAGGING MUCH LESS KNOW WHO BROKE THE PEACE LAST NIGHT,,,, LILDARLIN [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	hey BEAR January 07, 2006 6:49 AM OHHH AND CAROLYN WASN'T BEING DISRUPTIVE? sHE HASN'T APOLOGIZED TO ME! AND I WAS THE ONE SHE BROKE THE PEACE WITH.. i NOTICE YOU ALWAYS SAY THE ONE THAT WAS ATTACKED IS THE DISRUPTIVE ONE WHEN SOME A HOLE LIKE CAROLYN ATTACKS... HEY YOUR JUST A MEMBER HERE JUST LIKE ME SO DON'T ACT LIKE YOU ARE RUNNING THE SHOW HERE ...CAUSE YOUR NOT! LILDARLIN [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	hey BEAR January 07, 2006 6:48 AM OHHH AND CAROLYN WASN'T BEING DISRUPTIVE? sHE HASN'T APOLOGIZED TO ME! AND I WAS THE ONE SHE BROKE THE PEACE WITH.. i NOTICE YOU ALWAYS SAY THE ONE THAT WAS ATTACKED IS THE DISRUPTIVE ONE WHEN SOME A HOLE LIKE CAROLYN ATTACKS... HEY YOUR JUST A MEMBER HERE JUST LIKE ME SO DON'T ACT LIKE YOU ARE3 RUNNUNG THE SHOW HERE ...CAUSE YOUR NOT! LILDARLIN [report anonymous abuse]
Charlie P.	January 07, 2006 6:30 AM I loved it, made my lips pucker, hehehehe [ send green star]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 6:24 AM Knate S. 6:12 AM *OOCA: Out Of Control ASHOLE** [report anonymous abuse]
LadyGayle B.	Morning everyone... January 07, 2006 6:21 AM It is going to be a GREAT day... right?? Did anyone get sleep, and what is OOCA ?? [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 07, 2006 6:21 AM maybe we should consider instituting a naked policy for rants? Anyone can rant at anyone but only if they take all their clothes off? WOW...now there is a chill pill concept. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 6:19 AM If the host is Care2, I'm sure that they will have a say in the matter before someone gets banned. But for the majority of the process it should be the overall decision of the community and not just a host decision. This stuff being submitted here might really help those of us who host now in making changes in the places that need them in the way that we host at the present time. I think this is sooo good! [report anonymous abuse]
Charlie P.	January 07, 2006 6:16 AM cracked me up Knate, thanks for the chill pill well sure we will have bannings or deletions, for serious or repeat offenders. The ideal would be for these things to be minimal, and subject to member input, not owner or host decisions. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 6:15 AM Carolyn, I totally agree. No piddling or middling stuff. People should be free to middle and piddle. Just slam the major-major offenders, if anyone. [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 6:13 AM Deleting for really bad situations... not the piddly stuff. Block for repeated offenders who have been warned and continue to break the "rules" that are set up in the group. [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 6:12 AM *OOCA: Out Of Control ASHOLE** [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 6:11 AM Hiya Charlie [report anonymous abuse]
Charlie P.	January 07, 2006 6:10 AM Knate, I hate it when you make me feel stupid. What is an OOCA? [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 07, 2006 6:10 AM I didn't leave, I went to bed. Meanwhile, people will come and go from the group whether they unjoin or simply don't drop by. That's life and it's not really an issue. Better to go away for a bit and recompose then stay and bash away. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 6:09 AM Deleting or blocking only for OOCA's. [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 6:08 AM Good O'Morning t'y'all... [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 6:07 AM So Charlie, After all you had to say, I hope we can count on you staying with us? It sounded like you left yesterday... [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 07, 2006 6:05 AM Good morning Charlie! Good morning Destiny... thanks for coming back... Good morning SB.... you're right, flag my ass and be done with it. Good morning GD... hope you slept well. My apology remains. Making Coffee... anyone? [report anonymous abuse]
Charlie P.	January 07, 2006 5:58 AM [ send green star]
Charlie P.	Carolyn & GD January 07, 2006 5:55 AM Your names are alphabetical so get over it! This post is for both of you but also for everyone else to read. We all have 'pasts' on Care2, big fuckking deal? All of us are never going to get along ALL of the time, this is a given. There will be bashing (unfortunatly) so what? The trick is to 'get over it and move on', without holding grudges! Personally I have HUGE issues from the past re: Montana. BFD! This is now and when tomorrow comes it will be another day as well. I can easily move forward and let the past go re: Montana, and everything else. For this group to work it matters not if Carolyn or GD gets pissed off. They can unjoin, rejoin, etcetera. So should it be for any other member. If there are deletions in this group for anything other than egregious violations of TOC or COC then this group will fail, period! This proposed group should be OPEN to everyone including Donna (yes I said Donna) and anyone else who chooses to join. We will regulate ourselves or this group will fail. No one should have a louder voice than anyone else, including Buck or myself. Someone has to toggle some features on or off but otherwise this group has got to reach the point where the members input is all that controls what is what here. Some of us are not going to like what happens here from day to day, so what? The whole idea is to have a place where just about anything can happen or be discussed or posted. This morning as you all read this, including Carolyn and GD I think the best course of action is to let last night stand on it's own and move forward to see what can be accomplished TODAY. Common ground with common sense should rule the day. [ send green star]
anonymous	GD, January 07, 2006 4:53 AM Just let it go. She apologized. Let it go. Right now you ARE being the disruption we are all trying to avoid. You think Carolyn did wrong? Flag her ass for it and let i go. SB [report anonymous abuse]
Ketutar J.	January 07, 2006 1:14 AM "Well, I don't deny this as a valid scenario, but: What if we could show care2 admins that we, as a community, can come together and somewhat police ourselves? This might sway them to accept that creating a care2 hosted community site would not be as much of a burden as they orginally estimated." We have had about two years to show Care2 what we as a community do, when we come together and "police" ourselves... There really isn't anything wrong with "Town Hall" - except that people have difficulties in accepting the consequences of a member as a host. I wonder how many of those who don't trust WolfSinger as a host have tried to discuss with her about the problems. How many have brought their problems to be discussed in the group and accepted the majority's decision? I know a lot who have brought their problems to the group but not accepted any other solution, answer or decision but their own, and therefore left the group. There is really nothing wrong with Freedom Square either, or in the other places, talk of the town, community hall and what ever they are called. Except that they are owned by a member of Care2, which makes most of the other members suspicious and wary, and that makes the groups to not work, to die. It