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President Obama, is Afghanistan more like Vietnam or Germany?

43 comments President Obama, is Afghanistan more like Vietnam or Germany?

When President Barack Obama addresses the nation on Tuesday evening, December 1, from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, I will be looking for the President to answer specific questions I have about the United States’ conduct of the war in Afghanistan.

I would like to hear Mr. Obama state clearly the current objective.  Is it to build a modern nation in Afghanistan, create a quasi-democratic state, or simply stand a government that can police its own population and take actions that support U.S. security objectives?  Eighty percent of Afghanistan’s population live in 32,000 rural villages. Economic and political life is different there than in modern societies, and I want to see that the President’s plan does not rest on unrealistic expectations and assumptions.

President Bush’s military mission in Afghanistan was to remove the Taliban from power and stop Al Qaeda and its associates from conducting violent action against the United States.  The initial invasion succeeded in ending the Taliban national government, and the ongoing campaign has forced Al Qaeda to seek more hospitable territory elsewhere.  However, installing a democratic government with control of the entire country has proved impossible, and in the face of such difficulty, the mission has become less clear.

The most important issue in the war in Afghanistan may be its impact on Pakistan.  If any nation could be the catalyst for a WWIII scenario it is a nation with a nuclear arsenal and a violent extremist insurgency.  Pakistani Taliban and other insurgents are actively fighting against the democratic government of Pakistan and lethal bombings of civilian and military targets are becoming daily occurrences.  An all-out civil war in Pakistan would be catastrophic and could require international forces to secure nuclear weapons, at the very least.  If this is part of the calculation of continuing our military effort in neighboring Afghanistan, Mr. Obama should say so. The Bush administration played fast-and-lose with the reasoning behind the invasion of Iraq, and confidence in American credibility suffered as a result.

And then there’s the Vietnam question.  Are we even capable of defeating the Taliban?

In Vietnam, we were unwilling to risk a direct military confrontation with the Soviet Union and China, and yet could not defeat the North Vietnamese people without risking such an all-out superpower war.  Thus, we were in an unwinnable war with no good diplomatic solutions.

While there is no superpower behind insurgent forces in Afghanistan, there is significant support in the population and financial backing from abroad.  We have been fighting insurgents for eight years and are no closer to victory.

It is a combination of troop strength and strategy that will make or break the U.S. effort in Afghanistan.  Not just critics of the war, but top military brass, have said that a political solution is ultimately necessary.  In Iraq, an important part of the “surge” strategy was hiring the unemployed former army members and others who were fighting against us.  The concurrent increase in U.S. troops also supported government and military efforts to control violence, but the change in strategy was key. A similar initiative to pay local Talibs to switch sides is now underway in Afghanistan.

If the new strategy for Afghanistan is not producing positive results in a year or two, will the President accept defeat and withdraw our resources?  There is evidence that President Lyndon Johnson did not want to be involved in the Vietnam war and did not think it was winnable.  Yet, he continued to increase American participation based on domestic political consequences and complex international uncertainties.  However, our resources are precious and should be used with serious intentions, not squandered, or commited by default.

Will there be an honest assessment as to whether the new strategy in Afghanistan is working?  Does the President have the courage to recognize and accept failure?  It was one thing to refuse to accept defeat in a WWII.  The war against Germany and Japan saw a far greater commitment of resources and manpower.  Our entire nation was transformed into an armament factory and the committment to destroy the enemy and remake its society was total.  On the military front, we used all the force we had and accepted both our own heavy losses and devastating destruction of German and Japanese civilian targets.  Total victory was necessary and total defeat was not an option.  However, the situation in Afghanistan is not a world war.  Failure of a operation does not mean the surrender of all objectives.  Only fourteen years after South Vietnam fell to the Communist North, the Berlin Wall came down and international communism was on its way out.  (If you still have an image of Communism guiding China and Vietnam today, travel there and test your ideas.  Both nations provide thriving business environments and gradual reforms).

The lesson here is that we should not follow a failing strategy for long.  The risk of failure is substantial, and the President and his military command must be able to evaluate and change course, as necessary, including abandoning losing causes.

I will listen with an open mind to the President’s reasoning on Afghanistan.  What I hope to hear is not so much an answer that fits my preconceived notions, but an explanation of the U.S. mission there and a realistic assessment of strategy designed to achieve our goals.

For an Afghan voice and perspective (although somewhat dated), see my Interview with Massoud Quiam and Commentary by Massoud Quiam.

