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DOJ Sues Florida Over Voter Purge

DOJ Sues Florida Over Voter Purge

The United States Department of Justice will sue Florida to prevent it from removing voters from its rolls.

In a letter to Florida’s Republican Secretary of State, Ken Detzner, Assistant U.S. Attorney General Thomas E. Perez wrote, “Because the State has indicated its unwillingness to comply with [Voting Rights Act] requirements, I have authorized the initiation of an enforcement action against Florida in Federal court.”

The letter cites a number of issues with Florida’s attempts to purge “illegal” voters, from its occurrence during a 90-day “quiet period,” which is prohibited by the National Voter Registration Act, to the program’s reliance on data from the Department of Homeland Security’s Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) Program.

“The SAVE Program relies on DHS records, which do not include a comprehensive and definitive listing of U.S. citizens, and does not include, for example, those born in the United States,” Perez wrote. “Furthermore, as DHS explained to you as early as October 2011, the SAVE Program can verify those individuals only if unique identifiers, such as alien identification numbers…are provided.”

Perez noted that the Florida Division of Elections does not collect the data necessary to verify identity.

The State of Florida Monday filed suit against the Department of Homeland Security, alleging that DHS was “fail[ing] to meet its legal obligation to provide us the information necessary to identify and remove ineligible voters from Florida’s voter rolls,” according to a statement released by Detzner.

Howard Simon, Director of the Florida ACLU, said Detzner’s suit was an “acknowledgement that [Florida] was using bad data and kicking eligible citizens off the voter rolls in the first place.”

Perez said the program “has critical imperfections, which lead to errors that harm and confuse eligible voters.”

Florida has come under withering criticism for its voter purge, which was undertaken ostensibly to ensure only eligible voters could vote. Monday’s Justice Department action has been widely expected since last Wednesday, when Florida responded angrily to Justice Department concerns about the voter purge.

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5:31AM PDT on Jun 28, 2012


9:27PM PDT on Jun 15, 2012

Don H. thank you very much. The posts were a compilation of information that I've been accumulating over the last 35 years or so.

From the documents surrounding the framing of The Declaration of Independence, The Articles of Confederation, and finally The Constitution, you see a clear picture of individuals that had seen the problems caused by a close linkage between church and state and were determined to ensure that our system of government was different.

One of the things that I find interesting in the whole situation is how far the modern southern baptist convention has departed from the views express by the Danbury Baptist Association. From a thankful view that religion was kept out of civil government to an overt attempt to insert themselves as the state religion. That has lessened in recent years at their top organizational level with a change of leadership, but is still a predominant theme within their organization.

2:43AM PDT on Jun 15, 2012

Jason W, those are some excellent posts.

Years of misinformation have built a shield of stupid around the perception of the right wing gullible "followers". The constant refrain we hear from Fox "News" is, "This is a Christian nation!" These followers want it to be true so they believe it.

Can you even imagine if the U.S.A. actually was a Christian nation? We would have had a religious civil war over "which" branch of Christianity was the true path. I have heard several on here claim that Catholicism isn't "real" Christianity. Same for Mormonism and others.

The founders really were wise men to place such emphasis on true religious freedom.

10:20PM PDT on Jun 14, 2012

The first one also got cut off. I really wish they would put a character remaining counter on these comment boxes. Here is the rest of the first one.

As a treaty that was ratified by the Senate, this becomes a part of the US Constitution. As noted by Frank Lambert, ""By their actions, the Founding Fathers made clear that their primary concern was religious freedom, not the advancement of a state religion. Individuals, not the government, would define religious faith and practice in the United States. Thus the Founders ensured that in no official sense would America be a Christian Republic. Ten years after the Constitutional Convention ended its work, the country assured the world that the United States was a secular state, and that its negotiations would adhere to the rule of law, not the dictates of the Christian faith."

10:18PM PDT on Jun 14, 2012

The second one got cut off, here is the rest of it.

Excerpt from Thomas Jefferson's reply:
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature would "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State."

9:32PM PDT on Jun 14, 2012

This recurring tripe about the United States being a christian nation is a damnable falsehood concocted by those who would criticize faith based law, if it came from another faith, such as Sharia law, and yet would impose their own narrow code of entirely religious and canon law upon a multi-cultural nation of multiple religions.