all happens too quickly, with too much frenzy. It's as if someone ( s ) tried to force forth a new group... In the end it's just one more of those member owned places where people don't dare to go because they are afraid of consequences, because they don't personally like the owner or the co-hosts, because they cannot say anything they like, because Freedom of Speech and TOS doesn't accept certain things to be said... Charlie, I don't know who posted that and where, but I'm sure no non-anonymous would have the guts to say that about Jeffrey, but we know that there are a lot of people who could have said that. Most of the people do not have the moral courage to stand for what they say. Now, because that has been said, we could have discussed what has been said instead of starting to discuss about negativity, negative impact, strifes and nastyness. What is the meaning of the group? To get the BS out of C2F&S. So - as long as we expect people to be something else than what they show they are every day in Care2, this is not going to work. We are just creating another group like those existing ones, and if that's what we are doing, we could just as well join the existing ones and try to make them work. Closed group - ABSOLUTELY NOT!! Who will be accepting the members? Who will be saying "your profile is a clone, you can't come in, you I know I cloned you, you're my friend, so you can get in". And what is the meaning of this group? Just one more "town hall"? Then go to the existing groups and try to change things that already exist. [ send green star]
Narty M.	I honestly January 07, 2006 12:04 AM have no idea what this will become. But I'm not gonna tank on it after several hours. [ send green star]
GODDESSDIVA D.	AND January 07, 2006 12:01 AM HAHAHAHAHA I CAN TURN THE CHEEK...BUT THE TROUBLE IS I ONLY HAVE TWO TO TURN LMAO.... YEA I CAN BE A DUCK..HEY ITS REALLY NOT ABOUT ME..ANYONE THAT KNOWS ME KNOWS THAT...I AM SAYING GIVE A INCH THEY WILL TAKE A MILE GIVE A MILE THEY WILL TAKE 5 MORE..WHERE DOES IT END? NOT JUST FOR ME..HEY I CAN LEAVE AND BE HAPPY ..THIS IS FOR ALL THE OTHERS THAT WILL COME HERE ON GOOD FAITH TO START NEW, AND FIND OUT ITS STILL THE SAME.... GD [ send green star]
Narty M.	Maybe GD... January 06, 2006 11:42 PM ...but maybe the community developes into one that is not necesarily the wild wild worst of F&S. But it might take time, work, and patience. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 11:40 PM Most of the time. I have my moments. GD, check your NM! [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 11:39 PM I agree with no deletions, no flagging and no anonymous. [report anonymous abuse]
Narty M.	Fukk... January 06, 2006 11:38 PM ...Chuck's tough....but I you're tougher. [ send green star]
GODDESSDIVA D.	RIGHT ON MARTY January 06, 2006 11:38 PM THE PEOPLE ARE BEING ASKED TO DEVELOP A THICKER SKIN TO WHAT? ARGUE LISTEN TO BULLSHIT ALL THE TIME? HEY IF THATS WHAT THEY WANT kool! WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE OT CLEAR THAT NO ONE WILL BE DELETED HERE EVER! NO ANONYMOUS, NO FLAGGING ... EVERYTHING IS ALLOWED... SIMPLE THOSE THAT LIKE TO BE INVOLVED WITH THAT KIND OF CHAOS WILL HAVE FUN! PEOPLE WHO DON'T WILL NOT BE HERE.. GD [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 11:38 PM [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 11:36 PM Did you know, Chuck once got shot in the head. He then proceeded to surgically remove the bullet with his beard as foreceps and then ate it because his daily iron count was low. [report anonymous abuse]
Uno D.	January 06, 2006 11:36 PM [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 11:35 PM I got an offer I couldn't refuse. Besides, Chuck would turn me into pulp. [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 11:34 PM GD, check your NM. [report anonymous abuse]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 11:34 PM Glad to see you back. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 11:33 PM I'm sorry. I'm tired and in pain. I don't generally walk out on anything. I don't take things well when I'm as run down as I am at the moment. My nerves are shot. [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	IT MEANS NOTHING January 06, 2006 11:33 PM IF YOU WON'T BE SPECIFIC.... YOU COULD BE SAYING SORRY FOR ANYTHING...BE SPECIFIC... I WON'T GET A HEAD ACHE CAUSE I AM GOING NOW..IF THAT SPECIFIC APOLOGY IS HERE TOMORROW FINE IF NOT IT ONLY SHOWS ME AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT YOU WON'T STAND UP FOR YOUR WORD...IT MEANS NOTHING IF YOU ARE NOT SPECIFIC! IF YOU REFUSE IT JUST SHOWS THAT YOU INTEND TO DO IT AGAIN , AND AGAIN AND YOU ARE NOT SORRY FOR WHAT YOU DID... YOUR JUST SORRY..AND THAT WORD GAME DON'T ROLL WITH ME! AND EVERYONE WILL SEE... GD [ send green star]
Narty M.	If this group wants a passive host January 06, 2006 11:30 PM then either people are gonna have to pussyfoot around and be extra sweet and diplomatic or develop thicker skin. If it seems like most people wanna be nice to each other, great. Right on. But unfortunately IMHO that's not always gonna happen. But if you don't like the way you feel you're being treated in a group with a host that is supposed to remain passive or you don't like the way things are being run...well it's just not an option to yell at the host and ask him/hr to take action. I also think for a group that's a couple of hours old there's not being a lot of slack given for working things out. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 11:28 PM same one and will repeat it again GD... I'm sorry. Telling me how to do it, what to do it with, when to do it will not result in anything but giving yourself a headache. It was witnessed already... now let's get on with the business at hand... developing ideas for a community group. [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	NO I DID NOT GET A APOLOGY January 06, 2006 11:25 PM IF YOU CAN'T BE SPECIFIC..IT MEANS NOTHING....BE SPECIFIC... DO THIS>>> GODDESSDIVA D. APOLOGIZE FOR THIS AND THAT YOU WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN! 11:21 PM GODDESSDIVA D. APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT CAROLYN? 11:15 PM FOR ACCUSING MY NIECE AND I OF HAVING MULTIPLE IDS? APOLOGIZING FOR CALLING ME NAMES? AND GIVE YOUR WORD NEVER TO DO IT AGAIN? YES? NO? WHAT? GD [ send green star]
Uno D.	And I don't know about anyone else ... January 06, 2006 11:25 PM But I'd really like to not kick people out of here. [ send green star]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 11:22 PM We have to give this group a chance to get started before we can start making any drastic calls. I am merely a placeholder of a group that is in place to try and get people to come together in an effort to create some unity here at care2. we all know we have differences, and we all know there are things from the past that will be hard to overcome. I have made many changes from my beginnings here at care2. If I can do it, anyone can... [ send green star]
anonymous	GD.... January 06, 2006 11:21 PM you got the apology, stop pushing.... [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	APOLOGIZE FOR THIS AND THAT YOU WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN! January 06, 2006 11:21 PM GODDESSDIVA D. APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT CAROLYN? 11:15 PM FOR ACCUSING MY NIECE AND I OF HAVING MULTIPLE IDS? APOLOGIZING FOR CALLING ME NAMES? AND GIVE YOUR WORD NEVER TO DO IT AGAIN? YES? NO? WHAT? GD [ send green star]
