Monday October 12, 2009, 4:00 pm
Come onnnnnnn when they gonna stop this???? This is truley sad...for both sides...

Big Gorilly hugs

Monday October 12, 2009, 4:23 pm
Sorry how is it sad for BOTH sides...who is made homeless??

Monday October 12, 2009, 5:12 pm
OMG I have compassion for both sides...They all have lost someone or something cause of their idiodic governments. So yes it is sad for me for both sides.

Big Gorilly Hugs

Monday October 12, 2009, 5:29 pm
Idiotic Govs ..Would you think like this if someone knocked down your home?...Israel doesn't have a gov just gangsters aka secret masons/banksters running their apartheid.

Monday October 12, 2009, 5:46 pm
Im sure I would be pissed....But I wouldnt blame all the people for it..geeezzzzzz.

Big Gorilly Hugs

Monday October 12, 2009, 6:03 pm
The blame lies with those Israelis who give the orders and those who carry them out..

Monday October 12, 2009, 6:05 pm
"Israel says buildings subject to demolition orders have been built without permits. "

Don't steal someone land, and you won't be left homeless the other day. Both Arab and Jewish houses built without permissions are destroyed, stealing land is not allowed in civiliazied countries.

Monday October 12, 2009, 6:15 pm
As you always speak on behalf of your bosses I take it that you sanction every cruelty that is committed against the Indigenous Palestinians who don't need permits in their own land...therefore your comments are worthless trash and ridiculous rubbish as always. You do know but for any who don't....Those settlements are built on stolen land and don't have any permits = illegal. And the UN agrees.

Monday October 12, 2009, 6:25 pm
Okay Elderberry I agree with you there....But same goes for the Palestineans dont you think??? I blame both sides however you wanna look at it...The thing that Matters to me is the people who are getting hurt on BOTH sides...There are innocent familys, loved ones they are caught up in the middle of a bunch of egotistical governments.

Big Gorilly Hugs...

I just want peace for all....THAT is what I am striving for...

Monday October 12, 2009, 8:10 pm
Jews are the real Indigenous Palestinians, Elderberry, at least in that part of Palestine which is called The Land of Israel.

Which settlements are built on stolen land? Jerusalem was taken from Jordan in the defensive war and by the international law it is now a part of Israel. Squatters, both Arab and Jewish, may try to steal those lands, but both will be evicted, sooner or later. Try to encroach on your neighbour here and see what happens next.

UN does not expect Israel to return all lands taken in 67, the borders need to be negotiated. Either way, Jordan could claim Jerusalem, but not Palestinians residing in Gaza and West Bank (Judea and Samaria).

I will return you your words: "therefore your comments are worthless trash and ridiculous rubbish as always. " because I don't need this nonsense.

Monday October 12, 2009, 8:22 pm
Biblical Jews perhaps, but not this melting pot of carpetbagging foreigners who make up the majority of the current population of Israel whose only link to Palestine is a tenuous religious one and not remotely indigenous or cultural.

Monday October 12, 2009, 11:08 pm
This is the same Jewish people, with the same sacred texts, language and culture as in times of old.

Monday October 12, 2009, 11:20 pm
That's just rubbish and indefensible. It's like the crusaders coming back and claiming it for christianity.
Oh that's right the US ARE the new crusaders.
Don't worry though if the oil runs out or a new energy source is found both the Zionazis and the Jihadists will be on their own.

Tuesday October 13, 2009, 2:30 am
Wild Cat. Don't waste your time with these neo Nazis. Anyone who calls holocaust survivors and hundreds of thousands of refugees, kicked out of different Arab countries, " carpetbagging foreigners " is about as ignorant and mis-guided as you can get.
Elderberry, aka Jackie C, is an anti-semite from way back and isn't worth the time of day.

Tuesday October 13, 2009, 6:31 am
Stan, these wrightings of neo-Nazis are on the public forum, visible to lots of people, uninformed in that aspect. I spend my time for them.

Some people still believe well published lies that UN demanded from Israel to return ALL lands Israel got in the defensive war against Egypt and Jordan, or that Israel has to accept several millions descendants of Arab refugees living all over the world into Israel proper, or that Jews don't have a homeland in The Land Of Israel in Palestine, or that dhimmy's life is safe and happy, and so on.

