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I had a discussion over one of my status which was a Nietzsche quote:
"The Deeper Minds Of All Ages Have Had Pity For Animals ~ - Friedrich Nietzsche"

Joey Ayoub at 10:08pm January 14 { Lebanese Time }
One of the rare men who still impress me!

Raphael Burkhalter at 10:14pm January 14
I'm impressed by all the good posts Joey Ayoub shares with us!

Amanda Lebbos at 10:17pm January 14
animals ... are just for lab experiences esp rats and mice!
dogs are okay ! cats are yukk I killed one when I was a kid, and cows are delicious when U eat them in burger etc

Amanda Lebbos at 10:18pm January 14
I am biology girl ! :p sorry

Raphael Burkhalter at 10:22pm January 14
Amanda's are also good with salt and pepper and some fries..
I'm a cannibal boy ! sorry

Joey Ayoub at 10:24pm January 14
You believe in God Amanda and you actually pretend that his creations deserve the worst hate possible? Kind of a contradiction here in my opinion

Amanda Lebbos at 10:27pm January 14
I belive in god ! and god created them so that we dont get hungry !!u hunt u will never be hungry

Jessa Cadeau-Rodenburgh at 10:29pm January 14
God is goodness and purity, and there is nothing good in the destruction of his creations. Humans are worth no more than what we call 'animals'. In fact given our cruelty towards other humans as well, I'd say animals are more worthy than us.
Amanda, why did you kill a cat as a child? That seems so wrong to me...

Jessa Cadeau-Rodenburgh at 10:31pm January 14
We do not need to consume animals to survive. In fact our bodies are healthier without meat and animal products. When we take care of our own bodies, we honour God as well.

Joey Ayoub at 10:34pm January 14
Yes, You can also hunt humans. As a biology girl, you should know that Humans taste just like pork. If the only reason you don't kill humans is because you believe in some higher power than that's sad. Although I don't think that's the case. It's just a innate feeling, not to kill humans seems very obvious because we're humans and can see the suffering very easily.

As a biology girl as well, you should know that Animals suffer in the exact same way as we do. the pain can even be much more stronger in many animals. All we need is more intelligence, or rather imagination to see that. Jessa believes in a God, I don't. We're both Veggies, that's how we connect. We have a compassionate feeling towards living beings who - I repeat - feel the same physical pain as we do.

Joey Ayoub at 10:35pm January 14
When you take the Cow's babies from her to get murdered for pure taste of food, than there is something contradictory with believing that a God actually created them. He could have created them growing from trees so that torture and death wouldn't be necessary. Either he is wicked or did a mistake somewhere ...

Amanda Lebbos at 10:35pm January 14
I wasnt a kid , it was 2 years ago actually , by mistake , hitted him with my car !
even Jesus consumed animals in order to survive ! This is what we call balance !It's the nature! the animals eat themselves in order to survive !
I am a biology student there is no point of arguing with me !I am not into the spiritual stuff

Raphael Burkhalter at 10:36pm January 14
a biology girl and a creationist at the same time? hum.. Amanda must have quite a big fight going on in her mind...

Amanda Lebbos at 10:36pm January 14
haha raphael

Raphael Burkhalter at 10:37pm January 14
yep, you're not very congruent...

Jessa Cadeau-Rodenburgh at 10:39pm January 14
How can you believe in God, but not be into "spiritual stuff"? Sorry, I don't get it.

Amanda Lebbos at 10:39pm January 14
Okay god gave the humans the priority ! why didnt he create a smart talkative cat?

Jane Ronald Ruel Tolkien at 10:40pm January 14
Amanda is sad lol. Joey's a veggie and pretty big guy lol I mean it in a good way Joey I'm a veggie as well. It's very easy. We just don't make exceptions. There's no reason to allow dogs to live but to cut off the head of Cows. It's just how morality gets twisted so very easily...

Amanda Lebbos at 10:41pm January 14
I am very catholic , killing animals is alowed in my religion nut not killing humans!Being pious and religious doesnt mean I am spiritual !

Amanda Lebbos at 10:43pm January 14
lol guys my point of view is different than urs but I respect urs !
anyway Hamburger rulesss!!..and without the cows I would have struggled cz i dont fancy veggies and fruits!

Raphael Burkhalter at 10:44pm January 14
omg Amanda, you seem to be so confused!

Joey Ayoub at 10:44pm January 14
What's a priority? As far as I'm concerned, those with *power* should use it wisely.
Why the hell did God create people with mental disabilities? They have no life, some have even the intelligent capacity of Monkeys. It's sad but true. Why aren't they killed?

What does it mean "allowed" ? And what's a point of view? Is it a sticker that we put above the eyes and never take it off? If Hindus are forbidden to kill animals but Catholics aren't.. Does that Make Hinduism much nicer? After all, no animal dies for most Hindus (or Jains)

Jessa Cadeau-Rodenburgh at 10:45pm January 14
To be technical as well, there is only one instance in the New Testament of Jesus eating an animal. He eats a small morsel of fish. I refuse to believe however that Jesus today would support animal cruelty, slaughter houses, the de-beaking of chickens... Jesus in my mind was above any such selfish cruelty. That said, as far as animals being more intelligent. Who has created a hole in our ozone layer? Who is responsible for global warming? Who is responsible for two World wars? Who's responsible for sweat shops? Now tell me, who exactly the intelligent ones are...

Jane Ronald Ruel Tolkien at 10:45pm January 14
mr Adam and Miss Eve ate an apple.. Should we be Applarian? Or does following without reason work in a different way? lOl

William Ward at 10:46pm January 14
I have a question. If we do believe in God here (I don't, but I'm not going to bring it up), why are there carnivores in the world? It seems clear to me that animals have adapted over time to survive through different means, one of them happens to be consuming other animals. In light of this, is there anything intrinsically (sp?) wrong with a human eating a cow, or are you just appalled by the way the animals are treated and therefore sort of "boycott" meat, if you will?

Joey Ayoub at 10:47pm January 14
Wrong? No.

Amanda Lebbos at 10:47pm January 14
c mon Its just an animal !!Just live People!! If kill 10 mice a day in the science labortory !! will I go to hell !

Jessa Cadeau-Rodenburgh at 10:48pm January 14
I'm actually really curious as to how you define religious, and how you define spirituality?

Joey Ayoub at 10:48pm January 14
I don't need a Hell to know what's morally wrong or good Amanda.. It's just common sense

Raphael Burkhalter at 10:49pm January 14
no Amanda, hell doesn't exist. But that will be the stone you will carry in your conscious all your life.

Amanda Lebbos at 10:49pm January 14
Do u cry if a dog got killed , when hundreds of people are dying in gaza , irak , africa ...etc

Joey Ayoub at 10:50pm January 14
Not necessarily if animal suffering isn't part of the conscience of many of us. It's not wrong or evil, I repeat. It's just obviously not the best way of seeing the world. That's all I'm putting forward here

Jessa Cadeau-Rodenburgh at 10:51pm January 14
Yes, I do. I cry for all suffering.

