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The Hidden Story Of Jesus

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Theologian Dr Robert Beckford investigates amazing parallels to the Christ story in other faiths, some of them predating Christianity by thousands of years.

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Barbara W (342)
Friday July 6, 2012, 10:30 am
Jesus taught us to follow the path of love. "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You" "Love One Another As I Have Loved You" This is an eternal lesson, LOVE, brought to the world by other great prophets.

"But I say to you, love your enemies and bless the one who curses you, and do what is beautiful to the one who hates you, and pray over those who take you by force and persecute you."

If we but heed the words above and put them into practice what a wonder this world would be for all creation..

Be not so arrogant that you believe God has not touched the lives of others throughout the history of mankind. When we limit the power of the omnipotent we take a path that is devised of mans ego not of God's truth.

If you are a seeker of truth and not afraid of what the ancient past offers then please watch, listen, to this entire offering. For me this does not make Jesus any less the beautiful gift he was to those who heard his message of "LOVE"

What Theologian Dr Robert Beckford brings to believers is a path which, for the faithful in the one God, could calm the many religious storms of the past!

What the message in this video offers could make the light, not the dark, shine in a very needy world today!

Has Jesus not said "My Fathers House Has Many Mansions"

. (0)
Friday July 6, 2012, 10:42 am
Listen to Johnny Mathis' version or Streisand's rendition of the song "One God", and you realize how much of this is true.

Past Member (0)
Friday July 6, 2012, 12:10 pm
Pretty much every single aspect of the Christ story was told many times previously in many lands around the Mediterranean. It was understood to be an instructional myth and not literal truth. The crucial difference with the Jews is that the dying/resurrecting god-man was connected to their figure of the Messiah.

You can read writers from the period expressing their astonishment some Jews were taking the whole thing literally. Next thing you know.......Christianity.

And so I'd be astonished to learn that Jesus Christ ever existed.

Barbara W (342)
Friday July 6, 2012, 12:37 pm
I have many questions and have spent many years looking into what the world religions all had in common. Where, if not from enlightened hearts and minds, did the idea of love thy enemy come from? Even Gandhi saw Jesus teachings as a powerful message to share and Gandhi involved Jesus teachings in his quest for peace.

This video takes about 1 & a half hours to go through but it is, especially for those who are seeking more then what the mainstream religious media offers people of faith, well worth the time,

I'm listening to this for the third time and find there's so much to digest but well worth the time..

The manipulating governments of the world would all fall if folks would utilize their Free Will and reach into the unknown that they've been told is taboo.

Susan Williams (6)
Friday July 6, 2012, 10:19 pm
As the late Joseph Campbell pointed out, the biggest problem and issue with the desert sky god monotheistic religions is that they insist upon conflating their mythology with historical fact.

This is not necessary to gain value out of mythos. It is certainly not necessary to have for ethics.

Sam Harris is a good author to read about this subject. As is, of course, Joseph Campbell.

Norman Micco (0)
Saturday July 7, 2012, 7:03 pm
I was raised a Southern Baptist.I 'm now just a spiritual person but seeking a more liberal type of religion.The Baptist do not rely on facts or evidence to support their religion,just faith and the Bible. My father,a Baptist preacher,told me when we die that Christians go straight to Heaven. He also told me that we fall into a deep sleep and God will awaken us when he returns. These two statement contradict each other but so does the Bible.The religions I have studied,in a college course,all talk about about a Heavenly being and refer to God as other names. However,they all seem to talk about a Heavenly being who cares about the Human race.

Sue Matheson (79)
Saturday July 7, 2012, 9:24 pm

Jay S (116)
Sunday July 8, 2012, 5:35 am
The only other big-name prophet we can think of that is similar to Jesus in teaching a message of peace, nonviolence and love is Gautama the first Buddha.

You certainly can't count Moses with his hateful law of killing, or Mohammed who lists 109 verses in his Qur'an that are hateful to all non-Muslims. He never taught the Golden Rule and loving your neighbor only applies to fellow Muslims. Even the god of Islam says he 'does not love the unbelievers' and tells Muslims to be kind to each other but 'let the inbelievers see in you harshness'. And Mohammed's own story is one of mass murder, rape, enslavement, pedophilia, banditry, greed and lust. No comparison to the life and teachings of Jesus.

We admire and find inspriring the teachings of Jesus of the Gospels and the Buddha, but there are few 'prophets' that taught or lived anything like these two, who are unique in their rejection of arrogance, violence and hate. Too bad more people haven't tried to live by their tenets.

