22,392,244 members doing good!
about our ads
share your passions, stories, inspirations, and more
9/11 TRUTHERS AND JEWS/ZIONISTS/ISRAELIS: FACTS OR NONSENSE?
Mar 4, 2008
Dear JohnMichael:
You know what a big Truther I am!
I am considering this very carefully. Asking people to sign their names & addresses, etc.
I have very serious reservations I want to discuss with you.
I would sign in a second, if it weren't for these reservations.
I also have hesitation about asking others to sign, for the same reasons.
Please think about this.

I am Jewish. {Daughter of a Jewish mother.} My grandmother considered herself a Zionist. {Sent some money, not very much, to Zionist organizations to plant trees in Israel.}
I suppose any Jew can be considered as having "dual citizenship" in Israel; since that State has decided to let in any Jewish person as a citizen. {I think. I am not in detail acquainted with that law.Called Haaretz, I believe.}
However, the vast, vast majority of Jewish people I have known, have absolutely no intention of taking advantage of that "free offer". We act as citizens of the country we are living in; as other citizens of that country do.

The only people I could consider as really having, or EXERCISING, their powers of "dual citizenship", are those Americans if there are any, who may spend half their time in the U.S. and half in Israel. {I don't know if there is any point at which the U.S. would revoke the American citizenship, or not. Can they live in Israel and vote in U.S. elections? Can they vote in BOTH country's elections? I don't know. Somehow it seems unlikely........}

Anyway..... in the interview with Matthew Naus. I feel that you give FAR TOO MUCH CREDENCE to the nutty, crazy, crackpot view that ISRAEL IS BEHIND 9/11.
Or rather, that Matthew Naus does. THAT IS WHY I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, WITH HIS PROGRAM OF SIGNING.
It seems too much like an ENDORSEMENT of such nutty, crazy, crackpot views.

Sure, I give you guys credit, YOU DO PRESENT THE OTHER SIDE.
You do present it in the context of, "This is disruptive of the 9/11 Truth Movement".
BUT......BUT you ALSO present it in the context of, "This is a GROWING REALIZATION within the 9/11 Truth Movement".
BECAUSE you have presented those ideas IN THESE CONTEXTS, I feel it is ok, I feel COMFORTABLE with getting this out into GROUPS, getting people to READ what Matthew Naus has to say. They can read and decide for themselves.

However......... I feel like there is sort of a BACK-HANDED ENDORSEMENT of the view, that Israel/Zionists/Jews are behind 9/11.

IF I AM GOING TO PUT MY PRECIOUS NAME ON ANYTHING, AND EVEN MORE, ASK OTHERS TO DO SO: I MUST BE BEHIND MY SIGNATURE 100%.
I keep yelling at people on Care2, who don't READ CAREFULLY the Petitions they put their signatures to!
When this interview is put out into groups, people are smart enuf to JUDGE FOR THEMSELVES.
However, some people would think a] that they should sign this thing because I signed it, and b] that I endorsed ALL the views given, not just SOME of them.

I do not call the view that Israel/Zionists/Jews are behind 9/11, "Anti-Semitic"; name calling doesn't prove anything.
I call it factually WRONG. And provably so.
First of all, it is WRONG AND MISLEADING USE OF LANGUAGE, to conflate Jews/Zionists/Israel/people having this theoretical "dual citizenship".
IT IS WRONG TO LABEL ANY JEWISH PERSON IN THE BUSHCO MIS-ADMINISTRATION, AS HAVING "DUAL CITIZENSHIP". Meaning, by IMPLICATION, that they are AN AGENT OF THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT.

They are no more an "agent" having "citizenship" in Israel, than I or my daughter or any communist, socialist, anarchist, peace demonstrator, etc. etc. etc. who is Jewish by birth {as I am}.
That the Israeli govt welcomes all Jews with open arms {unless they have dark skins!}, DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE THOUSANDS AND MILLIONS OF JEWS ALL OVER THE WORLD, ACTUALLY EVER, EVER EXERCISE THEIR THEORETICAL "Jewish citizenship"; or that any and every Jew in any government anywhere in the world, is an "Agent of Israel".