Joey Ayoub at 10:51pm January 14
Cry for the dog and cry for the humans. Don't choose to cry over Human suffering and ignore Animal suffering. I do feel sad when a dog gets killed and I do feel very sad when I hear of the horrors our stupidity conjures every day.

William Ward at 10:52pm January 14
Okay, so you are a vegetarian because it is more comfortable for you because you believe that the unethical treatment of animals outweighs the nutritional value of a balanced diet, although you can attain one through other vegetables. I have respect for vegetarians but I would rather push for better treatment of animals and continue to eat meat, because I like it. That's just me.

Joey Ayoub at 10:54pm January 14
No not because it is more comfortable for me personally (which it of course is). I just became a veggie because I was convinced it was the right thing to do. Very simple. I don't respect nor disrespect meat eaters, it's not my place. But I would respect a meat eater who goes in the butcher house, sees a cow with its babies and then ask the butcher to kill that cow for diner. Here comes the difference. Our choices are what matters when you want to speak of kindness. We can speak all we want about changing the world and we all know nothing will change unless with understand something crucial.

William Ward at 10:56pm January 14
Great answer.

Joey Ayoub at 11:01pm January 14
I liked the discussion so far, let's end it here.
We'll have another one if you want when I re post another quote next time. I have to go, take care everyone.

Raphael Burkhalter at 11:02pm January 14
Peace Joey!

Jessa Cadeau-Rodenburgh at 11:02pm January 14
I believe in having an educated understanding of how our decisions affect the world around us. How eating meat affects me spiritually, the environment,our economics,women's rights, the animal, and it's family. It's the same reason I don't shop at places like Wallmart. I don't believe the end justifies the means, because I see where the end lies in... Read More those choices. I personally always try and see the butterfly effect of my choices. I am far from achieving all I'd like in that matter, but I'm working every day to have a more positive affect on the world.

Jessa Cadeau-Rodenburgh at 11:03pm January 14

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"I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized."

"No humane being, past the thoughtless age of boyhood, will wantonly murder any creature which holds its life by the same tenure that he does."

"A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral."

- Henry David Thoreau, On Civil Disobedience

"Recently, while I was in the street, my eye was caught by a poulterer's shop; I stared unthinkingly at his piled-up wares, neatly and appetizingly laid out, when I became aware of a man at the side busily plucking a hen, while another man was just putting his hand in a cage, where he seized a live hen and tore its head off. The hideous scream of the animal, and the pitiful, weaker sounds of complaint that it made while being overpowered transfixed my soul with horror. Ever since then I have been unable to rid myself of this impression, although I had experienced it often before."
- Richard Wagner, On Selected Letters of Richard Wagner

"We manage to swallow flesh, only because we do not think of the cruel and sinful thing we do."
- Rabinadranath Tagore, Glimpses of Bengal Letters, 1894

" Like my friend the Doctor, I have lived temperately, eating little animal food, and that not as an ailment, so much as a condiment for the vegetables, which constitute my principle diet"
- Thomas Jefferson, letter written on March 21, 1819 to Dr. Vine Utley

"Thousands of people who say they 'love' animals sit down once or twice a day to enjoy the flesh of creatures who have been utterly deprived of everything that could make their lives worth living and who endured the awful suffering and the terror of the abattoirs."
- Jane Goodall, The Ten Trusts

"Thousands-millions and billions-of animals are killed for food. That is very sad. We human beings can live without meat, especially in our modern world. We have a great variety of vegetables and other supplementary foods, so we have the capacity and the responsibility to save billions of lives. I have seen many individuals and groups promoting animal rights and following a vegetarian diet. This is excellent."
Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama, Religious Vegetarianism from Hesiod to the Dalai Lama

"I, for my part, wonder of what sort of feeling, mind or reason that man was possessed who was first to pollute his mouth with gore, and allow his lips to touch the flesh of a murdered being; who spread his table with the mangled forms of dead bodies, and claimed as daily food and dainty dishes what but now were beings endowed with movement, with perception and with voice. For the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of the sun and light, and of that portion of life and time it had been born into the world to enjoy."
- Plutarch, Moralia.

"As often as Herman had witnessed the slaughter of animals and fish, he always had the same thought: In their behavior toward creatures, all men were Nazis. The smugness with which man could do with other species as he pleased exemplified the most extreme racist theories, the principle that might is right."

"People often say that humans have always eaten animals, as if this is a justification for continuing the practice. According to this logic, we should not try to prevent people from murdering other people, since this has also been done since the earliest of times."
- Isaac Bashevis Singer (On Enemies, A Love Story)

"Grant animals a ray of reason, imagine what a frightful nightmare the world is to them: a dream of cold-blooded men, blind and deaf, cutting their throats, slitting them open, gutting them, cutting them into pieces, cooking them alive, sometimes laughing at them and their contortions as they writhe in agony. Is there anything more atrocious among the cannibals of Africa? To a man whose mind is free there is something even more intolerable in the sufferings of animals than in the sufferings of men. For with the latter it is at least admitted that suffering is evil and that the man who causes it is a criminal. But thousands of animals are uselessly butchered every day without a shadow of remorse. If any man were to refer to it, he would be thought ridiculous.—And that is the unpardonable crime. "
- Romain Rolland, On Jean-Christophe

"Until he extends the circle of his compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace."
- Albert Schweitzer (The Philosophy of Civilisation)

"My mother was convinced, and on this head I have retained her firm belief, that to kill animals for the purpose of feeding on their flesh is one of the most deplorable and shameful infirmities of the human state; that it is one of those curses cast upon man either by his fall, or by the obduracy of his own perversity."
- Alphonse de Lamartine, On Les confidences

"Nothing more strongly arouses our disgust than cannibalism, nothing so surely unmortars a society; nothing, we might plausibly argue, will so harden and degrade the minds of those that practice it. And yet we ourselves make much the same appearance in the eyes of the Buddhist and the vegetarian. We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions, and organs with ourselves; we feed on babes, though not our own; and the slaughter-house resounds daily with screams of pain and fear. We distinguish, indeed; but the unwillingness of many nations to eat the dog, an animal with whom we live on terms of the next intimacy, shows how precariously the distinction is grounded."
- Robert Louis Stevenson, In the South Seas, Chapter XI

"As for me, I could never so much as endure, without remorse and griefe, to see a poore, sillie, and innocent beast pursued and killed, which is harmelesse and voide of defence, and of whom we receive no offence at all.
- Montaigne, Of Cruelty

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Editorial Reviews:

