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Muslim Gunmen Massacre at Least 39 in Nairobi Shopping Mall


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Gillian
- 607 days ago - dailymail.co.uk
British nationals have undoubtedly been caught up in the 'callous and cowardly and brutal' terror attack at a shopping centre in Kenya that has left 39 people dead and 150 injured, according to Foreign Secretary William Hague. Mr Hague said 'we should



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Gillian M. (218)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 1:54 pm
‘British nationals are undoubtedly caught up in this and we should be ready for that,’ Hague reveals as rapid deployment team sent to Kenya after gunmen massacre at least 39 in Nairobi shopping mall

Security guards wheel out bodies in shopping trolleys from Westlands Shopping Centre
Foreign Secretary William Hague confirms British citizens are caught up in the terrorist attack in Nairobi
The US State Department has also confirmed Americans were at the shopping centre

Evidence suggests the Somalian terrorist group al-Shabaab, which has links to Al-Qaeda, may be to blame
The terrorist organisation released a statement released saying it warned Kenya to remove troops from Somalia

Hostages are being held by at least five attackers still in building
The army and special forces are helping police flush out the gunmen

Upmarket mall is a top shopping spot for expats and wealthy Kenyans
Police opened fire after gunmen launched attack at midday today
Armed gang believed to have been terrorists, police say

Kenya Red Cross says at least 39 dead though police not given exact toll
Witness says attackers told shoppers non-Muslims were the targets
Somali militant group al-Shabaab threatened to attack mall but no one yet claimed responsibility

British and American nationals have undoubtedly been caught up in the 'callous and cowardly and brutal' terror attack at a shopping centre in Kenya that has left 39 people dead and 150 injured, according to Foreign Secretary William Hague.

Mr Hague said 'we should be ready for that and aware of that' as he revealed a rapid deployment team is being sent to Kenya to help in the aftermath of the atrocity at an upmarket shopping centre in the capital.

Somali-based militant group al-Shabaab has now claimed responsibility for the atrocity in which men armed with guns and grenades stormed the mall and targeted non-Muslims.

Terrorist gunmen remain at the scene and police officers supported by the army are still fighting to bring the situation to an end.

Sky News is reporting that the US State Department has confirmed US citizens are among the casualties.

Gunmen who opened fire at a shopping centre killing at least 25 and injuring dozens more today let muslims go free if they could prove they were Islamic.

Witnesses caught up in the attack at Westlands Shopping Centre, in the Kenyan capital Nairobi, said anyone who could recite a muslim prayer to their captors was allowed to leave unscathed.

But the attackers turned their guns on anyone who could not prove their Islamic credentials.

Downing Street confirmed Prime Minister David Cameron had spoken to President of Kenya, Uhuru Kenyatta, this afternoon about the attack.

Kenyan police and soldiers have pinned down the remaining gunmen who opened fire at a shopping centre earlier today, killing 25 and leaving at least 50 others injured.

A security source at the scene in the capital Nairobi confirmed the attackers had been isolated.

The source said: 'The attackers have been isolated and are pinned down in an area on one of the floors - the rest of the mall seems to be secure.'

No-one has claimed responsibility for the attack, but it is looking increasingly likely the Somalia terrorist group al-Shabaab may be responsible.

A statement released through its Twitter account said it warned Kenya to pull its troops out of Somalia.

However, the group has did not take responsibility for the attack.

One witness who was embroiled in the situation claimed that the gunmen told Muslims to stand up and leave and that only non-Muslims would be targeted when they opened fire at the upmarket mall of the Westlands district around midday.

At least two dozen people, wounded and dead, were wheeled out on stretchers and in shopping trolleys by security guards, while others were seen walking out of the building, clutching bloodied clothing around their injuries.

Locals and tourists who were out shopping on the sunny Saturday in Kenya ran screaming from the building and cars were left abandoned as attackers threw grenades and fired AK47s.

Over the course of an hour people streamed from the building, at least half a dozen covered in blood and clutching small children to them.

The Kenya Red Cross Society now says that 25 have been reported dead and at least 50 wounded.