GODDESSDIVA D.	NO SHE DIDN'T January 06, 2006 11:20 PM SHE JUST APOLOGIZED..FOR WHAT? I DONT KNOW...LIKE I SAID GODDESSDIVA D. I WILL NOT 11:17 PM ACCEPT ANYTHING LESS THEN THAT ....HERE AND NOW IN WRITING... GD [ send green star]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 11:18 PM GD, I didn't forget my date. We went out, and ate, and had a few beers. Carolyn did apologize GD, that accounts for something. Give, and give... [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 11:17 PM Not sliding up and down a pole with you GD... you got the apology. Don't bring anyone else into this. [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	I WILL NOT January 06, 2006 11:17 PM ACCEPT ANYTHING LESS THEN THAT ....HERE AND NOW IN WRITING... GD [ send green star]
GODDESSDIVA D.	APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT CAROLYN? January 06, 2006 11:15 PM FOR ACCUSING MY NIECE AND I OF HAVING MULTIPLE IDS? APOLOGIZING FOR CALLING ME NAMES? AND GIVE YOUR WORD NEVER TO DO IT AGAIN? YES? NO? WHAT? GD [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 11:14 PM You got the apology GD... if you can't accept it, then we'll see you elsewhere! I'm not leaving... I spent a lot of time talking to people to get them to come here. [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	BUCK THEN January 06, 2006 11:11 PM WELL I'M NOT CONVINCED...BUCK HAS NO HEART TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WHEN SOMEONE BREAKS THE PEACE. HE ALSO FORGOT HIS DATE TO BE HERE...SOOOOOO CREDIBILITY IS NOT GOING SOOO GOOD HERE..iF BUCK CANNOT STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND DELETE PEOPLE LIKE CAROLYN...WITH SWIFT ACTION ..THEN THIS DISCUSSION GROUP HAS NO CHANCE OF MOVING FORWORD TO THE NEXT STAGES..ITS JUST ANOTHER FAILURE..IF HE ALLOWS THIS CAROLYN TO REMAIN HERE.. IF HE DOES..THEN HE WILL ALLOW ALL THE OTHER TROUBLE MAKERS TO SATY HERE AND FOR WHAT? TO COME HERE AND BASH EACH OTHER? JUST WHAT I SAID WHEN THIS CONVERSATION STARTED IN FEEDBACK... NOTHING IS NEW HERE ...SO NOTHING WILL BE NEW IN THE GROUP WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSING HERE. UNLESS ALL THE MAJORITY WANTS IS ANOTHER PLACE TO HAVE FUN DISSING EACH OTHER AND CALLING EACH OTHER NAMES GD GOODNIGHT! AND BYE! GD [ send green star]
anonymous	Marty! January 06, 2006 11:10 PM [report anonymous abuse]
Narty M.	Carolyn? January 06, 2006 11:09 PM [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 11:06 PM np Debbye... np [report anonymous abuse]
Old woman W.	January 06, 2006 11:05 PM Carolyn!! [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 11:02 PM I apologize to GD... [ I've been here all night holding bits and pieces together when people were not wanting to come here. Gawd knows I'm not leaving now... ] [report anonymous abuse]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 10:59 PM Sometimes we cannot choose our neighbors, but we must all live together. We can make this work, with some compromise. Maybe some apologies as well... [ send green star]
OleGreyMike K.	January 06, 2006 10:59 PM a chill groove ? Is that anything like an etched ice cube ? [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:59 PM I'm staying.... I don't care who holds the Chuck Decoder Ring... [report anonymous abuse]
Narty M.	I'm not leaving... January 06, 2006 10:58 PM ...there's bound to be a little friction here and there. Let's see if we can't hang together a bit and let people find a chill groove. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:57 PM who the phuck is chuck? [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	Whack me good Buck... January 06, 2006 10:56 PM because I'm obviously going down for Destiny's leaving... she said so herself. [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	GOOD BYE NOW CAROLYN January 06, 2006 10:54 PM IF CHUCK HAS ANY KIND OF HEART YOU WILL BE GONE BY TOMORROW! GD [ send green star]
GODDESSDIVA D.	GOOD BYE NOW CAROLYN January 06, 2006 10:54 PM IF CHUCK HAS ANY KIND OF HEART YOU WILL BE GONE BY TOPMORROW! GD [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:54 PM Bye Destiny... I'm soooo glad you were so explaining of this when you got past the mult. ID crap. Leaving because of me? You give me too much credit for that move. [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	NO THEY WILL LEAVE January 06, 2006 10:52 PM BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO BREAK THE PEACE HERE BY MAKING FALSE ACCUSATIONS , AND CALLING ME NAMES! GD [ send green star]
OleGreyMike K.	January 06, 2006 10:52 PM >>> Turn a new leaf? >>> both sides of a dead leaf are still dead. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:52 PM WE get along? I get along with the we thing. What I don't get along with is the mult. ID thing. I didn't smoke a peace pipe with anyone. I wasn't in on the discussion of you and GD making up. I'm stating the facts, not starting any problems. No mult. ID's... no mult. voting. That's all. [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:50 PM It's not multiple crap, and I am leaving. It's because of you, Carolyn, no one else. I'm sick of this %#&!*%. That's not why I joined. [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:49 PM Carolyn, it would be a good point if LD and GD were two people, but I know for a fact they're not. I thought so at one point and I've since learned I was wrong. Everyone should have the opportunity to be heard and the past should be that, the past. I'd say the same to anyone, even the ones who've insulted me the most. Why can't we just get along. [report anonymous abuse]
Cheryl G.	No anonynous postings January 06, 2006 10:49 PM I think anonymous postings is a "cheap" and "round about" way to say something. I personally feel that if a person is not willing to post their profile, etc., WE DON'T NEED THEM HERE. I further suggest that we keep this group seperate from C2C leadership until we get up and rolling the way we want. Then, maybe invite them to share their thoughts. Next, this needs to be a group that is "closed membership". Wait, let me explain.... I have looked at some people's profiles and the list of groups goes on and on and on. When you spread yourself too thin, how can you be effective? In the group I host, it is closed membership with a two question application: 1) Are you sincere about joining and why? 2) If you need to be away from the group, do you promise to contact the "host" either by direct email through group posting? I have 31 members in my group and only two applicants have a turned down. I won't go into that now. Thanks for listening. Cheryl G. [ send green star]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 10:49 PM This will pass. Turn a new leaf? Please... [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:48 PM If people leave GD, it will be because of your incessant yelling. I didn't break a vow I didn't take, I didn't get into all of the non-peace problems that existed... so don't bring me into that stuff now when it suits the suitor. All people will have one vote. The multiple crap is OUT. [report anonymous abuse]