From Publishers Weekly
While he purports to defend the Vatican against "polemics" and "moralists," Godman's account of the Vatican's failure to oppose Hitler, based on recently released documents, is in some ways as damning as Goldhagen's A Moral Reckoning. He focuses on the 1930s and two men, Pope Pius XI and his secretary of state, Eugenio Pacelli, the future Pope Pius XII. Neither man comes off well, bound as they were by legalisms, propriety and an almost obsessive desire to maintain the facade of reciprocity embodied in the Vatican's Concordat with Nazi Germany. Both fully recognized that Nazism was incompatible with Christian doctrine, and therein lies the real tragedy of Godman's well-told tale. While Godman, a Vatican scholar and member of the Church's Committee for the Archives of the Holy Office, paints portraits of two tormented but indecisive men, other culprits are the ineffective papal delegate in Berlin, Cardinal Orsenigo, and the Austrian bishop Alois Hudal. This is also a study of the structural and institutional inertia of the Vatican. Caught between the dual threats of Nazism and Bolshevism, popes, German bishops and Vatican authorities failed to articulate a single, coherent, theologically sound and politically savvy condemnation of National Socialism. Like Pius XI's "hidden encyclical" denouncing racism, two highly specific condemnations of Nazism, drafted in 1935 and 1936, were never promulgated for diplomatic and political reasons. One can only read these documents (included as appendixes I and II) with a heartrending sense of what might have been.

From Booklist
Drawing on archival sources, many of which have only recently become available, Godman presents a thorough, evenhanded picture that challenges simple descriptions of Pius XII as "Hitler's Pope." Neither flattering nor sensational, Godman's is a complex portrait of a human institution, made up of persons with a variety of mixed motives, in a difficult political context. Godman shifts attention to the papacy of Pius XI and locates failure to clearly condemn National Socialism in a politics of caution, diplomacy, and anticommunism rather than sympathy. He depicts Austrian bishop Alois Hudal, a member of the Holy Office (known as the Inquisition, 1542-1908), as an appeaser and anti-Semite who became the Nazi Party's "court theologian." Eugenio Pacelli, the career diplomat who became Pius XII, is depicted as suffering "a martyrdom of patience." Convinced that the Vatican could have spoken earlier and more forcefully against the Nazi racism, Godman commendably focuses on a measured presentation of evidence that equips careful readers to make informed judgments about the period and meaningful conclusions about its significance today.

Controversy over the Roman Catholic Church's alleged "silence" about the crimes of Nazism shows no sign of being settled, despite the overly optimistic subtitle of this flawed but revealing history. Godman, a Vatican scholar who has taught most recently at the Univ. of Rome, was the first allowed to see the archives of the Roman Inquisition, the Vatican body in charge of faith and morals, where debates on the Nazis occurred. Materials related to these deliberations were considered so dangerous that in 1940 they were moved to the US to avoid falling into Axis hands. In contrast to John Cornwell's sensational but shoddy Hitler's Pope, Godman absolves Pope Pius XII of anti-Semitism. Yet he finds the papacy fallible in formulating a strategy as Hitler and Mussolini cast ever-larger shadows across Europe. The roots of the problem, Godman suggests, lay not in the papacy of Pius XII but in that of his predecessor, Pius XI. As cardinal-Secretary of State, Pius XII (then known as Eugenio Pacelli) hewed to the line set by his mentor, "in that spirit of diplomatic legalism appropriate to his role and congenial to his character." The real advance here lies in the depiction of the Vatican, a bureaucracy riven with competing agendas that not even the pope could wholly master. By 1935, angered by the Nazis' flagrant violations of a concordat, their use of eugenics, and their racism, Pius XI secretly commissioned a pair of German Jesuits to prepare a condemnation that listed 47 heretical propositions of the regime. But the document ended up watered down in a wider condemnation that linked Nazism with Communism and Fascism as "errors of the age"-and even that was shelved because the German bishops were uncertain how to react to Hitler's mix of lies and threats. Although Godman has uncovered important new information on the behind-the-scenes maneuverings between Rome and Berlin, he does not always present it with clarity. Worse, he stops in 1939, just before Pacelli succeeded Pius XI, so that the wartime action and inaction of the Vatican that have ignited opprobrium are undiscussed. While critical of the papacy, a more balanced treatment of its policy than Cornwell's-though a longer, more intensive treatment is still in order. (Kirkus Reviews)

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For years, the policies of the Catholic Church during the rise and terribly destructive rule of the Nazis have been controversial. Pope Pius XII has been attacked as "Hitler's Pope," an anti-Semitic enabler who refused to condemn Nazism, much less urge Catholics to resist the German regime. The Church has been accused of standing by while the Nazis steadily revealed their evil designs. Yet all such arguments have been based only on sketchy evidence. The Vatican has kept its internal workings secret and locked away from scrutiny.

Until now. In February 2003, the Vatican opened its archives for the crucial years of the Nazi consolidation of power, up until 1939. Peter Godman, thanks to his long experience in Vatican sources and his reputation as an impartial, non-Catholic historian of the Church, was one of the first scholars to explore the new documents. The story they tell is revelatory and surprising and forces a major revision of the history of the 1930s. It is a story that reveals the innermost workings of the Vatican, an institution far more fractured than monolithic, one that allowed legalism to trump moral outrage.

Godman's narrative is doubly shocking: At first, the Church planned to condemn Nazism as heretical, and drafted several variations of its charges in the mid-1930s. However, as Mussolini drew close to Hitler, and Pope Pius XI grew more concerned about communism than fascism, the charge was reduced to a denunciation only of bolshevism. The Church abandoned its moral attack on the Nazis and retreated to diplomacy, complaining about treaty violations and delivering weak protests while the horrors of religious persecution mounted. As Godman demonstrates, the policies of Pius XII were all determined by his predecessor, Pius XI. The Church was misled not so much by "Hitler's Pope" as by a tragic miscalculation and a special relationship with the Italian government. Mussolini toyed with the Church, even proposing that Hitler be excommunicated. Yet in the end, when presented with further evidence of Nazi depredations, Pius XI could only comment, "Kindly God, who has allowed all this to happen at present, undoubtedly has His purpose."

Reproducing the key Church documents in full and quoting verbatim conversations between Pius XI and his bishops, Hitler and the Vatican is the most extraordinary look inside the secretive Vatican ever written.

Editorial Reviews:

From Publishers Weekly
Phayer makes an important addition to the literature of Holocaust studies: he provides evidence that Pope Pius XII (who reigned over the Catholic Church from 1939 to 1958) knew in early 1942 what was happening to Europe's Jews (and to non-Jews in Croatia and Poland)Ayet he remained silent. The pope, he argues, was a Germanophile who had been schooled as a diplomat: treaties (particularly one he'd drafted between Germany and Rome in 1933) and the Communist threat were his main priorities. Protection of Vatican City from Allied or Axis bombs was another. Phayer contends that, had the pope resisted the Nazis and informed his flockAeither overtly or through existing secret channelsAabout what was happening, there would have been many more Catholic rescuers and fewer collaborators than there were. Phayer also details the Church's postwar policies; it played its part in helping Nazis escape justice, he contends, rather than support efforts to force Germany to pay reparations to survivors. Phayer, however, doesn't only describe the years of Pius XII; he contrasts him with Pope Pius XI and Pope John XXIII (who respectively preceded and followed him), and in doing so he makes a forceful point about the difference strong leadership can make. Both Pius XI and John XXIII used their positions of infallibility to openly and publicly encourage cordiality and acceptance of Jews, culminating in the Church's 1965 declaration that the Jews were not responsible for crucifying Jesus. Pius XII, says Phayer, was in contrast a weak leader and a cowardly oneAand the author argues that, given the conditions under which he served, his lack of courage proved devastating.