At least nine people were carried out of the building bleeding from wounds to their limbs and two others were wheeled unconscious from the scene in shopping trolleys.

A young boy is believed to have been among those killed.

At a news conference, Internal Security Principal Secretary Mutea Iringo said 'terrorists and threats have been present in Kenya for quite some time now'.

The army, including special forces, have now been drafted in to help police flush out the gunmen.

Kenya Red Cross Society Secretary General Abbas Guled said: 'The casualties are many, and that's only what we have on the outside. Inside there are even more casualties and shooting is still going on.'

There were unconfirmed reports of two large explosions, with several smaller explosions. Two people were reportedly injured on the road.

'We have officers at the scene trying to get out the group shooting inside. They have not been located,' a senior police official said.

'Officers are approaching the situation with caution because there are innocent civilians inside,' he said.

Armed police arrived on the scene nearly half an hour later and could be heard shouting 'get out, get out' as scores of shoppers fled the building.

Smoke billowed out of the entrance, which was believed to have been caused by the grenade attack.

Dutch embassy employee Rob Vandijk said he had been eating at a restaurant in the shopping mall when gunmen threw hand grenades inside the building.

People began to scream and drop to the ground, he said, as machine gun fire rang out across the busy mall.

Officials have not given the exact death toll as police and gunmen are continuing to exchange fire, but reporters said they had seen at least 15 bodies

Police say that attackers are holding seven hostages in the building, and other people remain hidden inside.

'I saw three of the attackers dressed in black and with covered faces and they were carrying heavy rifles,' said another witness.

Kenyan soldiers were also deployed to take part in the operation to bring the shopping complex back under control.

Police helicopters circled over the building as sporadic gunfire could be heard more than two hours after the attack was launched.

Police cordoned off the roads surrounding the mall in central Nairobi's Westlands neighborhood.

Manish Turohit, 18, who escaped after hiding in the parking garage for two hours, says he saw gunmen with AK-47s and vests with hand grenades on them inside the centre.

Police initially believed the attack was an attempt by about ten armed men to rob a shop.

But Elijah Kamau, a witness, told AP that the gunmen had announced that they were targeting non-Muslims as they began their attack at the centre.

Some of those who escaped were 'challenged to recite a Muslim prayer and were then let out', according to Allan Sayers, who contacted MailOnline and said he was in the Westgate mall five minutes before the attack.

Mr Sayers said people were still in text and phone contact with some of the hostages.

'There are still many hostages still inside and reports of many more dead,' he said.

Now Nairobi police chief Benson Kibue has said it was a terrorist attack and the Kenya Ministry of Interior has said the shooting may have been an 'attack by terrorists'.

'They don't seem like thugs, this is not a robbery incident,' said Yukeh Mannasseh who was on the top floor when the shooting started.

'It seems like an attack. The guards who saw them said they were shooting indiscriminately.'

Somali's rebel group al-Shabab vowed in late 2011 to carry out a large-scale attack in Nairobi in retaliation for Kenya's sending of troops into Somalia to fight the Islamic insurgents.

The Somali militant group al-Shabaab had earlier threatened to strike the mall, as it is a popular destination for the city’s expatriate community.

However, no one has yet to claim responsibility for the assault.

One victim said that he had been shot by a man who appeared to be Somali, while others noted the gunmen were speaking in a foreign language.

'The gunmen tried to fire at my head but missed. There are definitely many casualties,' Sudjar Singh, who works at the shopping centre, told AFP.

'I saw three of the attackers dressed in black and with covered faces and they were carrying heavy rifles,' said another witness.

Errol Fernandes, a Kenyan businessman said: 'There were two guys – they came in from the car park on the roof. One had dreadlocks, he had an AK47 and was firing randomly.

'I just ran into the café kitchen and then we all hid in the refrigerator, until we were told to run out of the fire escape.

'I'm sure there must be many dead and injured.'

'The gunmen tried to fire at my head but missed. There are definitely many casualties,' Sudjar Singh, who works at the shopping centre, told AFP.

