Just a quick word on "Poppy Day" Hope you click on the links, you will see how entwined both sides of the Atlantic are on Remembrance Day/ Poppy Day, and how important USA is, How important Canda is and so many countries that joined especially in WW2 to fight a common enemy.
The Poppy looks back to weep for all killed in conflict, that includes the families, who fought their own wars on the "homefront" . It is worth remembering, in Britain, the Poppy helped surviviors of war, , when our Government didn't. Which is why here, we are raging that in the middle of the Poppy wreath, >every political party put an advert for themselves, when the only logo acceptable, is RBL badge, you will see the centre of a poppy, is black, >representing grief, so it should be the same for the poppy wreaths,, this will be discussed before next years ceremony, you can bet on that.
The poppy also looks forward, , helping service men and women, financially, through the welfare fund, (and of course making the poppies), the money collected from the sales goes to help sustain this benevolent fund. So the poppy looks back and weeps, and looks forward to help heal, and promote peace & caring.
Any way here are the links, some good photos too love hugs x wendy kx>>>>
amen Cheryl peace in our time and for our childrens children
Wendy, Christian, Mary, Sue, Ingrid -- It's great to see you here. You are absolutely right about having two threads and I don't know why I didn't realize that before. I will separate the posts into two threads, so next year they both will come up but each will honour and remember and/or celebrate as appropriate.
Wendy, what a nightmare you and your family experienced. "PTSD" wasn't even in the books then and so many people had it and didn't know what it was or how to deal with it.
Sue, obviously you experienced those same feelings when you heard the stories of family who went through the war in England and have seen the devastation.
Christian, it's good to see you! Thank you for posting the suggestion and explaining the differences.
Mary, that picture is awesome and it's so fitting to have a Animals in War Remembrance Service! I always think about the animals that were used for various duties in war time, even when I'm watching movies about long-ago wars where it was hand to hand combat and many generals, etc., were on horses. The horses would get shot or stabbed and often they were eaten when they died because soldiers were starving.
Thanks to all of you for your input here. I will separate the threads.
I also find it an incredibly sad day. I never miss watching the war movies (the real ones). Every time I see a person fall I wonder who he was, and was he a Canadian, or was he British, or was he Australian, or a New Zealander. When I was in Australia (in my early 20's) I watched the Anzac Day Parade - not a fun-type parade obviously - (Australian and New Zealand Army Corps) and burst into tears as the vets proudly marched by, many with crutches, many with arms or legs missing, and many in wheelchairs. It struck me that they all had the same facial expression and I'm sure that signified the terrible memories within each person.
For all of us - I know we wish/pray for:
Thank you Veterans who have served and are serving now everyday.
Well said, Sue. Every year, this becomes more and more bothersome. Remembrance Day is observed on November 11th (not "celebrated" as it is not a day of celebration) in many different countries worldwide. That's great that there is a Veterans Day in the US, but as Sue said, the fact that it occurs on the same day as Remembrance Day is not a good thing at all, as Americans always push their days with great vigor, forgetting that the internet is not actually in the US only, but worldwide. Then what happens is that it overshadows the other day.
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I'm with Christian on the need for 2 different threads. As a Canadian and also a British citizen I have always found Remembrance day to be the saddest day of the year. As a small child I remember visiting relatives in London and still seeing the spaces where buildings used to stand before the Blitz, sometimes even the huge holes where the basements used to be. Older members of my family told me horrifying accounts of what life was like in London during WW2 when their neighbours homes were completely destroyed and lifelong friends lost. So many of their friends lost in battle, so much time devoted to trying to comfort the parents and children of the fallen. We children grew up in households with both parents suffering from undiagnosed and untreated PTSD and all the problems that involved. To put it bluntly our childhood was a living nightmare.
So on Remembrance Day we remember with great respect the horrors of war and the bravery and dedication to make this world a better place of all the fallen and permanently disabled living souls who survived. We hope and pray that these horrors never happen again. For me it is a day filled with sadness and that sadness is compounded by the seemingly ongoing removal of necessary medical care and disability pension benefits that our governments are now taking from our surviving veterans. I am truly appalled by the lack of treatment these brave souls receive to combat their injuries, especially for those with PTSD.
So when I received ecards wishing me a Happy Veterans Day yesterday, they just made me even sadder and cry more. It is unfortunate that both a celebration and a day to honour the dead happen on the same date. Whoever made that decision really messed up!
World Horse Welfare Field Officer Nick White meeting a mule from the British Mule Society at the Animals in War Remembrance Service on Friday.
The service was held at The Animals In War Memorial, London, and was organized this year by Dogs Trust and Petplan UK Charitable Trust. The event included speakers from a wide range of animal charities, recognizing the role of animals in war.
I'm wondering if there shouldn't be two separate threads for these days. They are not exactly interchangeable. Remembrance Day is more of a commonwealth thing which people observe to remember those who have died, whereas Veterans Day is a purely American holiday in which people celebrate living US veterans with parades and such.