From Booklist
Marquette University historian Phayer has written about the role of Christian women in challenging Nazi Germany's "final solution." Here, he addresses the current debate over Pope Pius XII's role, partly by insisting the appropriate question is not "What did the pope do?" but "What did the church do?" Phayer broadens the discussion, devoting seven chapters to the Holocaust years and five to the postwar era. The first section considers prewar Catholic attitudes toward Jews; the Vatican's failure to respond to early genocide in Poland and Croatia; priorities that conditioned Pius XII's reaction to the Holocaust; and the responses of European bishops and of Catholics engaged in organized resistance. The second section addresses Vatican resistance to U.S. denazification efforts; priorities that conditioned Pius' postwar actions; interaction between Catholics and Jews after the war; and the rethinking that culminated in the rejection of anti-Semitism at the Second Vatican Council. Phayer's broader focus is valuable but will not likely overcome interest in "What did the pope do?" so long as many within the church are urging rapid canonization of Pius XII.

"Very valuable ... a fine and judicious book ... " - Istvan Deak, New York Review of Books "A well-reasoned but damning overview of the Vatican's response to Nazi atrocities during and after WWII... A fair and even-tempered account of a volatile subject." - Kirkus Reviews "Phayer makes an important addition to the literature of Holocaust studies: he provides evidence that Pope Pius XII ... knew in early 1942 what was happening to Europe's Jews ... yet he remained silent... " - Publishers Weekly "Phayer has written a singularly important book on the role of the Catholic Church in both the Holocaust and its aftermath, up to and including Vatican II. Diligently researched and documented, judicious in its conclusions, comprehensive in its scope, compassionate and humane in its outlook, this book is an indispensable resource..." -Richard L. Rubenstein "Phayer's study of [the Catholic Church] as an actor in the tumultuous history of this century will serve as a model for other historians." -Donald J. Dietrich, Boston College

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"Very valuable . . . a fine and judicious book . . . " --Istvn Dek, New York Review of Books

"A well-reasoned but damning overview of the Vatican's response to Nazi atrocities during and after WWII. . . . A fair and even-tempered account of a volatile subject." --Kirkus Reviews

"Phayer makes an important addition to the literature of Holocaust studies: he provides evidence that Pope Pius XII . . . knew in early 1942 what was happening to Europe's Jews . . . yet he remained silent. . . . " --Publishers Weekly

Throwing the spotlight relentlessly on Pius XII ("Hitler's Pope") has skewed the question surrounding Catholicism and the Holocaust, depriving us of a record of what the entire church did or did not do. Such a record is provided for the first time in the Michael Phayer's compelling book. Phayer shows that without effective church leadership under Pius XII, Catholics acted ambiguously during the Holocaust--some saving Jews, others helping Hitler murder them, the majority simply standing by. After the Holocaust, with Pope John XXIII at the healm, the church moved swiftly to rid itself of centuries-long antisemitic tradition.

About the Author
Michael Phayer is Professor of History at Marquette University. His two most recent books, Protestant Catholic Women in Nazi Germany and (with Eva Fleischner) Cries in the Night: Women Who Challenged the Holocaust, deal extensively with Catholic-Jewish relations before and during the Shoah.

Editorial Reviews Review
This devastating account of the ecclesiastical career of Eugenio Pacelli (1876-1958), who became Pope Pius XII in 1939, is all the more powerful because British historian John Cornwell maintains throughout a measured though strongly critical tone. After World War II, murmurs of Pacelli's callous indifference to the plight of Europe's Jews began to be heard. A noted commentator on Catholic issues, Cornwell began research for this book believing that "if his full story were told, Pius XII's pontificate would be exonerated." Instead, he emerged from the Vatican archives in a state of "moral shock," concluding that Pacelli displayed anti-Semitic tendencies early on and that his drive to promote papal absolutism inexorably led him to collaboration with fascist leaders. Cornwell convincingly depicts Cardinal Secretary of State Pacelli pursuing Vatican diplomatic goals that crippled Germany's large Catholic political party, which might otherwise have stymied Hitler's worst excesses. The author's condemnation has special force because he portrays the admittedly eccentric Pacelli not as a monster but as a symptom of a historic wrong turn in the Catholic Church. He meticulously builds his case for the painful conclusion that "Pacelli's failure to respond to the enormity of the Holocaust was more than a personal failure, it was a failure of the papal office itself and the prevailing culture of Catholicism." --Wendy Smith --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

From Library Journal
Relying on exclusive access to Vatican and Jesuit archives, an award-winning Roman Catholic journalist argues that through a 1933 Concordat with Hitler, Pope Pius XII facilitated the dictator's riseAand, ultimately, the Holocaust.

From The Washington Post
The title tells the tale. And a chilling tale it is: Eugenio Paceli, then the Vatican's all-powerful secretary of state, made it possible for Adolf Hitler to achieve total power in Germany and, as Pope Pius XII, went on to appease him, maintaining inexplicable public silence as the Nazis destroyed and massacred millions of European Jews before and during World War II. In other words, the pro-Germany and "anti-Judaic" Pacelli-who had spent 13 years in Munich and Berlin as papal nuncio-bears, according to this most important book, awesome personal responsibility for the evil of Hitler ... and the Holocaust. Had Pius XII publicly condemned Hitler's acts-and even top Germany military commanders in Italy secretly urged him to do so toward the end of the war-many millions of lives might have been saved. The conclusions and revelations presented by John Cornwell in his meticulously researched Hitler's Pope, many of them based on materials from heretofore closed Vatican, Italians, German, British, and French archives and other unimpeachable sources, leave not doubt that Eugenio Pacelli was the Fuhrer's best imaginable ally. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

"Leaves little doubt that Eugenio Pacelli was the Fuhrer's best imaginable ally....A major historical discovery. -- The Washington Post

Devastating.... The arrival of the first serious and complete biography of Eugenio Pacelli, Pius XII, could not be more timely. -- The Atlantic Monthly

Explosive... Cornwell makes a case in Hitler's Pope that is very difficult to refute. -- The New York Times Book Review

Scathing... the feud over Pius XII is likely to intensify. -- Time --This text refers to the Paperback edition.