Old woman W.	January 06, 2006 10:48 PM As someone just said to me in a personal message, if we can't work things out on a website, what hope is there for the world. GD has been pleasant, nice, cooperative, offering her opinions. She did not sling the first arrow. It should stop now. As Des said, this is supposed to be a new beginning. [ send green star]
GODDESSDIVA D.	INFACT ALOT OF US ARE NOW GOING TO LEAVE January 06, 2006 10:46 PM BECAUSE YOU! CAROLYN! YOU BROKE THE PEACE HERE!. THANK YOU DESTINY.... ALOT OF PEOPLE CAME HERE ON GOOD FAITH THAT THIS KIND OF THING WAS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ..... THANKS ALOT CAROLYN..... GD [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:44 PM no... it's a good point I brought up. [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	YOU CHILL CAROLYN January 06, 2006 10:42 PM YOU BTROKE THE PEACE WITH YOUR ALEGATIONS AND ACCUSATIONS , AND CALLING ME NAMES! YOU CHILL! GD [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:42 PM Oh for gawd's sake people... get pissed at me... ok? I can handle it. I'll also be there to wipe butts for people who can't handle the outcome of votes! [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:41 PM GD... don't be such a sorehead... no one wants to see your little Montana group break up... we just want assurance that the votes will be fair..... deal? DEAL! [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:41 PM If insults are gonna fly I'm outta here. GD's right, she came here in good faith and wasn't insulting anyone. This is bullshit. I thought this was supposed to be a new beginning. Now, I'm pissed. [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	DEBBYE January 06, 2006 10:40 PM WHO JUST BROKE THE PEACE HERE? HUH? NOT ME..... lET IT BE NOTED BY ALL HERE NOW , TOMORROW AND ALL THROUGH THIS PROCESS SHE (CAROLYN ) BROKE THE PEACE! GD [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:38 PM Stop GD... stop I didn't vow to anything... ok? I don't know where you saw my name on a dotted line... I wasn't making pledges... so chillllllll Want some popcorn GD? [report anonymous abuse]
Annie C.	January 06, 2006 10:38 PM I'm losing confidence now. As Charlie said, what's the diff between already eliminating flagging , which didn't get the opportunity for this kind of 'almost unanimous' vote? I don't have any experience with, or opinion about your flexibility Buck, but Elizabeth has expressed my thoughts/concern/confusion quite well. I just hope we are not going to debate about how we will do things here until we all get burned out and move on. Believe me I've been on committees where that's just what happened. We want to make good choices but do want to do it, not just keep talking about it. I'll hang in for a while and I thank you all for caring to make this happen. Goodnight all, pleasant dreams [ send green star]
Narty M.	Bellhop. January 06, 2006 10:37 PM Can i check anybody's baggage? [ send green star]
GODDESSDIVA D.	SOOOOO HOW LONG BEFORE January 06, 2006 10:37 PM CAROLYN AND OTHERS LIKE HERE ARE ALLOWED TO BASH OTHER PEOPLE COMING HERE IN GOOD FAITH? YOUR LUCKY ITS CHUCK HERE CARO;YN CAUSE IF IT WAS ME YOU WOULD BE ELIMINATED NOW! GD YOU BROKE THE PEACE SO YOU SHOULD NOT BE HERE! GD [ send green star]
Uno D.	Good night, Mouse ... January 06, 2006 10:36 PM Sweet dreams ... [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:35 PM goodnight Mouse goodnight House [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:35 PM I'm very disappointed in this turn of events. I think I'm gonna go to bed. [report anonymous abuse]
Old woman W.	January 06, 2006 10:34 PM Actually Carolyn, they have been very nice lately. And I also thought the point was for every one to work at getting along. I know Des made her peace with them, and she had been extremely angry for some time. Is it more important to fan the flames of anger or is it more important to fan the flames of friendship and cooperation? [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:34 PM [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	SHOW PROOF ! January 06, 2006 10:34 PM OF YOUR ALEGATIONS AND ACCUSATIONS NOW OR SHUT THE F K UP CAROLYN! GD [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:33 PM anyway.... this voting thing will happen in a booth? Complete with ID checks? [report anonymous abuse]
Uno D.	Do we have to do this? January 06, 2006 10:33 PM Fuk. [ send green star]
Elizabeth N.	January 06, 2006 10:32 PM Mouse - we must have all been having the same dream for a short while. [ send green star]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 10:32 PM Play nice... [ send green star]
Uno D.	I thought so too, Mousie ... January 06, 2006 10:32 PM [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:32 PM personal is a one to one thing... we're talking mob mentality with Montana [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	IS SHE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO ATTACK January 06, 2006 10:31 PM OTHER MEMBERS WHO HAVE COME HERE IN GOOD FAITH? AND YES CAROLYN YOU SAID WE CANNOT MOVE FORWORD IF WE DO NOT LET THE PAST GO....!!! THIS IS SAD THAT YOU HAVE DONE THIS...YOU APPARENTLY DON'T WANT THIS TO WORK SINCE YOU JUST SATRTED THIS BASHING ME AND CALLING ME NAMES! GD Carolyn M. 10:24 PM hold on batshytchick... [ send green star]
anonymous	you know.... January 06, 2006 10:31 PM working together to make a nicer care2? [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	um, January 06, 2006 10:30 PM I thought the point of this group was to get along and set aside our personal differences? [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:30 PM Montana... This is not a group vote. I'm the ANONeliminator... knowing your Montana 20something roles all too well. Buck may be too nice to realize what potential lethal fumes you all breathe there... [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	SOOOO CHUCK THIS MAY BE YOUR FIRST TEST January 06, 2006 10:28 PM AND THE GROUPS FIRST TEST! IS THE GROUP AS A WHOLE GOING TO ALLOW THIS KIND OF STUFF CAROLYN HAS NOW CHOSEN TO DO ? GD [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:28 PM take it to the back, Montana... all of you line up there and be accounted for the ONE vote you should have! [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	AS FOR YOU CAROLYN January 06, 2006 10:26 PM WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS PERSONALITY CHUCK? HMMMMMM? GD [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:24 PM hold on batshytchick... I never promised you anything... never said any of that. You have me confused with PANTHER. She made those promises... [report anonymous abuse]
GODDESSDIVA D.	CAROLYN! WHAT ARE YOU DOING? January 06, 2006 10:22 PM IN THE BEGINNING WHEN WE WERE ALL FORMING THIS..YOU WERE ONE THAT SAID NONE OF THIS NAME CALLING , NO ACCUSATIONS! WHAT ARE YOU DOING? THIS IS THE VERY THING WE ALL DISCUSSED WHEN FIRST STARTING THIS DISCUSSION GROUP..... THIS IS NOT GOING TO WORK IF YOU START THIS NOW! iTS ONLY ABOUT 4HRS OLD AND ALREADY YOU HAVE BROKE YOUR WORD TO NOT DO THIS! THATS BULLSHIT WHAT YOU JUST DID! GD Carolyn M. 9:59 PM nonononononono the mult. profiles from MONTANA... uh ... not a chance [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:21 PM Marty [report anonymous abuse]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 10:20 PM I think we are all hoping people will show up. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:20 PM whose 8am is that? I hope you realize that people here on the GOOD COAST... sleep in on Saturdays! [report anonymous abuse]
