Fox News just seems to have no respect for the intelligence of the people who go to their website. As I was doing some additional research for my last post on the use of the “deem and pass” rule to pass healthcare I stumbled across this poll on FOXNews.com. There are so many things wrong with this poll that I am not sure where to begin.
1. The question itself contains a lie because there will be a vote (see my last post)
2. It leads the reader to pick the third option since the question itself tells any reader why members of Congress are sent to Washington i.e. to vote for the will of the people who put them there. (I wonder how many of the people opposing healthcare voted to put in the Democrats who are supporting it…my guess is very few). So in reality these members of Congress are probably following the views of their constituients at least the ones that voted for them. Of course anyone who has studied the writings during the Constitutional convention will know that not everyone thought that Congress should just obey the will of the masses. Particularly so with Senators who were not free elected but were instead selected by members of the State Legislatures.
3. I get so irritated when someone pulls out the Founding Fathers as if they were a group of the wisest sages known to mankind as opposed to men with great failings and great accomplishments not to mention great disagreements. Anyone who thinks that the likes of John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, etc. agreed on anything sufficiently enough that asking what the Founding Fathers had in mind makes sense should probably have their voter registration card ripped up unless they read both the Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist Papers or at least be forced to watch HBO’s John Adams mini-series. Heck, if you want to go back to the way the Founders wanted things than we can get rid of popular election of Senators since that wasn’t allowed or better yet let the House select the President since George Mason, one of those esteemed founding fathers, anticipated that, “nineteen out of twenty” times the president would not be chosen by the electors but that it instead would be decided by contingent procedure. The original Constitution called for the House to vote for the top five candidates from the election so at least we could conceivably get rid of our two party system.
4. To be fair it does say at the bottom that this is not a scientific poll which is obvious because
A) it has an distinct selection bias i.e. it is on a conservative news website (I admit to writing for a liberal one so I think Fox should man up and admit they are no more a fair and balanced news station than the conservate Weekly Standard or the liberal American Prospect are fair and balanced magazines. At least they don’t try to hide from their ideological framwork)
B) As I already mentioned the question is heavily loaded, factually incorrect, and historically ignorant
C) Since most fans of Fox News no doubt discard all science as “theories” to be believed at whim not being scientific probably increases the validity to those that actually took the time to vote.
D) It allows for an “other” where people leave inane comments such as:
This one by Carolina_Living “The healthcare legislation needs to be voted using a two-thirds majority. The Slaughter rule is being put out there so we accept the up and down vote. Both of these methods should not be used here. The up and down vote and the Slaughter rule should be viewed as treason if used on the healthcare legislation and should to be dealt with accordingly.”
Okay, first off two-thirds majority is only required to overturn a veto or to approve treaties. It’s not even two thirds to get cloture to stop a filibuster, it’s only 60 out of a 100 which is three fifths i.e. slightly less than two thirds. So this person is ignorantly suggesting that it is treasonous to vote up or down on a bill with a simple majority and insists that votes require a two thirds majority that is not entailed int the Constitution. For that matter neither is the filibuster that is simply…gasp a rule of the Senate. Which by the way the Constitution leaves it to Congress to create its own rules including deem and pass.
See the poll below:
A ‘No Vote’ Vote: Is This What the Founding Fathers Had in Mind?
Americans send people to Washington, D.C., to be their representatives — to cast votes that represent the will of the people. But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is pushing Congress to pass a sweeping health care reform bill — without a vote. Do you think this is what the Founding Fathers had in mind?
Yes. Pelosi’s just using Congress’ own rules to pass a law – get over it, people.
Not sure, but didn’t Jefferson say: “A wise and frugal government… which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits …”?
No. I voted for a congressman who will represent my point of view in making laws – if they won’t, then they’re gone in November.
This is not a scientific poll.
I did try to find some similar polls on MSNBC and CNN because I doubt they are any better. If you find any put links in the comments and I’ll be happy to trash them as well.
And yes, I know that Care2 has polls as well but ours are a simple yes or no on one question and we DON’T try to deny or hide our, for the most part, progressive political ideology.