John R, Palestine doesn't have oil, the only problem there is that it was ruled by Turks, and Islamists want it to remain under Islamic law. That's what the war there is about.

Which Arab states supporting fight against Israel give a damn about Palestinians? Noooobody. Who protest keeping them in concentration camps of Syria and Lebanon? Who protested when Jordan stripped thousands of them from citizenship? Who protested their expulsion from Iraq and Quwait? Noooobody. Even John R. didn't say a word, did you?

As for Crusaders, when HOLY WARRIORS of Al-Quida and Hezbolla FREEDOM FIGHTERS will start killing each other to decide who the Calif should be, all those Crusader wars will look like just kids' games. You know it very well too, don't you?

Wednesday October 14, 2009, 6:18 pm
I guess Jordan doesn't have the right to develop land given to it by the Balfour agreement. I guess the same is true of Muslim countries who use land once occupied by Jews. Much of the land the Palestiniansm which at one time were of many religions not just Muslim, are calling their land, was never their land and was International land or land they stole in Wars after Israel was declared a State by the UN.

Thursday October 15, 2009, 2:25 pm


From Delusion to Vindictiveness

Interpreting the Zionist Dream

By Gilad Atzmon
“The socio-economic structure of the Jewish people differs radically from that of other nations. Ours is an anomalous, abnormal structure.” (Ber Borochov- The Economic Development of the Jewish People 1917)

“You [Jews] lack the right notion of honour, feeling for duty, morality, patriotism, idealism….” (Max Nordau - Address at the 1st Zionist Congress 1897)

“But labour is the only force which binds man to the soil… it is the basic energy for the creation of national culture. This is what we do not have, but we are not aware of missing it. We are a people without a country, without a national living language, without a national culture. We seem to think that if we have no labour it does not matter - let Ivan, John or Mustafa do the work…” (A.D. Gordon, "Our Tasks Ahead" 1920)

October 13, 2009 "Information Clearing House" -- - Early Zionism was indeed a cheerful dream, it was all about the transformation of the ‘Jew’ into a ‘civilised, respectful and authentic human being’. The founders of Zionism were inspired by the notions of ‘people like any other people’ and ‘nation amongst nations’. Reading early Zionists such as Nordau, Borochov and Gordon provides us with some very contemptuous references to Jewish character and identity that would make Nazi ideology look mildly liberal.

However, one is advised to take a short break for a second and to contemplate critically over the above Zionist dream. One may wonder what kind of people dream of ‘becoming human beings’. Can anyone imagine a French, English or Chinese man or woman who dreams of becoming an ordinary ‘human’? We can easily think of oppressed human beings who demand to be treated as humans (Palestinians, Civil Rights movements, anti Apartheid and so on). Yet, the Zionist dream is rather different. It is not just about the desire for recognition or equality, it is not just about being treated appropriately, it is also a dream of ‘self-transformation’. In fact, it is all about a miraculous metamorphosis from a morbid ‘abnormal’ state of being into an acceptable decent human form.

Within the context of a fictional fable we can easily imagine a cow that fantasises to become a dairy farmer, a pig who ‘dies to’ become a Kosher schnitzel, a snake who aspires to take over the Labour party and then to launch a new Zionist illegal war. And yet, it is pretty unusual to think of people who have managed to develop an aspiration to become ‘ordinary humans’.

An intelligible way to explain or interpret that very unusual dream is probably to assume that those who succumb to the Zionist dream are those who happen to believe that, as far as their natural state of being is concerned, they are indeed remotely human. One would rightly assume that those who dream to become humans must be convinced that humanity is somehow not exactly a characteristic that they happen to possess.

Yesterday during a talk at Librairie Résistances, Paris (a fund raising event for Gaza) I was asked for my interpretation of Israeli ‘evolving barbarism’, how is it possible that 84% of the Israelis supported the IDF genocidal crime in Gaza last December. “In order to understand how these Israeli murderous practices emerged” I said, “all we have to do is to trace back and reread the early Zionist ideologists." We can easily learn from Zionist thinkers about their ‘dream’ and their vision of their fellow brothers. They, the founders of modern Jewish nationalism happened to admit somehow that something was totally corrupted within the Jewish identity, culture and character. However, they genuinely believed that it was amendable.

