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The Daughter of An Arab Warrior Tells Her Tale


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Ge
- 883 days ago - aish.com
I hope that my story will shed light on the truth in the Middle East to every American; especially to those who subscribe to the erroneous idea that U.S. policy in that region must have caused Islamic and Arab hatred of the West. My father, who was not



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Vicky P. (462)
Sunday March 18, 2012, 12:09 pm
interesting
 

Allan Yorkowitz (452)
Sunday March 18, 2012, 12:20 pm
Beautifully written article -thank you.
 

Beth S. (323)
Sunday March 18, 2012, 2:20 pm
If only so many more Middle Eastern Muslims felt the same way.... Thanks for posting, Gillian.
 

monica r. (41)
Sunday March 18, 2012, 5:38 pm
It is good to see a word from someone who values life and sees the waste of life that jihad is.
 

Fred H. (31)
Monday March 19, 2012, 12:08 am
I've been lucky enough to have met Nonie Darwish. I appreciate her willingness to tell the truth and admire her bravery.
 

Tommy S. (11)
Monday March 19, 2012, 2:59 am
Quote...It was a different kind of love, a peaceful kind of love that wants nothing in return...Unquote

When you can give unconditional love..you have seen the face of God
kudos to Nonie Darwish
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (273)
Monday March 19, 2012, 3:20 am
A GREAT POST TY
 

Ge M. (216)
Monday March 19, 2012, 6:13 am
I'm envious Fred, this is one hell of a lady.
 

paul m. (93)
Monday March 19, 2012, 7:09 am

I understand her, good girl..
 

. (0)
Monday March 19, 2012, 12:25 pm
Noted, thanks.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday March 19, 2012, 12:30 pm
There are traitors and obviously traitresses to every cause.
 

Janet B. (36)
Monday March 19, 2012, 12:42 pm
LOVE JESUS CHRIST AND ALL WILL BE WELL!!!!! JESUS WAS THE CHOSEN SON TO DIE FOR OUR SINS! AND TO GIVE US EVERLASTING LIFE!!!!! HE IS THE WAY!!!! THE WILL!!!! AND THE TRUTH!!! FOR ALL OF MANKIND! ANIMALS! OCEANS! LAND! MOUNTAINS! HEAVENS AND ALL!!! AMEN!!!! HOW I LOVE JESUS CHRIST! AND HEAVENLY FATHER!!!!!
 

Kari Knabe (14)
Monday March 19, 2012, 1:30 pm
Thank you, Ms. Darwish, for having the courage to share your story!! Thank you Gillian for posting!!
 

Catherine Turley (198)
Monday March 19, 2012, 1:50 pm
i honestly cannot stand the painting of any religion or group with such a broad brush.
 

Charlie Rush (53)
Monday March 19, 2012, 3:10 pm
Religious instutions are about POWER, CONTROL and GREED.
They have nothing to do with god. Following the teachings of Christ, are only wordes, that they do not follow.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Monday March 19, 2012, 4:07 pm
What a wonderful and well written piece by a very courageous young woman, who thinks for herself and can see the horrific damage done to young minds by the satanic cult of Islam. This is a story others have told and been condemned for it. They are truly brave when they turn their backs on ISLAM. Thanks Gillian.
 

Beth S. (323)
Monday March 19, 2012, 4:32 pm
John D. says:

"There are traitors and obviously traitresses to every cause."

It's interesting how he inadvertently validates the whole idea of any Muslim siding with the Israelis is by definition a traitor. For a guy who claims to be an atheist, this is as sad indictment of the Arab and Islamic mentality.
 

Stan B. (124)
Monday March 19, 2012, 5:40 pm
Thanks for a fascinating article. Another billion like her and we could all relax.
 

pam w. (191)
Monday March 19, 2012, 5:54 pm
Catherine Turley "i honestly cannot stand the painting of any religion or group with such a broad brush."

+++++++++++++++ This is her story! HER STORY! You "honestly cannot stand" her point of view? And why would that be? It's not YOUR life.....it's hers! And she's obviously brave enough to risk being labeled "blasphemer" by her "loving Islamic countrymen."

 

Past Member (0)
Monday March 19, 2012, 6:06 pm
So what? She's still generalising, the vile woman.
 

Carmen S. (611)
Monday March 19, 2012, 6:17 pm
noted, thanks GIllian for sharing this
 

Ge M. (216)
Monday March 19, 2012, 6:17 pm
pillow, you are an atheist so why would this woman be vile? You call her a traitor because she dislikes a religion that does nothing but teach hate but she has the right to do that as she is allowed to think for herself, or is she in a democratic country? She wouldn't be allowed to in a moslem controlled country.

Oh, I see, you are actually a moslem who has been programmed to hate but are so embarrassed about it that you cannot admit it. No wonder you hide yourself.


 

pam w. (191)
Monday March 19, 2012, 6:22 pm
When all else fails....insult the source! It's her life, her history and her experiences (which YOU obviously have not lived) but.....insult the source!

(One of the major rules of DEFENDING ISLAM!)

(Next rule....insult the person who disagrees with your insults.....that would be me! Use demeaning terms such as "POOR PAM"......so that everyone will admire your verbal facility and mental acuity.)
 

Beth S. (323)
Monday March 19, 2012, 6:24 pm
John D.,

Like you don't generalize???????????????????

And your generalizations aren't vile, slanted, distorted and warped????????????????
 

Past Member (0)
Monday March 19, 2012, 6:34 pm
Poor, poor Pam this time. Supporting the well-known racist Gillian Miller, who refers to "white women".
 

