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GAZA Child Killed.... By Hamas!

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Eager to portray the IDF as vicious child killers, this iconic image made its way around the world. Fighting back tears at Gaza's Shifa Hospital, Egyptian Prime Minister held 4-year old Mahmoud Sadallah in his arms and called on Israel to end its

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Beth S (330)
Monday November 19, 2012, 3:16 pm
"While the boy was allegedly killed by an IDF airstrike, it occurred during the time that a ceasefire was in effect for the visit of the Egyptian PM. A ceasefire that Hamas broke, firing more rockets while even Israel refrained from launching airstrikes.

The truth has now emerged. Credit to some journalists for admitting, for once, that Israel was not the responsible party. The Sunday Telegraph reports (emphasis added):

But there were signs on Saturday that not all the Palestinian casualties have been the result of Israeli air strikes. The highly publicised death of four-year-old Mohammed Sadallah appeared to have been the result of a misfiring home-made rocket, not a bomb dropped by Israel.

The child’s death on Friday figured prominently in media coverage after Hisham Kandil, the Egyptian prime minister, was filmed lifting his dead body out of an ambulance. “The boy, the martyr, whose blood is still on my hands and clothes, is something that we cannot keep silent about,” he said, before promising to defend the Palestinian people.

But experts from the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights who visited the site on Saturday said they believed that the explosion was caused by a Palestinian rocket.

There is only one party that not only deliberately targets innocent Israeli children but also has no qualms about putting the lives of Palestinian children at risk."

. (0)
Monday November 19, 2012, 3:24 pm
The Palestinians are desperate, but are controlled by Hamas. Israel wants nothing more than to end this. Obama talks by phone...the Arab world wants no part in this, the UN does nothing but report deaths....
In post WW!!, this would have been done with. Truman would have never allowed this to continue, nor would Ike. What the hell is Hamas compared to the Nazi war machine?

Patricia Martin (19)
Monday November 19, 2012, 3:52 pm

Hamas regularly uses deceit, SHAMELESS lies, manipulation, actors and more, to build sympathy for what others who are honest and not part of the corruption would call "pathology of victimhood". If Hamas were truly victims, that would be one thing, but they keep bringing it on themselves and this pathology brings adulation and billions of dollars from Arab Oil States who are all too happy to use the well-crafted lie of Gazan victimhood and oppression to draw attention away from the other Arab countries' own troubles.

Israel/Jews ….. the scapegoat that keeps giving and giving...........


Beth S (330)
Monday November 19, 2012, 7:57 pm
This is war. And the Hamas began this by firing hundreds of rockets into Israeli CIVILIAN areas for months. This is a war crime.

Hamas isn’t merely a handful of terrorists. Gaza is a terrorist state. The people living there identify with Hamas and with its constantly vocalized oath to destroy Israel. They “voted” Hamas into power. Hamas and all of the citizens of Gaza seek Israel's annihilation. This is a war of state against state.

Israel is not fighting to destroy a state. It has been doing its best to target Hamas' war leaders and Hamas's military machinery, which Hamas hides in homes AND IN SOCCER FIELDS where little boys are playing.

Let me ask you, Free.

This past year the government of Syria has slaughtered 50000 truly innocent civilians. Does the world give a damn? No. Has anyone seriously ordered Assad to stop? No. The world even the Arab world itself really doesn’t care that tens of thousands of innocent Arab civilians are being slaughtered in Syria.

But when Israel kills a few “innocent” Palestinians bystanders in Gaza who were watching terrorists fire a missile towards children and grandparents in Ashkelon or Sderot, then all of the world in cries out unison from the U.S. State Department to the United Nations and the leaders of Russia, England, and France.

Suddenly filled with compassion for the innocent Arab victims they all immediately hold emergency press conferences and warn Israel not to escalate the conflict by daring send in ground troops in Gaza to uproot the terror lest there be more civilian casualties.

What hypocrisy! Are the Arabs in Gaza any different from the Arabs in Syria? Are they, Free?

The world is comparatively silent and impotent when Assad kills 50000 innocent civilians and suddenly aghast in a hysterical uproar when Israel kills a handful of “innocents” who just happened to be hanging around a rocket launcher.

Imran A. (10)
Monday November 19, 2012, 8:36 pm
It is no problem for Islam to kill its own children so long as that advances Islam. By trying to pull on the heartstrings of the world, particularly the West, if Islam generates sympathizers then that allows its goal of worldwide domination to progress. The same Western sympathizers will soon become subject to the same attacks Israel is used to!

