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Everyone understands the meaning of going Dutch.  It usually means that on a date, you split the cost, rather than having one person pay for the whole thing. 

Anyway, I have some conservative friends, some who are quite intelligent, well spoken, and are good people in every way.  I got this email from one of my conservative friends who is NOT so smart, nor well spoken, though I think he means well (though I wouldn’t always bet on it&hellip.  This email is definitely NOT about sharing the cost of anything.

So, I’m wondering if this means that we are to split the blame, or, if like me, you seem to think that this does sound a bit paranoid extreme?

Let’s Go Dutch
Let’s Go With the Dutch – but why wait until 2013?
The Netherlands , where six per cent of the population is now Muslim, is scrapping multiculturalism:

The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants to create a parallel society within the Netherlands ..

A new integration bill, which Dutch Interior Minister Piet Hein Donner presented to parliament on June 16, reads:
“The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model and plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people.

In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role.”

With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society.

The letter continues: “A more obligatory integration is justified because the government also demands that from its own citizens.

It is necessary because otherwise the society gradually grows apart and eventually no one feels at home anymore in the Netherlands ..
The new integration policy will place more demands on immigrants.
For example, immigrants will be required to learn the Dutch language and the government will take a tougher approach to immigrants who ignore Dutch values or disobey Dutch law.”

The government will also stop offering special subsidies for Muslim immigrants because, according to Donner; “It is not the government’s job to integrate immigrants.”
(How bloody true).

The government will introduce new legislation that outlaws forced marriages and will also impose tougher measures against Muslim immigrants who lower their chances of employment by the way they dress. More specifically, the government will impose a ban on face-covering, Islamic burqas as of January 1, 2013.

Holland has done that whole liberal thing, and realized – maybe too late – that creating a nation of tribes will kill the nation itself.

The future of Australia , the United States , UK and Canada may well be read here.

NOTE: Muslim immigrants leave their countries of birth because of civil and political unrest “CREATED BY THE VERY NATURE OF THEIR CULTURE.”

Countries such as Holland , Canada , the UK and Australia have an established way of life that actually works, so why embrace the unworkable?

If Muslims do not wish to accept another culture, the answer is simple; “STAY WHERE YOU ARE!!” “Or go back to where you were!”

Only 86% will send this on. Should be a 100%.
Then I hate the way they misuse this quote:
“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.” ~ Thomas Jefferson
Thing is, it’s definitely written by someone who is uneducated, because with all of the misspelled words,  as well as redundant phrases, it sounds like a hickabilly drop out that wrote it.  So, here is what I wrote back.
Who comes up with this uneducated stuff?  Islamic Muslims? Is that like Christianity Christian?  I find it highly uneducated to even consider taking it seriously.
So he tells me this:
It’s people like you that the muslims are counting on.
I went off, because, he’s lumping them all as one, and well, it’s this simple minded paranoid hate that gets me irritated to no end:
Nope.  The hateful people on the planet, regardless of religion, race, ethnic background, etc
will be evil and hateful.  It’s ignorance of those who lump all people of similar descent together as a
group of people to be ostracized or exterminated are the ones that are keeping hate as a lifestyle aside.
It’s one thing to hold the criminals accountable.  But, it’s the type of thinking that says all Germans are Nazis;
or all Italians are mafia pimping mobster; All Jewish are greedy, money brubbing bastards; including all Muslims
are not to be treated as sub human are all ways that the hate stays alive.

I’m not saying that if a person who is acting in illegal capacities should be let go.  I am saying that you CAN’T assume
that just because someone is a Muslim or Hispanic, that these people must be terrorists or illegal alien just spreads the
crap around further.

If someone is going to try to convince me that I should have some contempt toward a group of people, they should not send me something that is a cutesy-cutsey way of uneducated bigotry.  “Islamic Muslim” = “Christianity Christian” = redundant.

Being a Muslim is part of the earthly culture.  Terrorism is a terrible crime.  To equate the two is paranoia, a mental illness.  If you insist on being hateful because of this, you’re not friend of mine.

This reminds me of the people who lived through WWII, upon finding out that I am half Japanese, called me unAmerican and freedom hater, even though I am half American myself, and I wasn’t even born during the war…  So, why blame me for something I had nothing to do with because of some stupid thinking that because one person in the Government decided to go against Nazi Germany to wake the sleeping giant, that every person of Japanese descent must be anti-American is just plain absurd paranoia.  This hate that you have toward all Muslims is sharing that same sentiment.  If you don’t understand this, then you don’t understand me as a person.  In that  case, you are not my friend.  I am sorry.