Past Member (0)
Monday March 19, 2012, 6:36 pm
Poor, poor Beth S.

How many question marks do you need to try to emphasise? It's a sign of the weakness of your argument. I suppose you have the green ink for underlining when you use a pen and paper.
 

Ge M. (216)
Monday March 19, 2012, 6:43 pm
pillow, I am waiting for you to stop insulting everyone (a sign of an inability to support an argument) and explain why this woman is a vile traitor. All you are doing at the moment is being rude and insulting and, as for calling me a racist, perhaps you should look in the mirror first.
 

Ge M. (216)
Monday March 19, 2012, 6:49 pm
Definition of traitor:

1: one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty
2: one who commits treason

 

Beth S. (323)
Monday March 19, 2012, 6:50 pm
Poor, poor John D.

Repetition is a sign of weakness, hmmmm?

??

?? :)
 

. (7)
Monday March 19, 2012, 7:11 pm
This is a very brave woman. I commend her highly for speaking against the vile, deeply ingrained, pervasive anti-Semitism in Islamic cultures. Such comments there are viewed as treason and often treated as such.

Unfortunately it goes back to the very beginning of Islam, and is found along with hatred toward the Christians and virtually all non-Muslims in the Qur'an and Hadiths.
 

pam w. (191)
Monday March 19, 2012, 7:15 pm
When truth and logic fail....fall back on the basic rules of defending the indefensible....

1. Deny, deny, deny
2. Insult the questioner
3. Insult the source
 

Beth S. (323)
Monday March 19, 2012, 7:16 pm
Gillian is most certainly NOT a racist. She is a very beautiful human being who has cared for, loved and supported children of all races and religions in her work with them.

Thank you, Gillian for posting this story. It's very important for Care 2 readers to see other sides of this conflict

 

pam w. (191)
Monday March 19, 2012, 7:42 pm
(Beth....see Rule 2, above.)
 

Past Member (0)
Monday March 19, 2012, 7:44 pm
Having read so many autobiographies of girls raised in Islamic societies, this in one more first hand account that adds to the voices of the few who actually have the opportunity to see ways of life that are not based on submission and strict observance of the twisted take on a war-based religion. There are many women and girls and boys and men who are at such a great disadvantage of these limited views and brain washings, and their lives are stunted. They are driven to hate and take life away from all who are living in freedom, while they have never experienced freedom themselves. We have been warned by so many women who have escaped this horror that all who are not considered to be Muslim are targeted for death as "Infidela". This ignorance must end.
 

Julie van Niekerk (230)
Monday March 19, 2012, 10:42 pm
Any religion is good - only when you behave accordingly. I see many hypocrits going to church and their actions are very evil.
 

pam w. (191)
Monday March 19, 2012, 10:57 pm
"Any religion is good?"

Julie, Julie, Julie.....read the Quran and then tell me how "good" it is for women!
Oh...and don't forget the hadiths.


Please.....I'll wait.
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Monday March 19, 2012, 11:43 pm
What a very brave woman! With Islam being the only religion that commands its followers to kill anyone who criticizes it or leaves it (like the Mafia) she is in grave danger. This is a society of tribal superstitions and 'shame' based codes of dis-honor. Hopefully she will find a safe haven and continue to speak out about these Medieval ideas.

We've been reading Gillians comments for some time and there is nothing 'racist' about her. She makes very good reasonable comments. Shouting 'racist', 'hatemonger' and 'islamaphobe' only shows how weak the Islamist defense really is. They can't deny the hate Islam teaches in all of its books and the terrible example of Mohammed himself who expelled all the Jews from Arabia, those he hadn't already had murdered (he stole all their goods too, bandit that he was), so they rant and rave and call people names who expose them for what they are.

Pam W, right to the point, and a very good one too!
 

Carola May (20)
Monday March 19, 2012, 11:56 pm
I do hope she won't be killed now! John D is his usual hateful self, not caring one whit for the victims of this death cult, but always defending its bigotry, cruelty and oppression. How can he look himself in the eye and not be disgusted?

For you who know nothing about Islam's tenets, you make a big mistake to assume it teaches love your neighbour (only if s/he is a Muslims), turn the other cheek, forgive, don't judge or throw stones etc. Mohammed taught the exact opposite to all of these things. Everything.

Read the Qur'an, the supposed words direct from the Arab deity Allah (not the god of Abraham, Mohammed never knew that god's name):

http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/

And the hadith give the context for the Qur'an, which makes little sense as much is missing from the original and it isn't in the order written. The hadith tells what evil Mohammed and his henchmen did without the slightest bit of shame, amazingly enough! His debauchery, pedophilia, hate, mass murders, lying, deceit, banditry, rape and enslavement of captives. It's all there and the Islamists get furious when anyone exposes it all with name calling. It must be embarrassing, so why stay in this cult of hate, oppression and death if it bothers you so much?

http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/

PLEASE READ THESE ISLAMIC BOOKS, SEE FOR YOURSELF WHAT THEY SAY, and quit defending something the opposes everything caring, progressive people believe in -- human and animal rights of all kinds! Please!
 

ewoud k. (73)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 1:09 am
As long as avenge stays the main idea that governs the middle east (mind you: both sides, muslims and jews) no durable peaceful solution will be possible.

Even if Nonie isn't the only one who rejects martyrdom and avenge, there are far too much who still believe in these deadly ideas. Even here on C2 it seems...