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The “explosive” (The New York Times) bestseller—now with a new introduction by the author

When Hitler ’s Pope , the shocking story of Pope Pius XII that “redefined the history of the twentieth century” (The Washington Post ) was originally published, it sparked a firestorm of controversy both inside and outside the Catholic Church. Now, award-winning journalist John Cornwell has revisited this seminal work of history with a new introduction that both answers his critics and reaffirms his overall thesis that Pius XII, now scheduled to be canonized by the Vatican, weakened the Catholic Church with his endorsement of Hitler—and sealed the fate of the Jews in Europe.

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About the Author
John Cornwell is in the department of history and philosophy of science at Cambridge University. He is a regular feature writer at the Sunday Times (London) and the author and editor of four books on science, including The Power to Harm, on the Louisville Prozac trial, as well as Hitler’s Pope, Hitler’s Scientists, and Breaking Faith.
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Posted: Dec 29, 2009 11:01am
Dec 29, 2009
Ziad Fazah, Lebanese:
59 Languages

Albanian, Amharic, Arabic, Armenian, Azeri, Bengali, Bulgarian, Burmese, Cambodian, Cantonese, Czech, Danish, Dutch, Cypriot, Dzongkha, English, Fijian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hebrew, Hindi, Hungarian, Icelandic, Indonesian, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Kyrgyz, Lao, Malagasy, Malay, Maltese, Mandarin, Mongolian, Nepali, Norwegian, Papiamento, Pashto, Persian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Singapore Colloquial English, Sinhalese, Spanish, Swahili, Swedish, Tajik, Thai, Tibetan, Turkish, Urdu, Uzbek, Vietnamese and Wu

Giuseppe Caspar Mezzofanti, Italian:
28 Languages:

English, Welsh, Scottish Gaelic, German, Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, Coptic, Armenian, Persian, Turkish, Maltese, Ancient Greek, Modern Greek, Latin, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, French, Swedish, Danish, Dutch, Illyrian, Russian, Polish, Czech, Hungarian and Chinese

Muhammad Hamidullah, Pakistani:
22 Languages

Urdu, Arabic, French, English, etc. He learned Thai at the age of 84. (No source on the other languages)

Alexander Arguelles, American:
58 Languages

English, Middle English, Old English (Anglo-Saxon); German, Middle High German, Old High German; Dutch, Middle Dutch, Afrikaans; Frisian; Gothic; Icelandic, Old Norse, Faroese; Norwegian (Nynorsk), Norwegian (Bokmål), Danish, Swedish, Old Swedish, Latin; Romanian; Italian; Occitan (Provençal); Catalan; Spanish; Portuguese; French, Old French, Russian; Ukranian; Polish; Czech (Slovak); Serbocroatian (Bosnian); Bulgarian (Macedonian); Old Church Slavonic, Irish Gaelic, Scots Gaelic, Manx Gaelic, Old Irish; Breton, Cornish, Welsh, Middle Welsh, Ancient Greek, Modern Greek, Sanskrit; Hindi, Urdu, Persian, Modern Standard Arabic, Levantine Arabic, Korean, Japanese, Mandarin Chinese, Classical Chinese, Turkish, Swahili et Esperanto

P. V. Narasimha Rao, Indian:
12 Languages

Urdu, Marathi, Kannada, Hindi, Telugu, Oriya, Telugu, English, French, Arabic, Spanish and Persian.

Heinrich Schliemann, German:
13 Languages

English, French, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, Swedish, Italian, Greek, Latin, Russian, Arabic,Turkish and German.

Harold Williams, New Zealand:
58 Languages

Dobuan, dialect of Niue Island, Zulu, Swahili, Hausa, Latin, Ancient Greek, Hebrew, French, German, Spanish, Italian, Māori, Samoan, Tongan, Russian, Polish, Fijian and other Polynesian languages. (Source incomplete) (A Vegetarian I might add )

Emil Krebs, German:
68 Languages and studied 120 other.

Latin, French, Hebrew, Classical Greek, Modern Greek, English, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Polish, Arabic, Chinese, Ainu, Albanian, Arabic, Armenian, Burmese, Chinese, Georgian, Japanese, Javanese, Korean, Afghan, Burmese, Gujarati, Hindi, Irish, Sinhalese, Portuguese, Buryat, Finnish, Tartar, Ukrainian, Basque, Guipuzcoa, Bizcaya, Laburdi, Zubero, German, Krebs, Latin, Manchurian, Mongolian, Nivkh, Persian, Russian, Sanskrit, Syrian, Tibetan, Urdu and Turkish
(Source Incomplete)

Uku Masing, Estonian:
Around 65 Languages

English, Hebrew, Estonian.. (Source Very Incomplete)

Daniel Tammet, The "Autistic Savant", British:
11 Languages

English, French, Finnish, German, Spanish, Lithuanian, Romanian, Estonian, Icelandic, Welsh and Esperanto.

Richard Francis Burton, British:
29 Languages

French, Italian, Neapolitan, Arabic, Latin etc..

Barry Farber, American:
25 Languages

Chinese, English, Finnish, Russian, Bengali, Danish, Dutch, French, German, Hebrew, Hungarian, Indonesian, Italian, Mandarin, Norwegian , Portuguese, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Spanish, Swedish, Yiddish, Bulgarian and Korean

Paul Robeson, American:
12 Languages

English, Chinese, Russian, Yiddish, German, French etc..

İlber Ortaylı, Turkish:
18 Languages

Turkish, Ottoman Turkish, Crimean Tatar, German, Arabic, French, Russian, Persian, Italian, Latin, Greek, Slovakian, Romanian, Serbian, Croatian, Boshnackian and English

J.R.R Tolkien (! ) , English
25 Languages + Invented Languages (Of Middle Earth)

Latin, French, German, Middle English, Old English, Finnish, Gothic, Greek, Italian, Old Norse, Spanish, Welsh, Medieval Welsh, Danish, Dutch, Lombardic, Norwegian, Russian, Swedish, Middle Dutch, Middle High German, Middle Low German, Old High German, Old Slavonic and Lithuanian.

+ Quenya, Sindarin, Adunaic, Numenorean etc..
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Posted: Dec 29, 2009 10:56am
Dec 29, 2009
David Rolfe Graeber (born 12 February 1961) is an American anthropologist and anarchist. On June 15, 2007, Graeber accepted the offer of a lectureship in the anthropology department at Goldsmiths College, University of London, where he currently holds the title of Reader in Social Anthropology. He was an associate professor of anthropology at Yale University, although Yale controversially declined to rehire him, and his term there ended in June 2007. Graeber has a history of social and political activism, including his role in protests against the World Economic Forum in New York City (2002) and membership in the labor union Industrial Workers of the World.


