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Stanley Hilton was a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole (R) and has personally known Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz for decades. This courageous man has risked his professional reputation, and possibly his life, to get this information out to people.

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Michael Sandstrom (306)
Wednesday May 21, 2008, 7:23 pm
A VERY GOOD Friend found this, TY my dear friend!!!!

Gorilly Girl (339)
Wednesday May 21, 2008, 7:29 pm
Wow makeith me confused...LOL Not hard to do...Wow...brings a whole new light to the 911 ordearl...Hmmmmmmmmm

Big Gorilly Hugs

June Marshall (395)
Wednesday May 21, 2008, 7:35 pm
I've seen and heard so much that 9-11 was staged. With who's in power I can believe that is the truth!

Gorilly Girl (339)
Wednesday May 21, 2008, 7:41 pm
Why and how...I mean kill so many of your own people...Oh so he could make war...and look like a BIG man????

Cher C (1429)
Wednesday May 21, 2008, 7:45 pm

Thnx Michael!!

Hans L (958)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 1:53 am
Thanks Michael this should open some eyes..but blind men cannot see!
How do the US Media deal with this kind of information?
I cannot think that any European politician who could get away with this
in 2008 we are not living in 1938-1945 the last time that these kind of things where happening here!

I guess that too many people are too frightened to face and accept the truth!

And i cannot even blame them....The USA is a lie from the very first beginning! And as soon as there is a president or person who is speaking the truth and nothing but the truth he is being killed like JFK!
But at least more and more people are aware of how GWB realy is worse than
Hitler! I think that Hitler and his gang did not even think about these kind of things in the wildest desperate and sick must you be to figure this out and than realy do it...disgusting

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 6:27 am

Thanks for getting this story out, Michael!

Yes, sometimes the truth is so horrible that a sane person doesn't want to believe it. The more people who are aware of this, the safer Stanley Hilton will be.

JoAnna N (199)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:18 am
I have heard this before, it comes up every so often being that I live in NY.
In the end the guilty will suffer. And the innocent will unfortunately go down with the rest as history has proved, time after time.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:26 am
Thank you again, Carole... Truth is beautiful, my friends... though the revelations, both internally and externally, that it brings is horrifying to those who love.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:38 am

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:45 am
Sheesh... my manners are horrid as well... thank you Michael so much for bringing this further forward

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:52 am

What makes this story unique is the person who confirmed it:

"Keep in mind when reading this, that the man being interviewed is no two-bit internet conspiracy buff.

Stanley Hilton was a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole (R) and has personally known Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz for decades. This courageous man has risked his professional reputation, and possibly his life, to get this information out to people."

Sometimes "conspiracy theories" are true.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:03 am
I agree Carole ... a lot of the time they are true... it is important to note that in the world of truth and those who report it, the truth comes out but watered down many times ... simply because of the fear of being labeled insane. so as we dig deeper we find that often the actuality is more shocking than first reported... and so it goes...

Hans L (958)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:04 am
I think that there has been more than enough proof before and there could have been a case long before Stanley has told the truth...the entire 9/11 swindle has been just to can you highjack that many planes...that can only happen if the FBI, the CIA and the US Government as a whole want that to happen! First time i have heared about the 911 conspiracy i could not believe that the US government could have anything to do with we have to face the fact that they have managed this?
Waht the hell is going on on this planet! But if the Koran would be the reason for 9/11 many more even much larger attacks would have happened since than for the USA cannot be protected against real terror thats why its quit genious to create artificial terrorism that you can control!
Real terrorists would have been able to kill millions of people in the USA!
Since the USSR is is history you can buy anything you like! And you just need a few pounds of the right stuff to kill milions of people!