Two different things.
Remembrance Day involves the entire country of Canada, England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, etc. wearing poppies during the week before the actual day, and then the entire country grinding to a halt on the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month (November 11th), and observing two minutes of silence, something the US does not do at all.
The closest thing the US has to Remembrance Day is Memorial Day, not Veterans Day (except Remembrance Day doesn't have mattress sales and barbeques).
Briefly, my Grandfather, Father & Uncle's went through the two world wars, my brother sadly suffered brain damage in WW2, he was a babe in arms, when an "Incendiary" bomb fell in our back garden,also my mom had a dog, a "lassie type" dog, who burnt his paws digging dirt to put out the flames that came from the "fire bombs" (Incendiary).
I am the "baby" of four children , there is big age gaps between me and my brothers and 8 years between my sister and me,
yesterday Remembrance Sunday and today are important to me, so it was great to see Britain fall silent today at 11am, the two minute silence was widely observed, marking Respect for 11-11-11.
The Poppy is a symbol , each petal that falls represents every drop of blood spilled in conflict, the horrors of war, in no way is this a celebration or does it glorify war.
The Poppy is there to remind us never to let it happen again.
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Lynn, that's a great tribute to those who are here and working towards change, especially for the veterans of today who often do not get the help they really need. Thank you!
Kay, what an awesome POPPY, and the poem is most touching and memorable. Thank you!
It is absolutely pouring here but that doesn't stop the ceremonies. However, it did stop something we all look forward to and that's the fly-over by the planes in formation. This happened for the Vancouver ceremony. But I did hear the fly-over here in Langley (about an hour away from Vancouver). It always brings chills to me as I watch them. It's a very powerful salute.
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.
On Veterans Day, it’s a time to give thanks. To pause and recognize the contributions of the more than 23 million veterans who served our nation. We are eternally grateful for their service to our country and need to remember that our veterans need our support every single day.
After leaving military service, some veterans have stepped forward and chosen to continue their service to our nation as Members of the U.S. House of Representatives. I would like to introduce four of them to you today.
Two courageous vets, who are currently serving with me in the House, have provided critical leadership on issues affecting veterans, working families and the future of our country.
Congressman Leonard Boswell, has served our nation and the people of Iowa’s Third District since 1996, after 20 years of service in the United States Army. As a Member of Congress, Leonard has been a champion for working families and veterans who have suffered from the job killing Republican policies.
Congressman Tim Walz, after 24 years in the Army National Guard, won his first campaign for the Minnesota’s First Congressional District in 2006. Tim has made improving the care of our nation’s veterans a top priority. Last year, the Post Bulletin said “Walz has relentless energy, and he brings a soldier's work ethic to the House.”
It is my goal, and the goal of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, to help more brave men and women, who have served our country in the uniform of our country’s Armed Forces, to continue their service as Members of Congress.
Retired Army Officer Brendan Mullen, who is running for Indiana’s Second Congressional District, is one such person. After graduating from
Brigadier General John Douglass (Ret.), is another courageous veteran who has stepped forward to continue his service to our country by running for Congress in Virginia’s 10th Congressional District. John also served as an Assistant Secretary of the Navy and will bring valuable leadership and experience to Congress. John is a problem solver and he will attack the challenges facing our nation with the same energy and determination with which he served our nation while in uniform.
I hope you will join with me today in thanking a vet and giving thanks for their courage, self-sacrifice and dedication to our nation and our future.
We appreciate your sacrifice and accomplishments. We are grateful for your strength, courage and perseverance in the face of great challenge. We respect your dedication. We honor you today and offer this prayer:
May the light of God surround all who are serving or have served this country. May Divine Love enfold them; Divine Power protect them; and may the presence of God watch over them now and always. Amen.
In silent tribute, we pause and remember those who, in service to humankind, have sacrificed their lives. We pray for goodwill among people and peace on earth as a lasting tribute to their sacrifice.
Pray to all what is due them, ... respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due. – Romans 13:7
My heart also goes out to the families who have suffered loss of their loved ones. The sacrifices are many.
Gosh, Les, your family has endured so much from these terrible wars. And you, yourself, having been in Viet Nam means you carry scars even if they are not visible. I shall never forget the look on the faces of about 100 young Americans I saw in Japan in 1965. They were all dressed up in their clean white uniforms and I, being only 21, was thoroughly impressed and overwhelmed. But the expression on the faces of so many of these young men was unreadable, and they weren't smiling. Apparently they were there for R&R but most weren't having a good time. They looked as though their thoughts were very far away and they had things on their minds other than R&R. It really wasn't till years later that I began to understand why they looked the way they did. They had seen part of what hell looks like.
Lynn, was that movie with Jimmy Stewart and Donna Reed?