Towards an Anthropological Theory of Value: The False Coin of our Own Dreams
Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology
Constituent Imagination
Lost People: Magic and the Legacy of Slavery in Madagascar
Possibilities: Essays on Hierarchy, Rebellion, and Desire


"Anarchism in the 21st Century" an article by David Graeber and Andrej Grubacic
"The New Anarchists"
"Give it Away" - An article about the French intellectual Marcel Mauss.
"Army of Altruists" - an attempt to solve the riddle of why so many working class Americans vote for the Right.
The Twilight of Vanguardism
On the phenomenology of giant puppets: broken windows, imaginary jars of urine, and the cosmological role of the police in American culture
Rebel Without A God - a meditation on the anti-authoritarian elements of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, reprinted from the December 27, 1998 issue of In These Times
"The Sadness of Post-Workerism" - an assessment of recent trendy "immaterial labor" theory (a la Negri, Lazzarato, etc.), with some comments on the relation of art, value, scams, and the fate of The Future.
"Hope in Common"
"The Shock of Victory"
"Revolution in Reverse"

External links
" In Support of David Graeber by Andrej Grubacic"
"Without Cause: Yale Fires An Acclaimed Anarchist Scholar, an interview with David Graeber by Joshua Frank"
"Solidarity with David Graeber"
"Cirriculum Vitae from above website. Includes Bibliography"

"2005 Curriculum Vitae"
"Audio interview by Indymedia on air radio with David Graeber on anarchism and anthropology."
""Teach Me if You Can" An interview with David Graeber on the Toward Freedom website (21 November 2005)."
""Take it From the Top" A Village Voice interview with David Graeber, (June 6th, 2005)."
""" An interview with David Graeber on the well-known British literary blog, 16/01/2007."
""Anthropologist and More" - An interview on politics and ethnography, May 8th, 2006."
""Behind the News" - Doug Henwood interviews Graeber on Yale, imperialism, and anthropology, December 27, 2007"
""OxMag Interview" on anarchy, capitalism, technology, and consensus process, July 1, 2008"

During his visit to Ireland to give three other lectures on various topics at the University of Dublin and with Amnesty International Noam Chomsky gave this little known discussion with a Libertarian Socialist group. He answers questions on many topics beginning with the relevance and lessons of the Spanish Civil War.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4

A Small Tribute..

~ Hallelujah ~
The Video

Well I heard there was a secret chord
That David played, and it pleased the Lord
But you don't really care for music, do ya?
Well it goes like this
The fourth, the fifth
The minor fall and the major lift
The baffled king composing Hallelujah

Well Your faith was strong but you needed proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew you
she tied you to her kitchen chair
And she broke your throne and she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah

Well baby I've been here before
I've seen this room and I've walked this floor
I used to live alone before I knew ya
I've seen your flag on the marble arch
Love is not a victory march
It's a cold and it's a broken Hallelujah

Well there was a time when you let me know
What's really going on below
But now you never show that to me do you?
And remember when I moved in you?
And the holy dove was moving too
And every breath we drew was Hallelujah

Well maybe there's a God above
But all I've ever learned from love
Was how to shoot somebody who'd OUT DREW YA
And it's not a cry that you hear at night
It's not somebody who's seen the light
It's a cold and it's a broken Hallelujah



I- The Cynosure

■ 1- Michael Bakunin

Collected Works

■ 2- William Godwin

Collected Works

■ 3- Emma Goldman

Collected Works

■ 4- Peter Kropotkin

Collected Works

■ 5-Errico Malatesta

Collected Works

■ 6- Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

Collected Works

■ 7- Max Stirner

Collected Works

■ 8- Noam Chomsky

Collected Works

■ 9- Other Anarchists

Stephen Pearl Andrews
Peter Arshinov
Francisco Ascaso
Ba Jin
Alexander Berkman
Marie Louise Berneri
Randolph Bourne
Paul Brousse
John Cage
Voltairine De Cleyre
Daniel Cohn-Bendit
Karl Diehl
Sam Dolgoff
Buenaventura Durruti
Giuseppe Fanelli
Sébastien Faure
Francisco Ferrer
Elizabeth Gurley Flynn
Luigi Galleani
Paul Goodman
Daniel Guérin
Hippolyte Havel
Big Bill Haywood
Gustav Landauer
Gaston Leval
Ricardo Flores Magon
Nestor Makhno
G. P. Maximoff
Albert Meltzer
Louise Michel
Octave Mirbeau
Federica Montseny
Johann Most
Max Nettlau
Juan Garcia Oliver
Albert Parsons
Lucy Parsons
Rose Pesotta
Herbert Read
Elisée Reclus
Rudolph Rocker
Bertrand Russell
Sacco and Vanzetti
Lysander Spooner
Leo Tolstoy
Carlo Tresca
Benjamin R. Tucker
Josiah Warren
Colin Ward
George Woodcock

II- Cold Off The Presses

■ 1- Pamphlets

"Cold Off The Presses" is a growing collection of classic anarchist pamphlets and journals. Click on a cover to open the issue.

C. Berneri, Kropotkin:His Federalist Ideas
Volairine de Cleyre: Anarchism and American Traditions
Emma Goldman, The Place of: the Individual in Society
Peter Kropotkin, The State: Its Historic Role
Peter Kropotkin, The Wage System
Peter Kropotkin, War!
Peter Kropotkin, Freedom Pamphlet #4
Peter Kropotkin, Law and Authority
Gaston Leval, Collectives in Spain
Liberty, December 1907
G.P. Maximoff, Syndicalists in the Russina Revolution
Wm. C. Owen, Anarchism versus Socialism
Isaac Puente, Libertarian Communism
Max Nettlau Responsibility And Solidarity in the labor struggle
Elisée Reclus, Evolution and Revolution
Rudolf Rocker, The Tragedy in Spain
Harry Kelley: An Appreciation By Hippolyte Havel
Alexander Trachtenberg, The Paris Commune

■ 2-Periodicals


III- Anarchism History

Worldwide Movements
First International
Paris Commune
Haymarket Massacre
Spanish Civil War

Ok well this is actually weird and I prefer to warn you right away lol..
I'm going to speak about the positive effects of Fantasy stories. Especially, in my case, of
Harry Potter and The Lord Of The Rings.

(Before you read this. Know that the author of The lord of the Rings is called J.R.R Tolkien and that of Harry Potter is called J.K Rowling)

So of course I'm speaking about a personal experience and I have no idea what these 2 stories mean to anyone else. Maybe nothing or maybe as important as they do to me..

Anyway, you see when I was much younger I was a loner (still am of course)..
And being a loner meant to things:

1-I obviously didn't spent much time with friends
2-I was kind of isolated from everyone else, someway or another.

This sounds very negative but I've been thinking about it and talked about it with a friend of mine (mr Joe)..

You see, I consider myself different. Different from everyone else. We're all different of course and no one is exactly the same. But I felt my difference and, in some way, still do.

I used to spent the vast majority of my time doing nothing, absolutely nothing, else but read or watch lord of the rings and harry potter.