Barry Seth (118)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:05 am
Thanks Michael

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:23 am
Well... my thought on the whole matter of this MATRIX is that we never were sheep... just sedated Lions and now the sedative of false security injected by the tyrannical elite is wearing off.

sheep wake to be sheep but lions .... They wake to do inventory

Elle J (276)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:37 am
I read this story yesterday and with each passing day, more and more evidence shows up to prove this was planned and carried out by our own government. Personally, I think Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld, Rice and Wolfowitz should face the consequences of their actions.There are too many pieces of the puzzle that have come to light not to believe Stanley Hilton. I think it will take an all out revolution of "We the People" to get America back to what it once was and believe me it cannot be done in 2 presidential terms. It will take many. Our consitution has been decimated by the Bush Bunch and our civil rights have been trampled.This administration is the worst thing to ever happen to this country.We have to stop what is going on and to quote Ben O.."IF NOT NOW, WHEN?"

Sandra M Z (114)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:47 am
"SH: My closing comments would be, I think people ought to just think about the consequence of having someone like Bush in the White House and the danger for the future that these sorts of individuals pose. This is not just a historical event of the past. This is part of the plan and the camera is still rolling. They have an agenda. These individuals are extremely dangerous. They are armed and dangerous. They pose a clear and dangerous threat to every freedom-loving person not only American but in the whole world.

AJ: You are absolutely right Stanley Hilton. They have captured the government. They have not captured the peoples’ minds and they are counting on us not facing up to it."
Sarah, I hope I am a lion, I feel somewhat lionish, but there is so much to fight against!, it will take being one to survive! I hope we all are becoming lions, and more people wake up very quickly.
Great comments Hans, Sarah, all. Another great post Michael thanks, and thanks "C" for sending out another important story.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:24 am
I agree Sandra... the camera is still rolling and now we , as a "People" must take responsibility. You see, all over the world there are victims and spectators of the atrocities perpetrated by these individuals and these same witnesses have heard our proclamations of freedom and democracy used by these criminals to aid them in their goals. Now "We The People"have to put forth to the world our broken hearts and hold our own accountability up in sincerity. We all are one people across the world and we have to heal these wounds, not just lay off responsibility on a few.

The boys and girls who want to play their games of hatred and separation are free to leave the sandbox ... but the toys belong to "WeThe People".

Arielle S (313)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:55 am
This confirms what many have suspected for a long time - TY, Michael - will be sharing this one!

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 10:03 am
I believe truth is stranger than fiction. Bush and his cronies are evil enough to do this to the American people and we better keep our eyes open. I cannot even imagine how the families of the victims of 9-11 must feel...horrible injustice continues in our country..Thank you Carole...and Michael for letting us read this ..noted

Blue Bunting (855)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 10:20 am
I'm sick of the ReTHUGniCON$ having "My Pet Goat" in the White Hou$e; let's throw evry Republican out of COngre$$ and the White Hou$e and the State and City legislature$ this November.

Morgan Griffith (225)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 11:30 am
What made me very suspicious from the very beginning is the lack of followup terrorist attacks. If the terrorists had successfully shut down our country for a period of time certainly they would follow up on their success and continue. Why no follow up? Guess George W ran out of ideas. Do we not remember that he stole an election? Since when has that ever happened on a national level? That took some doing in and of itself. These criminals have sold our country down the drain and I don't believe we even have a clue of how far reaching the conspiracy is or how far reaching the effects will be.

Hans L (958)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 11:51 am
Hi Morgan!
I think that the USA is not the only Banarepublic on this planet!
But it is the only country that is killing its own citizens in the way that only Birma can compete even China is more humane than the USA! I guess that
this november will bring more of the matter who will win! Its your pick the next president will do as he is being told! No way that you can change that within the next 10 years maybe in 20-30 years! But i guess the system will deal with all problems...and no matter how they will get rid of can be accidents attacks the weather or even simple KZ like in Nazi Germany and basically in Guantanamo!