December 2, 2009 Update:  C-Span 3 is covering live Congressional testimony of Defense Secretary Gates and Admiral Mullen on Afghanistan.

Point of contention is whether it makes sense to ramp up the battle now, while at the same time saying that we intend to start transferring responsibility for security to the Afghan authorities by mid 2011.  Is this just the usual attack on the President, or is there a contradition here?  Can we say that we are only willing to spend so much time and money (and risk to our troops) and that that time is running out — a limmited commitment — without hurting our chances of success?  It is a legitimate question, but the benefits of such a policy may still outweigh the costs.

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6:44PM PST on Jan 17, 2010

All these so called " un-war " situations is alot of bull. Why don't all the heads of states get in a ring and fight "mano a mano" . Maybe take a couple of shots at each other with an ozzie. Until such time as the government realizes that no one wins, then we will still continue having a group of lossers. We preach non-violence to our children, yet government is the first to start fighting. The only winners are the large arms corporations and such. Mothers, daughters, wives, sons, fathers, husbands and friends all lose, no matter what country their from.

11:24AM PST on Dec 5, 2009

It's more like Vietnam!

1:35PM PST on Dec 3, 2009

I agree with Brigitte.

1:12AM PST on Dec 3, 2009

It seems US imperialism has no end...

STOP THE WARS!

3:38PM PST on Dec 2, 2009

I think the sanctuaries in Pakistan make this war unwinnable just as the sanctuaries in Cambodia made the War in Vietnam unwinnable. The Pentagon admitted that those sanctuaries were the primary reason why we could not win. Those were the comments and conclusions made in the Pentagon Papers.

10:27AM PST on Dec 2, 2009

Personally, believe that we should not compare this war to any other wars that have happened in the past. We have new leaders and new strategies. However do we really need to send 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan?

10:12AM PST on Dec 2, 2009

ARE humans are in need of more wars,criminals, killers,...etc. or humans are in need of spending such money to promote health , education and overcome culturalproblems,to treat those poor disabled humans who suffer from such criminals decisions of war in all the world countries,treat those victims of the various researches ,feed those who are starving in the world the big rich countries escaped and didnot attend the cogress of poverty in order to suply the mony to those msanufacture wepons to kill humans ,,, Obama studied the issue of Afghanistan and depended in his decisin on the sitan , criminals decisions his consultants , he is not aware of the hidden purpose it might be Obamas Failure and be Obama the Criminal who is swimming in the Iraqians blood and the Palestinians by his ful support to Israel to kill children, womens and old people,destructing buildings and trees,,, Obama is not doing according to his promises speaches and wants peace ,,,he declared so to get the peace prize and got it then appeared who is Obama,,, why not to leave each country to take care of itself and solve its problems and give independence peace to all need it,by what he is doing will increase violence in the world and will be the criminal and to have the prize of criminals

6:42AM PST on Dec 2, 2009

I was glad that President Obama attempted to refresh the memory of the American public that he is NOT the one that got us into the war nor was he the one who got us in this economic mess! Also realize he is NOT the one making all the decisions about sending more troops to Afghanistan. The president is depending on the advice from those who are there and other military leaders. I have one grandson who spent a year in Iraq and now he and his brother will be sent to Afghanistan in 2010. I am a proud Granny and my grandsons are VERY PROUD to be serving our country! Instead of complain we should all be sending support to President Obama for the tough decisions he is being forced to make in an attempt to clean up the messes he was left.

3:05AM PST on Dec 2, 2009

It does not matter. The consumer citizens of corp-rat fascist Amerika live in THE UNITED $TATES OF PERPETUAL WAR PROFITEERING... all in the name of the military industrial complex.

This is what Amerika is all about. Perpetual violence and war born from hard core right-$winging KKKristian attributes: fear, guilt, selfishness and materialism... not to mention hypocrisy.

12:34AM PST on Dec 2, 2009

The Russians learnt the hard way, and it now seems as though N.A.T.O. is determined to make the same mistake. Every Afghan is a member of one of many incompatible tribes; his allegiance will always be primarily to the tribe rather than to any central "government". Moreover Afghanistan, next to Somalia, is the most corrupt nation on the face of the earth and nothing is going to change that. It is monumental arrogance to suppose that the introduction of another 30,000 or even 300,000 troops will have any lasting effect. Military conquest has never made any permanent impact upon Afghanistan. They have always risen eventually to oust invaders.
Cut your losses and get out now. You are merely wasting time, lives, resources and perpetuating wicked, futile slaughter.

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