Thanks for posting Gillian!
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 1:50 am
cmje.org ? That well known hate site? You must be joking.
 

Parvez Zuberi (7)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 2:03 am
Thanks for sharing the article
 

John J. (0)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 2:34 am

This lady is very brave because even mohammed stated that whosoever changes their islamic religion-- Kill them
That was 1400 years ago
Jump forward to January 2012 when the mufti is asked "Why are apostates killed"
He replies
"First and foremost, an apostate is killed simply because it is an order of the Sharī’ah. We do not have any authority in questioning the law of Allah. Allah Ta’ālā is the All-Wise. The wisdom and benefits behind His every ruling are unfathomable by our feeble minds."

mobots talking about feeble minds
 

Pam F. (234)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 3:06 am
Thank you, Gillian, for posting this excellent article - Nonie Darwish is certainly an intelligent, rational, and well-balanced human being.......I only wish there were many more like her.
 

Ge M. (216)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 3:23 am
pillow, still waiting for a coherent answer to my question as to why this brave woman is a vile traitor, could it be that she is speaking the truth and you don't want to hear it?

 

Cal Mendelsohn (976)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 4:10 am
Thanks for posting this Gllian:

I especially like these passages fromt he article:

"Christians were commonly called "Blue Bone." I never knew what that meant, but I do know that it meant something bad. When I grew up and finished college I could not stay in this society any longer. My love of life won and I refused to fall into the cycle of hate and live in a society with clashing contradictions. The culture that does not have enough value for life will not have value for people to get together to advance their economic and social condition. That is why most Middle East and Moslem countries are economic basket cases. Thank God a country called the United States opened its arms to people from all across the world, and I was honored to immigrate to the U.S. over 23 years ago and become a part of this great nation.
I could not adjust to a Middle East culture that orphans its own children.
I could not adjust to a Middle East culture that doesn't value children's life enough, a culture that orphans its own children and is so obsessed with hatred of Jews that it's ready to sacrifice the morals and health of its family structure over a few miles of land and the city of Jerusalem, which is the holy land of Jews and Christians. Unfortunately, thcurrent Islamic culture is in the process of committing moral suicide."

Moral depravity is not exclusive to Islam or any other religion, but its' pervasiveness is another story.

As the song goes in South Pacific "You have to be taught to hate and fear,. You have to be carefully taught"
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 4:13 am
Brave girl! Hope she and her family will be safe!
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 4:56 am
You've had an answer Gillian. Anyone who can refer to "white women" marrying "Muslims" is a racist.

Furthermore, this woman is a liar. What she describes is not even a caricature of the truth.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 4:57 am
Cal M

Unsurprising that you like something that is so patently propaganda and a tissue of lies spewing from this woman's odious mouth.
 

Bernard Cronyn (30)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 5:09 am
I suppose that John D Pillow Ravisher thinks that the women in his homeland of Morocco who are campaigning against the law there that forces raped women to marry their rapist are also described by his wise re-manufactured word as "traitresses".
 

monica r. (41)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 5:25 am
And John Pillow has so often told us how wonderful things are for women in his beloved Morocco. In what alternate universe is equality for women going to include "hey little girl, you are a minor and got raped, so to fix that. lets have you marry the guy that raped you" (so he can do it some more)?

No doubt I, too, will receive an ad hominem attack for disagreeing with him, but in the world of debate, ad hominem means "I have no defense for my own position so now I will resort to personal attacks". Trifling.
 

Vlasta M. (7)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 5:53 am
So called "Palestinian problem" was caused by the Arab's desire to annihilate what Jews were able to build in Palestine since they started moving into the area in mid 19th century. Many Arabs came into Palestine from neighboring areas because Jews made the land livable again. Envy and hatred of the Jews are taught in Koran and Hadith. IN 1948 when after tremendous struggle Jews accepted the Second partition of Palestine, all Arab states attacked it in desire to annihilate Jews and loot their property. They promised Arab masses a qui8ck return and loot of Jewish property, as they had done with Jewish property in all Arab countries from which Jews had to flee starting after WWI and pogroms against them.

The Jewish refugees from Arab countries were settled in Israel and now form over 50% of the Jewish population of Israel, while Arab refugees were prevented from settling in Arab countreis and are still kept on UN dole and making babies because amount of dole depends on the number of children. Those miserable kids are taught that Jews are devils and Islam teaches them that the highest goal in life is to die as a martyr, i.e. by murdering Jews and Americans.

When Arabs start teaching their children respect for work and respect for non-Muslims especially for what Jews had accomplished with hard work and creative application of their knowledge, there will be peace. Islam must REFORM to make it compatible with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and all Arab refugees resettled in lands and properties left by the Jews in the Arab world.
 

Ge M. (216)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 11:13 am
pillow, it is a sympton of your mental problem that you find the term "white woman" racist when it is, in fact, a description.

"Furthermore, this woman is a liar. What she describes is not even a caricature of the truth"
"Unsurprising that you like something that is so patently propaganda and a tissue of lies spewing from this woman's odious mouth"

How do you know that this woman is a liar? Why do you say that this is not even a caricature of the truth?You have never lived her life nor in her country. Unless you are a female moslem you cannot appreciate her point of view. As for propaganda, this is her life and her view of it, who are you to decide what is her truth? Have you met this woman and can know that she is odious?

I am still waiting for a coherent answer to my question as to why this brave woman is a vile traitor, could it be that she is speaking the truth and you don't want to hear it? This refusal to answer and to be rude and aggressive is the answer in itself, that you cannot face the truth and which to demean her by calling her names. All you are doing is making yourself look stupid and pathetic.

