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Apr 18, 2007

Luke 6:42
How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.


The majority of people are heterosexual.  Unfortunately many people in the U.S. think that "majority rule" means the majority has the RIGHT to OPPRESS the minority. If that were the case, and our law makers and courts did not step in, we may still have slavery today and women would still not be allowed to own land or vote.  

Like so many that are in the majority, it is easy for them to make new laws and rules that have no affect on them.  That is what Heterosexuals are doing when they write legislation or vote on laws governing gay marriage.  It doesn't change anything for them.  They do not have to change their behavior.  They do not have to look at their own moral make up.  They just dictate what other people should or shouldn't do.   

Consider just the two following facts:

According to the Family Violence Prevention Fund, women are more likely to be killed by their husband or intimate male partner than by a stranger. 

According to The Bureau of Justice statistics, children under 5 years of age are more likely to be killed by their own (heterosexual) parents and caregivers than by a stranger. 

This is just the tip of an awful and violent iceberg. Heterosexuals, though, point their finger away from themselves and blame the disintegration of their cherished institution on people who do not have and never had any affect on their behavior. 

Please consider reading and signing the linked petition so it can be sent to government officials and community leaders and help inspire informed discussion of this hypocrasy. 


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/3
03570789


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Posted: Wednesday April 18, 2007, 6:00 pm
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Lucky Children Astorgues (104)
Tuesday April 17, 2007, 1:49 pm
Observ ourselves first honestly. What is important : to ourselves or like the society wants to name us ?
It is new for my generation, but, I respect. I cosider human in totality and I think must be obliged to justified his intimity. Tolérance, Tolérance ! My respect to all of you whatever you be (I apologise for my approximate english). Have good days.

Xam W. (3)
Tuesday April 17, 2007, 5:54 pm
The main reason I switched from being a Republican to Democrat is exactly what you point out. Republicans believe Majority Rule means they have the right to oppress the Minority. Democrats believe the majority has the obligation to represent and listen to the minority.

Joyce M. (8)
Wednesday April 18, 2007, 5:52 pm
Thanks for replying to this topic.

There's really two things being pointed out here and both are for the purpose of making us think from a different point of view.

The first is, can a majority group of people sincerely and fairly make laws to govern a minority when the majority group will never be affected by those laws? Is that oppresion? The second is, how does it feel to have someone outside of the group you identify with telling you what you can or can not do?

Does it make us as Heterosexuals scared to think gays as a group could tell us we can't do something we want to do because we aren't in their group. Well, that's how gays were brought up to feel every day of their lives. Heterosexuals will always be the majority and gays will always be the minority. That's the way it has been for all of history and that's the way it will stay. With that in mind it seems obvious that popular votes about "gay marriage" will never be fair unless we as the group "Heterosexuals" can think of how the legislation will affect others not just that it won't affect us.

"What ever; I'll vote for it (or against it) becuase it won't change my life, it doesn't hurt me, it doesn't affect me, and I'll be voting with the majority." In spite of how it affects the people it is aimed at.

Obviously the "banning of the group 'Heterosexuals'" from doing anything can't happen. But, the proposition that a group (gays) would make a law telling Heterosexuals what they can't do (make legislation governing marriage until Heterosexulas take responsibility for there own immoral and violent behavior) will make us think from the gays point of view. That is; how can Heterosexuals tell gays they can't get married because it is immoral when the majority of Heterosexuals themselves have taken part in some form of immoral behavior involving marriage (that being divorce, violence, domestic and child abuse or just having a less than sanctimonious marriage.)

I hope this petition will bring up and continue discussion from that point of view.


Sir Jack Peterson KOSD (0)
Saturday April 21, 2007, 8:21 am
I am a hetro male. I am not against gay marriage per se, but let me ask you this...
if we allow marriage based on sexual orientation, you get to marry, and that's fair. But does the bisexual get a husband and a wife? What about child sexual predators?? Children are their orientation. How about Bigamists?? What about Poligimists? What about those who's orientation is toward animals?
We have equal protection under the law, but if we change it to be inclusive of one group, we have to include everyone.
I'm not trying to make you mad, and I am not making fun of you, or being hostile. I have gay friends. I just have a differing view and would like you to justify your opinions.

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 3, 2007, 10:21 pm
Unlike many other communities, ours is a very diverse one. I think its extrigent that religion be kept out of our political statements. I`m sure there is a God. But we don`t all acknowledge the same God, if one acknowledges a diety at all. On the flip side, Organized Religion has spent a lot of time and money into destructing our attempts at being productive citizens. I hope we as well realize the need to keep our politics and our religious needs seperate.