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 12:12 pm
Tnx for posting Michael.
Another 9/11 story to make people aware of what is actually happening in this world

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 12:14 pm

If you are as outraged AS YOU WELL SHOULD BE, please sign the following petition:

Petition To The Office of The High Commissioner For Human Rights

Blacktiger P (247)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 12:23 pm
I think most people have the knowledge that the world population is too much for the "governments" to cope with. They,[the Dark side Govt.] have decided to get rid of the humanity that are the Albatross's around their neck. The famines and displaced populations around the world are that Albatross.Two thirds of the present world population must be gone, so if you can't contribute you are useless. The lack of medicine, food, shelter, a job supporting individual and family [tax payer].

So until the masses understand that the Governments only want the taxpayers, then and only then can we have the fortitude to put an end to the slow death of billions of people.

Putting the "Old Guard" back in power in November will just be the death of the Albatross.

So on election day press the button that says "other", or punch the hole beside "other" and show the Old Guard" they are FIRED!!!!

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 12:23 pm
Signed... Thank you, Carole

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 12:28 pm

I will share part of an email I just sent to one of my friends here, because I think it is indicative of what most of us are feeling:

"When 9-11 happened, I was in shock. And when stories started surfacing that it was an inside job, I didn't want to believe it. Over the last year or so, however, the more I read, the more convinced I became that it was true.

Even though I honestly believed this government did it to our own citizens, when I read this article, I was deeply saddened to have it confirmed.

Like you, I feel an overwhelming combination of so many emotions: rage / sorrow / betrayal / hopelessness / disgust!"

Jim P (3257)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 1:12 pm
I have always believed in a conspiracy theory. Shortly after the twin towers fell, weeks later, I felt that certain people in the far-right wing of the puke party knew exactly what was going on. They, the insiders, had deliberately set-up the twin towers to get a "war" started on false pretexts.

There were just too many "holes"...

Please sign the petition: LINK:

TY, Michael.

Blacktiger P (247)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 1:13 pm
Take "hopelessness" out of the equation as that is the "rock" that "they" are building on. As I said before, "fire them literally" Exercise your Voting Power and VOTE for OTHER.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 1:18 pm

Thanks, Margo.

You are absolutely right. We may feel that, but must only let it be temporary.


Evelyn Z (300)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 1:20 pm
Thanks Michael & Carole

Carolyn T (234)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 2:12 pm
Noted. There is even a plan for dealing with 'We The People' when the horrible truth of 911 is revealed and there can no longer be any shadow of a doubt among the majority of Americans. When we get to the point of reviling these treasonous mass murderers and do insist upon removing them from office and bringing them to trial, martial law will be declared. Believe it. Thank you, Michael, for continuing to post stories that make us think deeply and look at that which we do not want to see.

Carolyn T (234)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 2:15 pm
I am remiss in not having acknowledgedCarole, who devotes countless hours to supporting and advancing truth and advocates for a multitude of causes. Her selfless emails that call attention to the stories posted by others speaks for her integrity. So, thanks to you, are one impressive human being!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 2:55 pm

Thank you, Carolyn . . . but I can't stop crying.

I know now that it's true, and I must accept it -- but it is so sad.

Still, the part of me who is proud to be what is supposed to be American, makes me tell everyone else.

I love the brave people, like Michael, who take the truth and run with it; and I am honored to be a friend of him -- and you!

Darlene K (356)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 3:07 pm
Just wondering, why did you repost a 3 1/2 year old interview you had with Stanely Hilton September 10th, 2004?

This was in the comments. I wonder where this all is now. This interview is over 3 years old. Noted.

Marcy S (73)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 3:19 pm
Here's another person not afraid to tell the truth, the truth is making it's way through all the road blocks they have put in place to stop it. The governments official story of 911 is the real conspiracy theory. The evidence that Bush and his nazi crew were responsible for 911 is overwhelming. Cheers to Stanley Hilton, this should wake some more people up who thought the government is here to protect them! Who would have thought that the US government planned to kill their own people??? WELL IT'S TRUE FOLKS, WAKE UP AND SPREAD THE WORD CUZ NAZI GERMANY IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 3:28 pm

Thank you, Marcy.

Even if a 3-1/2 year old story is just making its way to the public. The important fact is that . . .


Considering the deplorable state of this country, REJOICE in the fact that at least SOME truth is being revealed.