I am sorry for you that you can only look to find something to twist to fit your lack of morality and your worship of Islam.

 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 11:45 am
What country might that be Gillian? I note that she herself keeps it secret so the better to spread her miasmic propaganda. If you could tell me, then I could tell you if I have lived there.

As for your ridiculous assertion about "worship" of Islam, you know perfectly well that I am an atheist.
 

Cousin It Addams (8)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 12:26 pm
i'm horrified but not really surprised to hear a woman who values life called "traitress [sic]" to a cause. just cause she wishes her dad had lived, just cause the accolades and support didn't last long, just cause she knows he was lost just before getting out of that work, that makes her a traitoress? in what way? it wasn't HER cause, it was her dad's job, and just a job to him.

am i getting this, that she should be glad she lost her dad and maybe thrown her own life away too and since she went out in the world and found some truth for herself she's odious all of a sudden? nothing i've seen from her is odious. she cares about human rights and i am glad to hear her story. it takes courage to do what she did.

thanx for posting this story gillian. very inspiring.
 

Michela m. (3864)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 1:03 pm
Noted
 

Ge M. (216)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 3:20 pm
pillow, does it matter? It is a moslem dominated country and it could any one around Israel and it still could be.

“One cannot and must not try to erase the past merely because it does not fit the present.” Golda Meir

"As for your ridiculous assertion about "worship" of Islam, you know perfectly well that I am an atheist"

You CLAIM to be an atheist but live in a moslem controlled country and praise anything to do with Islam. You claim to have lived in other moslem controlled countries. That does not make you an atheist but a moslem. If you were the atheist you claim to be then you would not be rude and aggressive to a point beyond imbecility about this woman's story. You insult her but do not give a reason. This shows a true hatred of this woman, her story and feelings which clearly indicates a hatred of someone who shows Islam and the disgusting behaviour of those that hate Jews for no reason to the extent that they brainwash their children to die.

“We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us” Golda Meir

 

Joe R. (189)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 3:36 pm
One brave and amazing woman! Great post.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 4:46 pm
But it does matter oh Gillian. Why? Because if we don't know the country - and this traitress makes sure we don't - she can subtly suggest that it's every Muslim majority country that is evil. How can you possibly accept this farago of crap? You don't even know where she's talking about. It makes it pretty difficult to refute. Not only is this woman odious, she is clever. I suppose she had Zionist Entity help and advice.

As for the Russian born American Jewess war criminal Golda Meir, who would listen to a vile liar such as her except people such as you?
 

Ge M. (216)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 5:10 pm
Pillow, is there a difference in any of the moslem controlled countries? It does not matter which country it was but I suspect Egypt, the country that was whopped by Israel twice.

Golda Meir was a great woman who led a tiddly little country who wiped their feet all over the surrounding moslem controlled countries. No wonder you hate her but she didn't lie, she didn't need to unlike you. You call everyone, especially women (more proof of your moslem status) vile and liars because you cannot cope with the fact that they are better than you.

And no, I don't accept the farago of crap that you are talking. You have failed to provide any evidence of your hatred other than to insult a woman whose feet are too good for her to wipe dog muck off on to you. Your behaviour when you are challenged and unable to come up with any reason or explanation you become hysterical and blame everyone and everything that you can think of. This is not the behaviour of a rational person. You are defensive of your insults, aggressive of your dislike of having your great love of Islam challenged and then lie and call yourself an atheist.

 

pam w. (191)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 5:11 pm
Gillian, anyone who writes this critically of Islam, ESPECIALLY a female, would naturally hide/change points of her identity in order to protect family left behind. As we both know, if drawing a CARTOON can get someone killed, writing about one's dissatisfaction and actually expressing an OPINION would surely result in death by anger-fed thugs!
 

Ge M. (216)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 5:20 pm
Thanks Pam, I think that the pillow has too many mental health problems to understand that. He has made himself ridiculous in his accusations and behaviour and merely illustrates the problems that this woman has. I'm glad for her that she was able to escape the moslem controlled country and is talking about her past and her fears in such a clear and unbiased manner. It seems that the brave moslem girls and women who speak out against their ill treatment are ridiculed by those who fear that people will believe them and the truth.
 

pam w. (191)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 5:24 pm
Yes....I realize more and more how much of Islam is about total control of thought, word and deed. Because it's NOT a religion but is really a political system, it can't trust an entire population unless it controls every facet of their lives. The brave individuals who are able to SEE brainwashing for what it is and, like this woman, take control of their own lives and escape are extraordinarily dangerous to Islam.

I do worry for her friends and family "back home."
 

Ge M. (216)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 6:58 pm
Send a Green Star to pam w.
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to pam because you have done so within the last week.

Sadly Pam I have to agree with you. I think the worst part must be those who are controlled and do not wish to be but have no choice. An example was the first book that I had read on a girl who was able to take control of her life and it is one I thoroughly recommend, "I Am Nujood, Age 10 and Divorced" who is from the Yemen. I have lent this out to several people and the story has amazed them. Not just the bravery of Nujood but the fact that a little girl could be forcibly married to a paedophile, who raped her, while his mother held her down. The sheer strength of character is incredible and you can feel her pain and determination. This has been carefully translated and edited and you can hear that a little girl has written this but had the determination to help herself. She was also lucky with who helped her. I am hoping that those who read this book, or one of the others written by other girls in a similar predicament, will continue to try to help free more of them and to speak out agsint the injustices and suffering that they go through.