That's really wonderful that Steve is so interested and attached to his family's part in these wars. He has every reason to be proud, as do you. That Medal of Honor is pretty special. I often wondered if Peaches' box of family letters during WWI was handed down to some part of the family that just didn't care about them all that much (hard to understand, though) and they sold them or gave them away. What a pity.
Canadian/English/Russian/American/and Rumanian! What great stories could be told from your ancestors. One has to get as much information as possible from their parents and other family members when they are young because the “stories” are gone when they go. We are often so busy doing other things when we’re young, like raising a family, we don’t think to ask a lot of questions.
My uncle was in the air force and we have wonderful pictures of British family members in their uniforms in WWI and WWII. They sent more postcards (some embroidered) than letters in those days, and everyone seems to have the same style of writing. Curious. Of course, they didn’t have ball point pens so it was pen and ink so maybe that’s the reason.
Les, you are so right -- it will be so great when the time comes when nations are not losing their young to war. Some kids 18 and 19 lied about their age and went to war. Hitler used trained elite groups of kids - some 13 and 14 - to kill, and to especially kill prisoners. We have to believe the day will come when there's world peace.
The stories of losses, whether it be life or limbs or in your dad's case Les, loss of an eye, have been made into movies. Do either of you remember the movie "The Best Years of Our Lives"? An academy award winning film and deservedly so.
The letters you read Cheryl, must have broken your heart. I wonder why no member of Peaches' family had claimed them. Perhaps they too, had expired? So sad.
I honored my uncle by naming Steve after him. A couple of weeks ago, my sister-in-law gave me a box of things that my brother (who passed away a year ago, Nov. 18th) had kept that belonged to my mother. In the box was the Medal of Honor that was given to my uncle posthumously, along with a certificate of honor signed by General Pershing and the removable flap pocket from my uncle's army uniform with a French coin in it. I had seen it all through my young years but didn't know what happened to it. I gave it all to Steve and the expression on his face revealed his deep feelings. He's extremely family minded and always wants to know our family history from both sides of the family.
As an aside, my children's paternal grandmother was born in Montreal and their paternal grandfather was born in England. There's quite a diversified group that we have in our family. My mother was born in Russia (as were her parents) and came to the states when she was 3. My father and his mother before him, were born in good old New York City. My paternal grandfather was also born in Russia. So my kids come from Canadian/English/Russian/American/ and Rumanian way back (my paternal great grandmother). How about you guys?
Thank you Ladies for your shares--It almost seems that a great movie could be made from those letters Cheryl. I too lost an uncle during WWII, another uncle got shrapnel so close to his heart that it could not be removed. My father lost an eye and had shrapnel in his back. I served during the Viet Nam war. I honor all veterans from all actions but will it not be great when the time comes that nations are not losing their young to war.
Oh, Lynn. That's so sad that you lost your uncle, and he was only 21 years old. So many young lives lost. I'm so sorry you never got to know him. You honoring him here today is really nice, but I know you honor him in your heart every time you think of him on any day.
My brother deals in antiques and about 30 years ago he came across a box full of letters that were written to and from a young soldier from, I believe, South Carolina. I will always remember his nick name, which was "Peaches." I stayed up till about 3:00 a.m. reading all these letters. He was also sent to France where he was shot and killed near a small village when they were ambushed.
I believe his family had a large orchard, he was very "Southern" (I could almost hear his and his grandfather's accent reading the letters), and he had a number of sisters. While he was still in the states he had a toothache and several friends told him to go see a dentist. He said he wasn't going to bother because he didn't think he was going to survive the war. At that time he didn't know where he was going to be sent.
There must have been over 50 letters and there were some pictures as well. I was so taken with this family as they poured out their hearts to one another through these letters.
The saddest letter of all was his last letter to his mother. It was post-marked on the actual day he died. I cried a lot reading those letters. There was so much history there and I couldn't understand why anyone would let those precious letters get away from the family.
Peaches is a part of my Remembrance Day. I don't think there is any difference between Canadian and American and other countries who are all fighting the same evil. That makes us bonded as human beings.
I agree, Lynn -- May God Bless them all.
Way back in World War I, my uncle (my mother's brother) was fighting in the Argonne Forest in France, when an enemy bullet hit him in the groin. He died November 10, 1918, the day before Armistice Day. He was 21 years old. I write this in his honor.
May we always honor every member of every armed forces in every war, and remember them for the courageous and honorable manner in which they have served our country. May God Bless them all.
Veterans Day Honor Those Who Have Served in U.S. Military
Veterans Day originated in the Armistice Day holiday commemorating the November 11, 1918, armistice at 11 a.m. (hence "the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month"), which suspended active hostilities and effectively ended the First World War.
President Woodrow Wilson proclaimed November 11, 1919, the first Armistice Day with the following words: "To us in America, the reflections of Armistice Day will be filled with solemn pride in the heroism of those who died in the country’s service and with gratitude for the victory, both because of the thing from which it has freed us and because of the opportunity it has given America to show her sympathy with peace and justice in the councils of the nations …."