Zionism was there to bring about a new Jew, a civilised productive human being. It was indeed a very wet and epic dream. As an Israeli youngster I myself succumbed to this dream. I tended to believe that Israel was ‘my’ historic land, I regarded the Biblical protagonists as my direct ancestors. I was sure that, at least in the case of the so called ‘first Israelis’, the ideological transplant operation was a great success. We, the young Israeli natives tended to believe that we were all nothing less than a success story of ‘modified-civilised-humanist-secular-beings’.

Needless to say that the history of Palestine, the Palestinians and the Nakba was totally hidden from us. We didn’t see the Palestinians around us either, we were hardly aware of their suffering not to say their cause. We were in fact totally blind. We tended also to believe that our army was the ‘most humanist army around’. We grew up with the ‘1967 Victorious Diary’, a legendary chunky photo album every Israeli held in a prominent location on his book shelve. There in that glossy propaganda book an Israeli soldier was giving his water to an Egyptian prisoner. We regarded him as a symbol of our people’s endorsement of universal humanism. We were obviously not aware of the horrendous fact that the Sinai Desert was actually a slaughter field for hundreds of Egyptian POWs. Why didn’t we know? This in itself is a very good question. Our fathers who fought in this war must have known something but they kept quiet. Our parents who witnessed the 1948 convoys of Palestinians refugees should have known something about the Nakba but they somehow kept quiet. Interestingly enough, it wasn’t just our parents, we followed the exact same pattern. Once we ourselves matured into IDF soldiers, we did exactly the same, we turned a blind eye (1982 in Lebanon). And this has never changed. The Israeli moral awakening has never happened. By now I allow myself to argue that it won’t happen. The Zionist dream is just too comfortable. After more than one hundred years of moral phantasmic delusion the Israelis are deeply stuck in an ethical coma.

The Zionist dream of a ‘humanist metamorphosis’ has never matured into reality or practice. Quite the opposite, Israelis and Zionists have learned to see themselves through a phantasmic illusionary prism. Rather than being transformed into humanists for real, they have become ‘leading humanists’ in their own extreme judeo-centric dream.

Freud taught us that the dream is there to prolong the sleep: a siren, a baby cry and a dripping tap that takes place in the outside would be incorporated into the dream so we can keep snoozing. The ‘Israeli humanist dream’ operates in a similar manner, it is there to prolong the Zionist snore, it is there to keep Jews aloof to the crimes that are committed by their state, and in their names. The disturbances that come from the ‘outside world’ such as the Goldstone report or Ahmadinejad’s valid criticisms are incorporated into their dream as ‘white noise’ motivated by ‘pathological antisemitism’. Though in reality the Jewish state is barbarian with no comparison, in their dream, it is nothing but ‘business as usual’.

The daily reality of Israeli barbarism in Palestine should bring us back to elaborate over the Zionist dream of transformation. In spite of the great promise, the Jewish state has failed to become a ‘nation like other nations’. Similarly, the Zionist people are not exactly ‘people like other people’ for no other people approve genocide collectively.

The Jewish state that was supposed to be a celebration of identity transformation became instead the ultimate embodiment of the morbid symptoms Zionism was there to heal. Israel has already managed to surround itself by gigantic ghetto walls, it spits fire and WMD on its indigenous population. It locks millions in concentration camps and starves them. As bizarre as it may be, only in the face of Israeli colossal barbarism, can one adequately understand the full meaning of the irony of the Zionist dream of humanist metamorphosis.

Zionism was doomed to fail: it is a blood related project, it is racially orientated and it is supremacist to the bone. The Zionist dream has become a true devastating nightmare for real: the Golem* Jewish State wakes up every morning to commit more and more crimes in the name of the Jewish people. With an arsenal of hundreds of nuclear bombs and motivated by a phantasmic Holocaust religion that preaches nothing but vengeance, there is no greater danger to humanity, humanism and our civilization than Israel and its lobbies around the world.

All I have to say is beware!

*Golem – a Yiddish Frankenstein
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23700.htm

Friday October 16, 2009, 6:00 am
Brigitte, such a long quote from one jazz musician. You posted it here for a few times, I guess you like him, do you? For me, he had too much LCD before writing those notes.

Encroaching on someone else's property is forbiddent to anyone - even if some jazz musician supports it.