Or was the point, "neener, neener, neener . . . I knew it first?"


MANY PEOPLE -- myself included, did not know this.


Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 3:35 pm
updates and old links I meant.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 3:36 pm
It think its great the story has been picked up again and more people are finding out about it. Kudos to anyone that helped get this out there. It is good to know the dates of it though, so people can keep up with it. Infowars should have posted some updatesm and old links I think.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 3:42 pm
The orginal source found on this article has just picked the story up, hence the 2008 date. I keep posting the links to the audio, but it keeps unposting itself. Just type in Alex Jones Stanley Hilton interview into a search engine and the audio can be found. If you look at Stanley Hilton's wikipedia page updates on the lawsuit can be found.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 3:45 pm
Thank you John Michael :)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 3:47 pm

Yeah, WOW!

I only saw Darlene's note regarding this . . . nothing from J-M previously.

Dawna Raven Sky Zimbalist (261)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 3:54 pm
i lived in europe at the time of its occurence, everyone around me then knew it was staged... sad.... thanks for reiniforcing the truth.

Marian E (152)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 3:57 pm
Dar D. This was a reprint of an earlier interview.

"The case was dismissed on Dec. 30, 2004, the judge ruling that US citizens do not have any right to sue a sitting President, based on the Doctrine of Sovereign Immunity; that the lawsuit "presents a non-justiciable political question;" that the plaintiffs "lack standing to sue on behalf of all taxpayers;" that the plaintiffs "failed to establish the required causal connection between [their] alleged injuries and these defendants' conduct;" and that "deficiencies of the complaint could not be cured by amendment."

Regardless of the age of the interview, I believe that Stanley had enough actual evidence that the case ought to be refiled after this Administration leaves office.

Thank you Michael.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 3:57 pm
Yeah it kept going away. I wasn't being mean or anything, I was just posting the links to the audio, and updates, and noting that it was from 2004 so people don't get confused, it confused me at first too. I thought there was some new development in the story.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 3:58 pm
It is very good for people to know that credible people like this are on board with the 9/11 truth movement. Here is a great website that has lists of hundreds of such people...

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 3:59 pm


Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 4:01 pm
geez... I mean..

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 4:05 pm

Look, the only thing that matters to me is that people know!

I happen to be the person who gave this story to Michael, because I trust him to make it known -- and I have no real interest in publishing the news.


No matter how old it is, it has had a profound effect on me -- and others -- because we were probably hoping we were wrong, but now, can't deny it.

I pray that this gets spread, and more people see how ruthless this government is. The fact that it was there for 3-1/2 years, is even more proof of how oppressive this government has been in suppressing news the public needs to know.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 4:08 pm

And, J-M, PULEEZ -- publicize this AGAIN at!


Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 4:16 pm
I'm all about having people know these facts Carole, you know that.
For research purposes it helps to know timelines on these things though. And what you say about goverment suppressing news is a very good point.
Like I said, I think its great the story has been picked up again and more people are finding out about it. Kudos to anyone that helped get this out there. On that note, the audio might not have been posted to care2 before, if anyone feels like checking, I don't have time right now...


Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 4:18 pm
I'll throw something up on the site Carole, prolly just this story with the realted audio and what not when I get back to the house.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 4:18 pm

Bless you, J-M!


Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 4:21 pm
I have no fear. They will not triumph. The only thing left that they can count on is people's fear...and if that ends, it will be the first step to their defeat. To me--they have already failed, for the truth is coming out and there are many people who are waking up to the lies.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 4:31 pm

So true, Emily.

If we know the truth, you can see the anger!

. (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 4:31 pm
Just C. I know how you do feel for I feel it too. I'm a 58 years young lol!!! but with hot tears running down my face that I can hardley breath. I was borned and raised to be proud of who you are and where you live, This place was America. I still love her but facts are facts, when its staring you in the face. Like Black Tiger says vote other and let We The People take back our County oust them all. noted with a lot of sadness. Thank Just C and yes you too my friend Micheal.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 4:35 pm

I know, but I'm holding you (and feeling your pain).