'I saw three of the attackers dressed in black and with covered faces and they were carrying heavy rifles,' said another witness.

Kenyan soldiers were also deployed to take part in the operation to bring the shopping complex back under control.

Police helicopters circled over the building as sporadic gunfire could be heard more than two hours after the attack was launched.

Police cordoned off the roads surrounding the mall in central Nairobi's Westlands neighborhood.

Kenya’s interior minister said the mall shooting may be “an attack by terrorists.”

"It is a possibility that it is an attack by terrorists, so we are treating the matter very seriously," Mutea Iringo, the principal secretary in the Ministry of Interior told Reuters.

Asked if foreign security services were involved in the operation to flush out the attackers, he said, 'At this stage it has not become necessary yet.'

The picture above prompted a woman to contact MailOnline, saying the woman with the two children is her sister-in-law.

'These aren't all nameless individuals, these are real people and don't me and my family know it today,' she said.

'What the picture doesn't show is the gun shot wound she has just come out of surgery for.

'Brave woman who I am so proud to call my family.'

An AFPTV reporter said police and security guards were trying to secure a multi-screen cinema complex inside the mall where many had taken shelter.

The reporter said she saw at least 20 people rescued from a toy shop on one of the upper floors of the building.

A shop manager who managed to escape said it had appeared 'the shooters had taken control of all the mall'.

Attacks by Somali Islamists in Kenya often involve gunmen armed with automatic weapons and grenades, with targets including bars, nightclubs and restaurants in various parts of the country.

There was a suspected al-Shabaab attack which left five dead and three injured at a restaurant in the eastern city of Garissa in January, and in August last year one person was killed and six more were left injured in the Eastleigh area of Nairobi on the eve of a visit by Hillary Clinton, then the United States secretary of state.

Last month 18 of the 19 US embassies and consulates across the Middle East and Africa were closed after a message between al Qaida officials about plans for a major terror attack was intercepted.

The Foreign Office says it is 'urgently looking into' the incident and has echoed Kenyan police with warnings to Britons to avoid the area.

Foreign Secretary William Hague said: 'We are in close contact with the Kenyan authorities on the ground in Kenya and at ministerial level in the United Kingdom.

'The prime consideration at present is the welfare of members of the public caught up in this incident.'

Concerned British nationals are advised to monitor FCO travel advice and to contact 020 7008 0000.
 

Gillian M. (218)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 1:55 pm
Please go to the story to see pictures and video.
 

pam w. (140)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 2:00 pm
Ah, yes...Islam. The religion of peace.

Can they be ANY more brazen?
 

Jay S. (120)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 2:05 pm
they've been ethnically cleansing Christians in Muslim dominated northern Kenya for some time. The Obama administration, as usual, calls it 'ethnic tensions', just like they called the Muslim mass murderer at Ft. Hood, 'work place violence'. Where is there condemnation of the hate and violence taught by Islam and its mass murdering 'prophet'? Not allowed.
 

Carola May (20)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 2:08 pm
Over 90% of all terror attacks committed in the world by by Muslims. Yet the media and our cowardly leaders turn a blind eye to this, the current, Fascism that has declared that it is intent on conquering the whole world and forcing us all to submit to its deity of hate and violence. Peace and tolerance only when we all submit.

Where is the outrage?
 

Stan B. (122)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 3:11 pm
Another day, another atrocity committed by radical Islamists. They've also been killing innocent people in Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, the Philippines to name just a few places.
Wake up world!!
 

bob m. (32)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 3:56 pm
hague will blink 3 times and fast track muslim immigration.
 

bob m. (32)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 4:22 pm

CNN (squint squint ) frefuses to budge from its' agendized perception that it was an unknown group of assassin teletubby.... having nothing to do with true islam ... of course.-+
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 5:31 pm
Hague is about as effective as a cup of water trying to put out a house fire. Muslims everywhere are doing what Muslims do best - taking over wherever they spread and breed. No-one is stopping them.
 

Beth S. (337)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 6:58 pm
Islam: the religion of (shooting to) pieces. Horrible. Expect this everywhere, with Islam.
 

