Carole

Thanks for explaining the argument of change (the body and the world around us), being home to non change (the infinite soul). It makes more sense to me now.

I also understand what you mean about all people coming from spirit. I am an atheist and sometimes struggle with the use of the word. I feel like those who believe in GOD or a particular religion have hijacked the word "spiritual", and make it difficult for those of us who don't believe in any Omnipotent creator to use it in a more non religious sense. I suppose what I should have said was that people can feel compassion and love without believing in a God. But I still think that compassion and love can be learned (or rather unlearned, because we are probably born with the potential of compassion and love already in us). It all depends on our experiences of being treated with either love and value or cruelty and worthlessness when we are young children.

I agree that entropy is an unavoidable factor of living. I just wish more people would think like you and wake up to the fact that industries selling us the idea (and their products) that staying young, toned and vibrant is the only way to measure one's worth, is just a way of preying on our fears of getting old (and making them very rich), which if we just embraced, would make us much happier people.

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Kym,

All beings are spiritual (coming from spirit) whether they believe it or not.

Entropy that results in aging, senility and death teach us that our appearence and how we see our physical selves is really just a superficial shell. As we see our hair turn grey, our memory floundering, it is our choice to realize that we are not losing ourselves but our perception of ourselves which was always superficial to begin with. To say that I am not worth as much now that my face has lines as I was when it was smooth is, of course, silly. This is our time to see beyond the surface and realize that our souls are perfect and not dependent on our quick wit or how we look in a bathing suit.

And change mixed with non change is about the infinite soul spending time in the physical realm where all things are non permanent.

And Dixon.... Duh! You seem to think that Deepak is godless. Wherever did you get that idea?

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My last word got cut off. (Must have been the infinite organizer wielding its power in an attempt to scupper my opinions)

It was How intelligent is that?
And finally, the "5 realizations that entropy cannot touch".
I have no problem getting my head around the first 2. The 3rd one takes a bit more mental gymnastics but it sounds a bit like a version of chaos theory. The 4th - "Change is infused with non change."??? I'm sorry could someone explain this to me. And the 5th - "Entropy holds no threat because it is under the control of infinite organizing power." Is just gobbledeegoop.
Are you saying basically that death is necessary for life to occur and so don't try to stop it but just accept it as a given?
Are you saying we should not think of creation and destruction as a battle between the 2, but as symbiosis, or a mutual dependence?

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I'm afraid this one is a bit mumbo jumbo.
Pain and pleasure are not just psychological expressions, but also physical -ie. I touch a hot iron and flinch in pain. The blister on my hand proof of the pain caused.
Compassion and love are not solely spiritual, because people who are not spiritual are also able to feel these emotions. These emotions can also be learned.
I disagree that the union of material, psychological and spiritual will bring about contentment and security. That's just fuzzy speak. And I also don't believe that striving for perpetual contentment and security is necessarily a good thing for us. How would I really appreciate comfort and security if I also didn't feel fear and being uncomfortable every now and then?
I am not sure of my place in the universe, but I have already faced the fact that I am surrounded by creation and destruction. That comes with many years of living, and opening your eyes to what's going on in the world around you (in other countries and in your own back garden).
I agree you cannot defeat entropy - no matter how much money you throw at it and no matter what plastic surgeons want you to believe, with all their nipping and tucking and rigarmortis inducing botox.
Intelligence is not immune to decay. Try telling that to someone who's watching a loved one with senile dementia turn into a stranger right before their eyes, and even cells and DNA can mutate into something that suddenly decides to attack its own body. How Intelligent is t

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We are and so is God. I like to call it organized chaos... we can and can't control what goes on around us, but we can make the changes to use the hand we are delt.

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"Entropy holds no threat because it is under the control of infinite organizing power." Well said, Deepak.
But who is the infinite organizing power? Could it be God?
There can be no organization without the organizer. Who is that organizer?

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