I do get irate at brainwashed morons such as the pillow who, I'm sure, will designate her as a vile liar, a traitoress and a puppet or pawn of the Zionist entity. These people are pathetic to decry those that have suffered and spoken out in the hope that others can be helped.

If this article brings understanding to some so that they may try to help these children not to be killed needlessly and thereby, indirectly, help to stop an Israeli dying then she has done a wonderful thing.

If you save a life it is as if you have saved the world.


 

pam w. (191)
Tuesday March 20, 2012, 10:46 pm
Gillian, I think the ultimate definition of a fanatic is someone who cannot see the logic and humanity of another person victimized by tyranny. Thus..."average" Germans were able to tolerate the atrocities of Nazi horrors inflicted on innocent Jews. Thus..."average" people are unable to SEE the violence and hypocrisy of Islam and the way it perpetrates itself in the guise of "religion."

And this is how PAWNS are formed!

For reasons of their own, many people attempt to justify the tactics/philosophies/violence/terrorism of Islam. Possibly, it's because they are severely anti-social and long to see themselves as HEROES who DEFEND THE INNOCENT MINORITY against the "tyranny" of the western world which they dislike. (We can only wonder why they dislike their own society enough to embrace a murderous form of tyranny which would almost certainly remove them from its midst...as a "keffir" or "infidel" or....even worse....as a western, independent woman!)

Western-raised people see the world through the FILTER of our freedoms of thought and speech. Unless we have actually traveled and SEEN how Islam treats its subjects, we have NO IDEA of the depth of deception it practices between the public propaganda and the real restrictions it imposes.

 

Kathy Javens (104)
Thursday March 22, 2012, 9:32 am
Noted. I loved this article and wish many more thought as she does. Thank you, Gillian.
 

Berny p. (23)
Friday March 23, 2012, 8:23 am

Thank you, Gillian for posting this story. It's very important for Care 2 readers to see other sides of this conflict
 

Carola May (20)
Friday March 23, 2012, 9:44 am
So awful how the Islamist hatemongers like John D et al show up to spew their hatefilled venom, never offering any proof to disprove the facts presented against Islam and its ideology of hate and repression and death. They can't, so all they can do is rant and call names.

It's sickening how this person claims to be for human rights yet defends everything Islamic. I've never heard him once condemn any of the teachings of hate, cruelty, killing, oppression and violence so common in Islamic writings. Not once. What a hypocrite. Best to ignore them.
 

Carola May (20)
Monday April 30, 2012, 12:40 am
This good woman asked as a child: "why should God want us to die for a cause when he gave us life?"

Indeed, why does Islam teach such hatred for this life and ridicule those who love life? It's a sickness to believe in a god of such hate and misery.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday April 30, 2012, 2:41 am
Carola May

"the facts presented against Islam"

But you can only present those "facts" from hate sites, which menas that they are not facts at all.
 

Ge M. (216)
Monday April 30, 2012, 6:53 am
Pillow, Carola quoted from a biography, how is that a hate site? All you have proven over a period of time is a pathological hatred of anyone who has the audacity to disagree with you over your perverted love of all that is Islam and that included abusing Nonie Darwish, as shown above, for daring to write her own life history which you disliked. You come across as an uneducated bully who is unable to discuss anything because you are unable to find sources to disagree with what is said so just jump up and down and scream, like a 2 year old having a tantrum.

Try disagreeing with this without calling anyone names. Find sources etc in other words, apart from abusing me personally, is there anything here that you can disprove? Are you going to sulk or have a tantrum?

Mohammed had to convince people that Jesus was not the Son the God. If Jesus was the promised Messiah, there would have been no need for another prophet and no need for Mohammed because the prophecy would have been fulfilled.

Mohammed referred to Christians often and always with venom and hate.

This is just a few of the lines from the Quran that refer to Christians:

"Allah will tear Christians apart for ascribing partners to him."

"Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my partners that you used to believe in?"

"Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire."

Teaching Hatred of Christians and Jews in Muslim Schools in the U.K.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hBXHtQDxOo (From the BBC)

What if Mickey Mouse were Muslim?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWIFhKYiMqU&feature=player_embedded

The holiest book of Islam (61% of which is about non-Muslims) draws the sharpest of distinctions between Muslims (the best of people, 3:110) and non-believers (the worst of creatures, 98:6). Praise is lavished on the former while the latter is condemned with scorching generalization. Far from teaching universal love, the Quran incessantly preaches the inferiority of non-Muslims, even comparing them to vile animals and gloating over Allah's hatred of them and his dark plans for their eternal torture.

The Quran makes it clear that Islam is not about universal brotherhood, but about the brotherhood of believers:

The Believers are but a single Brotherhood (49:10)

Not all men are equal under Islam. Slaves and the handicapped are not equal to healthy free men, for example (16:75-76). The Quran introduces the “Law of Equality,” which establishes different levels of human value when considering certain matters, such as restitution for murder (2:178).

Neither are Muslim believers equal to non-Muslims:

Are those who know equal to those who know not? (39:09)

Is the blind equal to the one who sees" Or darkness equal to light? (13:16)

The Quran plainly tells Muslims that they are a favored race, while those of other religions are “perverted transgressors”:

Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (3:110)

Allah condemns non-Muslims to Hell based merely on their unbelief, while believers are rewarded with the finest earthly comforts in the hereafter, including never-ending food, wine and sex (56:12-40). In fact, much of the Quran is devoted to distinguishing Muslims from non-Muslims and impugning the latter.