Then, we will let go -- AND FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY BACK!

I'm sad, but I'm also SICK OF THIS!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 4:40 pm

I am so proud to know so many "real patriots."

Thanks to all of you for your bravery.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 4:51 pm
A reminder to all my friends... remember to question all media, especially those stories of barricaded individuals, accusations of treason and terrorism.... stand up and question these things. If the story is local to you, then make a strong physical presence in peace and record the events, if possible. Don't fear anything but complacency... bless you all!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 4:54 pm


(But, in reality, I question ALL mainstream media -- and only trust those sources repressed -- in particular, onea suppressed for 3-1/2 years.)

Even as a kid, I heard that certain things were not printed "for the good of the people and the protection of the country's security."

Didn't make sense then -- and sounds like propaganda now.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 5:01 pm
I speak of coming events ... it will be done in waves and as quietly as possible unless it is forced by some other event... the public saved Randy weaver at ruby ridge though wife and children were killed ... trust nothing and remember that they will tell any lie about an individual to repulse the public... I have to cook and make ready for tomorrow... thanks all


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 5:05 pm

More truth, Sarah.

If this story has proven nothing else -- it's that this government will repress reality abd truth, and promote lies, wherever it will be to the interests of their political "owners."


Marian E (152)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 5:11 pm

Michael, green star with my thanks. Carole and JohnMichael, you'll have to accept my thanks with an I.O.U.!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 5:20 pm

Thanks, Marian.

(((HUGE HUG)))


Todd R (45)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 6:06 pm
I don't know what I could say that all of you above haven't except, Noted and they will not get by with this!!

Gorilly Girl (339)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 6:16 pm
Question from the dummy here...How come this hasnt been on the news??? How come no action against this yet....Why doenst someone act upon this..For it is truley awful. I know these questions are gonna make me look ignorant...LOL

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 6:39 pm

Hey, Gorilly . . .

I just found out that this info was available 3-1/2 years ago -- but did not know til yesterday!


What ELSE has been withheld from the public????


Michael Sandstrom (306)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 6:43 pm
I agree with Stephanie.. How did they keep this "old news" secret? Many thank to Carol for finding this, another True Patriot and thanks to all for the comments.
The question is, what are we going to do about it?? I'd LOVE to vote for other but I know they would vote for theirselves and win by one vote (yuck)
Hope I do not end up in jail or worse around July the 12th......
The Beatles "Say you want a revolution???"
And to think Free Press WAS SUPPOSED to LET us know when the Government was "over stepping their bounds", please pass the towel over here, and then the gun?????? I HOPE it does not come to that but we know from history a tyrant/king has NEVER stepped down peacefully. I was SOOOOOO proud of Russia that they DID NOT shoot their own citizens when they tore down the wall!! And, here we are trying to build a wall??? Creating wars and enemies. This is NOT the America I used to know.. I think if we ALL held hands and walked to the front door and asked them to leave, they would have to... BUT it will take ALL of us. I have already asked them to leave, they will not listen to me and, I think I have turned into a Ron Paul fan, the Democrats and Republicans hate him, this must mean he is at least a good person..... Time will tell
Back in 1970 when I joined the Army I THOUGHT I was doing my Patriotic Duty, I was wrong, now, I MUST DO MY PATRIOTIC DUTY for real! Will you join me???

Gorilly Girl (339)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 6:43 pm
Kinda makes me wonder about our boming here now...Was there more to it than just Mcveigh...Hummmmmmmmmmmm

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 6:44 pm

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 6:47 pm
Stephanie... the current events prior to , during and after each major event in our history and you will see the patterns... the Mainstream Media is not in place to inform you... it is in place to sedate you.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 6:47 pm
phhht... study these events... this machine omits half of what I type... it couldn't be me

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 6:50 pm

I'm with you, Michael! (Now, more than ever!)

