Saturday July 18, 2009, 11:25 am
This is nothing more than the usual ani-Republican propaganda garbage the dems keep using in an effort to make Republicans look ignorant. It actually reflects the ignorance of the liberal loonies.

Saturday July 18, 2009, 12:40 pm
As per the title, let us focus on one item: Scientists and Party affiliation. Once, there were sizable portions of the scientific community in basically all portions of the American political scene. No longer. As can be seen in the in the article, "Partisan and Ideological Differences", of 2500 polled scientists, just 6 percent of the polled identify themselves as Republicans (as opposed to 23 percent of the overall population).

Now, disinformation on key issues clearly has had an impact.

•"87% of scientists state that evolution is the result of natural processes with just 32 percent public agreement."
•"the near consensus among scientists about global warming is not mirrored in the general public. While 84% of scientists say the earth is getting warmer because of human activity such as burning fossil fuels, just 49% of the public agrees."
These sort of significant gaps between expert and informed knowledge and general, public view should be -- are -- troubling. The scientists identify poor media coverage of science as a key problem. And, journalistic analyses of media reporting on global warming agree with that. Thus, the challenge isn't expert knowledge, but communicating that knowledge to the general public with a thick and confusing media filter while dealing with determined disinformation campaigns

Saturday July 18, 2009, 1:31 pm
You cannot currently send a star to David because you have done so within the last week.
Noted and thank you

Saturday July 18, 2009, 8:48 pm
Republicans do not just rejct science, they reject any fact or truth that interferes with their servitude to the Christian Taliban of America and the Corpoations that fund their political agenda. As the political arm of the CTA they must reject facts and truths to promote the CTA agenda to replace the Constitution and the Bill of Rights with Christian Sharia as the basis of American Democracy and Law. Religion is based on belief and faith neither of which is based on truth or fact! The BibleS used for their Christian Sharia have been deliberately engineered by men to promote agendas for gathering social,political and economic power! First to get Constantine behind the early Christians, Council of Nicaea 325 CE, he got to help pick which 300 other original versions of the Bible were burned and pick/edit the Books and Gospels that would remain; Marks version of Lazarus, the Gospels of Mary Magdalene and Judas etc deleted. King James from 1604 to 1611 CE edit/translates the Bible again to cement/legitimize the Angilcan-Roman Catholic split and the Protestants jumped on board. The Mormon Church had a "divine revelation" about their 'black problem' and "stopped" prcticing polygamy out of political and legal necessity. And still they pick and choose from their Bibles to fit their social, economic and political agendas. Slavery,polygamy, women as property that husbands can rape, and Adultery are are still Biblical truth/facts that would lose them elections and/or get them sent to prison. They do all they can in spite of that quaint "freedom of religion" fact in the U.S. Constitution to make their Christian Sharia the Law of the United States of America and keep their Corporate backers getting richer. They are among the best when it comes to intentional ignorance stupidity of convienience.

Saturday July 18, 2009, 9:21 pm
"This is nothing more than the usual ani-Republican propaganda garbage the dems keep using in an effort to make Republicans look ignorant. It actually reflects the ignorance of the liberal loonies."

Considering what YOU often post in the American Politics group, Gina, I know better than to believe you at all. Why is it that right-wing extremists always try to cover their butts by labling most of their opponents "the liberal loonies"?

Sunday July 19, 2009, 11:33 am
Really Gina? The Republican party line has been to fight stem cell research and deny global warming, and a shocking number of Republicans don't believe evolution exists. Sounds pretty anti-science to me. And "liberal loonies"? Let's see, which term sounds more like a stupid piece of anti-party propaganda, "anti-science" or "lefty-loony"? Do you actually have anything intelligent to say about this story? Idiocy as you have just spouted is largely responsible for the level of ignorance in this country.

Sunday July 19, 2009, 12:27 pm
Are all republicans Catholic?

Monday July 20, 2009, 10:02 am
My question is why is there such a gap between scientists and the general public? is it the lack of science in schools?

Monday July 20, 2009, 11:05 am
I am tired of our partisan politics standing in the way of our learning.

Monday July 20, 2009, 12:14 pm
"Considering what YOU often post in the American Politics group, Gina, I know better than to believe you at all. Why is it that right-wing extremists always try to cover their butts by labling most of their opponents "the liberal loonies"?"