It is sad that any child is killed. The Muslim babies are innocent in this matter and go to be with God, as well as all other babies. It is those who perpetuate the evil of Muhammad's Islam who are accountable for the carnage. As Islam teaches, there are things worse than murder (of children) and that it fitna - Qur'an 2:217. Once something is considered worse than killing innocent children, even Muslim children, then there is no limit to what Islam will do to advance its agenda of worldwide domination.

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday November 19, 2012, 8:56 pm
Free, you have to understand: Gasans elected Hamas Nazis, knowingly and democratically. Hamas Nazis promised Gazans a war with Israel and destruction of Israel. Nazis decided that Israel is a paper-tiger, like their Hesbola friend Nasrala told them. They started bombing of Israeli cities and villages.

They did it for eight years, until left-wing Israeli government decided to act. Now these Hamas Nazis forgot the lesson and decided to repeat it. Well, they are getting crap out of them.

What goes around comes around. Free. Fake photos and paying victims while being an aggressor won't save them from getting what they deserved.

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday November 19, 2012, 8:59 pm
Arab states are worse forms of colonialism - one ethnic group - Arabs - was given 22 states in the Middle East, while all other Jews, Kurds, Druze, Bahai - have to endure humiliation and discrimination and have to fight for their independence.

Arabs got 10,000 times more land than Israel, and now this fight for Israeli 0.01% is just s plain shame on all Arab States, not willing to share with their brothers.

Patricia Martin (19)
Monday November 19, 2012, 9:29 pm
What is truly offensive is the "off-gassing" smell of the self-righteousness, short-shortsightedness and bombast of the someone who actually thinks this is about Israel's purported expansionism and colonialism.

If those who make such claims truly had their minds and eyes open, they certainly would see that Islam is murdering, bombing and conniving its way to expand to virtually every place on the face of the earth - save possibly Antarctica (at the moment anyway) to pursue the prize of a global Caliphate - everyone everywhere under Sharia. After all, "Islam" does mean "Submission" and not "peace" as the Muslim Brotherhood charmers and others of their ilk like to lie about. After all Muhammad said deception was okay and Allah's the greatest Deceiver.

Maybe hearing the truth from one of the many imams out there who are saying it like it is - might give you an idea.... right from the rat's mouth.

Fred H (31)
Monday November 19, 2012, 9:35 pm
If you just assume that Palestinian claims about civilians being killed by Israel are all hoaxes, you'll be right more often than you'll be wrong.

RR Sutton (7)
Monday November 19, 2012, 10:03 pm
You're right Fred. Even Palestinians that are killed in residential areas are in most cases the result of Hamas preventing those civilians from leaving an area that Hamas is setting up rocket launchers. Dead Palestinians make great propaganda for Hamas, especially if they are children and women.

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Monday November 19, 2012, 10:57 pm
What they will not do in order to spread their lies and deceit!!

Stephen Brian (23)
Monday November 19, 2012, 11:33 pm
Hi Free,

Not just anyone in Gaza is a legitimate target. Palestinian militias' propaganda-branches, however, are. Like I said on another thread this evening, propaganda has been a central part of the militias' strategic-scale defence-doctrine for decades. The militias cannot push Israel away from their bases of operations militarily, so when Israel launches an offensive, they run a media-campaign to put international pressure on Israel to withdraw. Later, it tends to come out that a lot of the reports which drove the pressure were faked, but by then the offensive is already over.

The propaganda-branches of the militias are not front-line combatants, but they are no less legitimate targets in war than non-front-line soldiers. Do you think that it is illegitimate for one side in war to target the other side's command-infrastructure? What about eliminating its ability to maintain its military hardware? How about its convoys bringing supplies and ammunition to the front lines? In this conflict, the propaganda-machine is a central part of Palestinian militias' defences so its infrastructure is a legitimate target, and even if its personnel somehow were not, the use of human shields is illegitimate so their presence would not deny Israel the right to strike at a legitimate target.

The targeting of hospitals can also be legitimate, not because they are hospitals, but because they are used for direct military purposes and therefore lose their protected status. Again, it is like the human shield-strategy: Allowing militias to freely store rockets in hospitals encourages them to do so more.

Regarding who "breached the border", with the geography of the region and the proximity of targets to the line, your comment about that is totally meaningless. Check the rocket-ranges:
They can fire upon nearly every major population-centre in Israel without having "breached the border", and have done exactly that.

