"If love is not a sin, then peaceful activity cannot be a crime."
North Platte, NE, USA
male, age 53
married
Speaks: French - bit rusty, German - very little, Spanish but not completely fluent, English/American
Joined Feb 1, 2007
God did not create man to be heterosexual at the beginning of creation, otherwise why did he bring all of the animals for Adam to have sexual intercourse with before he made the poor fool a woman he could enjoy for himself? He supposedly made man of the dust and there was not enough mud left to make a woman? God showed more compassion to animals, providing them mates for themselves at the time they were created. Man was originally left to explore creation as he chose and in any manner in which he chose, including beastiality and incest.
Has man always been heterosexual in sexual preference or has that mentality only developed after man chose to bond with a woman? Do all cultures share the same opinions about the homosexual lifestyle? Beliefs concerning male and female relationships vary from one country and culture to another. Homosexuality was widely accepted by the world until approximately 600 years after Christ and the rise of Islam. Within Catholicism, homosexuality was well known throughout the church. Over centuries, Christianity developed their theology condemning homosexuals as an abomination by reason of scriptural writings of the Old Testament and New Testament. The scribes are liars.
Christianity takes it upon itself to be the moral voice of the world, when in actuality most Christians have no clue what is right and wrong--they are so blinded by what they are told by the church they are unable to reason for themselves. They have to be told, by scripture and preaching, what to believe and how to behave. They can quote chapter and verse about what they believe because they supposedly find their rant printed nicely out for them in their Bibles. The biggest problem for their assertions is that the word 'homosexual' does not appear anywhere in the Old Testament or the New Testament, leaving the most ardent of believers scrambling to replace the term with whatever fits his or her religious doctrine. The closest word they can attribute God's damnation to is a 'sodomite' or one who is from Sodom. You may recall Sodom to be one of the unfortunate cities God destroyed. The story is found in the Old Testament Book of Genesis. In brief, according to biblical scripture, God sent some angels to the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to warn a righteous man named Lot that God was going to utterly destroy the inhabitants because he could find none of them righteous. Before Lot and his family could flee the city, the inhabitants attacked the angels with a single-minded purpose of 'knowing' them in the biblical sense. The angels smote them all blind, Lot, his wife and daughters and the angels were able to escape but, God in his wisdom, turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt because she had to take one last look at the carnage. God's need for anger management is apparent in this story. How petty can a god get for turning someone into a salt-lick because they looked over their shoulder at the sound of death and destruction? Despite the loss of his wife, Lot was still able to procreate with his daughters and continue his lineage. Thus, heterosexuals claim with all self-righteousness, God smote Sodom and Gomorrah because they were homosexuals and spared Lot because he was a heterosexual, an incestuous heterosexual but one none the less! The scribes are liars.
Let's review this story and see what really happened. According to the Book of Genesis, angels appeared to Lot where he lived in Sodom to warn him that God was going to destroy the city as well as Gomorrah because the inhabitants were not righteous in God's eyes. Lot pleaded with God not to destroy the city even for the sake of one righteous man. The angels claimed God would not destroy the city if one righteous man could be found. Well who the hell was Lot if not a righteous man in God's eyes? If the angels came to warn Lot because he was a righteous man, then why didn't he qualify as the single righteous inhabitant of Sodom? God broke his promise to Lot and destroyed the city anyway. Christians point out that the inhabitants of Sodom attacked the angels wanting to have sexual intercourse with them and then the inhabitants were destroyed by God. Thus undeniably showing God's wrath against homosexuals. However, God did not voice his displeasure towards homosexuals over the incident, rather God killed a city full of heterosexuals who were behaving badly! It was not until many centuries later that this story was used to condemn homosexual behavior. Centuries after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, another mythological figure, Moses, claimed God found homosexuality an abomination. This was after Moses spent many days and nights pounding ten commandments into two rocks that could fit into the palm of one hand. Out of these ten commandments, Moses, or it was attributed to him, gave the Israelites over 600 laws to obey. Among these laws was the rant against homosexuals. Keep in mind that even the Bible's prophets declared the scribes of the word of God to be liars. The ancient scrolls were made from animal hides and sewn together which made the ancient way of cut and paste, unlacing and relacing hides, very convenient and acceptable to the controlling priests that ran the Jewish religion. This is how the laws were added over time. The hides were edited to reveal God's word magically appearing where it did not before and the masses were none the wiser. This is why the ancient prophets declared the scribes to be liars. The condemnation of homosexuality is a biblical lie written many years after Moses was dead and inserted into Old Testament scripture to be enforced under penalty of death. However, the law was never enforced in biblical times. The Bible does not record one incident in which God reprimanded or demanded a person be killed for being a homosexual or having been found in the act of homosexual intercourse. If you were one of the thousands of Israelites being led by the nose by Moses around the desert for 40 years, and you were gay, don't you think their all-knowing God, that knows everyone's hearts and minds, would have stopped the caravan and said something to someone and have you killed? There are many stories about God ordering someone's death and destruction for all kinds of infractions but none are found for homosexuality. Why? Because the law against homosexuality is a lie. The scribes are liars.