The first sura of the Quran is an example of this. It is a short prayer that is repeated by devout Muslims each day and ends with these words:

Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray. (1:6-7)


Muhammad was once asked if these words pertained to Jews and Christians. His response was, "Whom else?" (Bukhari 56:662).

Since Allah makes such a strong distinction between Muslims and those outside the faith, it is only natural that Muslims should incorporate disparate standards of treatment into their daily lives. The Quran tells Muslims to be compassionate with one another but ruthless to the infidel:

Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves… (48:29)

Allah intends for Muslims to triumph over unbelievers:

And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers [Pickthall – “any way of success”] (4:141)

The only acceptable position of non-Muslims to Muslims is subjugation under Islamic rule:

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29 Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)

The Ayatollah Khomeini, who dedicated his entire life to studying Islam, said that non-Muslims rank somewhere between "feces" and the "sweat of a camel that has consumed impure food." Small wonder. The Quran dehumanizes non-Muslims, describing them as “animals” and beasts:

Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)

Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)

Verse 7:176 compares unbelievers to "panting dogs" with regard to their idiocy and worthlessness. Verse 7:179 says they are like "cattle" only worse.

Verse 5:60 even says that Allah transformed Jews of the past into apes and pigs. This is echoed by verses 7:166 and 2:65.

A hadith (Bukhari 54:524) says that Muhammad believed rats to be "mutated Jews" (also confirmed by Sahih Muslim 7135 and 7136).

Verses 46:29-35 even say that unbelieving men are worse than the demons who believe in Muhammad.

According to Islamic law, non-Muslims may be owned as property by Muslims, but - in keeping with Islam's supremacist message - a fellow Muslim should never be (unless they convert to Islam after enslavement). Even Christians and Jews are not considered fully human in that the penalty for killing one of them is limited to one-third of the compensation due for unintentionally killing a Muslim.

Although nowhere does the Quran say that Allah loves those who don’t believe Muhammad, there are over 400 verses that describe the torment that he has prepared for people of other religions (or no religion):

And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers (3:85)

The relative worth of non-Muslims is that they are but fuel for the fire of Hell:

(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire (3:10 Shakir: "firewood of hell")

As they are fueling the fire, unbelievers will be tormented by Allah’s angels on his command:

“O ye who believe! Ward off from yourselves and your families a Fire whereof the fuel is men and stones, over which are set angels strong, severe, who resist not Allah in that which He commandeth them, but do that which they are commanded.” (66:6)

It doesn’t matter how many good deeds an unbeliever does, because they count for nothing with Allah:

The parable of those who reject their Lord is that their works are as ashes, on which the wind blows furiously on a tempestuous day: No power have they over aught that they have earned (14:18)

Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds? Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life, while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works? They are those who deny the Signs of their Lord and the fact of their having to meet Him (in the Hereafter): vain will be their works, nor shall We, on the Day of Judgment, give them any weight. That is their reward, Hell, because they rejected Faith, and took My Signs and My Messengers by way of jest. (18:103-106)

Muhammad told his people that anyone who rejects his claim to be a prophet will go to Hell:

Surely those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and (those who) desire to make a distinction between Allah and His messengers and say: ‘We believe in some and disbelieve in others’, and desire to take a course between (this and) that. These it is that are truly unbelievers, and We have prepared for the unbelievers a disgraceful chastisement. And those who believe in Allah and His messengers and do not make a distinction between any of them-- Allah will grant them their rewards (4:150-152)

In Christianity, punishment in the hereafter is directly tied to sin and ‘wickedness.’ There is relatively little said about Hell, but the emphasis is on personal suffering for selfish or cruel deeds. In Islam, Hell is a punishment for merely not believing Muhammad’s personal claims about himself. In contrast to the Bible, every 12th verse of the Quran speaks of Hell and vividly describes Allah’s wrath on unbelievers:

But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads, Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning. (22:19-22)

No one could torture a person in this way without hating them intensely. Neither can Allah’s intense loathing for unbelievers help but affect the Muslim attitude toward those outside the faith.

The personal superiority of Muslims is confirmed by the contrasting picture painted in so many places in the Quran in which they are rewarded with the greatest of earthly comforts in heaven, while the unbelievers concurrently suffer horrible torment (see Sura 56 for just one example).

It would make no sense if Allah gave the people that he hates an opportunity to avoid his wrath. The Quran says that Allah deliberately puts obstacles in the way of unbelievers to keep them from accepting the truth:

If Allah wished, he could provide guidance to every soul:

If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance (32:13)

But, instead he sets a veil over the hearts and coverings over their ears:

Verily We have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this, and over their ears, deafness, if thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance. (18:57) – See also 17:46 & 45:23

Allah even uses chains and barriers to prevent unbelievers from believing:

Certainly the word has proved true of most of them, so they do not believe. Surely We have placed chains on their necks, and these reach up to their chins, so they have their heads raised aloft. And We have made before them a barrier and a barrier behind them, then We have covered them over so that they do not see. And it is alike to them whether you warn them or warn them not: they do not believe. (36:7-10)

For the same purpose, Allah also fills the hearts of unbelievers with doubt:

No soul can believe, except by the will of Allah, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand (10:100)

Not content with merely preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth (which is enough to condemn them to Hell) the Quran says that a hateful Allah also causes unbelievers to commit the very sin that he will later punish them for:

And if Allah please He would certainly make you a single nation, but He causes to err whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases; and most certainly you will be questioned as to what you did (16:93)

Although Satan tempts Muslims, it is Allah himself who causes unbelievers to err.

