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Mary B said,"Do folks really get paid for commenting negatively here?....I have noticed that there are a handful who repeat the same negative diatribe over and over..(In fact it's almost like a script)"

Yup, YOU GOT IT, Kid! The KOCH BROTHERS, with their endlessly deep pockets, are PAYING THE TROLLS. Who are definitely NOT wanted here, and they know it!
A while ago, a C2 member {who is no longer with C2}, WENT TO THE RNC SITE, and showed us how to get there, and we actually SAW the Talking Points Of The Day, posted on the RNC site! {Since then, it is not possible for us to access that site any more!}
The PURPOSE of the Trolls and their DISRUPTIVE TACTICS, is to CREATE A NEGATIVE ATMOSPHERE. Sort of a "Plague On Both Your Houses!" thing. To LESSEN THE ENTHUSIASM FOR GOING TO THE POLLS. That is the "why" of their CURRENT "Lesser of two Evils" talk the Trolls are INSTRUCTED to make.

{If THAT falls flat on its face, as did the "I voted for Obama but am now voting for Romney" schtick - as so many pointed out, the REPUGS by the hundreds, are now voting for OBAMA this time around! - if that tactic BOMBS, then be assured the Koch brothers and their professional admen and propagandists, will come up with another goodie -- and ALL THE TROLLS WILL FALL INTO LOCKSTEP BEHIND THAT LITTLE NUMBER!!!}

They are NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE US. Just to make us SICK OF THE WHOLE THING. So we might be too "tired of it all" to get out and GET OUR FRIENDS TO VOTE TOO!

Photos Show Rape of Iraqi Women
by US Occupation Forces

[Note: FAKE photos, PROVED fakes, are being used by the govt in an attempt to DIS-CREDIT the REAL photos that have surfaced, and will surface in future.] [The following photograph, horrifying and disgusting as it is, appears to be a FAKE, a mere pretense; as the uniforms on the soldiers are all wrong, etc.] [So, if you are going to be offended, then be offended for the right reasons! At least good taste, rather than someone's Human Rights, are the standards being violated here!] [The gross anti-Semitism of the following paragraph, is something that the govt, and not any other entity, appears to be responsible for, in its propaganda department. It would under ordinary circumstances be a huge turnoff, unsympathetic; and that is in fact its purpose, strategically placed by the photographs. Makes the ordinary person think even more, "There is something fishy about these pics." That is what you are supposed to think: "These pics are FAKE." Which, of course, they are. But, next, you are being sub-consiously MANIPULATED to think, "Well, if these awful rape pictures are fake, showing fake American troops; then, therefore ALL pictures of American troops committing rapes, torture and atrocities, must be fake, too! Wow! Whatta relief! To "know" that American troops never commit no rapes and no atrocities never!!!!! ] [This makes for a real "Mind-fu*k"!] [It is of course entirely possible, that many of the sources picking up on these fake photos, did so not catching on to the fact that as journalists, they were being USED to spread U.S.govt DIS-INFORMATION! The more that happened, the happier the govt psy-ops got!]

(Please Note: Many of the photographs showing the rape of Iraqi women and the sodomization of Iraqi POW's at the Abu Ghraib prison are now at USA pornographic websites pointing to the possibility of collusion between the depraved US soldiers in the pictures and US based Jewish pornographers. Many of these photographs were also freely disseminated to US occupation forces, perhaps to inflame their nefarious desires and to motivate them to strike out against the Iraqi populace in these perverse ways.)

by Ernesto Cienfuegos
La Voz de Aztlan

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"The suggestion that the photos are real is, of course, ludicrous. While some of the select still shots appear dramatic and disturbing, the videos from which the still shots were taken give ample evidence that all participants were willing and that this was a porn shoot replete with high-school level acting skills and, in one case, a pseudo-disco porn soundtrack.

The only English spoken in the movies is the obligatory, "Oh, yeah." Two of the films feature "soldiers" speaking phrases in French and German. In addition, the uniforms have no insignia, the "soldiers" wear jungle camouflage and face paint, instead of desert camouflage. The helmets are not authentic, nor are the T-shirts or shoes.

One Internet blogger laughingly pointed out that one soldier's weapon was a paintball gun, and another one noted the ever-present "porn blanket" that appeared in every scene. One observer commented that the acrobats from Cirque du Soleil would have difficulty figuring out the moves involved in these multiple-partner performance shots.
The films are set in Budapest, not Iraq.
Some of Marchand's still shots were carried on an American site called "Iraq Babes."

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Photos Show Rape of Iraqi Women

World  (tags: Rape Iraqi Women US troops pictures )

Uhoud
- 17 days ago - aztlan.net

Photos Show Rape of Iraqi Women

Whether those photos are real or faked; the RAPES described in WORDS, are REAL.
Whether THOSE photos are real or faked; they are LIKE photographs members of Congress have actually SEEN, that have NOT BEEN RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC, YET. ASK your Members of Congress, about them! {They probably aren't allowed to tell!}

Whether those photograph are real or fake, Members of the American Military, yes, the Former Boy or Girl Next Door, as young and guileless as Lynndie Englund, ARE PARTICIPATING IN RAPES AND TORTURES, ORDERED BY THE HIGHER-UPS; all the way up to the SECRETARY OF DEFENSE.

American soldiers ARE INDEED, RAPING, IMPREGNATING, AND IN SOME CASES MURDERING, their own female fellow-soldiers.
They ARE deliberately torturing and destroying helpless ANIMALS.
You are only getting a TINY TIP OF THE ICEBERG, of what is REALLY going on!