Narty M.	Carolyn, I brought popcorn to the spanking thread. January 06, 2006 10:20 PM CU there? [ send green star]
Narty M.	Expecting people to show up? January 06, 2006 10:19 PM Alrighty then. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:15 PM Buck.... there's an NM waiting for you and waiting.... the group is adhering to the clothes off policy... but this ANON. thing... really seems to be getting to them [report anonymous abuse]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 10:14 PM I hope know one leaves over this. We will open the vote tomorrow at 8:00 AM [ send green star]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 10:11 PM We should allow people to show up. That is the decision that should be made, not anything about whether anon should be there or not. It is about letting people show up. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:10 PM and the hours go on and more join who haven't voted... and the Montana 20something could really swing the vote, they like ANON. posting.... that's how it all started out for them on Care2. [report anonymous abuse]
Uno D.	Come on, guys ... January 06, 2006 10:09 PM Let's just give it a chance before everyone gets all , okay? [ send green star]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 10:09 PM I think the poll idea has merit. We can have that, and the votes. Or we can vote, then have the poll, and only if the poll ever went in favor of anon would we ever have to vote agin. The only thing I could see happening is poll making alternate identities to vote for it. I think they would have to make quite a lot for it though, I think there is a huge majority against it. [ send green star]
Elizabeth N.	January 06, 2006 10:08 PM Carolyn M. 10:05 PM The Montana mult. profiles need to be discussed.... how many are allowed to vote? which ones will be taken seriously? which ones will not? Just the 3rd one from the right [ send green star]
Old woman W.	January 06, 2006 10:08 PM hmm, so 40 some posts in vain...whatever. [ send green star]
Elizabeth N.	January 06, 2006 10:06 PM Buck, my concern is that you are making a personal decision in the face of overwhelming evidence that people want this anon turned off. So much for passivity. I do think you are in a bit of a funky position right now, I must admit. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:05 PM The Montana mult. profiles need to be discussed.... how many are allowed to vote? which ones will be taken seriously? which ones will not? [report anonymous abuse]
Uno D.	Good night, Cubby ... January 06, 2006 10:04 PM [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 10:04 PM I am off to bed - Nite, nite! SB [report anonymous abuse]
Uno D.	January 06, 2006 10:02 PM [ send green star]
anonymous	Buck January 06, 2006 10:02 PM Would you consider using my idea above, maybe even after the voting tomorrow? [report anonymous abuse]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 10:01 PM No host bias at all. I have stated that I also would vote against the anon function. It is a new group/idea that intends to serve a lot of people here at care2. The decision I am making is not really about the anon function, it is about letting people show up before we do any voting. How about voting starts tomorrow at 8:00 AM, then the results are taken at 2:00 PM. Is that acceptable? [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 9:59 PM nonononononono the mult. profiles from MONTANA... uh ... not a chance [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	its already been proven January 06, 2006 9:56 PM A good percentage of all these people need to be policed..They want to be policed...Chuck Should not allow any nominations to happen till this group is a week old, and while its in its infancy take away anonymous and flagging , and let these people in the first week here, Police themselves...in otherwords have SELF CONTROL to act like Respectable members of this group. If they can't make it for a week here. Then theres no sense to this....Chuck should become silent for a week. and see what happens here. Thats a challenge...Can everyone do it? Always LilDarlin [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 9:55 PM Buck... tell us what Clinton told the nation "phuck off my fellow Americans!" [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 9:53 PM Buck, you are doing fine - just breathe. SB/Dov [report anonymous abuse]
NotBijou G.	January 06, 2006 9:52 PM You cannot currently send a star to Mouse because you have done so within the last week. [ send green star]
Elizabeth N.	January 06, 2006 9:52 PM This is kind of weird. There is a dynamic going on here that is distincly uncomfortable. Two opposing views, and each is determined to stick where they are. I thought we were trying to avoid this, and I think we are being treated to an example of why we wanted a Care2-run group. Buck thinks that we should wait for more people, although there isn't any particular reason why, except that he feels we should wait until we have more people. But, this is becoming about what Buck as host wants to do, or thinks we should do, when the majority have clearly declared a consensus of turn off the anon. The idea is to avoid host bias, host opinions. The hosts should be pretty neutral - which is not what we have. The issue itself is not such a big concern, because anon can be turned off later (altho I prefer it now, because we have clearly voted no). The real issue is the one of the process. We have, I think, decided on a fairly clear mandate of minimal hosting with well established rules decided by the majority. Well, we have a majority vote, and yet the host is making a decision as an individual because that is what he wants to see happen. This is the antithesis of what we all said we wanted. And yet, because he is the host, he can hold us all hostage to his decision. Wrong dynamic. This is no criticism of Buck's decision - he is doing what he thinks is right, and that is the problem. If this is a precursor of what will happen when the group starts, the group will never function as we wanted it to. We had decided, I think, that it should not be about the hosts' personal likes and dislikes. Oh well...... PLease don't take this as a personal attack on Buck. I like Buck just fine. I just think this shows us why this is a problematic thng to attempt to do. Elizabeth N [ send green star]
anonymous	Mouse, excellent suggestion January 06, 2006 9:52 PM [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 9:51 PM Buck.... Some people have bad breath... we can lead them to toothpaste, but we can't make them brush! [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	May I please make a suggestion? January 06, 2006 9:50 PM I would like to suggest what seems to me to be a very easy solution to this anon or no-anon problem. Why not open a poll specifically for this groups members, just a simple yes or no on whether or not we should keep the option in the group. It would be a continuous poll that the newbies could consistently take when they join us and that way we would know what the popular opinion always is. This way, whoever is in charge can turn the option on or off, whichever way the vote sways. Make sense? [report anonymous abuse]