And oh, the hurt!  (Not really, but, this guy happens to be a drama queen).
WOW – there you go again like you use to do in the blogs. Taking an extreem position after making an extreem statement that is an extreem distortion. Who mentioned ‘hate’ other than you. I sent you a fact message and you are ignoring the facts of what muslims ARE doing all over the world. Take your head out of the sand – friend. Stating facts is NOT hatred.
Excuse me?  I made extreme statements and made an extreme statement?  A fact message about 4 possible countries, 2 in Europe and supposedly 2 here in North America, and this is happening in the whole world? Um…  Okay.
I can’t speak for the Dutch.  If you haven’t noticed, the USA is built on multi-culturalism.  To scrap it here means you disrespect the fact.

The fact that you’re not saying certain factions, this “fact message” about what “Muslims are doing all over the world’ is an extreme stance, to which you grant no
exceptions.  THAT is putting your head in the stand.  Go ahead, talk about how all Muslims are evil, and how Islam should be restricted some how.  This is the republican
rhetoric that is bat crap crazy, imo.

The facts are, there are no government subsidies specifically for Muslims, outside of the Muslim countries.  The Government has never integrated immigrants from the
beginning.  Here is a page with 3 links about the tax breaks for Muslims being false, here in the USA –

Please read it all, not just the seen exerpt, where you will see that the first on is false, and the second is probably false.  The third one, well, there’s some true, some false, it’s mixed, and it looks pretty damning about Hilary, but, she’s a big girl and can account for herself, so I won’t make excuses for her.

Yes, SOME Muslims are bad.  So are we, as Christians bad, because of the Westboro Baptist Church and the Phelps family are such bad bigots?  Or that all of us Christians are bad because of the Holy Wars in Eastern Europe?  Oh, this is different?  No.  All Muslims are evil in the same way that all Christians are.  You can’t judge the whole faith off of one group of people.  That is common sense, not sticking my head in the sand.  If you want to lump all of one group together, you’re the one that needs to take your head out of the sand.

This isn’t about extreme position.  This is about reality.  The original story is not fact, it’s trying to be cute about spreading rhetoric that’s only partially true.

But, of course, I’m still the one who doesn’t “get it”…  As if?

Now come on Lika – read it again – “Muslims are doing all over the world’ “.  Do you see the words ‘all muslims’ in there, yet that is what you are implyingt I said. They are trying to establish sharia law thru out the world including a city right here in Michagan. These are facts.

Facts?  All over the world?  I read it again, it states that it’s happening in the Netherlands, the UK, Australia and Canada.  Okay, so these 4 countries are the whole world?  Really?    I really don’t know why I try helping this guy understand reality.  It’s sad.  Maybe I’m a basket case for wanting to see things improve with his logic skills?  But, then again, it’s not like I don’t run out of steam…  So, I tell him this:

You do realize that it’s ridiculous to think that anyone would be successful here in the USA to try to enforce Sharia law?  Our Constitution, which is an awesome document, in
it’s bill of rights, states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” – it also means that with the freedom
that comes with that free exercise of, comes the responsibilities that no religion will enforce power onto the government creating a religious politics either?

Just because the Dutch were dumb enough to allow for some of that to happen, and then now has to fight it off, well, here in the USA, as barbaric as we may be in some way
or another, it just won’t happen here.  I have faith in the American people and our U.S. Government (however corrupt or not it may be) that this will NEVER succeed.  American
women won’t have it, and, I believe liberal and conservative alike would join forces to ensure that it won’t.

And, seriously?  The Muslims aren’t doing it in Hungary, nor are they doing it in Japan.  It’s not happening in  Russia (where most people are Catholic), nor is it happening in
China (where most people are Buddhist), so saying that one city in Michigan, UK, and Canada, does NOT constitute “all over the world”.  That’s such a huge exaggeration, I
still cannot take it seriously.

On top of which, it reads like a Louisiana pig farmer wrote it, with all of the spelling errors, redundant phrases, etc…  MC, I know you’re smarter than that.  I’m just asking that if
you’re going to send me something of that sort, to please make sure it has some validity in it by being written in an intelligent way, not from a swampy bumpkin.

So, what YOU think?  Is he right for thinking that this email is true, or am I nuts for even talking to his person?  Let me know what you think…  Curious minds want to know.

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