Hilary S. (70)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 7:57 pm
australia's national broadcaster used the aljazeera news for this, and guess what? yes, the emphasis was on some issue about somalia, and no mention whatsoever of the muslim identity of the terrorists.

and what's with the "gunmen"? these people are terrorists. seems the word has become too embarrassing to use any more.
 

Rahman Qureshi (76)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 10:05 pm
The simple, accurate, non-politically correct explanation of the shootings: Muslims practicing Islam.

If the media actually commits the hell-freezing-over act of identifying the shooters as Muslims, they will immediately neutralize that with the usual a) Muslim apologist claiming this had nothing to do with Islam, with no examination of Islamic doctrine and b) taking the focus off of Islam by saying "there are bad people in every society, culture and religion. Of course when it comes to Islam, what these jihadists did is not considered bad but pious action.
 

june t. (66)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 10:56 pm
thanks
 

Debra Tate (17)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 12:31 am
Thanks
 

. (1)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 1:02 am
Noted. Thank you G M.
 

AWAY AWAY (39)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 2:20 am
How long before the world unites against evil?

 

ApoSICK P. (401)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 2:47 am
After 9.11.2001 the WORLD should open blind eyes for Muslim's fanatism... Japan and Australia alreadyforbiden Muslims to expand their rights and influences. What about the rest of the WORLD?!...
 

. (0)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 2:58 am
Third World War - when? It's overdue.......
 

Birgit W. (156)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 5:20 am
All fanatic religions are bad not just the Islam.
Peace, Love and Light to all the suffering people on our planet.
 

Madhu Pillai (22)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 7:06 am
Noted.
 

bob m. (32)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 7:50 am


the body of islam will morph into cloaking deceits; until chaos and terror and fear have enslaved and wounded sufficiently its adversary .. invading with subliminal intent and overt jihadi threatening's till their hosts are numb.. like the wolf hits the legs of its target with darting attacks ; the legs are paralyzed by multiple bites till it collapses...helpless... this is a seditious cult ; dangerous to All peoples... yet today they stir others against each other knowing they cannot defeat a force of opposition in the open anymore.. ....they seek to break down people through fear.. hiding in the weeds ..serpents of darkness...islam is FOUNDED upon a lie so profound; it could only be straight out of the handiwork of darkness.. ..1 John 2:22
 

Berny p. (24)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 8:54 am

Evidence suggests the Somalian terrorist group al-Shabaab, which has links to Al-Qaeda, may be to blame
The terrorist organisation released a statement released saying it warned Kenya to remove troops from Somalia

MEANWHILE WE HAVE PLENTY OF SOMALI'S IN UK AND OTHER EUROPEAN
COUNTRIES...GOVERNMENTS ARE NOT LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE.....

WE SHOULD GO THERE AND BOMB THEM...SAME WHEN THEY TAKE A SHIP ON THE HIGH SEA...FORGET MR NICE GUY...HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS...

I WISH...THERE IS NO PEOPLE WITH GUTS ANYMORE IN THE WORLD...JUST DO GOODERS WHO THINK THEY KNOW IT ALL...
VERY VERY SAD AS OUR CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN WILL PAY FOR THIS!
 

pam w. (140)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 9:06 am
Berny....this is a shopping mall....a multi-story shopping mall. Tell me how to ''bomb them'' without killing hundreds of innocents.

I'm glad the news of the real Muslim agenda here is coming out....people MUST pay attention at some point.
 

Nancy Black (302)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 10:26 am
Noted, tweeted, shared, tweeted, shared, watched videos, tweeted and shared all. Looked at photos. The photos certainly documented the horror.To a person who is opposed to war and violence such as me, the photos made me very angry and sick. To think that hate of non-Muslims caused this horror shows the total disregard for life these terrorists had. There are no excuses to kill unarmed children, women, families just because of their religion or in this case lack of being Muslim. These same terrorists would be outraged if this happened to Muslims in France, U.K. and USA; yet they see nothing wrong with what they are doing. I hate bigotry and that's what this is. Don't know the answer, but we certainly need to find one.
 