OleGreyMike K.	January 06, 2006 9:49 PM gravity will pull all things to the bottom of the barrel eventually anyway. [ send green star]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 9:47 PM I do not want to do as "I wish" here. I want to be as neutral as possible in the development of group. I do have my opinions on certain matters though, but I will reserve those for when we all vote for them. We should allow people to show up is all. That is fair. [ send green star]
OleGreyMike K.	January 06, 2006 9:46 PM all things move toward randomness and decay.... [ send green star]
NotBijou G.	January 06, 2006 9:45 PM Whew! OK now ... on the count of 3 Everyone Breath Have you ever noticed how things seem to usually resolve themselves quite nicely when given enough time? Ommm. [ send green star]
OleGreyMike K.	January 06, 2006 9:42 PM But do as you wish...or in this case, don't do. Inaction is the safe choice if not the right one. [ send green star]
OleGreyMike K.	January 06, 2006 9:40 PM Turning it off now does not "set it in stone" but it does eliminate the problems that have already begun. [ send green star]
anonymous	Uno... January 06, 2006 9:38 PM Blffffffft!!!! me not speak english so good.... SB [report anonymous abuse]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 9:38 PM My personal opinion is anon posting is weak, and serves nothing but to agitate. Thatis my opinion and seemingly the majority at this point. Let us just ignore them for the time being. I am confident the consensus will be for it to be eliminated, which I have no problems with, and even if I did, it would be what the group voted for so it would be that way regardless. [ send green star]
Old woman W.	January 06, 2006 9:36 PM mambers are related to mammary glands I think So sure, the anons haven't been plentiful...but I have to agree with Charlie on this. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 9:35 PM Thank you SB... I like being the ANONeliminator... up and in its face. LOL! So keep it for 23 more hours.... not 24 though,.. kewl? [report anonymous abuse]
Uno D.	January 06, 2006 9:34 PM [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 9:34 PM why is flagging off? same issue! wait would it hurt to turn it off since al but one said they were opposed to it? [ send green star]
anonymous	While I agree with Charlie, January 06, 2006 9:33 PM that the Anon Option has to be disabled, I also realize that this Group is still forming, and considering it's purpose, the turn-out in terms of mambers is likely to increase dramatically within the next 48 hours - because of the time-zones - so to let the anon feature stay enabled until all who have invitations to reply to actually have had a chance to do so, and let them vote before deciding is acceptable. Enough people are around here right now to be able to take care of one or two Anons on a filth-spree. SB [report anonymous abuse]
Narty M.	Seems like the anon-dickheadedness January 06, 2006 9:32 PM has calmed down for the moment. If there was more of it right now I might be in a bigger rush to turn off the anon option. [ send green star]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 9:32 PM I read the thread, and that is why I am certain it will be voted against. I simply ask why it is such a problem to wait a little bit. We are only talking about 12 hours here. I was thinking 24 hours before any rules were set in stone. Is that not acceptable? [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 9:29 PM no i do not agree, but i am one voice, u have 50 some other voices who already said NO [ send green star]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 9:28 PM I think I would be acting like more of an "owner" if I did that though Charlie. This is the dilemma. The right thing to do is wait a little bit... Do you not agree... [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 9:28 PM Gawd bless you Buck and everything you have to do from keeping from spitting back at some here. I'm one, but for me, I think tomorrow night is a good holding pattern on it. If it's meant to be, it will be tomorrow night as good as tonight. [report anonymous abuse]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 9:27 PM taking your point Buck, what's the harm in turning it off now? who gets hurt, the jerks who come in hiding behind anon and ripping into people? it can always be turned back on. count the votes in the thread in here, i did, it was overwhelming! [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 9:26 PM Charlie, call me. [report anonymous abuse]
Uno D.	Please stay, Charlie ... January 06, 2006 9:25 PM It looked like it would be turned off probably tomorrow or Sunday. [ send green star]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 9:24 PM "You are acting like an owner! The vote of those who were here said NO to anon, period. You are supposed to be a facillitator, not an owner! This group and the idea itself is in peril if you don't get this right, asap!" I am not acting like an owner, I am just allowing more people to show up before we vote. Can we not wait until tomorrow evening? I am sure the no anon vote will win, but is it wrong to wait for more to arrive? [ send green star]
Old woman W.	January 06, 2006 9:24 PM Buck B. 5:03 PM We do not have enough of a variety in here to have this vote yet. As someone mentioned in another thread, right now we are mostly familiar with each other. I say we wait and see if others will gravitate to this group in an attempt to actually make something happen. You can hold the vote though. I will just not act upon it with less than 30 people in the group at this time... We are over 30 people, the vote so far is overwhelming. Anon should be turned off for now. It can be voted on at another time if this group grows and the consensus changes. [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 9:23 PM there was a rush to get this happening which I said what I had to say about it. Either way the whole concept was a passive owner, and in this case there was a vote. it was almost 100% againt anon. I am asking buck to do what he said, no more and no less. I am not pissed at anyone. anon is looking for trouble, I know it and so does everyone else with half a brain. [ send green star]
Uno D.	Sorry, Elizabeth ... January 06, 2006 9:23 PM I misunderstood [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 9:20 PM Ok Charlie... but can you back off in telling him how to do his lead here? It's only been hours since this came to fruition... you were pissed when you came here and it seems like you can't let up on the guy. Give him a chance. He's was gone half the night and is just asking questions. [report anonymous abuse]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 9:17 PM Very simple Carolyn. If this group or it's successor group has the anon feature I will not be a part of the group. If Buck doesn't run THIS group passivly I will leave it as well. There was a thread about anon and the vote that was taken was overwhelmingly NO. [ send green star]
OleGreyMike K.	January 06, 2006 9:16 PM Have you seen the book The Velveteen Principles ? Great book ! [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 9:15 PM So you're gone and then what? I don't get it... you think Anon. will be here?? Please repeat that Charlie, I'm sorry to ask. [report anonymous abuse]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 9:14 PM cute lil bunny.............. [ send green star]
