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Tell Catholic Bishop -Attacking Nelson Mandela Is Unacceptable! - SIGN PLEASE !


Society & Culture  (tags: "Tata" Madiba nelson Mandela, Catholic church, Roman Catholic bishop Tobin, RI )

Angelika
- 281 days ago - act.faithfulamerica.org
While the rest of the world mourns Nelson Mandela and celebrates his courageous leadership, one Roman Catholic bishop just issued a statement accusing Mandela of "shameful promotion of abortion."



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Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday December 10, 2013, 2:59 pm
>>lost for words...
 

AniMae Chi (407)
Tuesday December 10, 2013, 3:10 pm
And the Westboro's want to picket his funeral!

SIGNED
 

Franshisca Dearmas (91)
Tuesday December 10, 2013, 3:38 pm
Noted and signed. TY Angelika
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday December 10, 2013, 3:55 pm
Pope Francis has warned that the Catholic Church should not focus exclusively on abortion and gay marriage, and his own statement on Mandela's death made no mention of abortion, nor did that of the president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Rhode Island bishop Thomas Tobin, who earlier this year said he was "disappointed" with the pope for not speaking about abortion more often, is so single-minded that he can't even mark the passing of one of the world's most beloved leaders without using it as an opportunity to wage culture war.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (273)
Tuesday December 10, 2013, 4:01 pm
Bloody Moron I signed too
 

Pat B. (354)
Tuesday December 10, 2013, 5:22 pm
Definitely signed this one, thank you, Angelika.
 

Betsy Bee (1058)
Tuesday December 10, 2013, 5:39 pm
This bishop will find himself in trouble with the new pope.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday December 10, 2013, 6:12 pm
HE SHOULD!!
 

Natasha Salgado (520)
Tuesday December 10, 2013, 7:24 pm
MORON. Signed-thx Angelika
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 10, 2013, 7:51 pm
S/N Thank you.
 

Mike S. (86)
Wednesday December 11, 2013, 3:55 am
SS&N. Thank you Angelika.
 

Ben Oscarsito (338)
Wednesday December 11, 2013, 7:07 am
Bishop Tobin; -Shut up, you freaking moron!
 

Angelika R. (143)
Wednesday December 11, 2013, 7:59 am
!! thanks Ben!!
 

jess b (24)
Wednesday December 11, 2013, 8:04 am
I think I signed before, but signed again. Thks Angelika
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 5:05 am
Noted and signed. Thanks Angie
 

kate kSick (481)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 8:20 am
Noted and signed
 

Marie McAdam (0)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 9:55 am
SIGNED
 

GGmaSheila D. (170)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 12:20 pm
Seems to me that the "good" bishop Tobin should concentrate on cleaning out the pedophiles from the Catholic Church, spend less time on pro-birth, and, especially, spend less time making negative comments about a man that's loved by a world that seldom agrees on anything. The bishop is just jealous - a sin according to any Bible.
 

Marliese B. (63)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 12:21 pm
Thank you. Noted and signed!
 

Birgit W. (144)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 12:40 pm
My pleasure to sign.
 

caroline s. (80)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 1:06 pm
Signed!!!
 

Lynne Buckley (0)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 2:18 pm
Signed
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 2:43 pm
Gladly signed a couple times now. Noted. Thanks, Angie!
Message to all (Catholic) priests, bishops, etc...."If you can't say something nice, and take care of those most in need, then please shut up." The day I will jump for joy is the day Pope Francis takes a little walk around the Vatican, picks out a couple of pieces of the finest art, and sells them.....giving all the money to those who really need it. (Or attaining food, shelter, medical care, etc. for them). All I want is a photo of the cardinals & those laity in the hierarchy as they contort their faces into something not seen before by human as this is done.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 2:50 pm
STAR SHOWER for LOIS !!!
 

norma laborie (32)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 3:29 pm
signed
 

Robert Tomlinson (65)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 4:22 pm
Signed and Noted!
 

Syd Henley (0)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 4:35 pm
While I have no sympathy or interest in what Roman Catholic bishop Tobin, or any other religionists may have to say about Mandela, I cannot sign the petition and therefore attack this Bishop.
Whether you agree or disagree about abortion, we should stop treating Mandela as if he were some sort of a SAINT. He was not. What he was, was a TERRORIST & MURDERER, absolutely no different to the terrorists and murderers who flew aeroplanes into the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon on 9/11 killing thousands of innocent people, in the name of their private agenda and beliefs.
Please remember Mandela's innocent victims, the thousands of Black and White men, women and children, who disagreed with him and his party the ANC, and for their opposition got chopped up with machetes, were shot and necklaced (burned to death with petrol filled tyres).
 

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 4:58 pm
thx Syd-but frankly, I think you should educate yourself about 9/11 and learn it was an inside job..
 