…and whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall not find a way for him. (4:143, see also 4:88 and 74:31)

Allah intentionally sends the people that he hates astray:

…and Allah sendeth him astray purposely, and sealeth up his hearing and his heart, and setteth on his sight a covering? Then who will lead him after Allah (hath condemned him)? Will ye not then heed? (45:23)

Allah even sends demons to inspire unbelievers to commit further bad deeds (that he can later hold against them):

See thou not that We have set the Evil Ones on against the unbelievers, to incite them with fury? (19:83)

According to verse 3:54, Allah plots and schemes against unbelievers using deceit (the literal meaning of makara, the word used). Elsewhere, the Quran explains that Allah tricks unbelievers into thinking that they are doing good deeds, when, in fact, they are merely deepening their own eternal punishment with bad deeds:

As to those who do not believe in the hereafter, We have surely made their deeds fair-seeming to them, but they blindly wander on. (27:4) See also 39:23, 6:39, 35:8, 13:27 & 14:4)

Allah recruits Satan to join Him into fooling unbelievers into thinking that they are doing good:

On the contrary their hearts became hardened, and Satan made their (sinful) acts seem alluring to them. (6:43)

The joke is on non-Muslims, of course, who will protest on Judgment Day that they did everything they thought was right – but are sent to Hell anyway:

Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily Allah knows all that ye did; "So enter the gates of Hell, to dwell therein. (16:28-29)

Given that Allah hates non-Muslims to the extent that he would prevent them from knowing the truth, cause them to err and then condemn them to eternal torture for their unbelief and misdeeds, it would make little sense if he intended Muslims to treat unbelievers by the same standards that they treat each other here on earth.

The Quran says that no true Muslim would ever love anyone who resists Islam, even if it is a family member:

Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. (58:22)

There are at least nine places in the Quran where believers are warned not to befriend non-Muslims:

O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves? (4:144)

In fact, anyone who does take a non-Muslim as a friend could be accused of being an unbeliever as well:

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (5:51)

Note that Christians, according to the Quran, are included in the ranks of "unbelievers":


They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary (5:17)
Muhammad said that unbelievers have it out for Muslims. They may appear harmless or friendly, but, in reality, they harbor corruption and evil intentions:

O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse (3:118)

For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies (4:101)

As for them, they are but plotting a scheme (86:15)

Those outside of Islam are really helpers of evil against Allah:

The Misbeliever is a helper (of Evil), against his own Lord! (25:55)

The Quran says that "hostility and hate" will exist between Muslims and infidels "for ever" until the latter "believe in Allah alone." (60:4)

Instead of befriending non-Muslims, the Quran encourages hostility. Muslims are ordered to fight unbelievers:

O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty. (9:123)

The Quran tells Muslims that they will spend eternity laughing at unbelievers (83:34) and mocking their suffering as they are tortured in Hell:

And the dwellers of the garden will call out to the inmates of the fire: Surely we have found what our Lord promised us to be true; have you too found what your Lord promised to be true? They will say: Yes. Then a crier will cry out among them that the curse of Allah is on the unjust. (7:44) – Muhammad got an early start on this by personally mocking his dead enemies following the Battle of Badr (Ibn Ishaq 454)

One does not befriend those over whose suffering they will later rejoice, nor does it make any sense that Muslims would befriend those whom the Quran labels "enemies of Allah" by virtue of their unbelief.

Buddhists in Thailand, Jews in Israel, Christians in Indonesia, Hindus in India... Why is Islam at war with every major world religion, when none of these religions are at war with each other? Part of the reason is that the Quran is specific about the inferiority of other faiths (see 48:28) and the hatred that Allah harbors for their people.

Although it is common for Muslims to become upset about anyone “insulting” their religion, here is what the Quran says about Jews and Christians:

The Jews call Ezra a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! (9:30) (See also Bukhari 8:427), one of the last things Muhammad ever said on his deathbed was "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians.”)

The Quran specifically addresses Christians, Jews, Polytheists (Hindus) and atheists:

Christians are blasphemers (5:17, 5:73) who have invented a lie about Allah (10:68-69) by ascribing partners to Allah (ie. the Trinity). Inventing a lie about Allah is the worst of sins (7:37, 29:68) and for this reason Christians are condemned to Hell (10:70). Although one (early Medinan) verse seems to say that righteous Christians will go to heaven, this is abrogated by later verses that make it very clear that Christians must cease being Christian (ie. reject the Trinity) or suffer eternal torment for their beliefs (5:72-73).

Jews are also cursed by Allah (5:13), in one of his final pronouncements. The Quran goes on to assure Muslims that Jews are wicked (4:160-162) – so wicked, in fact, that they have somehow managed to do the impossible (18:27) and alter the word of Allah (2:75). Jews are “fond of lies” and “devour the forbidden” (5:42).

The Quran assures believers that Jews and Christians have “diseased hearts” (5:52). Allah even takes credit for the enmity between them (5:14). Only Jews and Christians who submit to Islamic subjugation and pay the Jizya are protected in this world (9:29 & Ibn Ishaq 956).

Hindus are polytheists. Although Muhammad didn’t know any Hindus (and neither did Allah, apparently) the Quran still manages to lay the groundwork for the 1000 year ethnic cleansing campaign against the Hindu people that is estimated to have taken tens of millions of innocent lives. In Islam, polytheists are worse than all other religion. Those who join idols (14:30) or false gods (11:14) to Allah also invent a lie about Him (29:17) and will burn in Hell. Even believing in other divine entities along with Allah is an unforgivable crime (4:48, 40:12).