This feeds into the idea that all us Jews, such as the ones in my family, are part of a vast interconnected network that is "taking over the world". We all have ONE SINGLE AIM!
Come ON!
To even give a PASSING NOD to this CRACKPOT, FACTUALLY WRONG idea, WILL INDEED WRECK THE TRUTH MOVEMENT -- AS IT IS HOLDING IT UP NOW!
Even the most SLIGHT endorsement!
It is exactly like saying "Beings from Outer Space were behind 9/11".

I have no doubt that MOSSAD KNEW SOMETHING.
Maybe MOSSAD KNEW EVERYTHING. MOSSAD doesn't miss much!
That MOSSAD knew, or HOW MUCH they may have known, DOES NOT PROVE MOSSAD WAS BEHIND 9/11.
To be creditable as 9/11 Truthers, WE HAVE TO USE LOGIC AND REASON, AS WELL AS HARD SCIENCE.

The U.S. govt, and the State of Israel, I have no doubt have a lot of common interests; and work together on a lot of things. Both openly and secretly, I have no doubt. So did the U.S. govt and the Shah of Iran.
That did NOT mean there was an "Iran lobby" controlling everything the U.S. govt did! If the U.S. govt wanted to do something CONTRARY to what the Shah's govt wanted, TOUGH SHIT FOR THE SHAH. The exact same thing is true of Musharraf's govt in Pakistan. There may be a "Pakistan Lobby"; but, WE ARE THE BIGGER FISH. WE EAT THE SMALLER FISH IF WE WANT TO.
There must be an "Israel lobby"; but THEY DO NOT CONTROL US. Israel is SMALL compared to us! HOW DO THEY GET THE U.S. GOVT TO DO THEIR WILL -- BY HYPNOTISM????

Yeah, it's those LIZARD MEN really pulling the strings..........

To say it's Israel/Zionists/Jews is a DISTRACTION FROM THE ACTUAL, REAL ISSUES.
To call for an "investigation", one that YOU KNOW WILL NEVER TAKE PLACE IN THIS COUNTRY, AND THEN BLAME THE "ZIONISTS"....... COP-OUT! COP-OUT! COP-OUT!

In fact, it is CAPITALISM that is behind EVERYTHING THE BUSH/CHENEY MIS-ADMINISTRATION DOES. EVERY EVIL DEED. The CAPITALIST SYSTEM that we were taught in school was so wonderful.
The GREED AND SELFISHNESS that are the VALUES OF CAPITALISM, attract THE SUPER-PREDATORS OF EVERY COUNTRY, RACE AND RELIGION.
Evil Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Hindus, Muslims, atheists, etc. etc. etc. Americans, Israelis, Brits....... you get the picture.

To blame 9/11 on a TRADITIONALLY-HATED SCAPEGOAT, is a COP-OUT!
To blame 9/11 on a COUNTRY THAT IS HATED FOR ITS APARTHEID POLICIES, is a COP-OUT!
To blame 9/11, in other words, on SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ALREADY HATE, is a COP-OUT!

You're saying in essence, like a PR man, "They don't hate Capitalism; let's take the EASY WAY OUT and get those on our side WHO ARE READY TO HATE JEWS/ZIONISTS/ISRAEL. We don't have to work so hard at really educating the masses! They're already pre-disposed!"

By the way, "Zionism" is properly, a word for a political movement, a POLICY, of settling Israel with Jews. One may agree or disagree with this POLICY, one may thoroly HATE it, with reasons. However, recognize that IN COMMON SPEECH, AND ON THE INTERNET MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, "ZIONIST" IS AN "ACCEPTABLE" CODE WORD for "sneaky, dirty, untrustworthy, JEW".