As for whether Gaza is a "terrorist state", it is not a state, but aside from that the term fits perfectly. All recognized Palestinian authorities, de facto and de jure, in Gaza are organizations guilty of terrorism. In its behaviour as a unit, those groups are the decision-makers and actors. There are many fine people living there, but, even if they are a majority (which is very questionable), they are not the ones whose attitudes and behaviour characterize the behaviour of the group. A British butcher and a German baker might have had a fine friendship in 1940, but that did not mean the two countries were so friendly to each other. Civilians who never fired upon the other side were the majority of each population, but the countries were definitely at war.

Regarding your comment about colonialism, that has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Over half of the Israeli voting population is of Middle Eastern origin, so where is the colony? More importantly, where is the mother country? The problems of colonialism came about primarily because the decision-makers were either visiting viceroys or back in the mother country, totally separated from all the trouble they caused. Did the Israeli parliament move to Paris, or is it still right in the middle of things? Some parallels can be drawn, but it is more than a stretch to call it colonialism if there is no mother-country for the "colony" which is not even dominated by foreigners.

As for the morality of the IDF and its "war-crimes", here are a few unpleasant things for you to consider:

First, what is the record for civilian-to-legitimate-target casualty-ratio in major operations of urban combat, in all wars since the invention of the machine-gun? This is a proper measure of the "cleanliness" of an operation, adjusting properly for its scale. Which country holds that record and regularly runs operations very close to it? Which armies have, in the past twenty years, pioneered new methods by which to reduce civilian casualties in urban warfare, and which one changed its standard-issue gun to one designed for precision in urban combat?

Second, an perhaps more importantly, how do you enforce the laws of war? Remember that the law is not about punishing the guilty, but about changing people's cost-benefit analyses to reduce the attraction of criminal behaviour. The rules are mostly broken by people trying to stay alive. Base operations among civilians, where the other side is normally forbidden from firing. Target civilians to make the other side's government give ground without running the risks involved in fighting military forces. Don't wear a uniform so that enemies, unable to identify you as a combatant, do not fire. With the uncertainty of ever actually facing prosecution, no punishment up to and including capital punishment can possibly deter these crimes, so we have to look at the other side of the equation. Rather than raise the cost, the benefit must be reduced. This means ignoring human shields, lowering criteria for target-identification if an enemy fails to properly self-identify (with uniforms or other such markings), firing towards civilians if enemies fire from among them, attacking civilian-populated areas if enemies base operations there and, most horribly, equalizing the pressure if an enemy tries to exert some by firing upon civilians. These are ugly, ugly things that would, in isolation, be war-crimes themselves. Then again, grabbing a guy off the street and locking him up is kidnapping, unless one is arresting a criminal. Without looking at both sides, law-enforcement always looks like crime.

Also, your casualty-numbers are pretty meaningless. They fail to distinguish between militants and civilians (something which cannot be done effectively by independent third parties when a non-uniformed militia is involved). They fail to consider the conditions leading to deaths. Do you want to know why so many more Palestinians die than Israelis in each round of violence? Here is the reason:
This is why Israel prevents the sort of construction-materials needed for bomb-shelters from reaching Gaza: They get used to shelter rockets instead of people.

patrica and edw jones (190)
Monday November 19, 2012, 11:44 pm
Sad that the little child died - but what sort of a life could he expect from these Jackals of deceit and manipulation. I do not see genuine sadness of the faces of these criminal elements - regardless of their status in Government.

Hilary S (65)
Monday November 19, 2012, 11:48 pm
it's pretty ghastly to see images of a dead palestinian child used for publicity.
israel takes a different view of treatment of the dead, primarily respecting the privacy of mourners.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 1:13 am
:-((((((((((((((( None words :-((((((((((

Tommy S (11)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 1:17 am
Islam founded on lies-- the truth will destroy it

Jay S (116)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 3:19 am
With the cowardly Hamas terrorists hiding behind children, women and the elderly, firing from next to schools and in the middle of residential zones, by their own admission, they are the ones killing ALL of the children and civilians in Gaza by their sending daily rockets into Israel - almost 13,000 since 2000. What other country would allow that to happen and not fight back?

Hamas is killing all of the Palestinians, or is at least responsible for their deaths. Scum bags.

Carola May (20)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 3:22 am
Are the Palestinians so blind with their Islamic hatred and bigotry toward Jews (and everyone else too) that they can't see it is their own corrupt, tyrannical 'government', Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, that is responsible for all of this? Israel pulled out of Gaza years ago and the Islamist Jihadi Terrorist Hamas has been lobbing rockets into Israel every day since.