It's because, Dale, that's all they've got. Name calling and temper tantrums, just like the intellectual children they are.

Monday July 20, 2009, 1:48 pm
Its so funny and almoast scarry to hear the conservatives reject facts and scientific evidence in favor of regurgitating propaganda. How do they think they are smarter than people who are highly educated and have spent their entire lives studying objectively what they are talking about.
Where did you get the 32% figure Live science says that 61% agree with evolution.
http://www.livescience.com/history/080102-evolution-teaching.html A recent survey says that only Turkey ranks lower in world acceptance of evolution. Its really embarassing how low our country ranks. The study also found Protestantism is more fundamentalist than anybody except perhaps the Islamic fundamentalist. Their is a good reason there are so few scientist who are republicans because they have been educated and they know better.

Tuesday July 21, 2009, 7:28 am
I love that headline! That just cracks me up. LOL!

*off to read the article*

Tuesday July 21, 2009, 7:29 am
That headline just cracks me up!

*off to read the article*

Tuesday July 21, 2009, 7:51 am
All I can say is: See the movie, "Idiocracy." If the conservative whackos have their way, that's exactly where we are headed.

*embarrassing*

Tuesday July 21, 2009, 11:59 am
From ‘Socialized Medicine’ To ‘Dead Baby Juice,’ GOP Moderate Faces Down Rabid Right-Wing Conspiracies

Rep. Castle and the other Republicans who supported clean energy reform have been branded “cap and traitors.” The Meetup-organized conspiracy theorists attacking them are being fed a constant stream of misinformation and incitement from Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Prison Planet, Americans for Prosperity,and the rest of the right-wing machine. Today’s conservative movement refuses to make any room for old school Republicans like Mike Castle.

Tuesday July 21, 2009, 5:30 pm
gina: if you're saying that we loony liberal dems are clever enough to fake party registration data, then all i can say is "gee, i'm glad we've got all those scientists on our side!"

Tuesday July 21, 2009, 8:28 pm
Ahh, the only real facts here are the party affiliation of scientists.

Like academics generally, scientists know where the money comes from and they will vote accordingly.

Simple as that. As a class of people, scientists have no right to impose their values on the majority of society which is what they consistently attempt to do.

Tuesday July 21, 2009, 10:30 pm
Conservative students of science are ruthlessly converted or discouraged and weeded out of the liberal enclaves we call universities, therefore the high percentage of liberal scientists is only a testament to the progressive movements long term goal of mandated conformity and centralization. It is a simple case of "how many fingers am I holding up". The general consensus is that you MUST believe ( or pretend to believe) in man made global warming or you will not get good grades. The same is true of other liberal philosophy such as evolution INSTEAD of Gods creation. And believing anything that would make you proud of your country(anything that isn't considered a progressive break through like the new deal). Attending college today is like attending a liberal boot camp, what, with mandatory race relations and diversity classes. It is an indoctrination not an education.

Tuesday July 21, 2009, 10:38 pm
Faith Communities & Disability from Religion & Ethics News Weekly
Check out the most recent episode of PBS’ Religion & Ethics Newsweekly.
The episode features Reverend Bill Gaventa and people with disabilities and their families from Christian, Jewish and Muslim congregations

Tuesday July 21, 2009, 10:39 pm
Republican Ensign's "C Street House" Owned By Group Touting Plans For Christian World ControlYouth
With a Mission is one of the most extensive Christian fundamentalist para-church organizations, and YWAM founder leader Loren Cunningham has publicly outlined a vision for Christian world-control.

Wednesday July 22, 2009, 12:35 am
Republican's, Democrats or WHATEVER they only listen to the cry of their own pockets!! Remember the global warming issue and how clearcutting has affected us? Then please check this link out and sign!!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/266674325

Wednesday July 22, 2009, 10:58 am
You know of course, Blue, that compassion to disabilities is downright unscientific. According to every principle of rational human development, they should be aborted or euthanized.

YWAM has no militia and your clues to a political conspiracy are really laughable. Radical Islam has many militia and an agenda that dominates several nations. Which should we be concentrating on as a matter of SCIENTIFIC rational priority???

Wednesday July 22, 2009, 4:11 pm
"You know of course, Blue, that compassion to disabilities is downright unscientific. According to every principle of rational human development, they should be aborted or euthanized. "

Normally I would say that anyone comparing their foes to Hitler loses the fight, this time it's perfectly justified.