Barbara V. (51)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 5:09 pm
Never fails! There's always one rotten apple in the barrel.
 

Aurea Walker (201)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 5:18 pm
Angie, Syd Henley like many others of his ilk has no profile? Hmmm wonder why? Some other inflammatory, fact twisting, hate filled idiots who post on our web have very scant info and are not worthy of responding too. Sadly their is "some truth" to his statement, but the same can also be said about Georgie Porgie little dry drunk Bush and evil/Cheney. Starting a war on a country that was bogus and Halliburton knew it and prepared for. As to this moronic, asinine "priest" I do so hope the new pope hauls his ass on the CARPET and rips him a new one. As an agnostic and former Roman Catholic member it is priest like Tobin and especially the last pope that pushed me out of the church and into rational, logical thinking instead of fear of an unknown "god" entity. Mandela more than atoned for his transgressions, 27 years in a jail in that country would seem like a lifetime. What Mr. Mandela did after he was released is what we must all honor him for! Tobin should be held accountable for his egregious rantings and put out to pasture. I also sense about Tobin that he should not be in contact with little boys.
 

Winn Adams (192)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 6:47 pm
Signed.
 

Colleen L. (2)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 9:51 pm
Gladly signed. I too am shocked. Thanks Angelika
 

Ondine J. (133)
Friday December 13, 2013, 12:13 am
Noted and signed,thanks
 

Louise D. (38)
Friday December 13, 2013, 12:18 am
Signed - why is it that some Catholic Bishops so obsessed about abortions? Given the HIV crisis in Africa they should be helping the people not making things worse with their ridiculous dogma. There is Seven Billion people on this planet - so a bunch of virgins dictating about birth control should really stop dictating about things.
 

Bridget Robertson (106)
Friday December 13, 2013, 1:20 am
Noted and signed.
 

Patricia Martinez (12)
Friday December 13, 2013, 8:08 am

The Bishop has EVERY RIGHT to criticize Mandela. For every ideologue, some other ideologue is going to step on another ideologue's toes. That's the way the world works. While Mandela did many good things, he did some bad things, too. Big deal.

How about if we had a petition out to stop Angelika's complaining about complaining? This is ridiculous. Petitions like this help make the world a political correctocracy, a sort of fascism where if you don't agree with someone's opinion -- especially one who was simply upholding his faith -- then you get P.C. militia out in full force, trying to silence and gag dissent.

SO WHAT if he criticized Mandela? This reminds me of Muslims who go spastic if you criticize Islam.

Angelika doesn't seem to mind that Muslims are killing thousands of people each month, but a bishop didn't like Mandela.... Well!!! That's simply unacceptable, isn't it.

I think people need to reconsider their value systems.


 

Kathy B. (98)
Friday December 13, 2013, 8:22 am
Sorry, I can't agree with you Patricia, my view is that it does no good to criticise the dead. AND since Mandela wasn't a Catholic it's a very pathetic criticism at best.
 

Patricia Martinez (12)
Friday December 13, 2013, 9:49 am

Kathy,

It IS a little weird to criticize the dead. The petition is not clear about what was said about Mandela. It is also not clear what the motivating factors are for the criticism. I doubt if those are always readily discernible. There are so many agendas of different groups.

The Church gets to vote on who's a Saint. Maybe the Church feels that the world has made Mandela a de facto saint and this ignores to Church's protocol and candidates.

Meanwhile, there are far more important issues than what so and so said about such and such. It's a lot of hoopla over nothing.

 

Angelika R. (143)
Friday December 13, 2013, 11:02 am
The issue of Catholic church being so hellbent against birth control and abortion in itself is NOT a "nothing" ! Let alone any inappropriate comment by some bishop at this occasion!
 

Angelika R. (143)
Friday December 13, 2013, 11:09 am
here's for Patricia: Tobin's words:
“Many people around the world and in our own nation are mourning the loss of former South African President Nelson Mandela. Indeed there is much to admire in Mandela’s long life and public service, particularly his personal courage and his stalwart defense of human rights.

There is part of President Mandela’s legacy, however, that is not at all praiseworthy, namely his shameful promotion of abortion in South Africa. In 1996 Mandela promoted and signed into law the “Choice on Termination of Pregnancy Bill” that, according to the New York Times, “replaced one of the world’s toughest abortion laws with one of the most liberal.”

While we pray for the peaceful repose of President Mandela’s immortal soul and the forgiveness of his sins, we can only regret that his noble defense of human dignity did not include the youngest members of our human family, unborn children.”
 

Angelika R. (143)
Friday December 13, 2013, 11:14 am
and....I will overlook your other inappropriate personal comment about me , Patricia..no use feeding trolls
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Friday December 13, 2013, 11:30 am
I was always raised that if you don't have anything good to say about the newly deceased then say nothing at all.