If the Palestinians and other Muslims want this to stop they should be after Hamas. But that would be rational, wouldn't it?

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 5:38 am
Allan: "What the hell is Hamas compared to the Nazi war machine?"

* Hamas believe in its Supremacy of its ideology over Jews, Undermenchen;
* Hamas advertises a war against Israel as legitimate;
* Hamas has no qualms of bombing civilians deliberately;
* Hamas does not recognize International treaties on how to deal with PoW.

Same as Nazis, except that Nazis were stronger at the beginning.

What wrong do you see in my comparison?

Jerry B (128)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 10:03 pm
Noted, Seems there will never be an end between these people, so sad for all the innocent children over there..thanks Beth!

Gillian M (218)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 10:06 pm
Looks like mm got removed again, free being another of her pseudonyms.

However, I do note that the usual anti-Semites are still too busy moaning about Israel protecting itself to notice a small thing like Hamas breaching the ceasefire, which is what we were betting on here, how long before they did.

Stan B (123)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 2:36 am
Not strictly on the topic but here's part of an article in today's Guardian about Hamas " justice."

Masked gunmen publicly shot dead six suspected collaborators with Israel in a large Gaza City intersection Tuesday, witnesses said. An Associated Press reporter saw a large mob surrounding five of the bloodied corpses shortly after the killing.

Some in the crowd stomped and spat on the bodies. A sixth corpse was tied to a motorcycle and dragged through the streets as people screamed, "Spy! Spy!"

The Hamas military wing, Izzedine al-Qassam, claimed responsibility in a large handwritten note attached to a nearby electricity pole. Hamas said the six were killed because they gave Israel information about fighters and rocket launching sites.

The killing came on the seventh day of an Israeli military offensive that has killed more than 120 Palestinians, both militants and civilians. Israel relies on a network of local informers to identify its targets in Gaza.

The six were killed on Tuesday afternoon in Gaza City's Sheik Radwan neighborhood. Witnesses said a van stopped in the intersection, and four masked men pushed the six suspected informers out of the vehicle. Salim Mahmoud, 18, said the gunmen ordered the six to lie face down in the street and then shot them dead. Another witness, 13-year-old Mokhmen al-Gazhali, said the informers were killed one by one, as he mimicked the sound of gunfire.

No trial, no judicial process, no defence attorneys. Just a bullet in the head.

And some of the loony tunes on Care 2 think Israel can and should negotiate with these savages.

Alexander Werner (53)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 12:26 pm
Stan, Arafat also did that.

The fun part came later, when it was discovered that the killed guys were not spies. Then they were declared Martyrs and sort of the Holy Ones.

Rebecca Y (26)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 1:23 pm
I am so sick of hearing about these fools that continue bombing and killing and to what end? Perhaps they want everyone to be dead! I don't blame Israel one bit for firing back, however, if no one bombs anyone perhaps there could be peace over there but for now, and generations before now, it seems they are hell bent on destroying themselves and the land. They don't care if little children are in the way...they believe in suicide bombing and they will strap the damn things onto infants if it serves their purpose!...whatever their purpose might be. It's just plain stupid.

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 2:33 pm
It really is a shame that we, in this country have chosen to take a completely one sided view of a 64 year old problem and have forgotten that all are victims except the government leaders. Netanyahu is at the top of the list of those using his people for his own personal agenda. Sounds like another GW Bush.

Please, before you point fingers, check your history and read ALL of the available news. This one sided propaganda is not benefiting the innocent on both sidea who are suffering.

Nancy Black (308)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 4:03 pm
Noted, tweeted, tweeted and shared. No excuse to kill children. Hamas should be exposed for this. When the press doesn't check their facts properly, they contribute to more acts such as this; more children will die. If we expose the wrong-doers, we stop future acts. If we allow them to gain from murder, they will continue. Care 2 tell us more about this, please.

Alexander Werner (53)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 10:17 am
Carrie, Gazans who elected Hamas are guilty for this war. Hamas are honest guys, I respect them for that, they honestly tell they want to war with Israel until its destruction. They promised war, they got elected, they made war - and now all those who wanted to see "glorious defeat of Israel" and instead got a bad economy and bombing are innocent?

The world treats Palestinian Arabs as if they were kids, unable to think and take responsibility for their actions!

Israelis did nothing to provoke it.

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