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Rebecca Y (26)
Sunday July 8, 2012, 12:54 pm
When I was a young girl and immersed in attending Church, Sunday School and Bible Study, I did not find myself being gullible to all the stories in the Bible and began reading about all the other religions and was fascinated by the fact they all said pretty much the same things, with regard to the Virgin birth, etc. I asked questions that could not be answered and believe that was the beginning of my spiritual path and my disappointment in organized religion. The faith I have is really my very own. My son says I am a Deist and I suppose he is right. The faith I have cannot be shattered by scientific findings or rumblings of how we were created. We are here, therefore, we are!

Christopher Fowler (82)
Sunday July 8, 2012, 2:07 pm
Rob and Jay B., perhaps you also failed to pay attention to the tales of both Gilgamesh, Horus and others from the "fertile Crescent" region; all tales that also predate Christianity. Same stories and same message.

Phyllis P (237)
Sunday July 8, 2012, 2:12 pm
I'll have to watch this another time. But thanks for the post.

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 8, 2012, 2:50 pm
Just Think- Sam Harris part 1 of 2

Just Think- Sam Harris part 2 of 2

I would encourage everyone to watch, and then JUST THINK.

Catherine Turley (192)
Sunday July 8, 2012, 3:35 pm
as an atheist, i believe i follow the example of jesus more closely than most true believers. i encourage everyone to dig deeper; ignore your material desires. when you are consumed with charitable work, you stop caring about the things most others care about. you become less petty and judgmental. you don't even have to work at it. it just happens. and never be satisfied with what you have already accomplished. you can always do more.

Gloria H (88)
Sunday July 8, 2012, 4:16 pm
very interesting video. As a child, I was told Catholics worship the statues of Mary. Then I was told by Christians that Buddhists worship the statues of Buddha, the Hindus worship the statues of the gods.
I now believe they are just reminders, like a watch reminds us of time. The watch is not time itself.
the mirror is not really me.

Charlene Rush (79)
Sunday July 8, 2012, 8:36 pm
If you are not fearful of what you may learn, the history of the Bible and anything connected to it, is quite intriguing. The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew, some in Armaic. Then those were translated into Aramaic and Greek. 70+ translators worked to translate the Hebrew Old Testament in Greek.

You can find any meaning you wish to follow, choosing the one that suits you best, positive or negative.

Charlene Rush (79)
Sunday July 8, 2012, 8:55 pm
Religion, always has been and always will be about CONTROL. It was wriiten by male persons, to control females and any other males, who don't agree with them. They use 'god' to control their form of morality.
If fact, they are anything BUT Christian-like.

Marianna molnar woods (9)
Monday July 9, 2012, 12:26 am
interesting comments

Monday July 9, 2012, 3:22 am
I think the first clue is in the stated profession of Dr Robert Beckford namely “Theologian”. Personally I have a problem with this qualification. We have Geologist – one who studies minerals, Biologist – one who studies living things, Zoologist – one who studies animals, Palaeontologist – one who studies prehistoric life and so on. Now we look up theologist or theologian and find ‘someone who is learned in theology or who speculates about theology’. Now the prefix “theo” is derived from the Greek word “Theos” which means god. Here is my problem I have seen minerals, plants, animals and fossils but cannot for the life of me spot this illusive “god”. The good Doctor riding on his learned qualification tells us all manner of tales and interpretations of tales but even though I managed to keep awake (only just) until the end I could not discern a glimmer of hard evidence anywhere in his ramblings. Personally I give not a hoot about peoples’ beliefs or faith until they spill over into my life and affect me adversely. In my opinion formal religion and its related scourge of ideology has largely been a cancer on the collective brain of humanity for aeons.

M B (62)
Monday July 9, 2012, 12:36 pm
As Marianna B Molnar says :"interesting comments":My concern is : does formal religion help to live a decent life, without the ego that shouts "I'm better than others", "us against them", etc. Think of all the religious it worth it ? For some people it would be better if they took some humanitarian lessons, instead of following a religion. Sometimes I'm visiting churches (when they are empty), I like the atmosphere and quietness...I don't go there when they preach.
I can imagine that Jesus was a special person, like Buddha, and it amazes me that so many follow the doctrine...but I wouldn't take it so literally. Try to look for connections, rather than that what seperates us.