Let's touch on a few truthful sources, shall we?

1: Treaty of Tripoli, 1769 - Article 11: As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

As a treaty that was ratified by the Senate, this becomes a part of the US Constitution. As noted by Frank Lambert, ""By their actions, the Founding Fathers made clear that their primary concern was religious freedom, not the advancement of a state religion. Individuals, not the government, would define religious faith and practice in the United States. Thus the Founders ensured that in no official sense would America be a Christian Republic. Ten years after the Constitutional Convention ended its work, the country assured the world that the United States was a

9:31PM PDT on Jun 14, 2012

2: An exchange of letters between the Danbury Baptists and Thomas Jefferson:
Excerpt from the letter from the Danbury Baptists:
"Our sentiments are uniformly on the side of religious liberty: that Religion is at all times and places a matter between God and individuals, that no man ought to suffer in name, person, or effects on account of his religious opinions, [and] that the legitimate power of civil government extends no further than to punish the man who works ill to his neighbor. But sir, our constitution of government is not specific. Our ancient charter, together with the laws made coincident therewith, were adapted as the basis of our government at the time of our revolution. And such has been our laws and usages, and such still are, [so] that Religion is considered as the first object of Legislation, and therefore what religious privileges we enjoy (as a minor part of the State) we enjoy as favors granted, and not as inalienable rights. And these favors we receive at the expense of such degrading acknowledgments, as are inconsistent with the rights of freemen. It is not to be wondered at therefore, if those who seek after power and gain, under the pretense of government and Religion, should reproach their fellow men, [or] should reproach their Chief Magistrate, as an enemy of religion, law, and good order, because he will not, dares not, assume the prerogative of Jehovah and make laws to govern the Kingdom of Christ."
Excerpt from Thomas Jefferson's reply:

9:31PM PDT on Jun 14, 2012

3: The actual source of our laws and Constitution:
The Constitution was largely inspired by the Constitution of the Iroquois Confederacy, and that laid down by them before European exploitation, rape, and invasion of this hemisphere, and therefor completely non-christian.
The majority of the initial laws and current statutes (laws for you lowbrow trolls) is based on common law. While common law became standardized in the 12th and 13th centuries in England, it is based on such things as Danelaw (the laws that the Vikings laid down in their rather large chunk of the English Isles, these laws were based on old Scandinavian law that existed far back into the Pagan era of Scandinavian History) as well as other localized legal codes in England originally laid down by the very Pagan Druids, and influenced by the very Pagan Romans. This clearly shows that our laws are Pagan laws at their root, not christian!
The majority of our civil laws (for suing someone, and such) are based entirely on Pagan Roman civil laws, so not even that has christian roots. (continued)

9:31PM PDT on Jun 14, 2012

4: Holidays: There is, like in every other aspect of it, nothing original in christian holy days. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS ADOPTED FROM PRE-CHRISTIAN PAGAN RELIGIONS, EVERY ONE! Easter pulled in from Germanic Oestra (also the source of the word Estrus, BTW). Christmas and Advent pulled in from the rebirth of a Sun God and the ritual purification before hand. Most, if not all Pagan faiths had at least 1 Triple God or Triple Goddess, adopted in as the trinity. Even the enormous number of saints are nothing but an adoption of multitheism into monotheism.

Need I really go on? Try pulling your head out of the sand and learning some of the facts before you sprout your simple minded propaganda.

8:20PM PDT on Jun 14, 2012

Beth k and Pam w, maybe you should re-read what I had actually written, as I never mentioned the Constitution, nor did I say that Christianity was mentioned within that document (in case neither of you have read it, it clearly makes no mention of Christianity). I stated that perhaps you should get out a bit into the big wide world and then perhaps you might realize just how much the U.S. is a predominately Christian country, whose legal, cultural and religious underpinnings are largely Christian. It is what it is. Get off your respective couches and see the world, it is an awfully exciting place! Also, Pam w, not sure what other thread you read my exact same remarks, but how sweet of you to pay such close attention to my posts, it makes me feel so special.

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