Gillian M. (218)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 10:58 am
Nancy, part of Islam is that they do not recognise that it is evil to kill unarmed civilians or to attack women and children. To the Islamists and even the ordinary Muslims, they are as much the enemy as the fully armed soldier but easier targets. These are the people that use snipers to shoot babies in buggies, attack Jewish children on their way to school and enter Jewish homes in Israel and cut a baby's throat. The terrorists also use their own people as shields.

So, the total disregard for life is irrelevant because it is non-Muslim.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God, however this can work both ways. Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.

I won't list the quotes here as there are so many. Please follow link to read.

Additional Notes:

Other than the fact that Muslims haven't killed every non-Muslim under their domain, there is very little else that they can point to as proof that theirs is a peaceful, tolerant religion. Where Islam is dominant (as in the Middle East and Pakistan) religious minorities suffer brutal persecution with little resistance. Where Islam is in the minority (as in Thailand, the Philippines and Europe) there is the threat of violence if Muslim demands are not met. Either situation seems to provide a justification for religious terrorism, which is persistent and endemic to Islamic fundamentalism.

The reasons are obvious and begin with the Quran. Few verses of Islam's most sacred text can be construed to fit the contemporary virtues of religious tolerance and universal brotherhood. Those that do are earlier "Meccan" verses which are obviously abrogated by later ones. This is why Muslim apologists speak of the "risks" of trying to interpret the Quran without their "assistance" - even while claiming that it is a perfect book.

Far from being mere history or theological construct, the violent verses of the Quran have played a key role in very real massacre and genocide. This includes the brutal slaughter of tens of millions of Hindus for five centuries beginning around 1000 AD with Mahmud of Ghazni's bloody conquest. Both he and the later Tamerlane (Islam's Genghis Khan) slaughtered an untold number merely for defending their temples from destruction. Buddhism was very nearly wiped off the Indian subcontinent. Judaism and Christianity met the same fate (albeit more slowly) in areas conquered by Muslim armies, including the Middle East, North Africa and parts of Europe, including today's Turkey. Zoroastrianism, the ancient religion of a proud Persian people is despised by Muslims and barely survives in modern Iran.

So ingrained is violence in the religion that Islam has never really stopped being at war, either with other religions or with itself.

Muhammad was a military leader, laying siege to towns, massacring the men, raping their women, enslaving their children, and taking the property of others as his own. On several occasions he rejected offers of surrender from the besieged inhabitants and even butchered captives. He actually inspired his followers to battle when they did not feel it was right to fight, promising them slaves and booty if they did and threatening them with Hell if they did not. Muhammad allowed his men to rape traumatized women captured in battle, usually on the very day their husbands and family members were slaughtered.

It is important to emphasize that, for the most part, Muslim armies waged aggressive campaigns, and the religion's most dramatic military conquests were made by the actual companions of Muhammad in the decades following his death. The early Islamic principle of warfare was that the civilian population of a town was to be destroyed (ie. men executed, women and children taken as slaves) if they defended themselves. Although modern apologists often claim that Muslims are only supposed to attack in self-defense, this is an oxymoron that is flatly contradicted by the accounts of Islamic historians and others that go back to the time of Muhammad.

Consider the example of the Qurayza Jews, who were completely obliterated only five years after Muhammad arrived in Medina. Their leader opted to stay neutral when their town was besieged by a Meccan army that was sent to take revenge for Muhammad's deadly caravan raids. The tribe killed no one from either side and even surrendered peacefully to Muhammad after the Meccans had been turned back. Yet the prophet of Islam had every male member of the Qurayza beheaded, and every woman and child enslaved, even raping one of the captives himself (what Muslim apologists might refer to as "same day marriage").

