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Why Was There War in Gaza?

World  (tags: Hamas' lies, demonization of Israel, Hamas' destruction of its own )

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Resistance to the occupation, say Hamas and many in the international media. What occupation? Seven years ago, in front of the world, Israel pulled out of Gaza. It dismantled every settlement, withdrew every soldier, evacuated every Jew, leaving nothing

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Beth S (330)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 11:42 pm
War was in Gaza, because Gaza calls for the total destruction of Israel. Utter annihilation of the state and Jews. Arab Muslims can live in Israel. Can Israelis live in Gaza? Not if the word live is meant literally.

Alexander W (53)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 9:17 am
Beth, there is no question why there was a war in Gaza.

The question is, what people hoping that Muslim Brotherhood - Gaza(Hamas) can live in peace with Israel, or that Muslim Brotherhood - Egypt (Morse & Co) can live in peace with Israel, or any other Islamist-run entities and live in peace with Israel are placing their hopes on?

Beth S (330)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 7:32 pm
It's a good point, Bob. I just saw an article that John McCain is so upset that he is suggesting strongly that the U.S. stop giving billions of dollars to Egypt.

Certainly, Islamist Muslim Brotherhood did quite a PR job with hundreds of secret visits to the White House and the billions of dollars spent in PR-campaigns in the U.S. and Europe. So in many ways, this administration gave the Muslim Brotherhood a free pass. It also has sold Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood 100 Abrams tanks. For what purpose? What about the other weapons the U.S. has sold to an Egypt whose angry populace -- angry in great part at lack of jobs, trash collecting on the streets, secular Egyptians who have been locked out of a say in the kind of Egypt that will become manifest, as well as MB and Salafist types agitating for a complete submission to Sharia and war against Israel.

This last part is very important, because Sharia holds that a country once Muslim can never be non-Muslim again. That means the very presence of a non-Islamic Israel is a theological slap in the face to Muslim fundamentalists.

Thus, there is every reason to believe that Egypt will continue to supply U.S.- and other-made weapons through the borders and smuggling tunnels to Hamas, and Hamas is guaranteed a quick and full resupply of weapons that it lost to targeted Israeli missiles.

Most of the people in Gaza ("Palestinians") are actually of direct Egyptian descent or just plain old Egyptians, as was Yasser Arafat. So there is an extra familial bond between Egypt and the Gaza, which adds electricity to this mix. In addition, there is a huge overpopulation problem in both Egypt and in Gaza. In Gaza, this is largely due to the heeding of the calls of Arafat, who said to take the war to the Palestinian bedrooms, and the Gazans complied.

It is therefore not enough that Israel pulled completely out of Gaza a number of years ago, but that a burgeoning Gazan population has room to expand, in the only direction it can -- eastward.

There is also the case of Hamas' charter, a veritable specimen of mental illness if there ever was one, and one can see that based on that alone, there is absolutely NO chance that Hamas could live in peace with Israel, when they are committed to destroying Israel and its inhabitants.

As is so often the case in the Islamic way of thinking, it is never their responsibility, but always someone else's. This leads to large-scale scape-goating and the refusal of accepting the mantle of maturity and responsibility. Introspection in the Islamic way of thinking is alien, replaced largely by irrationality (rationality within the context of Islamic irrationality) and tempers that go from 0-100 in hypertime.

So no, Bob, this is a lost cause. There is no hope, perhaps if large-scale lobotomies took place, barring that from happening, this is not resolvable until Israel completely and irreversibly destroys this threat.

Richard B (6)
Monday November 26, 2012, 12:56 am
I've heard there was a major gas find in Gaza. Somebody wanted their greedy hands on it and displace/remove the population. The culprit could be a major gas consortium. Again. Doesn't it seem like everything revolve around oil?

Richard B (6)
Monday November 26, 2012, 12:59 am
Could be a major oil company playing behind the scenes behind Netanyahu.

Richard B (6)
Monday November 26, 2012, 1:04 am
The oil company doesn't care about Israel or Palestine. It cares about money.

Richard B (6)
Monday November 26, 2012, 1:11 am
Lobotomies should be meted out to both sides as they haven't been smart enough to find out who's playing them for fools.

Jennifer Ward (40)
Monday November 26, 2012, 2:45 am
Richard- the only gas in Gaza is coming out of the collective bottoms of Hamas. Israel has found a huge amount of gas just off its shore- that is why Turkey and Iran are revving up their stooges in Gaza. They are desperate to clear all the Jews out of Israel for the gas reserves and the high tech industrial installations. The whole scenario is right out of Herr Hitler's playbook.

Alexander W (53)
Monday November 26, 2012, 8:10 am
Richard, Arabs started their wars with Israel way before the gas discovery.

Joseph Gregory Paquette (1)
Monday November 26, 2012, 2:32 pm
Noted, signed, & twitter entry made

Tom Edgar (56)
Monday November 26, 2012, 6:34 pm
Israel started the wars in Palestine before it became Israel to force the hands of Britain, France, and the U S A into confiscating the country and giving it to a religion. Never forget the Stern gangs bombing of the Hotel King David in Tel Aviv. I'd like to say it was the first "Terrorist " event but then I remember the letter box bombs in the 1930's in the U K by the Irish Freedom fighters, who also wanted their country back. Then there was all those annihilations of Red Indians, Australian Aborigines, the forced deportation of all the citizens of Diego Garcia & the theft of their land, (that's a bit like Israel really), by the U S A with the active cooperation of the Brits, the list is endless. But then they weren't "Terrorist" acts were they? They weren't committed by Muslims.