As I keep saying and saying and saying: NO JEW, NO MOSSAD AGENT, NO ISRAELI, NOT JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF IF HE WERE RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD, WOULD HAVE THE POWER TO GET "NORAD" TO STAND DOWN.
NORAD, being the MILITARY, ONLY FOLLOWS THE CHAIN-OF-COMMAND. DUH. And, CHENEY WAS AT THE HEAD OF THE CHAIN-OF-COMMAND OF NORAD ON 9/11.
Therefore, ONLY CONCLUSION POSSIBLE: 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB ORCHESTRATED, PLANNED FAR IN ADVANCE BY THE BUSH/CHENEY FAMILIES, BY THE BUSH MIS-ADMINISTRATION.
An international investigation would only CONFIRM THIS FACT.
Bush/Cheney families are POWERFUL ENOUGH that they answer to NO-ONE ELSE. Not a secret conspiracy of "Zionists" or Masons.
IT IS HARD EVEN FOR TRUTHERS TO BELIEVE THAT THEIR GOVT COULD BE SO EVIL.
BUT, IT IS A COP-OUT TO TRY TO INVENT SOME "SUPER-POWER" HIGHER THAN BUSH-CHENEY WHO ARE MANIPULATING THESE POWERFUL PEOPLE LIKE MARIONETTES.

THE BUSH-CHENEY PREDATORS {and their pals and buddies} ARE THE SUPER-PREDATORS YOU WILL FIND AT THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN.
Oh, sure, there are other names and families in there too!
You have seen, haven't you, those websites where it makes all the family cross-connections? Websites where they name names?
I have seen so much 9/11 stuff I have forgotten where I saw lots of it!

I tell you, if Israel were to disappear all at once in one great big atomic blast {or Thunderbolt from God!}, still, NOTHING WOULD CHANGE.
NOTHING IN THE AMERICAN GOVT WOULD CHANGE.

So, Silverstein has a Jewish name and gives money to Jewish charities. And he has this theoretical "dual citizenship", just like my Grandmother theoretically did, SO HE AND MY GRANDMOTHER MUST BE SECRET MOSSAD AGENTS CARRYING OUT MOSSAD INSTRUCTIONS.
For the benefit of WHOM? The present head of the Israeli govt? The party he represents? The Head Rabbi of Russia? The Orthodox Jews? All the Jews in the world? All the Jews in Israel? All the Jewish bankers?
"Reasoning" like THAT, REALLY DOES DISCREDIT THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT, AND MAKES IT AN EVEN MORE UPHILL BATTLE.
 
Again, Silverstein, who could have been Hindu for all the difference it makes, stood to gain mightily from insurance if the towers went down.
THE HEADS OF THE SECURITY COMPANY FOR THE TWIN TOWERS, WERE BUSH'S YOUNGER BROTHER MARVIN BUSH; AND COUSIN WILT WALKER III.
Looks like COLLUSION BETWEEN POWERFUL CAPITALIST PREDATORS, wouldn't you say? and how about those POWERFUL, SUPER-WEALTHY SAUDI CAPITALIST PREDATORS THAT KEEP APPEARING IN THE RECORDS?

COLLUSION. BETWEEN POWERFUL, CORPORATE, CAPITALIST FAMILIES.
Not Lizard-men, FreeMasons, or "Zionists" exercising some kind of "Evil Influence" out of Comic-book iconography.
Hey, how about the "Yellow Peril"? or "International Bolshevism"? those were pretty neat villains for a while!

JohnMichael, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU REPUDIATE THIS STUFF.
PLEASE THINK ABOUT THIS A LOT.

As I said, YOU ARE FAIR TO THE "OTHER SIDE". I DO GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR THAT.