The Bible demands death for many infractions of the law that are noted as an abomination. The term 'abomination' in English signifies that which is exceptionally loathsome, hateful, wicked, or vile. An abomination occurs because whatever an abomination is, falls outside of normality as defined by Christianity and not humanity. An abomination is not expected but is a freak of nature. If the God of the Christian and Jewish Bible is all knowing then he should have foreseen the possibility that humanity would develop a sexual interest in each other, including an interest in the same sex. The fact that the Bible declares God's surprise and declaration of homosexual as an abomination demonstrates the law was written based on the ignorance of a human and not God's oration to Moses. The scribes are liars.
Need more proof? Consider the love affair between David and Jonathan, two Old Testament heroes. Throughout their love affair, God does not berate David and his playmate for being homosexuals. God does not bring any condemnation against David for being gay. God's only rant dealt with a woman David had an affair with and the woman's husband whom David had murdered. God chastised him for behaving badly with a woman. God had ample opportunity to smite him where he stood but remained silent concerning his homosexuality. Why? Because God accepted his homosexual nature as normal behavior. Only man declares it an abomination. The scribes are liars.
There is a lot of nonsense written in the Bible concerning 'sodomites'. In fact, the word 'Sodomite' is a deliberate mistranslation of the original text in order to inject a specific doctrine into the Bible. The word 'sodomite' became synonymous with homosexuality sometime around the Dark Ages when the Christian church ruled the world with an iron rod from Rome. Over the centuries the Protestants have also taken up the mantle of gay-bashing, sometimes literally justifying their rampage is in accordance with scripture. They never brag about assaulting anyone because of Jesus Christ telling them to do so but rather scripture guides them, not the Holy Ghost. Even though Christians will swear they are ruled by the Holy Ghost and love everybody but hate the sin, they will use scripture to give credibility to their violence and outspoken hatred towards whatever they believe is in violation of biblical scripture. This outspoken hatred includes homosexuals. The Christian modernist decrying God's condemnation of homosexuals bases his opinion upon ancient scriptures written by unknown authors, scriptures shown to be untrue by wording alone. Homosexuality is and has always been an acceptable expression of love and affection perverted only by the minds of religious fanatics bent on controlling every aspect of our lives from birth to the grave, including who we choose to share our lives with.
The scribes are liars.
The False Doctrine Concerning Genesis and Jesus the Messiah
Who wrote the Bible? Where were the books discovered? Can we trust what is written in the Bible?
Most of these questions can be answered by asking the question, 'Upon what story is all of this based?' For the answer, you must approach the religion from the beginning of its mythology. Let's explore this mythology using Christianity's own writings found in the Bible.
On the sixth day of creation, God created man, and God declared everything he had done was good in his eyes. Man was perfect, he was made in God's image. Then, on another day but the same sixth day in Christian logical thinking, God decided to make a woman for man's mate.
Open your Bibles to the Book of Genesis, Chapter 3. In this chapter, we find a man and a woman placed in a perfect magical garden where everything they want is provided for them by a benevolent god. There is only one hitch to living in paradise. They may not eat of the tree of knowledge or they will die! God established prohibition of eating fruit, under the penalty of death. Total abstinance of the eating of a particular fruit was required or they both would die. Then, along came a sepent, a talking serpent, that flattered and beguiled the woman with its charm and it gave the woman the fruit of knowledge and one for her husband to eat. They were so enthralled by a talking snake that they did as the serpent asked and suddenly their eyes were open, they became sentient and illigent beings. They became dangerous to God because they discovered new ideas. Later, God came looking for them and somehow could not find them. An all-knowing god did not know where to find the two people he made that lived in his garden.