These so called "spiritual leaders" leave me with a heavy heart.
 

Patricia Martinez (12)
Friday December 13, 2013, 11:43 am

It sounds pretty balanced to me. He acknowledges the good, disagrees with what he disagrees with. I don't see what's "unacceptable" about that.

It's too bad you can't stick to the substance of the issue, Angelika, and have to resort to name calling. That almost always indicates that the name caller doesn't believe in the strength of his/her argument.

This petition made it to the Most Active status for everyone to view, note, not note, comment and not comment. I certainly didn't come looking for it.

I think something as overblown as the author's petition's use of the word, "unacceptable", reminds me when my mother would say, "Who died and left her boss?"

What's also disturbing is that the people signing this are like the unthinking Rush Limbaugh Ditto-heads, but on the opposite of the spectrum.
 

Patricia Martinez (12)
Friday December 13, 2013, 12:19 pm

Dandelion,

I would generally agree with that. I think that it's a little strange and off, but perhaps understandable, IF the bishop feels that this person is in essence being beatified for all of his merits and faults, and he did have some egregious faults.

My only disagreement is that I don't think it warrants calling it "unacceptable" which sounds very arrogant, or a petition.

It's kind of like saying, "You said my mother wears army boots. Waaaah. That's unacceptable. I'm going to tell on you."

 

Muriel Servaege (45)
Friday December 13, 2013, 1:15 pm
Thank you, Angelika.
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Friday December 13, 2013, 2:15 pm
I'm not sure why Patricia you chose to pull me out onto the thread concerning said petition that I didn't place on here nor did I say if I signed it or not, over all the others who have commented on here. Perhaps you didn't get the satisfaction you were seeking on taking a personal pop shot at another member.

In fact I had an issue with you on the bringing into the conversation the "Muslims" which also had nothing to do with this thread nor Mandela. Seems whenever someone has an issue with Islam they are at the ready with a Muslim comment. I see it all the time, matters not on the topic, got to find a way to throw in the Muslims in some negative way. You certainly have the right to sign or not sign any petition members place on the thread so if it isn't something that suits you, then by all means do not sign.

Now I was being real polite on here, didn't bother you nor another of whom I did disagree with but as you have dragged me into it..........

The Bishop should of either brought up the good points on Mandela that he felt deserving those words and left it at that or he should of just been quiet. There were plenty of years when Nelson Mandela was alive he could of taken his swipes at the man. Nelson Mandela never claimed to be perfect, he spent many years in prison, I think he had a lot of injustices brought down upon him and those he was speaking up for; least we forget the Sharpeville massacre for one. Where are all these people of the cloth when it comes to the various injustices and massacre's around this world?

If the Bishop wants to proclaim his stance on abortion or anything else he can do it outside of the context of bringing in the deceased. Just as I didn't approve of Rick Santorum's link to ObamaCare and Mandela, both of these men are placing their personal agenda's into the limelight as they know that many are reading anything that might have Nelson Mandela linked to it. I find it very disrespectful. Being that they are both a politician and a member of the clergy I also find it inexcusable.
 

Dave C. (214)
Friday December 13, 2013, 3:07 pm
signed, I am tired of "those faithful" who have to Judge everyone and everything....wouldn't Jesus have said that was God's job.......not up on my bible quotes, but wasn't there something about judging the speck in your neighbor's eye while ignoring the log in yours or something like that????
 

S J. (116)
Friday December 13, 2013, 5:04 pm
Done, thanks Angelika.

If anyone wants to criticized me, come when I am alive please, for I have a room to defend myself, please try not to do it behind me either. Don't you think it's unfair, not gentlewoman to attack voiceless? I know quite little about any high value system, I simply take that I shall not fight or hurt weaker, harmless, voiceless, deceased, etc.
 

Mitchell D. (131)
Friday December 13, 2013, 6:57 pm
In "Galapagos," Kurt Vonnegut gets much mileage out of how the human brain, in spite of its technological brilliance, had (the story takes place a million years from now) caused humans in our time, to make enormous blunders in judgment. Bishop Tobin might have easily been one of those fools, were Vonnegut to write the story now.
 

Esther Z. (101)
Friday December 13, 2013, 8:16 pm
Noted and signed.
 

Vicky P. (464)
Friday December 13, 2013, 10:59 pm
noted, signed
 

A F. (132)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 4:12 am
judge not, lest ye be judged.
 

Veerle V. (45)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 9:06 am
Signed ! Thank you Angelika.
 

Barb PL (1067)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 2:28 pm
Noted and would be glad to sign...
 

Angelika R. (143)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 2:33 pm
what is stopping you Barb?
 

Sergio Padilla (62)
Friday December 27, 2013, 9:04 am
done
 
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