One of Islam's most revered modern scholars, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, openly sanctions offensive Jihad: "In the Jihad which you are seeking, you look for the enemy and invade him. This type of Jihad takes place only when the Islamic state is invading other [countries] in order to spread the word of Islam and to remove obstacles standing in its way." Elsewhere, he notes: "Islam has the right to take the initiative…this is God’s religion and it is for the whole world. It has the right to destroy all obstacles in the form of institutions and traditions … it attacks institutions and traditions to release human beings from their poisonous influences, which distort human nature and curtail human freedom. Those who say that Islamic Jihad was merely for the defense of the 'homeland of Islam' diminish the greatness of the Islamic way of life."

The widely respected Dictionary of Islam defines Jihad as "A religious war with those who are unbelievers in the mission of Muhammad. It is an incumbent religious duty, established in the Qur'an and in the Traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined specially for the purpose of advancing Islam and of repelling evil from Muslims…[Quoting from the Hanafi school, Hedaya, 2:140, 141.], "The destruction of the sword is incurred by infidels, although they be not the first aggressors, as appears from various passages in the traditions which are generally received to this effect."

Muhammad's failure to leave a clear line of succession resulted in perpetual internal war following his death. Those who knew him best first fought to keep remote tribes from leaving Islam and reverting to their preferred religion (the Ridda or 'Apostasy wars'). Then, within the closer community, early Meccan converts battled later ones. Hostility developed between those immigrants who had traveled with Muhammad to Mecca and the Ansar at Medina who had helped them settle in. Finally there was a violent struggle within Muhammad's own family between his favorite wife and favorite daughter - a jagged schism that has left Shias and Sunnis at each others' throats to this day.

The strangest and most untrue thing that can be said about Islam is that it is a Religion of Peace. If every standard by which the West is judged and condemned (slavery, imperialism, intolerance, misogyny, sexual repression, warfare...) were applied equally to Islam, the verdict would be devastating. Islam never gives up what it conquers, be it religion, culture, language or life. Neither does it make apologies or any real effort at moral progress. It is the least open to dialogue and the most self-absorbed. It is convinced of its own perfection, yet brutally shuns self-examination and represses criticism.

This is what makes the Quran's verses of violence so dangerous. They are given the weight of divine command. While Muslim terrorists take them as literally as anything else in their holy book, and understand that Islam is incomplete without Jihad, moderates offer little to contradict them - outside of opinion. Indeed, what do they have? Speaking of peace and love may win over the ignorant, but when every twelfth verse of Islam's holiest book either speaks to Allah's hatred for non-Muslims or calls for their death, forced conversion, or subjugation, it's little wonder that sympathy for terrorism runs as deeply as it does in the broader community - even if most Muslims personally prefer not to interpret their religion in this way.

Although scholars like Ibn Khaldun, one of Islam's most respected philosophers, understood that "the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force", many other Muslims are either unaware or willfully ignorant of the Quran's near absence of verses that preach universal non-violence. Their understanding of Islam comes from what they are taught by others. In the West, it is typical for believers to think that their religion must be like Christianity - preaching the New Testament virtues of peace, love, and tolerance - because Muslims are taught that Islam is supposed to be superior in every way. They are somewhat surprised and embarrassed to learn that the evidence of the Quran and the bloody history of Islam are very much in contradiction to this.

Others simply accept the violence. In 1991, a Palestinian couple in America was convicted of stabbing their daughter to death for being too Westernized. A family friend came to their defense, excoriating the jury for not understanding the "culture", claiming that the father was merely following "the religion" and saying that the couple had to "discipline their daughter or lose respect." (source). In 2011, unrepentant Palestinian terrorists, responsible for the brutal murders of civilians, women and children explicitly in the name of Allah were treated to a luxurious "holy pilgrimage" to Mecca by the Saudi king - without a single Muslim voice raised in protest.

For their part, Western liberals would do well not to sacrifice critical thinking to the god of political correctness, or look for reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the existential truth that this it is both different and dangerous.

There are just too many Muslims who take the Quran literally... and too many others who couldn't care less about the violence done in the name of Islam
 

Gillian M. (218)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 11:00 am
This is from a friend of mine who lived in Africa for many years.