So, he called out to them, 'Yo! Adam, where ya'll at?' Adam and Eve came out of hiding and said, 'We are over here hiding cuz we ate the fuit and found out we've been naked all this time. So, we hid from you.' Eve blamed the snake. 'The snake gave it to me. He said it was good fruit.' God said, 'You believed a snake over me?' Eve said, 'He was a talking snake! He said, you said it was cool!' Now why would anyone think they were not supposed to do what a talking snake told them to do? Didn't God make talking snakes too? Yet, this benevolent maker of all things, the poppa of the universe had an existential meltdown, threw his first born children out of the garden, and cursed all of his creation to die because of a piece of produce! God cursed humainty because they were able to ask him questions and have new ideas. They developed independent thinking and were cursed by their creator. Adam and Eve were only a few hours old. They had just begun life. We raise our children over several years directing them on how to make choices and here is our supreme God killing off his creation all because his first born boy and girl made their first mistake in following his directions. Isn't it nice that our mortal parents show more mercy towards us, especially as hormone-exploding teenagers!
Because the woman ate the fruit first and then gave it to her husband, God commanded that man should rule over her. God took the most spineless animal of the two and made him boss. Adam had no backbone when it came to refusing Eve her desires and God directed him to rule over the more stronger-willed Eve. Depending on what legend you believe, God created a woman named Lilith to be Adam's first wife. Adam was such a bastard, Lilith would not submit to his sexual desires and ran away. Then God created Eve. However, we will use the more popular account of Eve created from Adam's rib after God allowed him to have sexual intercourse with all of the other animals. The Christian version of God seems to torture his pets before killing them when they do not perform as perfectly as him.
Many Christians today will argue that the story of creation as well as the story of Adam and Eve are allegorical accounts and should not be taken literally. There are others who swear every word of the Bible is true and without error, therefore, the story of Adam and Even and the fall from grace over a piece of fruit is absolutely true. The question remains to be asked, 'Which version is the correct one?' Neither version is correct. They are mythological stories invented by ignorant people in order to explain their place in the universe. The story is not a literal one. It is not true. It is imaginary. The story of the fall from grace did not happen. Man is not cursed by God and is not doomed to damnation in a fiery hell. How do we know? Because the story of Genesis did not happen. Science, common sense and reason have all shown the improbability of the story of Genesis.
Now, let's fast-forward several thousand years to the New Testament era and the birth of Jesus, the messiah. Everything you have been told about Jesus the Christ is centered around the mythological story of Adam and Eve and the fall from grace. Because of the fall from grace--from eating fruit--man was eternally separated from God and the only way God could reconcile man to himself with forgiveness, was for God to be born of a woman, who brought the curse upon humanity, and having been born human, God became a man, in order to sacrifice himself to himself and save all of creation from himself through this sacrifice. Like the story of Genesis, the story of Jesus is false because it is based upon the premise that the Old Testament story of Genesis is true. Another reason the story of Jesus is not true is because we only have the word of a dubious collection of books written by unknown and unproven authors who also base their writings upon the story of creation and man's fall from grace. The assertions of the Jews as God's chosen people and then the Christians claim to be the seed of Abraham, the true sons of Abraham to be exact, are not true and are only found in their own religious books! Much of what the two religions claim cannot be substantiated by independent writings of kingdoms in existance at the time the events occured in history. History, independent of the church's control over historical writings until modern times, does not corroborate the holy writings of either religion. The Christians embraced a religion they knew nothing about and hijacked the god of the Jews for their own religious teachings based upon a fairytale. Christian missionaries have been dying over a fable. Wars have been fought with millions killed in the name of a fable. Other religions have sprung up quoting from the same dubious group of books in order to gain popularity and legitimacy for thier religious propaganda and hatred for whatever is not of their beliefs. And, today, the struggle to be free of religious oppression continues, all in the name of a fable.