Hell, I thought I was awake . . . only to discover even *I* was in a coma! (media induced)

Lack of news is the same thing. (Which, if you'll notice, is the first thing fascists do -- REMOVE KNOWLEDGE!)

Gorilly Girl (339)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 6:51 pm
our bombing...not boming...LOL

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 6:53 pm


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 6:54 pm

"Politically correct" = "Politically gagged"

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:12 pm

Michael, is your site ready for those who want to read (and comment on) truth?

I know I'm ready for an uncensored site, where I can both read/and comment on things I'm concerned about, sponsored by someone I trust.

J-M has a site:, but I'm not sure it's set up for user input.

Michael Sandstrom (306)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:18 pm
AMEN, trust me friends, our Supreme Being is with us, and I think he/she is showing us the way, the door is opening, now (gulp) we must enter, if this be my purpose on earth, so be it......
Yea though I walk throgh the valley of this Administration, I fear no evil, my friends and my Supreme Being are with me, If they be with me, who can be against us?

"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours. love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place..."

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:19 pm

I'd rather walk through the valley than sleep through the closing of portals.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:23 pm

Your choices are quickly evaporating.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:25 pm

Think about it: Is a "death song" sung in the pursuit of freedom sweeter than one strangled from your throat while in a coma?

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:28 pm

Do not continue to be deluded into thinking you are free. Freedom to watch cable television, and chat on a "user friendly" social site does not equate to news undelivered and constitutional rights removed while chatting about their diversions, manufactured to stop you from considering reality.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:31 pm

And three political "puppets," who will basically deliver the same of what we already have -- do NOT CONSTITUTE CHOICE!

Hugh M (75)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:32 pm
I'm sitting here stunned. I had heard the rumours years ago and could see the sense in the American power lords turning a blind eye to an Arab conspiracy to destroy the twin towers. I could even see the sense in the Arabs wanting to destroy such a symbol of financial imperialism. In the end I dismissed it because I didn't want to believe it. I watch in dismay as America lost its rights. Now I believe it and there are two things I am going to have to take seriously for the rest of my life, for the sake of my kids. One is that the phrase 'the new feudalism' that I have been throwing around for several years is real. The second is that your country is the most dangerous in the world and will remain the world's standover man and not its policeman until you stand up and do something about it. I too cry with you Just, in disillusionment at what ought to be the world's best country and what it has come to.

My love to every American who can be true to America's ideals.

Hugh M.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:36 pm

Y -E - S ! ! !

And the biggest favor you can do for anyone you love is educate them.

Yeah, I'm crying -- but my fists are raised!

Darlene K (356)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:38 pm
Please sign this for fighting censorship:
We, the Undersigned, endorse the following petition:

Darlene K (356)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:38 pm
Anyways, I am so frustrated with this 9-11 stuff of 7 years ago. There are BIGGER problems dear friends in Care2, that affect the NOW and the TOMORROW, of mankind. You, me, our kids, and grandkids.

Carole, Bless you Heart...., fight censorship, yeah, ok hun. IF you only knew what you weren't being told for the last 40-50 years....You think you are crying, now? There is no word, for what some people would be doing...., if they knew what our very misguided top intelligence have been deciding for us over these last few decades.....

Nothing is what you see it to be. Nothing. It is All an illusion, and you want to fight censorship?? Hun..., I do feel your passion so much.., but I wish I could show you the "Mind Game."

Bless all of you. I know what you all want. You want TRUTH. I ache so bad, to be able to show you the visions that I am shown....., and I can't......
All I can do is talk talk talk, and put pretty pictures on your hp. But I can't show you, so you won't believe.

I ask the Angels and Guides, Why can't I just be like some of the other spiritualists and go sit on a mountain in peace, until "it" comes? Why am I driven to do this work, and bring truth, when there is so much friction, and they aren't all awaken yet? The Answer. "You will remember." That is it.

I don't know if you all are sensing it, but many of us are..., the vibrations are changing on Earth. So sorry if I am sounding like a fool, but I am trying to say that I feel your passion for what your saying. However, at the same time I feel like they have you watching one hand doing one thing, while the other is totally ready for the smack down.