But, THE PART OF THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT, THAT BLAMES OR SORT OF TAKES SIDEWISE SWIPES AT "ZIONISTS" FOR "BEING BEHIND THIS"; THERE IS NO TRUTH TO BE FOUND THERE AT ALL WHATSOEVER. RESEARCH WILL SHOW IT.

I know this is long; and I am appending something you may have read already, most likely.
I think those people who think "Zionists are behind 9/11" can and should be given a HEARING; but, ALWAYS BE REPUDIATED, as I ALWAYS do.
I submit this WITH THE GREATEST RESPECT FOR YOU, JohnMichael.
BMutiny T
[At the bottom of this article, I have added those parts of the interview that I find highly questionable to say the least. I could not in any way associate myself with those things said. For the reasons that I have specified above.]

April 10, 2006

Daryl Bradford Smith had no guest today. He gave one of his typical rants instead. Here are the highlights:

(1) Daryl Bradford Smith asserts that Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe deals with Talmudic history and with the "Frankists," etc. As noted in an earlier post, no where in the book does Koestler mention the name "Jakob Frank." Not once. See the index yourself. [1]

(2) Daryl Bradford Smith takes a lot of time today talking about this new page on his Website. [2] He claims that it is a summary of why he and the coward Eric Hufschmid believe the Mossad carried out the 9/11 attacks. It's perhaps useful to look over their reasons.

(a) The Five Dancing Arabs

It is often claimed that five dancing Israelis -- dressed as Arabs -- were celebrating in New Jersey as the WTC fell down across the river. Hufschmid writes, "The police discovered that they were Israeli army veterans, not Arabs."

Let me say this once again -- every Israeli over age 18 serves in the Army and all men are reservists until age 54. That they were army veterans is, therefore, a moot point at best.

Two links are offered, one to the Washington Post and one to the London Telegraph. But neither story, while talking about Israelis on visas being detained after 9/11, talks about dancing Israelis. The links are there to fool you into thinking that Hufschmid has proof for his claims. If he had proof, he'd offer an article that mentioned these dancing Israelis. He doesn't because he can't..

(b) The Israeli Spy Ring

Let's assume that this is true. Does it prove that the Mossad carried out 9/11? No, it doesn't. All it proves is that Israel spies on us. We spy on Israel. All countries spy on other countries, if they have decent intelligence services. It's no big news that Israel spies on us; that's why Jonathan Pollard is in jail.

(c) Larry Silverstein is a Zionist

Oh, my God! A Jewish guy is a Zionist. Well this particular Jewish guy apparently was the landlord of several of the WTC buildings. What does this prove? Nothing.

(d) Pentagon Cannot Account for $2.6 Trillion

So what? I mean, yes, it's shocking that the Pentagon lost this much money (though they do spend roughly one-eighth that amount per year), but it proves that 9/11 was carried out by the Mossad? No, it doesn't.

(e) The 9/11 Attack Follows a Pattern

Supposedly, the 9/11 attack follows other Israeli military/intelligence operations carried out against the U.S. First of all, the bombing of the King David Hotel by the Irgun was not a hidden attack, nor was it against the U.S. -- it was against the U.K. base of operations in Palestine. As for as it being secret, it was not only did Begin claim responsibility for the attack, but he phoned ahead to let people know the building had a bomb in it.

The Lavon Affair was an attack on the U.S., but it was never approved by the Prime Minster (Moshe Sharrett). It was the individual initiative taken by Yitzhak Lavon, the defense minister, to shore up support for Israel. It was successfully covered up for six-odd years, but the truth ultimately came to light. It is, in fact, the only attack by Israel on the U.S. that was ever carried out purposefully.

The attack on the U.S.S. Liberty was an accident, as noted elsewhere by me.

How Zionist boycotts of Germany are involved in all this, I have no idea. Nowhere in Untermeyer's speech does he say he is doing it to stir up anti-Semitism. Rather, he says he is doing it as a reaction against anti-Semitism. You can read the transcript yourself and see. [3]

So there really is no pattern of Israeli attacks against the U.S.