Ophiuchus looking for fun and adventure. I am a former Christian minister exposing the theology and false doctrine of the Christi-nazi church. I am not an atheist. A disagreement with Christo-facsists is not the same as a disagreement with God. A person should do something in life other than sit on their asses and watch it all go to hell. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
The Bible should have a disclaimer for works of fiction instead of several pages of sucking-up to King James for an introduction. If God were in Christianity, there would not be so many churches of different and opposing faiths. Saul of Tarsus was no apostle, and the Bible is NOT true and without error. It is a grand work of fiction. God is no respector of persons, therefor, neither the Jew nor the Christian, nor anyone else of a revealed religion, are God's 'chosen' people. People are entrusted with the welfare of their fellow man. Evil is the result of men violating the personal freedoms of men. The single greatest example of the failure of total abstinence can be found in the Biblical story of Adam and Eve. God allows for us to party and be happy, Christianity does not. Religion is used to control the morals of society through violence and intimidation and influence political elections. What redeeming quality does religion have that is not already found in every living human on the planet? What reasoning is there to join a religion that has beaten its theology and doctrine into our collective consciousness over two thousand years through rape, torture, murder, black mail, and warfare? Organized religion preaches the propaganda spewed by our government as religious doctrine to obey. Just say 'NO' to religion.
Christians self-righteously expect and demand respect for their beliefs and they really do not deserve any for theirs any more than I deserve respect for mine. We respect the right of each person to worship as they choose as set forth in the US Constitution. This does not mean we respect your assumed right to teach our children (permission which most would never give you) to accept as truth a story of a girl living in a magic garden who was given a magic fruit by a talking snake. And it is because of this action that your god had an existential melt down and cursed all of creation to die. To make it up to us, he had sex with an unmarried girl who gave birth to him, so that he could sacrifice himself to himself, thereby saving us from himself. It is because of the fable of Genesis, that the story of Jesus was written. Therefore, because the story of Jesus depends on the story of Genesis to be true, that the story of Jesus is proven to be false. A true story cannot evolve from fiction. Mankind never fell from grace, therefor, the story of Jesus as the redeemer of humanity is fiction and never happened. If you want to change my mind, prove the story of Genesis is true, then we will argue about Jesus.
Faith deserves no respect in the face of common sense and reason.
What Gives Me Hope
God is neither Christian nor American nor does the Divine depend upon the American idea of Democracy to keep order. The Divine dwells in all of us. When we create to do good, then the Divine is good and benevolent. When we destroy to do wickedly with each other, then the Divine is evil. Man is responsible for his own actions. He creates or he destroys depending upon the nature of the Divine that dwells in him.
If I were Mayor, I'd make the world a better place by
Guarantee the right of everyone to live as they chose to live and not how the local bunch of funny-mentals want them to live. Personal freedom and individual responsibility would make Amerika a decent place to live.
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I have long told people who ask what religion I am that I am a Heretic. I have read that the word in greek means "One who questions" and that suits me more than Atheist or agnostic. To me Atheist is one who says definnitively there is no god. Agnostics seem to say there is no way of knowing so why bother worrying about it. I tend to lean more towards thinking that it is more important to question. Question what is right, what is true. To engage the universe in a constant dialogue and ask it why it is so multifacited, insane, chaotic, and wonderful. If there is a god he/she/it certainly has a wonderful sense of humor, just consider the platypus!
Stopping by to say hello and I hope you're having a great week! May the path you walk be filled with light and love, my friend. Peace, love, and blessed be!
"I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws."--Albert Einstein
"The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by 'God' one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... It does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity." ~Carl Sagan~
According to the Christian Bible, god made one male and one female of all species in order to propagate the earth. Evolution has been found to show the story of procreation to be a fable. Recently, it has been discovered that Comodo Dragons can reproduce asexually with no male to fertilize their eggs--a virgin birth. How can this be possible if a god ordained his creation to procreate with opposite sexes in order to continue the species? Isn't god perfect?
The story of Jesus is the result of the story of creation found in the book of genesis, Chapter 3. If the story of the snake giving a little girl a magical fruit is false, then the story of god coming to earth to die on the cross is also false. What god would sacrifice his life for the sake of a fable? Only the Christian god.