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Monday July 9, 2012, 12:43 pm
I like that Richard Harris in the videos, says that we Atheists should not just define ourselves by what we are "against".
However, if everybody based their view of factuality on Rationality rather than on "Faith", that would no longer be necessary.
A-Theos, from Greek, means no-God. I define God or Goddess or Gods, as a "Personality", a super-powerful one who can grant your wishes because of his/her/its/their immense power. Like a powerful member of your family, or an indulgent Ruler, a King or a Queen {often identified with, or considered the same as, gods}.
You ask them for such things as rain, bountiful harvests, successful hunting, children, wealth, relief from pain or illness, success in battle, etc. etc. etc. The God or Gods grant them according to their whim -- or if you've been a good boy or girl by their standards {which often include abjectly grovelling to them -- just like real Kings & Queens}.
The gods have changed a great deal; but the requests have stayed the same!

I hold, and this is my personal opinion, that those who maintain such expressions as "god is Everything"; "god is in everything"; "god is the Universe"; "god is your Conscience"; "god is all of Nature"; "god is inside you"; "god is Love", etc. etc. etc. etc. etc., can use those expressions if they want to, if it makes them happy.....
Certainly, as an Atheist I am not against "Nature" or "Love" or "Conscience" or "the Universe"!

I frankly think that the USE of these sorts of expressions, are a MODERN COP-OUT --
but not consider yourself in your own mind an absolute Nut-case for "appealing to" an entirely imaginary "being" with the arbitrary power to make it rain if you ask pretty-please, regardless of what the surrounding weather conditions might be!
I think if people started not being afraid, and also DEFINED THEIR TERMS more clearly, then A LOT MORE ADMITTED ATHEISTS WOULD BE COMING OUT OF THE CLOSET.


Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Monday July 9, 2012, 1:21 pm
It IS of concern to me, not ONLY when "Religious People" intrude into my personal life and try to introduce Theocratic Rule into our Democracy.
Or, as Richard Harris says, they SAY they believe it -- which for all practical purposes, is just as bad.

When you are "dumbed down" in one area, or WILLFULLY IGNORANT, then it is INEVITABLE that you will be dumbed down in other areas too -- gullible, easily subject to fraud, IGNORING ELEMENTARY RULES OF EVIDENCE AND OF LOGIC, in MORE areas than one!
Isn't that EXACTLY WHAT WE SEE, in the Religious Right-wingers -- and, unfortunately, in A LARGE PART OF THE ELECTORATE IN GENERAL??? {Who ELECTED the tea-baggers,? and Wisconsin Governor Scott? who denies -- or ignores, or minimizes, Climate Change? who buys all the stupid gossip tabloids.....and gas-guzzling SUVs? and so on.......}
So it is REALLY IMPINGING ON MY QUALITY-OF-LIFE -- and even on my Life and my Health itself!!! -- that people start out believing ONE form of Nonsense, and then go on and run Mitt Romney as GOP candidate.....

I like it that Richard Harris PUTS DOWN THE "MODERATE" RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, as being at fault ALSO.
Richard Harris's ideas run closely parallel to mine, even before I saw those 2 videos.

When "Religious" people say, well, "Creation" implies {or necessitates} we have a "Creator", they are only
In English Grammar, we have Noun, then Verb.
The Creator, Creates. The Creator Creates a Creation.
Noun {Subject}, Verb, Direct Object.
NOT ALL LANGUAGES ARE STRUCTURED THAT WAY. {Tho most European languages one may be familiar with, are.}
A Verb that, in the Grammar, doesn't "need" a "Thing", a "Noun" or a "Subject", to get it rolling!
You can have all SORTS of possibilities in language!
Latin and Greek, Indo-European languages, had the "Classic" Subject-Noun, Action-Verb, Direct-Object-Noun, format. So, the Early Church Fathers, came up with the "Creation NEEDS a CreaTOR" argument.
To confuse GRAMMAR RULES, with "REALITY"!!!
Some Native American languages, such as Navaho for example, have an entirely different way of looking at the world......!

So, I think, along with Richard Harris and others, that it would be really GOOD to {politely and kindly and without name-calling!}, DEBUNK THE "RELIGIOUS" NONSENSE AND FABLES THE "MODERATES" DEFEND; and lead even the "Moderates", to the Enlightenment of further Reason!!!
Heck, you could still have the Music and Art, Chorales and Masses and Xmas decorations, and stone Churches and soaring Cathedrals.... we appreciate Ancient Art without believing in the Ancient Gods; so why not the same with the Xian god??? No reason you couldn't have potlucks and picnics and celebrations and Gay weddings..... things that celebrate Community -- without the nonsense! Kids would take to it immediately! You wouldn't have to force indoctrination and "respectability" down their throats!