Wednesday July 22, 2009, 5:03 pm
You forget the title of the post
Religion vs Science


"compassion to disabilities is downright unscientific. According to every principle of rational human development, they should be aborted "(except for the last part "or euthanized) which is Hitlerian, the rest is common practice as recommended by American SCIENCE for Down syndrome - ya know, Trig Palin!!!!, and in some cases if detectable by Prenatal Genetic Testing for Cystic Fibrosis, Tay-Sachs Disease, Sickle Cell Disease!!, etc etc.

Gotcha once more!!

Wednesday July 22, 2009, 5:58 pm
"compassion to disabilities is downright unscientific" really makes no sense for the following reason:
According to wordnetweb.princeton.edu the definition of “unscientific” is: not consistent with the methods or principles of science; "an unscientific lack of objectivity" Compassion for disabilities is a moral issue and not a scientific issue. The only instance where this could be remotely be inferred is if one was a pure Darwinian follower.



" As a class of people, scientists have no right to impose their values on the majority of society which is what they consistently attempt to do."

I always thought that being a scientist was a profession, and not a socioeconomic class!

Wednesday July 22, 2009, 6:09 pm
The general consensus is that you MUST believe ( or pretend to believe) in man made global warming or you will not get good grades

I know it's been a while since I attended the university (hint fire water air and earth were the only elements LOL) but I always thought it was studying witch brought good grades. So that is the reason I almost flunked Physics! I didn’t put anything about global warming in my paper on vector motion and forces!

Thursday July 23, 2009, 5:43 am
OMG, is this Robert B person for real? LOL!

Yikes. That's all I'm sayin'.

Thursday July 23, 2009, 6:52 am
You forget the title of the post
Religion vs Science

What? When has being a Republican become a Religion?

Thursday July 23, 2009, 11:56 am
"OMG, is this Robert B person for real? LOL! "

Yes, and as you're finding out, a prick extraordinaire.

Thursday July 23, 2009, 12:07 pm
why thank you, Thomas.

WATERLOO!!

Thursday July 23, 2009, 2:01 pm
I wonder if Robert B is in Judy Dent' clan!

Saturday July 25, 2009, 1:06 am
Your quite welcome Robert, everybody has to be good at SOMETHING. Being a thorough prick isn't what I'd choose for myself, but viva la difference.

Saturday July 25, 2009, 1:29 am
I think you've already chosen it Thomas.

Politicians always choose politics over science, if the science doesn't fit their preconceived notions. And since even scientists argue over science, there are plenty of theories to choose from to fit what you believe. Democrats are every bit as susceptible as Republicans, Obama's administration is already busy suppressing science it doesn't like.

Saturday July 25, 2009, 10:13 am
And yes Robert, "Waterloo" is my favorite Abba song.

Saturday July 25, 2009, 11:00 am
Ok lets get back to the actual article! This section was a part of a larger study on the public and their perception of science and scientists. I am surprised, at how much the skew was in the political party affiliation. Actually no I am not after thinking about how the previous US administration tended to ignore actual scientific research.

Now for some response to comments

Gina R.
Do you just fly into a discussion make remarks which are obviously politically biased then fly away never to be heard again? If you don't have any information to back up your claims then you are just spouting BS

LLOYD H.
Same thing about flying in and spouting off. Also the data doesn't lie the data is the data it was based upon a random sample of the population, and yes there may be some discrepancies between the sample used population as a whole but statistically the sample represents the overall reflections of the stated population.

Robert B.
I responded to your comment above, as for your other comments all I have to say is are you sane? I can't seem to find a rational reason for your comments!

Donni M.
Can you provide examples to support your statement that "Obama's administration is already busy suppressing science it doesn't like" again If you don't have any information to back up your claims then you are just spouting BS

Monday July 27, 2009, 3:22 pm
David wrote:

"Gina R.
Do you just fly into a discussion make remarks which are obviously politically biased then fly away never to be heard again? If you don't have any information to back up your claims then you are just spouting BS "

That's exactly what she does, not just here.

"Robert B.
I responded to your comment above, as for your other comments all I have to say is are you sane? I can't seem to find a rational reason for your comments! "

He tends to have his sanity questioned by most who read his posts.