Thomas B (1)
Monday November 26, 2012, 6:46 pm
Becauseeveryone in Gaza knows that when Assad goes down, Iran will not be able to prop up Hamas through Syria and Hezbolah anymore.

Carola May (20)
Monday November 26, 2012, 11:46 pm
Tom Edgar, again, you rant the PC leftist spew you are supposed to say. Everything in the West is evil and all our history is cruel and evil, while the poor poor, loving, kind Muslims are always the victims of hate and misunderstanding.

YOU seem to forget that Islam conquered all the countries it now dominates and rules. An estimated 270 million non-Muslims were slaughtered in the invasion, conquest and, yes, occupation. Where is your outrage over the continued occupation of all these lands by Muslims - Syria, Turkey (where Greeks lived for 8000 years), Egypt (where the Christian Copts are the only true Egyptians after Islam's bloody conquest), Morocco, Malaysia, Afghanistan (once a peaceful, progressive Buddhist land before brutal Islam invaded) etc etc etc?

Why don't any of you braindead leftists ever demand that Muslims pull out of the lands they invaded, slaughtering the native peoples and subjected to Islam's barbarism? Muslims took what they could from the conquered peoples, since they had nothing much in the way of inventions beforehand then destroyed those cultures. And people like you pat them on the head for their destruction of indigenous peoples and cultures.

The noted historian, Will Durant, said the Muslim invasion of India alone was the most brutal in human history with over 80 million non-Muslims slaughtered, Buddhism destroyed in its birthplace and their temples leveled. Islam actually teaches this violence and conquest, if you ever bothered to read their trilogy. "War is ordained of Allah". You have no credibility.

Herbert E (10)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 5:32 am
I just had to send one green star. One, that's right. Thank you.

M B (62)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 2:29 pm

39%– Percentage increase in settler violence against Palestinian civilians since 2010.
315% – Percentage increase in settler violence against Palestinian civilians since 2007.
7,500 – Estimated number of Palestinian olive trees vandalized by Israeli settlers in 2012.
1.2 million – Estimated number of Palestinian olive trees uprooted by Israel since 1967.
80,000 – Number of Palestinian families in the occupied territories who rely on farming for their livelihood.
42% –Percentage of denial for applications submitted by Palestinian farmers for permits to access olive groves behind Israel’s apartheid wall.
30% – Percentage of Gaza’s agricultural land rendered inaccessible because of Israel’s ‘buffer zone.’
1 – Number of suspects indicted out of 162 documented complaints of settler attacks against Palestinian olive trees.

Tom Edgar (56)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 10:05 pm
Twice I have posted a rebuttal to Carola May. Twice it has not appeared on this site. AM I PERSONA NON GRATA?

Tom Edgar (56)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 10:44 pm

Carola May This time I'll try to be succinct. Firstly I'll back my Jewish lineage against yours. Second I am a WW 2 veteran, well into my eighties, and a lifelong ATHEIST, so I hold no brief for Islam nor any other religion.
I am also living a solitary life in the Australian Bush and I resent any impugning of my character by inferring I am a"Brain Dead" mouthpiece for any organisation you wish to dream up. My observations are from a lifetime of living which included being in many of the Far and Middle Eastern countries. I Have had valued and deeply attached friendships with a Pastor of the Church of the Nazarene and an Imam of the Brisbane Mosque not forgetting a 46 year marriage to my darling wife a Quaker. My own home was used as a "Meeting House" for isolated "Bush" Quakers with myself doing the catering.

You cannot instance once where I have supported or vilified Judaism, Islam or Christianity per se. Israel, Palestine, and a myriad other countries maybe.

I have never forgotten the wars or atrocities committed in the name of Islam nor have I forgotten the same thing applies to others in the name of crusading Christianity. Your ridiculous and ill founded observations regarding Coptic Christian being the only true Egyptians belie=s that the rest of the populace are descended from the Pharaonic times and their Gods thousands of years before Coptics, or any other Christians, came into existence.

Where is my outrage at the occupation of lands occupied by Muslims? Exactly the same place as it is in reference to the occupation of lands by Christians. such as the U S A, South and Central America, the Phillipines, the list is endless, and has as much credibility.

As for the peaceful Buddhists I remind you that to this day the British have used the Ghurkha as their most treasured and fearful warriors. Mostly devout Buddhists. It is not a coincidence that the British coined the saying. "First the Soldier, then the Cross then the Business." First of all subjugation, then indoctrination, then exploitation."

If you want to find cold blooded terrorising massacre go no further back than 1919 in Jallianwalla Bagh Amritsar . India. When the British murdered and maimed thousands of unarmed peaceful men women and children in a market enclosure.

Should you wish to empty the countries occupied in the name of religion there are going to be some pretty empty places, starting with the U S of America,( plus North, Central and South) Africa (All of it). I'll have to stop as I did say I'd be succinct and there are so many countries, just about every damned one.
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