Elizabeth N.	January 06, 2006 9:14 PM I totally agree with Charlie. The majority voted anon out. Buck - please do this passively. You are a facilitator here, not an owner. [ send green star]
Jeannine C.	January 06, 2006 9:12 PM I was Velveteen. Now I'm real. [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 9:11 PM for the time being the vote has been taken and it's overwhelming, no was the outcome. if 200 more people join and want another vote and want to have anon it's ok with me, i'll be gone but anon will be the rule. [ send green star]
Narty M.	In the unlikely January 06, 2006 9:10 PM event that I am shanghaied into hosting this dive for a week I solemnly vow to do even less than the usual minimal diddlysquat that I do in my other so-called groups. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 9:09 PM for shyt's sake... Buck isn't saying anything another facilitator might say to us... grow the group and take the vote. Pure and simple. [report anonymous abuse]
OleGreyMike K.	January 06, 2006 9:08 PM You're not Velveteen are you ? [ send green star]
Elizabeth N.	January 06, 2006 9:08 PM Uno - I know what you were saying - but you were obviously joking with your comments about host duties, and I took it to the next step....I thought what you said was funny... [ send green star]
Jeannine C.	January 06, 2006 9:07 PM Rabbits are always semi-anonymous. We're a little skittish. Anonymous posters seem to be very rude, as a rule. [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 9:07 PM bump [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 9:05 PM I will not stay if anon stays and I will not stay unless the owner is passive, not active. This is not starting out well in my opinion despite all good intentions! [ send green star]
OleGreyMike K.	January 06, 2006 9:04 PM Peaked and coasting already ? [ send green star]
Uno D.	Please stay, Charlie ... January 06, 2006 9:04 PM [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 9:03 PM I agree with Charlie. [report anonymous abuse]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 9:02 PM Buck You are acting like an owner! The vote of those who were here said NO to anon, period. You are supposed to be a facillitator, not an owner! This group and the idea itself is in peril if you don't get this right, asap! Meanwhile I will stay away until this is resolved and the 'owner' mentality disappears, completely! [ send green star]
LadyGayle B.	There is a Host topic running in tandem with this one January 06, 2006 9:02 PM Great minds are running in parallel on the other thread [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 9:02 PM Kidnapped and forced into service on a war/battle ship or merchant - got it's name because it was the way to get a crew on-board when you were in Shanghai. [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 9:01 PM Sounds good Buck! Thanks for hanging tough with this small group of 58... I think it's a great start to a promising bigger group. [report anonymous abuse]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 9:00 PM That could easily be solved, If the new host could not do the duties then it could run on its own, or the previous or the next in line would take it... [ send green star]
Uno D.	I mean ... January 06, 2006 8:59 PM Shanghaiing ... I don't even know that Shanhaiing means ... [ send green star]
Uno D.	I think a good Shanhaiing is always in order. January 06, 2006 8:58 PM I'm good with that plan, Buck [ send green star]
Narty M.	Will elected hosts January 06, 2006 8:57 PM have any say about whether they want to host or not or will they be shanghaied if chosen? [ send green star]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 8:56 PM For the ones opposed to the anon feature: I understand, I have had the same outlook before. For now though, with the intentions of having a community site, 56 members is not enough to determine whether this is the consensus or not. I suggest this: Tomorrow or sunday, we setup up a vote for anon feature. The outcome of this vote will be good for 1 week. After the one week we can setup up a vote again, and determine if it will be permanent or another set period of time. This will allow for other members to join. and know that this is not a permanent decision. This must be a desicion that the majority of the group makes. "If a member can't put their profile with their words those words are unimportant to me and they should be to everyone else" If this is the case then it should be easy to ignore. I would also ask the anon posters, please respect the anon feature, it should not be your ticket to berate people. If youhave a strong opinion then fine, but if you are using just to agitate, then you are no good to this plan. If you do not wish to be a part of the community then you can ignore it. There are enough people here who wish to have somthing like this, so please let us try. Sound ok? [ send green star]
LadyGayle B.	Agreed... January 06, 2006 8:56 PM That is a good example, Charlie... Hello, Debbyie (sorry if I spelled that wrong) [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 8:54 PM anonymous NO TO JEFFERY! 6:19 PM FACE IT THIS GUY IS A REAL NO NO , AND A LOSER WHY WOULD WE WANT HIM AS A HOST? WHO GIVES A RATS A$$? This is what I do not want and it alone will be a reason I do not stay around if it persists. [ send green star]
LadyGayle B.	Wow... third time is the charm ??? January 06, 2006 8:53 PM I do NOT like ANON in a group like this... as I said in another post - somewhere here- it is like sitting outside the circle with a mask on. The internet is already "impersonal" this group should show us as we really are, warts, knickers, snickers and all [ send green star]
Old woman W.	January 06, 2006 8:51 PM yep [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 8:50 PM if there is anon posting we may as well change the name of the group to the tower of babel. [ send green star]
OleGreyMike K.	January 06, 2006 8:50 PM fear ? [ send green star]
LadyGayle B.	Uno... January 06, 2006 8:49 PM That is both fun and informative. It lets us really get to know one another much better !! Charlie, Elizabeth ... weren't you just around here somewhere?? [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 8:49 PM yet there it is, anon right here and right now. like I said earlier, we can take our time to do this right. the vote such as it was strongly favored NO anon yet it's here, why? [ send green star]
OleGreyMike K.	January 06, 2006 8:49 PM Well, it is a good idea to "start well" anyway. Why does it feel "rushed" to have a good start? [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 8:47 PM For the record. I will not belong to any group like what is proposed if there is an anon feature. I second that [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 8:47 PM Yes... we all were pretty much in unison about the no Anon. thing. Maybe you have a different time line involved in who/when we should be voting about the anon. feature? [report anonymous abuse]