The Northern border of Kenya with Somalia has always been disputed by the Somalis who with their high birth rate (most are polygamous) demand more and more territory. The Northern Frontier District of Kenya and Somalia are in the arid area known as the Sahel and the farther South one travels the more fertile the land becomes. The Somalis have lusted for the green hills of Kenya for centuries and the British during the British Colonial era inadvertently helped them a little in this aim. Many Somalis were recruited into the British armed forces (King's African Rifles) and after 2 world wars many ended up living in Kenya. They were relatively small communities and as is the want of Muslims' kept (with a few exceptions) to themselves. Post Independence and enter KPC, Oxfam, Save the Children and the rest of the "holier than thou" brigade. These stalwarts bribed and coerced the Kenya government to be allowed to establish ever bigger refugee camps across the border in Northern Kenya. The population of these camps - into which is sunk billions of dollars from the West - run into the millions. A measure of the "success" of these camps is that many teenagers and young adults have never set foot in the birthplace of their parents or in some cases even their grandparents. Of course millions get out of these camps and have formed or joined Somali ghettos across Kenya. An inordinately high percentage of organised crime in Kenya emanates from the "Somali Mafia" and imagine all of this taking place in a country where the population more or less doubles very dozen years!.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 11:57 am
Are you waiting for the Hague Pres. Obama, like you are waiting on the UN concerning Syria?
 

M G. (0)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 12:05 pm
It is not the ISLAM, sorry but you can not blame this on the ISLAM (no i'm not a Muslim) but to its teachers, Christians have done similar things in the past, may i remind you of the crusades ?

Where they any different ? (And yes i am Christian) They were committed because of whom ? Those teaching the religion.
 

Pogle S. (88)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 12:53 pm
They are not really Muslims they are criminal terrorists out to make a name for themselves! It's just another mass shooting much the same as we have in the USA! Take their guns away now!
 

GGmaSheila D. (174)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 1:35 pm
You all forgot Islam is also the religion of child brides...to pedophiles.
Of course, Hague is ineffective - most of our diplomats seem to be. But then so is the UN. Wonder why??
Yes, I agree with Anon in that Christians have done far worse in the name of their religion - aren't they still doing it...
 

Shaheen N. (64)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 1:38 pm
Terrorist are criminal, they do not follow any relegion. Sadly noted & happened today in Pakistan also. Sharing the link to my Post. " http://www.care2.com/news/member/440476508/3646110"
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 1:39 pm
Pogle- are you writing from fact, or are you surmizing? They are are not really Muslims?....In your mind, we are dealing with terrorists who appear as radical Muslims?
 

bob m. (32)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 2:56 pm


Anon good fellow.. new to these things are we/... might I suggest that YOU...being a Christian .. if indded you are more than a follower in double mindedness.... get educated about this subject.... 1 John 2:22.. he that denies the Father and the Son is a liar... he IS antichrist.... Islam is ROOTED in deceit and in antichrist... the fruits of this spirit are inevitably opposite to those of the Spirit of god in Christ Jesus ..The Son and lamb of God.
 

Gina Caracci (231)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 8:43 pm
I say these maniacs enjoy killing and just use Islam to do it.
]I try not to judge..(I said I try because you dont know what these people are thinking, have been thru, etc) but when it comes to this slaughter (by any group) its time they WENT DOWN..too bad Bush went about it wrong and for a fabricated reason
I find it sad that SOOO MANY of them have no conscience or a sense on what is morally right or wrong..(yes people have different ideals on how they were raised, etc..but slaughter for the fun of it is SICK)
how can so MANY think like this?? I say its the water.
I was telling a family member about this just today and they had no idea what Islam was about and they were shocked..
its time we tell everyone we know..just seems no on cares except a select few
 

Gillian M. (218)
Monday September 23, 2013, 5:27 am
Pogle, it is typical of those who want to whitewash Islam and Muslim terrorists to start wittering on about the Crusades which, according to my calendar, happened a few centuries ago. In fact, when using an historical example to try to make Muslims look better, you had better do some research. Pope Cyril asked for help to stop the Muslim attacks and depredations on Christian communities, so no change there.