I don't wish to upset any of you. Michael knows my passion of Light and my Love for all is true. I am no better or no less than any of you. I have only awakened to another consciousness within, which somehow connects us to the "whole." Much Love and Peace...Namaste,Dar

Rhiannon Myst (602)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:40 pm
noted! thanks Michael. hugs, Rhiannon

Wolfweeps Pommawolf (251)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:51 pm
Kudos to Michael, Carole and everyone for spreading the word.
Things have not been right for a very long time here in the so called United Staes. It feels like I'm living in alien country most of the time.
Angry people anymore who don't even unerstand what is going on around them, and they aren't even paying attention, but acting like sheep.
Wake up People!
Put the anger to good use.
Speak up and out for all of the voiceless.
I've been offline as of late trying to catch up on lost sleep due the the longer daylight hours here, and a head cold, but I will be seeing about setting up a discussion board on one of my websites that can be uncensored if so desired. It will take a couple of days to set up, but it can be done....*S*

Jackie H (96)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:52 pm
Thank you Michael. I have read several websites on this. Noted

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:52 pm
Dread K = IQ around noonish

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:53 pm

O.K. Who's gonna flag the "dead" one?

(ALWAYS one!)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:54 pm

Any "Pick Me's!????

I'm sorry, but this is toooooooo funny!

(I didn't even know GW was a member here.)

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:56 pm
lol... I flagged him

Jim P (3257)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 7:59 pm
me too...

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:05 pm

OK, that makes three!


Marcy S (73)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:06 pm
Watch these people who are not afraid to do something.">

Wolfweeps Pommawolf (251)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:16 pm

I felt for a very long time the earth is a changing, and the tuning fork has been rattling my brain pan for quite some time....*S* I tune out and away from here once in awhile to rest the mind from frustration, and seeing so many in pain and suffering. I too often, almost a dozen times a day why people everywhre can't see it, feel it and not know that we are undergoing a change ...the whole planet and her living creatures are changing..
But I also know that a large part of American society are operating thru their lvies daily medicated either on street drugs, prescribed drugs (antidepressants) and alcohol, and just plain daily blinders on then they don't have to deal with it anynore cause it's just too much to handle....too much to take in...I think you know what I'm talking about....*S* Denial is hard to accept even on a good day....*S* It means standing up, tuning in and listening...really listening to the world around us....cause its a rattling louder everyday....*S*
~Namaste~ My dear friends...WE are All One....*S*

Sandra M Z (114)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:18 pm

Wolfweeps Pommawolf (251)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:20 pm
Done deal...*S* Oh lord save me from another bored person with a fizzling brain pan....*BEG*

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:21 pm

Wolfweeps, bless you patriotic heart! I will join any site you open to me!

Sandra, (still laughing at you with your headband on 4/15 . . . but LOVE your heart!

Flag away, folks!

(Sometimes, I LOVE this group.)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:24 pm

Swear to God!

There are times I think of quitting Care2 -- BUT it's you guys that make me think again!

Scott Shaubel (816)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:26 pm

I'll go along with Emily S :)

Thursday May 22, 2008, 4:21 pm
I have no fear. They will not triumph. The only thing left that they can count on is people's fear...and if that ends, it will be the first step to their defeat. To me--they have already failed, for the truth is coming out and there are many people who are waking up to the lies

The Tide has Turned,.. time to crawl out of your invisible boxes.

Fear is only in YOUR mind,.. give it up.

..Support someone who will stand up for your freedom...

.. Ron Paul is ,.. like 78 years old,.

he's not fighting for "HIS" Freedom,,.. think about it..

.. Ron Paul is, .. "Fearless" ..

and so are all the people, who are willing to actually to something

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:26 pm

You are indeed a strong spirit and you realize well that truth is indeed water, we are all thirsty. Give us time, we can take only what we can swallow for this moment... I thank you for the gentle message tonight and I apologize for my course nature in the past with you.