Ambika Jord (33)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 5:23 pm
As far as I am for contractual marriage at all, I am for same-sex marriage. One of the arguments I hear all the time is that marriage was created between men and women for the creation of children. Well, firstly I hate to break this to everyone, but you don't need to be married to create children. Secondly, the world is already suffering over-population effects, so you'd think people would welcome those who are not going to actually add to the burden. In response to a couple of the other comments, I was born bi, but that doesn't imply needing both a woman and a man in my life. It means I am capable of being attracted to and falling in love with certain individuals regardless of their biological sex. I'm always a tad confused by statements of the need to keep politics and religion separate. For a start, when you are talking religion (as opposed to spirituality) it relates to just another form of power. Secondly, both are about values. If you take your values seriously, then that will overlap to all areas of your life. It is not something you can take up in one area and ignore in another. People necessarily choose politicians who match their own personal values to the greatest degree, wherever they are taken from. And yes, ironic that heterosexual marriage is so subject to divorce, extra-marital affairs, abuse of women and children, but holds itself up as something sacred.
Keeping people who want to legally commit to being with another individual in love, for the long-term, from doing that, is just another form of oppression in support of the dominant group's values - remembering that contractual (legal) marriage only came into being in the late 1700s, and prior to that, cohabitation constituted marriage, and anyone could do it!

Scott Jay Miller (1)
Sunday October 18, 2009, 5:51 am
Great add. But not everyone is appreciative of Luke or his word. Organized religion has little to do with enhancing the quality of life for Gays. I don`t see how this post is appropriate for an Ellen fan based group.

John M. (0)
Monday June 14, 2010, 2:56 am
sex is not love. Jesus loved many men, but didn't have to have sex with them to prove it. there was a time when we all didn't have sex and yet loved. sodomy is sin, and even if you do it once you should repent and ask God to forgive you. I wonder how many gay marriages there would be if you took the sodomy out of it.

Joyce M. (8)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 1:16 pm
Heterosexuals should stop judging others by your own actions. People don't identify themsleves as Gay because they have sex. They Identify themselves as Gay because they love another person. Is that unlike heterosextuals? I havent had sex in years. Am I Hetero or Gay? I still love and I'm still married. Please don;t judge others by your own desires and actions.

Aveyah Watch (11)
Friday October 29, 2010, 3:17 am
Note: pedophiles claiming to be gay!!!Yes! It's true... The Hate Crimes Act & Sexually Equal Act: in some states allows

pedophiles the same rights as gays...which elimates a pedophile from being put on the regisitry list. That is in 20 states. Many pedophiles claim to be gay, yet the gay people I have meant are not a pedophile. No history of it.

But some pedophiles who live around the schools in our town are unstable

pedophiles and claim to gay...they get out prisons earlier than most & gain rights to live next to a school.

Talk about sick government in local towns or whoever listens to a pedophile.

Tell me your view!

And I wonder why they have been making a bad name for gays?

I am not gay: but I am married & my own 11 year old ask these questions.

Gays need to stand up for their rights and get things changed so they don't look bad! This is actually is causing problems all over America. I beg all Gays to educate about Pedophiles, Child Molesters and Animals Abusers (Sexual) claiming to gay & how they are making the Gay Community look bad!

Aveyah Watch (11)
Friday October 29, 2010, 3:28 am
Note: pedophiles claiming to be gay!!!Yes! It's true... The Hate Crimes Act & Sexually Equal Act: in some states allows

pedophiles the same rights as gays...which elimates a pedophile from being put on the regisitry list. That is in 20 states. Many pedophiles claim to be gay, yet the gay people I have meant are not a pedophile. No history of it.

But some pedophiles who live around the schools in our town are unstable

pedophiles and claim to gay...they get out prisons earlier than most & gain rights to live next to a school.

Talk about sick government in local towns or whoever listens to a pedophile.

Tell me your view!

And I wonder why they have been making a bad name for gays?

I am not gay: but I am married & my own 11 year old ask these questions.

Gays need to stand up for their rights and get things changed so they don't look bad! This is actually is causing problems all over America. I beg all Gays to educate about Pedophiles, Child Molesters and Animals Abusers (Sexual) claiming to gay & how they are making the Gay Community look bad!

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