I used to read Harry Potter before going to school, think about it while at school and come back from school and read some more. Of course, a real addict. I didn't pretend to do spells or anything. But the world of Hogwarts was on my mind 24/7. It was like I really really wanted to be there. Reality was so horrible/boring to me that I used to go on my bed, close my eyes and imagine myself repeating a random scenario from the story. For example, I was Harry trying to go and save Ginny. Or I was Harry trying to flirt with Hermione (my own scenario :p). When I was about 12-13, the trio of Harry, Ron and Hermione followed me everywhere! If the movies didn't come out and burst my bubble. I'm pretty sure I could have actually convinced myself that they really existed.

Now Lord of the Rings. Anyone who was in my classes during my Ain Najm years (my first school) and knows me at least 1% knows that I was an unbelievable Lord of the Rings freak. The movies more than the book as I was a little young to really understand the books.
Check out my old website (still exists) and notice the theme lol (and the name of course !)

I learned the Elvish Alphabet! (forgot it now) and used to know how to speak in full sentences like a real Rivendell Elf!

Rivendell and the Shire were, along with Hogwarts, my dream places. It was like I actually planned on going there sometime in the future!
I must have seen the 3 movies at least 100 times! and I'm not exaggerating!
and read the harry potter books also 100 times! and Again, not exaggerating at all..

So what's positive about this? All we can see is a geeky kid (which I of course was) who is literally obsessed with two fantasy books. Well guess what? I actually grew up quicker than anyone I know thanks to these two stories and, most importantly, I was able to successively escape from the process of adapting to society. A process that everyone my age goes trough ...

I never followed fashion, never though positively about the idiotic Lebanese politics, never tried to impress girls with my muscles (which I had lol) and, most importantly, never tried to be someone else! I had my moments of weakness of course but they are very few.
Why? Fashion didn't exist in the Tolkien World or in Hogwarts! And it was stupid for an Elf to try and be a Hobbit! (which is true in real life as well).. And who needs to impress girls with muscles when one has a magic wand?

lol I know this is very weird. But everything about me that you might know right now. As in a Buddhist, a Vegetarian, an Anarchist and a Poet is the direct/indirect result of my being addicted to these two stories. They were part of me and I was part of the stories!

It's still weird to explain but some how I'm convinced of this. I don't know how it affected my future Buddhism, future Vegetarianism or future Anarchism but all I know is that it did.

For the Poet part, there's no doubt about it. Words come very easily when I write. Whether English or French. I simply get a pencil (or on the pc) and write ten pages of poems without a draft or anything. That's because my imagination got bigger through the years.. And how? Yes..
Nothing else but lord of the rings and Harry Potter made my imagination that way. I literally owe my poems and, to a larger extent, my spirituality to two simple but powerful stories!
The many languages and the genius world that Tolkien invented will still impress me until my very last breath. The great familiarity of Rowling's Characters and the simple and beautiful world she created will do the same..

You see, when I try and remember my past. I tend to always think of LotR and HP. Before even thinking of my friends or my past dogs. So I guess it's the fact that I was able to escape (And what an escape!) from the madness of society that - I think - I was able to speak with people from unbelievably different cultures as if I always knew them! It was impossible for me to be a racist or a xenophobic or an anti-Semite or anything cruel.. I just couldn't.. and I'm dead serious when I say that it was thanks to these two stories. Not the Bible, not the Qur'an... But actual fantasy books!
There was no room in my mind for hatred or for other Voldemort-like thoughts! lol

It's fun to rethink of past events that affect my present way of thinking.. For example, when I was small I used to get angry to the utmost level anytime I hear support for Hitler. Why?
Hitler hated Jews and Hitler killed Jews, right?
Well Voldemort hated Muggles and Voldemort killed Muggles.

I could never understand how some friends of mine were anti-Semite. It was like - subconsciously - I felt I was harry trying to defend the muggles. Trying to convince the wizards that Muggles are our equal! That must have been how it went in my head and I love the funny sound that is associated with it

If I become some famous intellectual when I grow up and I'm asked: "What was your first inspiration?", I'll answer: "Albus Dumbledore" and I'm very serious..

Before the Dalai Lama, before Buddha and before Krishnamurti.
Fictional characters allowed me to see reality. How's that for a weird story?

That's it for now.. ! This is just a thought. I have to think more deeply about it because I'm really convinced that anything *special* that I'm able to do is related to Harry Potter of the Lord of the Rings.

Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

I Solemnly Swear that I Am up to no Good
Mischief Managed!

Hannon le (thank you)

The Shire
The Shire
The Shire
The Shire
Albus Dumbledore
Albus Dumbledore
Hermione, Harry and Ron
Hermione, Ron and Harry
It started over a comment I made on a friend's status, and it became all of this:

Brian: wants to make up new words to describe God's greatness, english is getting played out ... haha. 12:26pm


Joey Ayoub at 12:31pm February 1
How about "Aabd loving" ?

Brian M. Williams at 12:34pm February 1
if it's good it's God ! ahaha

Joey Ayoub at 12:35pm February 1
Nope, it means "Slave"

Brian M. Williams at 12:36pm February 1
im lost... but i'm a slave to His love.. so maybe it could work haha

Joey Ayoub at 12:37pm February 1
I did mean it in a bad way but I figured you'd respond that way..
Love needs no slave

Brian M. Williams at 12:38pm February 1
I'll just say JESUS... his beautiful name emcompasses it all... the message of the cross, the power ofth eressurection, and th emercy of the restoration... BEAUTIFUL JESUS! worthy of our lives.. the one who made us to love us, and to share with us.. What a GREAT LOVE is JESUS !

Joey Ayoub at 12:40pm February 1
Why ? Ever since I set myself free from any sort of belief system, including Christianity of course, I've been feeling the purest form of compassion I've ever felt. I can't hate anyone or anything.. Don't need a supernatural entity to teach me that.

Brian M. Williams at 12:45pm February 1
Whoever loves is born of God. you areright we do not need a supernatural entity to teach us love from a human perspective. But to TRULY love it must come from God. His love is more than respect for people and kindness. God's love is sacrificing your life for undeserving sinners, which I am. God's love is hating that which hinders true love. God hates, because God loves. God hates anything that blocks True love from your heart.
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Posted: Dec 29, 2009 10:44am
Dec 29, 2009

Earthlings is a 2003 multi-award winning documentary written, produced and directed by Shaun Monson and co-produced by Persia White. The film was narrated by Hollywood actor and animal rights activist Joaquin Phoenix. Earthlings also features an original score by musician and activist Moby.
Earthlings is a documentary about mankind's dependence on animals for pets, food, clothing, entertainment, and use in experimentation.