Atheists believe in no god, which is even worse than believing in the wrong one (Muhammad and his successors had atheists put to death - Bukhari 84:57). Merely questioning the existence of Allah is a testament to one’s impiety (25:21), even as Muslim narcissim is encouraged in the Quran. Muhammad always answered probing questions merely by telling the inquiring party that they would go to Hell if they didn’t believe in him (36:49-64). The Quran discourages Muslims from intellectual inquiry (5:101-102).

Any Muslim who gives up his religion is a “perverted transgressor” (3:82). Perverted as well is anyone who denies Allah (40:63) or does not believe Muhammad (2:99). Freedom of conscience does not exist in Islam. Muhammad clearly prescribed the death penalty for apostates (Bukhari 52:260).

While contemporary Muslim apologists often speak of “dialogue” (meaning a unilateral arrangement in which they tell you about Islam while you listen) the Quran speaks of Jihad instead:

Listen not to the unbelievers, but strive (Jihad) against them with the utmost strenuousness. (25:52)

What would be the point in hearing anything a non-Muslim has to say... or even talking with them for that matter? Allah has already sealed their hearts and condemned them to Hell:

As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom (2:6)

For those wondering why Allah would even make infidels if their ultimate destination is Hell, Muhammad said that the purpose of some (Jews and Christians, at least) was to take the place of Muslims, so that they would not suffer there (Sahih Muslim 6666).

Allah himself fights against the unbelievers (9:30), so why should Muslims not fight in his cause rather than in the cause of evil (4:76)? About 19% of the Quran is devoted to the violent conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims:

Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know (8:60)


Strive hard (Jihad) against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed. (66:9, See also 9:73)

Muslims are to expect a reward in this life as well as the next (4:134), so it makes sense that unbelievers should be punished in this life as well:

…He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him there is no guide. For them is a penalty in the life of this world, but harder, truly, is the penalty of the Hereafter… (13:33-34)

There are at least two places in the Quran where the violent death of non-Muslims is referred to as Allah's reward for unbelief (2:191, 9:26), as in "such is the reward for unbelievers." Verse 3:56, bluntly states that "those who reject faith" will be "punished with terrible agony in this world" (a vow that Muhammad and his companions personally took it upon themselves to fulfill).

In the end, All beings on heaven and earth will be forced to bow down to Allah, either willingly or by force:

And unto Allah falleth prostrate whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly (13:15)

Those who resist Islam will be humiliated:

Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be among those most humiliated. (58:20 - The context for this verse is the eviction of the Jewish tribes of Medina and the confiscation of their wealth, land, and children by Muhammad).

Non-Muslims are to be fought until religion is only for Allah:

And fight them until there is no more ftna (unbelief, worshipping others beside Allah), and religion is all for Allah… (8:39 – Some translate the word "fitna" as “persecution”, but in this context it means resistance to Islam – defined in the prior verse as an unwillingness to believe (see verse 38). This passage was “revealed” following a battle that Muhammad deliberately provoked. Verse 2:193 essentially says the same thing and was also “revealed” at a time when the Muslims were not under physical attack).

Those with "diseased hearts" - which include Christians and Jews according to 5:52 - are to be "seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter" (33:60-62) along with "hypocrites" (Muslims who are judged not to be true believers by their associations with unbelievers or their unwillingness to engage in Jihad).

Non-Muslims are to be encroached on, pressured and punished by the Muslims:

See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? (13:41 - See also 21:44)

We shall punish them gradually from directions they perceive not. (68:44)

And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things. (33:27, See also Bukhari 53:392)

Allah will grant Muslims authority and power over all other people:

Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion... (24:55)

(Muhammad's companions continued to self-fulfill this prophecy with an aggressive and senseless military expansion that left a trail of bodies from Spain to India).

Allah provides instructions to Muslims for dealing with unbelievers who are unwilling to accept Islamic rule:

Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. (8:12-13)

Defeating non-Muslims should be easy for true believers because they are superior in intelligence and understanding:

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence (8:65)

Other verses of violence may be found here.

Remember that the Quran says that not all men are equal in Islam. This also applies to Muslims themselves with regard to their aggressiveness toward unbelievers. Those who kill or are killed on behalf of Islam are more pleasing to Allah:

Not equal are those of the believers who sit at home... and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and lives" (4:95)

 

pam w. (191)
Monday April 30, 2012, 6:55 am
Rules for "defending" Islam....

Rule #1...Deny, deny, deny

Rule #2....Insult the source or the person asking a valid question. Repeat these insults ad nauseum. Even if the source is a valid Islamic one...deny, insult, deny and insult. Even if someone merely relates the truth of her own life, deny, insult and deny again.

 

Past Member (0)
Monday April 30, 2012, 7:05 am
Which particular hate site did you get your out of context quotes from, Gillian, or did you wallow in several?
 

Ge M. (216)
Monday April 30, 2012, 10:08 am
Pillow, you have proven the point, if you don't like it, insult and abuse.

And, yes, it was a hate site, it was quotes from the koran and no more hateful site/book can be found.

Now you've had your tantrum I suggest you go away and sulk like a little boy.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday April 30, 2012, 2:17 pm
Out of context quotes, as always.
 

pam w. (191)
Monday April 30, 2012, 4:34 pm
Rule #1....DENY, DENY, DENY
 
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