(f) Israelis Are Suspected of Instigating Fights Even Today in Iraq

Smith and Hufschmid offer no mainstream sources to support this allegation.

(g) The Media is Controlled by Zionists

This would be their answer to my answer to (f) above, I suppose. But still, even if we accept this notion as 100 percent true (and I'm not sure we can -- not even every Jew is a Zionist), does this prove that 9/11 was carried out by the Mossad? No, it does not.

(h) Zionists Have a World-Wide Network

Smith and Hufschmid write, "Millions of dollars of profit were made in suspicious stock trades. The governments of America, Europe, and Japan announced plans to investigate in order to determine who the investors were. However, every investigation was terminated." Again, what proof do they offer? None. If the Zionist network is large, it is because there are Jewish communities all over the world. Does this prove the Mossad carried out 9/11. Nope.

(i) Most of the 9/11 Truth Seekers are Zionists

Again, this would require some sort of proof.

Actually, this is untrue. This only points to Smith's pattern of pointing to his enemies and labeling them Zionists, myself included, without a shred of proof. Find a pro-Israel statement by Alex Jones or Webster Tarpley. Can you?

(j) Most People Pushing UFOs are Zionists

Even if this were true (and I doubt it), so what?

(k) AIPAC and Jack Abramoff

Here Hufschmid and Smith provide two sources on whether Abramoff aided in the 9/11 attacks. The first is Daniel Hopsicker, who says Mohammad Atta was a guest on Abrahmoff's boat. He is the only source they cite. Is this proof of a Mossad 9/11 conspiracy?

The other person they cite is Juan Cole, who is far more credible. The only problem is that Cole doesn't mention 9/11 in his article; he mentions Israeli attacks in the Palestinian territories.

That's the extent of the "proof" offered for Mossad complicity in the 9/11 attacks. Often they will also mention that 4,000 Zionists and Jews were told to stay home on 9/11. My wife's cousin, who was Jewish, was killed in the North Tower on 9/11. Why didn't he get a call? Look at the list of victims and see the Jewish last names. [4] Why weren't they told to stay home?

(3) Daryl Bradford Smith repeats the lie that Judaism allows men to have sex with children. I have already addressed this in one of Smith's interviews with Ted Pike.
http://www.bluwiki.org/go/April_10%2C_2006

The parts of the interview that disturb me:
The movement also has some divisions that are keeping Truthers apart and at odds with each other. I have noticed that more and more 9/11 Truthers are bringing up the role of Israel. Israel. They bring up how the Zionists are behind the crimes of 9/11. {And I went to that website. BMT} We have the fingerprints of an Israel connection as documented in The Complete 9/11 Timeline managed by Paul Thompson. For example the 5 dancing Israelites caught with the Urban Moving Van. They were then released back to Israel a few months later by Michael Chertoff, Homeland Security Chief and dual Israel citizen{?}, and when they got back to Israel they told a news station they were there to document the events. They bring up the dual citizenship [?] of some of the neo-cons who wrote the PNAC and those who are the owners of the mainstream media. They also bring up some of the crimes of the past like the USS Liberty that was attacked by Israel back in 1967.????? 34 years ago? what connection? I believe there are some reservations from some of the 9/11 truth leaders to include these facts????? about the Israel/Jewish/Zionist connection, in regards to 9/11, in their speeches, radio broadcasts, flyers and websites. They probably have concerns that they will be labeled as an anti-Semite or fear retaliation???? in some way by Jewish organizations like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). Words such as '9/11 shill' are also being thrown around by these types of truthers at some leaders in the movement. I think it's important to get out all the truth, but I also think that some of these truths need to come out when their time is right?????. Our first task is to get an independent investigation, with full subpoena powers, using the solid evidence that contradicts the official government account.
ACTUALLY, THE MORE I READ THIS, THE MORE IT DISTURBS ME.
BMT
====================================