Yes, there ARE Iraqi women, children, and young boys, IN AMERICAN-RUN PRISONS in Iraq. Yes, they ARE being tortured -- often, to "soften up" their menfolk and parents, to force them to "talk".
THIS HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED. RELEASED PRISONERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT. There appeared last week, on the TV show FRONTLINE -- INTERVIEWS with former prisoners -- many of whom are EDUCATED and SPEAK PERFECTLY GOOD ENGLISH, and don't need translators! They have HEARD WOMEN SCREAMING thru their cell walls......NOT FAKE! and have NIGHTMARES about it STILL....... wouldn't YOU?

I believe that the FAKE SITE, could have been SET UP BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, on PURPOSE in order to DISCREDIT the REAL STORIES. Together with that fake anti-Semitism. To discredit the site even more. The site, I believe, was SET UP IN THAT WAY, with the FAKE AND INACCURATE COSTUMES; so that, in future, when the REAL pictures were FINALLY shown, people in ADVANCE, would HAVE A REASON FOR DIS-BELIEVING THEM.

The U.S. Government, will do ANYTHING, just ANYTHING, to GET THEMSELVES OFF THE HOOK.
World Opinion, however, KNOWS, that, U.S. Govt-sponsored FAKE PORN SITE or no Fake Porn Site; the U.S. Govt. IS GUILTY AS SIN.
This slimey little trick of theirs, setting up THEIR OWN GOVT INTERNET OBVIOUSLY-FAKED WILLING-TO-BE-DISCOVERED-FAKE PORN SITE, will NOT WORK, NEVER, NEVER, EVER, in the eyes of the ENTIRE WORLD.

I believe that with OBAMA now as President, THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WILL STOP SPENDING TAXPAYERS' MONEY TO SET UP ITS OWN FAKED RAPE PICTURE SITES TO COVER UP THE REAL PRISON RAPE PICTURES. I believe we are COUNTING on Obama, to SHUT DOWN THE PRISONS WHERE THE RAPES AND HUMILIATIONS OF IRAQIS ARE BEING COMMITTED, ENTIRELY. Unlike Bush did, we DO NOT EXPECT PRESIDENT OBAMA TO TRY TO DENY OR TO "JUSTIFY" THE EXISTENCE OF THESE PRISONS AND THESE ATROCITIES. Only the TRUTH, and not FAKERY and LIES, will set us, and the world, free from this nightmare!!!

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Uhoud, it is NOT YOUR FAULT that you were TAKEN IN by this CLEVERLY-FAKED U.S. GOVERNMENT PORN SITE evilly crafted to DISCREDIT YOUR TRUE STORIES. Just be careful from now on -- and WATCH OUT FOR THAT FAKE ANTI-SEMITISM. You are a BRAVE SOUL; keep on reporting TRUTH, my Sister!!!!!

FURTHERMORE: KNOW, THAT I CANNOT PROVE THIS; THAT THE PICTURES IN QUESTION WERE TAKEN FROM A U.S. GOVERNMENT-MANUFACTURED DELIBERATELY-FAKED PORN SITE. HOWEVER, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED DIS-INFORMATION ACTIVITIES AND PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE "BLACK OPS". FOR EXAMPLE, THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAS SET UP MORE-THAN-ONE FAKE "9/11 TRUTHER" INTERNET SITE, COMPLETE WITH THE SAME ANTI-SEMITISM AND OBVIOUSLY-PROVING-FAKE PHOTOS. THE PURPOSE CLEARLY BEING, TO MAKE 9/11 TRUTHERS LOOK LIKE GULLIBLE FOOLS! AND SMEAR THEM ALL, AS BEING MOTIVATED BY RABID ANTI-SEMITISM!

I furthermore believe, that the "Angel H." person who posted SO OFTEN and at SUCH LENGTH under that picture thread, whose logo is a "Pirate Skull" {odd for an "Angel"!}; could be someone who has shilled for the govt here on Care2 before, quite a while ago, under other names, but with a JESTER'S SKULL LOGO. I seem to recognize that person's STYLE characteristics!! It is "intellectual sweet reasonableness" and "being 'willing' to look at both sides", etc. Yeah, insisting on giving "Equal Time" to govt LIES! The govt figures that that is how to "disarm" us "Liberals" -- sneak in the NeoCon agenda, but NEVER ADMIT you are going by a NeoCon script!!!!!!!! Also, the "Walkadelic" person on that thread, seems to be a govt shill. They both try to put forward "sweet reasonableness" and "looking at both sides" and "being fair" and "objectivity". Their statements do not hold up under scrutiny. And, they seem AWFULLY EAGER to REFUTE any Peace point-of-view!!!!!! at great, great, length -- as if they had nothing better to do! {They are BEING PAID.}

This trick of the govt's, DID NOT WORK WITH CARE2 MEMBERS, THE WAY THEY WANTED IT TO!!! We didn't CARE if the pictures were fake, or not! WE KNEW FROM OTHER SOURCES, THAT THE STORIES OF RAPES, WERE REAL! We Care2 members ARE NOT SO EASILY FOOLED!!!!!! into thinking "Well, if these pictures are fake, then, of course, ALL stories of 'our wonderful troops' doing bad things, must also be faked!" WE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US KNEW BETTER THAN THAT; AND SAID SO!

Watch out for that "Pirate Skull" "Angel", and "Walkadelic", on other threads. That "Skull" person, whatever his real name is, and he has gone by Randy and David and other names, seems to associate that "Death's Head" with a kind of a MOCKING SUPERIORITY, as if he is "taking us all in"............

BMutiny T     Barbara