Monday July 27, 2009, 3:45 pm
Crazy like a fox.

I will repeat that the only real facts here are the party affiliation of scientists. And that scientists are a subset of academics generally, they know where the money comes from and they will vote accordingly, just like the public employee unions and special interest groups.

We should rationally and morally follow stem cell science which would mean the vast preponderance of funds for Adult Stem Cells / IPSC which are safer and by the way more moral including the never stated need to induce women to hyperovulate.

We should rationally seek to limit all emissions, does any one care about S02, particulates etc while not damaging our economy or that of the developing world, because NOTHING is more damaging than poverty to the environment. We are still within quite broad geological records of temperature change and will be cooling (from a solar cycle) for at least 10 more years.

Sound crazy?

Tuesday July 28, 2009, 4:50 am
Robert your premise doesn't hold water As if you follow your premise the majority of Scientists are not in Academia. So if you follow your assumption the majority of scientists are employed in private industry. So therefore the majority should be republicans. Your theory doesn't follow the data!

The business/industry sector employed the largest share of scientists and engineers (69.4%), followed by educational institutions (18.8%) and government (11.8%).

Data presented here are from the 2003 and 2006 Scientists and Engineers Statistical Data System (SESTAT), which comprises three large demographic and workforce surveys of individuals conducted by NSF: the National Survey of College Graduates, the National Survey of Recent College Graduates, and the Survey of Doctorate Recipients.

Tuesday July 28, 2009, 9:23 am
Sorry Charlie -
I mean David, you are incorrect. Thanks for the info from 2006 Scientists and Engineers Statistical Data System (SESTAT). Unfortunately if you go there it counts nearly 13 million as at least potential scientists and engineers (including social sciences) with a bachelors degree. And they report 10.5 million are not working in a science and engineering field!!!

Let's instead go to the actual Pew / AAAS study http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/528.pdf where 2,533 AAAS members (subscribers to Science magazine and other scientific publications). Page 18 (page 20 pdf) says 63% are in the Academic sector, with an additional 17% in government and non-profit, less than 20% industry. To further pour salt in wounds, sorry, to prove my point which was less where they worked, but where they saw the money train coming from, look at page 28 (page 30 pdf), where 84% name a govt funding source as most important (admittedly respondents could choose 4 but industry is named only 20% of the time) AND even among industry scientists (get this!) on page 29 (page 31 pdf) government funding is still named just as high as non-governmental sources for their field!!

My premise not only holds water, this tidal wave of a self-selected, academically biased sample drowns out most of any meaningful results from this study.

Tuesday July 28, 2009, 7:54 pm
Very interesting information, Robert B. Thanks for sharing this with us. You're right, of course and unless someone lives in the bubble of "ignorance is bliss", it should be plain once all the facts are read. Unfortunately, propaganda never uses "facts" in its message.

Wednesday July 29, 2009, 4:35 am
Robert, as the data reports you are correct, it looks like the sample used for this report does not reflect the overall population distribution of a "typical" sample set.

Gina,
this is not propaganda, as they are correctly reporting their analysis based upon their data which was collected. They did not bias any of their information. I am not saying their representative sample is a good fit with the overall US population of scientists, but their statistics are valid for the population they collected.

Wednesday July 29, 2009, 2:44 pm
Well well, Gina has seen fit to grace us with her presence again. Funny she should bring up "Ignorance is bliss", for I think it explains the smile in her photo.

Thursday July 30, 2009, 6:02 pm
That is exactly how propaganda works. You have a desired result and you do what you need to to get that result. Either by careful wording of the questions to encourage the desired result or by choosing a sample group that you expect to give you the desired result or the old fashioned way of just manipulating the results and reporting them in a way that insinuates the desired result. Figures don't lie, but liars use figures. 99% of the people that hear the results of the poll will never know any of the details about the sample set or how the questions were worded or where the research money comes from. The most flawed part of this whole scenario is not the study, but the conclusions that people draw from the results. These conclusions are often based completely on personal experience and assumptions.

Wednesday August 5, 2009, 11:52 am

Republican Party Has Become "Cash for Clunkers" : GOP TRAILING IN 42 STATES!
The Republican Party is disintegrating in front of our eyes. The latest Gallup Poll has them leading in party identification in six states and tied in two. That means they're trailing in 42 states!