Of course individual Christians did do terrible things in the name of Christianity but this no longer happens. You obviously failed to read what the Koran and thereby Islam stands for.

And, Pogle, just in case you hadn't noticed, the terrorists are Muslims and they are doing exactly what Muslims do even if this is on a slightly larger scale than normal.
 

Winn Adams (213)
Monday September 23, 2013, 7:33 am
When will this end. So sad . . . .
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 23, 2013, 10:57 am
Again, the religion of peace shows its colours. Two Canadians were also killed. ALL religions need to go. As long as they exist there will be hate.
 

Ms. Noting Commentator (21)
Wednesday September 25, 2013, 5:07 am
These photos have a very profound effect. This photo journalist is very good with a camera.

I did not like that so many children were exposed to this violence and terror. Incidences like this will eventually cause people to want to stay home.

It used to be that people felt safe in the public—in crowds—more so than alone. Nowadays, with Muslim terrorism, large crowds are extremely dangerous, because the terrorist are attracted to them for high kill numbers.

I posted this article on Facebook. However, most of my friends are having fun in life and could not care about what is going on halfway around the world. Until it is right under their nose and directly affecting their lives they will not listen or take heed to the Muslim/Islam warnings that are out there.
 

TRISH GEIDEL (214)
Wednesday September 25, 2013, 1:25 pm
OBVIOUSLY, POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, IS NOT GOING TO WORK
WITH A MUSLIM TERRORIST, ; HE JUST WON'T CARE, THAT U
ARE APOLOGETIC, FOR ANYTHING BAD THAT'S HAPPENED, IN
HIS CHILDHOOD, ;
IF U DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THE PROPHET'S MOTHER,
U ARE DEAD !

I LIVE IN A WESTERN COUNTRY (AUST) & I THINK IT'S TIME TO
STOP PUTTING OUR WHITE HEADS IN THE SAND, ;
THERE'S A WAR COMING, NOT COUNTRY AGAINST COUNTRY,
NO, IT'S MUSLIM AGAINST EVERYONE ELSE !

SO, OUR GOVT'S BETTER GET THEMSELVES READY, INSTEAD,
OF BOWING DOWN & TRYING TO APPEASE THE SO-CALLED,
*PEACEFUL MUSLIMS*, WHO LIVE AMONG US, WITH ALL SORTS
OF REMOVING OF *OFFENSIVE TO ISLAM* ITEMS !

WELL, HELLOOO, MY COUNTRY IS NOT & HAS NEVER BEEN,
A MUSLIM COUNTRY, ( IT MAYB IN THE FUTURE,..... I HOPE NOT)
SO HOW ABOUT WE KEEP OUR *WESTERN* STUFF, RIGHT
WHERE IT IS & YES, SOME OF IT'S FROM OUR CHRISTIAN
BACKGROUND, ; OUR CONVICT DAYS, BUT, SO WHAT, ?

THAT'S HOW WE STARTED OUT & WE ARE JUST OVER # 200
YRS OLD & LOOK AT US NOW, ; NOT THE WORST PLACE
TO LIVE IN THE WORLD !!!

SO, I WANT TO KEEP MY ANCESTORS STATUES, BOOKS,
PICTURES, TRADITIONS FROM OUR HOMELANDS, ;
IT IS WHO I & MANY OTHER AUSSIES ARE, WHY DO WE
HAVE TO CHANGE ?

I WONDER IF ALL THE ATHEISTS OUT THERE, REALIZE,
THAT THEY TOO WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO REMAIN ?

THAT HAS TO SUCK BIG TIME, WHEN U ARE UNDER
THREAT, B/C U DON'T HAVE ANY RELIGION AT ALL ?

(SORRY ABOUT THE BIG TYPE, EYES ARE GETTIN OLD )
 

Carmen S. (623)
Wednesday September 25, 2013, 6:02 pm
Thanks G.M.
 

Jason R. (73)
Saturday September 28, 2013, 4:44 pm
Why are people obsessed with Muslims and don't give a damned about their own country?
 

Sertap caliskan (44)
Sunday November 24, 2013, 6:02 am
noted
 
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