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Monday July 9, 2012, 1:38 pm
By the way, altho an avowed Atheist, I define myself as Spiritual --
once you got rid of the "god" fables, and that double-meaning WORD, then you could still discuss in a MUCH CLEARER WAY, what Harris calls "Intuition" and can be called "Inner Light" or "Moral Sense" or by lots of other terms. {As it is in some other languages.}
Wherever THAT comes from -- a fascinating field of investigation! -- it doesn't come from a request-granting worship-insisting entity for whom there is NO evidence whatsoever! {Once you get beyond the bounds of the Rules of English and Latin and Greek Grammar.}


Michael Wecke (9)
Monday July 9, 2012, 3:05 pm
So what else is new? Truth has always existed, in many forms and religious guises. The fact that Jesus preaches them is merely emphasising the Wisdom His Father poured into the world, before sending His son to save the world. This is not theological news.

Past Member (0)
Monday July 9, 2012, 3:34 pm
Michael, where is the proof of this crapola you preach?

Past Member (0)
Monday July 9, 2012, 3:37 pm
Why is the 'conservative' brain so susceptible to brainwashing?

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Monday July 9, 2012, 3:44 pm
Finally got around to watching the rather long video -- and, yes, this video is basically about what you might call the "Moral Sense" or whatever other word you want to call it -- and it doesn't have to be CONFUSED by calling it by the name of "God", "Jesus", "Religion", "Faith", or some other DIVISIVE idea. I realize that the religious words have RESONANCE with people and some good associations -- and certainly we see lots of Art and Color and nice photography here. And very sincere Believers.
Nevertheless, in the Modern World these gorgeous bits of colorfulness have been, and are still being, responsible for too much bloodshed and suffering......
These artistic but extraneous bits, can just be put away to be stared at in a nice museum together with the Ancient Gods like Osiris, that don't harm us any more......

I am willing to see Jesus as an itinerant wild radical preacher along with Gandhi, Thoreau, Nelson Mandela, Malcolm X in his later years, Tom Joad of Grapes of Wrath {a fictional character}, Woody Guthrie, the earlier Bob Dylan and Pete Seeger still alive..... Sojourner Truth representing us Women.....
All teaching us, reminding us of the Oneness we all share.....

Past Member (0)
Monday July 9, 2012, 4:09 pm
We must find our way to a time when faith, without evidence, disgraces anyone who would claim it.


marie C (163)
Monday July 9, 2012, 4:17 pm
I think it is fine to have a belief but do not force it onto others and I am not pro religions of fear or who are anti women otherwise live and let live

Past Member (0)
Monday July 9, 2012, 4:30 pm
If religious war is ever to become unthinkable for us, in the way that slavery and cannibalism seem poised too, it will be a matter of our having dispensed with the dogma of faith. If our tribalism is ever to give way to an extended moral identity, our religious beliefs can no longer be sheltered from the tides of genuine inquiry and genuine criticism. It is time we realized that to presume knowledge where one has only pious hope is a species of evil. Wherever conviction grows in inverse proportion to its justification, we have lost the very basis for human cooperation. Where we have reason for what we believe, we have no need of faith; where we have no reasons, we have lost both our connection to the world and to one another. People who harbor strong convictions without evidence belong at the margins of our societies, not in our halls of power. The only thing we should respect in a person’s faith is his desire for a better life in this world; we need never have respected his certainty that one awaits him in the next.

Vicky P (476)
Monday July 9, 2012, 4:31 pm
rob and jay- Take your hatefulness and stuff it, all religions have a message of peace that gets distorted over time, when someone gets attacked in Islam, they attack back, simple as that, the Quran has a message for every thing in life hence why there's some violent things in there.

Marie W (67)
Monday July 9, 2012, 8:48 pm
Nothing new in this video- most has been known to historians and theologists for years. It is the public (mostly US) than wallows in ignorance.

Patricia N (9)
Monday July 9, 2012, 10:40 pm
I've been studying religion for years now and have come to the conclusion that the Jewish and Christian history is just a rehash of the same info from eons and eons ago. I have been trying to find some truth that there ever was a man named Jesus that the Christianity is based on and haven't found it yet but the message that comes sounds very Buddhist in many ways. I'm in the middle of reading The Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Pagels. Amazing all the different Christian ideas in the first four centuries that did not win out to be put in the New Testament. I think the best thing we can do is to try to do no harm, help when we can all sentient beings and live a life of love and compassion to the best of our ability. The Christian story goes back to Egypt for sure and likely further. Great comments Care2 people. Lots of thinking here. I guess we could debate and discuss the question for the next thousand years but we likely still wouldn't get all the answers.