Interview With Take A Stand For 9/11 Truth Website Founder Matthew Naus

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: real patriotism, take a stand for 911 truth, veterans for 911 truth, veterans issues, 911 activism, public protests, petitions, 911 petition, military industrial complex, false flag terrorism, 911 was an inside job, the truth, truth awaits )

JohnMicha  - truthawaits.com
Take A Stand For 9/11 Truth is asking patriotic civilians and veterans to submit your real name, the city or town and the state that you live in on the sign up page. This information will then be published on the website under the state you live in.
(2) | () | | send green star | flag as inappropriate
Visibility: Everyone
Tags: , , , , , ,
Posted: Mar 4, 2008 12:42am

 
 
 
Content and comments expressed here are the opinions of Care2 users and not necessarily that of Care2.com or its affiliates.

Author

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil
female, age 77, single, 1 child
Seattle, WA, USA
Shares by Type:
All (242) | Blog (132) | Alert (104) | Message (6)

Showing shares tagged with: israelis [show all]
ads keep care2 free
SHARES FROM BMUTINY'S NETWORK
May
19
(0 comments  |  discussions )
TAKE ACTION: TELL HOME DEPOT AND LOWE'S TO STOP SELLING BEE-KILLING PESTICIDES.Bees are essential for one out of three bites of food we eat. But last winter, beekeepers reported losses of 50-70 percent of their hives -- the worst year yet since the gl...
(0 comments  |  discussions )
A top judicial panel in Brazil has ruled that same-sex marriages must be allowed nationwide. An analysis and resolution issued Tuesday by Brazil’s 15-member National Council of Justice, the council that oversees the country’s judiciary, s...
(0 comments  |  discussions )
TAKE ACTION: TELL THE EPA YOU WANT LOWER, NOT HIGHER, LIMITS ON MONSANTO'S ROUNDUP!When does one plus one not equal two? When mounting evidence says glyphosate, the key ingredient in Monsanto’s Roundup pesticide, does more damage to our health a...
(0 comments  |  discussions )
MARCH AGAINST MONSANTO ~ MAY 25 ~ CHECK FOR EVENTS NEAR YOU!We will not stand for cronyism. We will not stand for poison. That's why we March Against Monsanto.
(0 comments  |  discussions )
TAKE ACTION: TELL CALIFORNIA DECISION MAKERS: DON'T FRACK OUR FOOD AND FARMS!California is the largest producer of food in the U.S. Fracking and farming cannot co-exist. If we frack California's farms, we put the entire country's food supply at risk. ...
(0 comments  |  discussions )
TAKE ACTION: TELL YOUR CONGRESSMAN: PROTECT CHILDREN, NOT GUNSUrge them to support legislation that requires common sense gun safety requirements. THANK YOU!
May
18
(0 comments  |  discussions )
Marriage equality has enjoyed a number of breakthrough victories this past year, but looming is a brick wall that, if not tackled carefully, could stop progress dead. So, we need to talk about it. How Do You Solve a Problem Like Arizona, Virginia or ...
(0 comments  |  discussions )
The sun in the North is a temporary guestWho brings with him much warmth and light when he comesFor a few precious months every year he keepsUs company through night and day He makes the trees green, he makes flowers bloomHe makes the birds sing, and ...
May
17
(0 comments  |  discussions )
Regular users of marijuana may be less likely to develop diabetes due to marijuana& rsquo;s abili ty to regulate insulin levels, a new study has found. A multi-center research team, headed by a team at the Cardiovascular Epidemi...
May
16
(0 comments  |  0 discussions )
Lithuanian religious leaders have formally opposed a Council of Europe Convention on domestic violence action because the convention includes lesbian, bisexual and trans women. In a formal statement released on May 9, the Lithuanian Bishop’s Co...

Copyright © 2013 Care2.com, inc. and its licensors. All rights reserved