Phoenix has commented on the documentary that "Of all the films I have ever made, this is the one that gets people talking the most. For every one person who sees Earthlings, they will tell three."
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Dec 29, 2009
I- Vegetarianism is not healthy/Our Bones Need meat

A: "I was told that my diet was so poor that I could not repair the bones that were broken and operated on. So I have just had an Xradiograph taken; and lo! perfectly mended solid bone so beautifully white that I have left instructions that, if I die, a glove stretcher is to be made of me and sent to you as a souvenir."

* George Bernard Shaw , Letter to Mrs.Patrick Campbell

II- Animals Were created by God to be eaten

A: "The Animals, you say, were “sent” For man’s free use and nutriment. Pray, then, inform me, and be candid, Why came they aeons before man did, To spend long centuries on earth Awaiting their Devourer’s birth? Those ill-timed chattels, sent from Heaven, Were, sure, the maddest gift e’er given – “Sent” for man’s use (can man believe it?) When there was no man to receive it!"

* Henry Stephens Salt, The Sending of the Animals

III- You need meat to live longer

A: "The average age of a meat-eater is 63. I am on the verge of 85 and still at work as hard as ever. I have lived quite long enough and am trying to die; but I simply cannot do it. A single beef-steak; would finish me; but I cannot bring myself to swallow it. I am oppressed with a dread of living forever. That is the only disadvantage of vegetarianism"

* George Bernard Shaw , American Vegetarian

IV- What if you were on a lonely Island...

A: "Vegans and vegetarians are commonly baited by nonvegetarians with “what if” scenarios that typically have no relevance to or bearing on most people’s real-life situations."

* Joanne Stepaniak, M.S. Ed., Being Vegan

A2: " [When asked what he would eat if he was in a desert with no food in sight except a cow ] I'd find out what the cow was eating and join it."

* Benjamin Zephaniah

V- Meat has nutritional Values

A: "First, how do you prove that mankind is invested with the right of killing them, and that brutes have been created for the purpose you assert them to be? Secondly, it is to be observed that the flesh of man himself possesses the same nourishing and palatable qualities? Are we then to become cannibals for that reason? "

* Lewis Gompertz (1779-1861), Moral Inquiries

VI- Humans are natural meat-eaters

A: "Here's a test you can try at home: put a two-year-old in a playpen with an apple and a rabbit. If it plays with the apple and eats the rabbit, you've got a carnivore."

* Dan Piraro

VII- If we don't eat animals, they'll overrun us!

A: "Opposers of compassion urge: 'If we should live on vegetable food, what shall we do with our cattle? What would become of them? They would grow so numerous they would be prejudicial to us - they would eat us up if we did not kill and eat them!' But there is abundance of animals in the world whom men do not kill and eat; and yet we hear not of their injuring mankind, and sufficient room is found for their abode. Horses are not usually killed to be eaten, and yet we have not heard of any country overstocked with them. [...] Because some [animals] have no compassion, feeling, or reason, are we to possess no compassion, feeling, or reason?"

* George Nicholson (1760 - 1825), Remarks on defenses of flesh-eating

VIII - It's part of the Natural Order that there are predators and preys

A: "Quite rightly, we do not normally take the behaviour of animals as a model for how we may treat them. We would not, for example, justify tearing a cat to pieces because we had observed the cat tearing a mouse to pieces. Carnivorous fishes don’t have a choice about whether to kill other fish or not. They kill as a matter of instinct. Meanwhile, humans can choose to abstain from killing or eating fish and other animals. Alternatively, the argument could be made that is part of natural order that there are predators and prey, and so it cannot be wrong for us to play our part in this order. But this “argument from nature” can justify all kinds of inequities, including the rule of men over women and leaving the weak and the sick to fall by the wayside. "

* Peter Singer, The Ethics of What We Eat: Why Our Food Choices Matter

IX - Vegetarianism/Veganism makes you weak

A: "[W]e were selling books, and right next to us was an old man. I mean, he had to be about 80 years old, and he was a nutritionist, but he was a holistic nutritionist, and he was talking to us about how you shouldn’t really eat animals and things of that nature ... and he pulled up his shirt and the man had the abs of a 15-year-old. He says to us, "Touch ’em. Punch me,"—whatever—and he’s like, "How old do you think I am?" And we thought he was about 50 years old, and he’s like, "I’m 86 years old." ... We looked at each other, me and my friends, and we were, like, when we’re 86, we want to be like that .... So that’s what started it." – Jeru the Damaja

X- Vegetarianism is not a Good diet

A: "Vegetarians have the best diet. They have the lowest rates of coronary disease of any group in the country ... they have a fraction of our heart attack rate, and they have only 40 percent of our cancer rate." — William Castelli, M.D., director of the Framingham Heart Study, the longest-running clinical study in medical history

XI - Vegetarianism is Impracticable

A: " One of the objections frequently brought against vegetarianism is that it is a beautiful theory, but on the working of which is impracticable, since it is supposed that a man cannot live without devoring dead flesh. That objection is irrational, and is founded upon ignorance or preversion of facts. I am myself an example of its falsity; for I have lived without the pollution of flesh food-without meat, fish or fowl-for the last thirty-eight years, and I not only still survive, but have been during all the time in remarkably good health. Nor am I in any way peculiar in this, for I know some thousands of others who have done the same thing. ." – C.W. Leadbeater, Vegetarianism and Occultism, 1913, p. 3

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Posted: Dec 29, 2009 10:31am
Dec 29, 2009
Horses can be ridden, they are harnessed, raced and driven
And dogs are our friends, or so we say.
But gentle cows and sheep are only good for meat
And chickens kept alive for eggs they lay.

Cats in our collection give solace and affection,
Their social graces mystify and charm.
On the farm you will find creatures of a different kind,
Their living deaths endured in darkened barn.

If piglets had their druthers they would not leave their mothers,
Nor goats forsake their kids and walk away.
Ostriches and emus would rather not be on the menu
And buffalo would roam the plains today.

It is rather a conundrum why these facts are seen as humdrum
While animals are raised in pain and fear.
They're not recognized as pets so we'll have no regrets
As they forfeit precious lives that none revere.

Cows may be labeled cattle as though they're goods and chattel
And hogs are really piggies in disguise.
Change their names, forget their faces, wipe away the traces
But remember the betrayal in their eyes.

- Ann Wilson

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Posted: Dec 29, 2009 10:27am
Dec 29, 2009
Can You Tell Me The Difference Between Man's Best Friend And Man's Best Flesh?

Yes, I'm Looking for the difference between the First Two Pictures and the Second Two Pictures ..

Think deeply about it

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\\nAndrew Cameron, Facilitator: There is a perceived tension between otter conservationists and anglers. The purpose of this conference is to\\r\\n\\r\\n\\nDetermin e whether this tension is real, and if so, how widespread it is, both geographically and acro...
by Paul Y.
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Our new cub has been named Willow - the name was suggested by our friend and long-term supporter, Joan Charles, and he is certainly gorgeous, isn\\\'t he.
by Paul Y.
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Bubble and Squeak two new otters arrived at the sanctuary.Take a look at