Jay S (116)
Monday July 9, 2012, 11:56 pm
Vicky P, as usual you spout ignorance of everything. You also praise and defend the hateful Islamic dictatorship in Iran, giving not a whit of compassion to all the victims.

Your silly PC comment that all religions carry a message of peace is total crap. You obviously have never read the Qur'an, hadith and sira - we have and it does NOT preach peace and love of neighbor unless they are Muslims. Mohammed and his imaginary god commanded Muslims to kill unbelievers 'wherever you find them' and force Islam's primitive sharia law on the whole world (as they did in every country that islam occupies now) so 'that all religion will be for Allah'.

Allah says he 'does not love the unbelievers' (Qur’an 30:45) There are 109 verses of hate toward all non-Muslims in the Qur'an alone and the Islamic trilogy has more hatred of the Jews (commanding Muslims to kill them all or the Muslim day of resurrection will not come) than 'Mein Kampf'.

The few relatively nice verses were in Mohammed's early days in Mecca but are all abrogated/cancelled by the later much more hateful and violent verses when he moved to Medina and became a murderous bandit, rapist, pedophile, slave taker/owner/trader forcing everyone to convert, die or flee.

You need to do some actual reading and research. Your typical comments are so laughably shallow and totally lacking in any basis but the PC crap from the looney leftists.

Mohammed said: "Killing unbelievers (non-Muslims) is a small matter to us." Mohammed, Tabari 9:69

"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you harshness." Qur’an 9:1

"Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah." Mohammed, Ibn Ishaq 992

"...for the Prophet said, "If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." Bukhari 4:52:260 (Islam commands the killing of those who criticize, question or leave it, and gay people - are you saying this isn't hateful? Are you defending this hate? We oppose hate of all kind and Islam is built on it)

"I have been made victorious with terror." Mohammed, Bukhari 4:52:220

"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends."5:51

Sahih Muslim Book 26:5389 recorded from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet said,
(Do not initiate the Salam [peace greeting] to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley.)

Reliance of the Traveller, o9.0:
"Jihad means to war against non-Muslims."
The Reliance of the Traveller is Sunni Islam’s authoritative volume on Sharia law. It is endorsed by Alazhar University, Islam’s equivalent of the Vatican.

Muhammad said, "Allah marvels at those who are brought to paradise in chains" (Bukhari 52:254). (people who are forced to convert)

And the best of all: Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 327: - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Only the most deluded could ever equate Mohammed and his life and teachings of hate and violence with those of Jesus Christ or Gautama the Buddha. Only the most ignorant would try.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 18, 2012, 2:24 am
I watched the videos on Youtube a few weeks ago, very, very interesting!

Kenneth L (314)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 2:31 pm
Rob and Jay: "Mohammed and his imaginary god" And there we have the great 'Rob and Jay' proclaiming about even the Supreme Being, in this case the Supreme Being of Islam. And Christianity has it's own Supreme Being, not called Allah, but God.
Must be a very self-important, all-knowing 'authority' to proclaim about any Supreme Being----while even at the same time quoting Christ, who after all said he was the 'Son of God', I guess it's all up to the great 'Rob and Jay' to decide for others who is an imaginary Supreme Being and who isn't.

'Rob and Jay' while vilifying Mohammed and the Supreme Being in Islam and the entire Koran (ask them for any good passages...), and Islam evidently in it's entirety yet have the bizarre computation that they 'don't hate all muslims and have muslim friends', yet the Koran and Islam and Allah are all the religion of Muslims as they so frantically try to pound into people.

Just a warped 'Rob and Jay' computation that is only able to be worked out in a convoluted mental process of theirs

But go ahead, tell everyone which God is real and which isn't, what is true and what isn't, what everyone should and shouldn't know, what you're 'good' at.


Past Member (0)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 7:17 pm
Jesus is both the Son of God and God himself!
Jesus is also the only to Heaven!

If you wish to be saved, accept Jesus into your heart as your personal Lord and Savior!

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16 KJV)

Be saved now if you aren't saved yet as a pre-tribulation rapture is at hand! Be raptured when Jesus comes to take His bride (the church), or be left behind. I certainly hope all of you will accept God's free gift of salvation.

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 9:10 pm
".... he gave his only begotten Son....."

"...we are all his children."

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