Uno D.	Actually, Elizabeth ... January 06, 2006 8:47 PM the main reason I want a community gathering place is for there to be NO host - except Care2, that is. In this group, I thought it might be fun to see how different people handle a week-long hosting assignment. See how creative they were, how bossy ... that sort of thing. But I think that was only my vision, so ... [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 8:47 PM bump [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 8:46 PM once again, the haste is not going to achieve what any of us seek and I fear yet another failure. (I'm talking to myself) everyone is in such a hurry and the cakes not baked yet. [ send green star]
LadyGayle B.	I voted NO to Anon... January 06, 2006 8:46 PM See the first thread... If everyone on the East coast is flaking out to sleep, guess I will to... but first to read [ send green star]
OleGreyMike K.	January 06, 2006 8:45 PM I agree CP., if it is still here in the morning, I may be gone. [ send green star]
Elizabeth N.	January 06, 2006 8:44 PM Can we please make sure that we arrive at some kind of consensus of what the hosts will do, how they will do it, what they can't do, and some pretty strict guidelines for host behavior before we open up the new board. Let'snot forget that the hosting presence is the MAJOR reason why most of us wanted a Care2-sponsored group. Let's not slack off on this, please. [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 8:44 PM For the record. I will not belong to any group like what is proposed if there is an anon feature. [ send green star]
OleGreyMike K.	January 06, 2006 8:43 PM one vote eh ? that would be our Anon ? [ send green star]
OleGreyMike K.	January 06, 2006 8:43 PM And if the tide should turn, it can always be returned (not that I think it should be). [ send green star]
Old woman W.	January 06, 2006 8:42 PM Up to 57 members already. I think there was one vote to keep anon. [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 8:42 PM bump [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 8:39 PM You can do it Buck, the vote was overwhelming against it. [ send green star]
Charlie P.	January 06, 2006 8:38 PM I have read everything posted and I have several comments and then to bed I go. Anon should NOT be allowed for any reason. If a member can't put their profile with their words those words are unimportant to me and they should be to everyone else. Mischief is all we will get and that will be prevalent enough as it is. Hosting should be revolved and these hosts should do as little as possible other then to be a presence. Deletions should be minimal at most except for obvious violations of TOC & COC, etc. No flagging, ever. Bannning should be by formal vote, taken by the members, over a minimum of 48 hours so a cooling off period can weed out knee jerk reactions to any unpleasantness. I apologize for not joining in earlier but real world things took precedence. [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 8:38 PM sounds like a great plan! The people knew what they were doing when we suggested you to be the host here... I like your style! [report anonymous abuse]
Uno D.	How come? January 06, 2006 8:38 PM [ send green star]
BuckMcCool B.	January 06, 2006 8:36 PM I can't do that yet... [ send green star]
anonymous	January 06, 2006 8:35 PM Turn off the anon before you go! [report anonymous abuse]
BuckMcCool B.	3rd observation January 06, 2006 8:31 PM 3rd observation... 8:21 PM I know it has only been a few hours since this group was started. I have been reading some of the posts and I have seen the concerns that people are showing. There is a clear dilema that has presented itself: ---Do the people of care2 take it upon themselves to create a sitewide community group, or should care2 accept the burden of this? The quick and easy answer of course is: let care2 create, and host a group of this nature, and I am sure, we all pretty much agree with this. Now, what possibly could be the reason they do not wish to do this? Ideas as to why(feel free to add): --Lack of manpower, and/or time to monitor the group. This could be a very easy scenario to imagine. The shear numbers of care2 members could be overwhelming on the current staff. --They feel that the current setup is sufficient to handle all complaints, feedback, suggestions, and it allows the members to create their own communities without being overshadowed by a large care2 singular community site. This, of course, could be acceptable. As it stands now; what exactly in care2.com is not working as well as it should when it comes to getting your message across to the people of care2 IE: Petitions, polls, blogs?(My participation in some of these events is admittingly lack, so please let everyone know if there are issues with this) --It was mentioned that if we let the pressure off of care2 (by trying to create, and manage our own community group) to create a group such as this, then they will just let it go by the wayside, and not put forth the effort to create a care2 hosted community group. * Well, I don't deny this as a valid scenario, but: What if we could show care2 admins that we, as a community, can come together and somewhat police ourselves? This might sway them to accept that creating a care2 hosted community site would not be as much of a burden as they orginally estimated. So there are, obviously, things to consider from this point out. I am glad everyone has come into this group and posted there opinions. I honestly think it was, for the most part civil, possibly more than it has ever been. I think we can look at this as a positive move towards creating a group that we all have been discussing over the past few days. I also wanted to add that: I am new to the F&S group. Although, I have been a member of care 2 for quite some time, I localized my involvement to the political boards for the most part. My intentions here is not create a community site run by myself. The idea to create this group was more to discuss the fact that we need a group such as this to bring care2 together more than it has ever been before. Many people have proposed many great ideas, but with a community of this size we all need to comprimise a bit, and settle with something. It might not be the ideal situation we are all looking for, but it is a start in the right direction. I suggest we all nominate some future hosts for this site, and we will see how this process unfolds. As I have said in other threads, I will have no problem letting it go to whomever we feel most capable. I also would like to remind you that until these decision have been finalized, there is total freedom in this group. Think about how you would like to be treated, and understand that sometimes it is better to just walk away from some responses. With all that said. I will make a post sometime tomorrow and set a date for nominating future hosts. This is a plan that I have in mind, and please, let me know what you think of it. --There will be a tima and date set for nominations. On this date, at that hour, nominations will be accepted an voted on. I would like to set a date and an hour so we are not dragging this out for days at a time. There will be a time frame in which all nominees will be accepted, and a time frame for the voting on all nominees. If all of this sounds acceptable to everyone then let's give it a try. If you have anything to add, or any other suggestions then please let us all know. Until tomorrow then... Invictus verite [ send green star]