Walk Safely, Dar

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:30 pm

Emily, I'm just getting to know you -- but I'm glad I am.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:32 pm

Marcy, another comrade. Welcome, my new friend!

Scott Shaubel (816)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:45 pm

- Like Freddy Mercury says,..

You're just waiting for the "hammer to fall"

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:45 pm

I'm sorry guys, but I just told a friend this. Although this may be old news, it's something I didn't know. And I am beside myself. I feel the same way I did, as a little girl, crying all the way home when they closed the school the day Kennedy died.

Marcy S (73)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:48 pm
Hey Carole my new friend... it's time to gather together and learn from one another. The truth will set us all free from this grand illusion they have created...

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:48 pm
well, tell me... what are you waiting for?

I mean if you are so enlightened... enough to look down on anyone who does not answer to you in the way you wish, what are you waiting for?... a messiah?... what?


Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:51 pm
Geezus Scott... don't prod me I am tired and in no mood tonight.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 8:54 pm

Please . . .

No animosity.

We need to all band together. Mourning ends, survival is forever.


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:02 pm

Let's do it!

Either sit on your chair and think about it -- OR ACT!

Simple thing? Sign this petition:


I do not want to pay for them and their families for the rest of their lives.



I will be forwarding everything I get. Anyone on my friends list who doesn't like "being bothered," feel free to delete me. (I don't need any friends who don't care what happens to them, and their families, anyway.)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:05 pm

And, if you don't see that this is YOUR LAST CHANCE TO RISE UP -- You DESERVE what they are planning for you!


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:10 pm

DO YOU NOT GET IT???????????



Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:14 pm
carole, are you telling all that we vote for Ron Paul or we lose your friendship... forgive me if I error, if I I am not in error, sorry but I will not vote for anyone this election... I will continue to inform and do my responsibilities as an American Citizen as the situation arises. I too served my country in the military as did my father. I will not be bullied by pseudo- intellect into anything I disagree with.

If it costs me evry friend on Care2 then so be it

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:19 pm

What? Hell no!

And I don't even know where you got that from!

I have a hard enough time sorting out my own mind -- I don't want responsibility for anyone else's.

(Putting on my 3-D glasses to see if maybe my writing is getting deeper than I actually am.)

Oh, Puleez!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:24 pm

Know what?

Right now, I am so f**king disgusted with this administration -- and the lack of anything better to replace it -- and the fact that I've been lied to -- and the fact that I'm listening to Faux News in the background (from my ignorant roommate) -- and the fact that my rights, my children's, my future generation's are all being stolen by "elitists" who have been bought and paid for --


WHERE in the HULL did you come up with that crap???????????

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:26 pm
ya really skeered me gal... I value you deeply

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:26 pm
LOL... I apologize... the conclusion was drawn by the Appearance of the Ron Paul ads and then the following statements you made... thank

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:27 pm




Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:31 pm


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:34 pm

(Deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, breath . . .)


Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:35 pm
I do apologize carole.... lol... really

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:38 pm

And so do I. You are a truly great lady . . . you just caught me off guard at a very bad time.

I am honored to count you as a friend.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:39 pm

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:46 pm


I honestly love your heart. (You're more ethereal than I am, but I like the balance.)

I wouldn't hurt you for the world -- and I would protect you with every last drop of blood in my veins.

Trust that.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 22, 2008, 9:53 pm
trust that the feeling is mutual, Carole... I cannot begin to tell you how my heart stopped when I misunderstood earlier... thank you for the company tonight... I have chance to sleep now while Duane sleeps... take care of you ok... good night all

Marian E (152)
Friday May 23, 2008, 1:05 am

I flagged also, but troll is still there. How many more of us need to flag???!!!

Thanks all.

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday May 23, 2008, 1:21 am
Flagging trolls' profiles is a nuisance; but, SOMEBODY has to do it!
[Down on the lower right-hand corner of the troll's profile page; where it says "flag if inappropriate".]
You know that these pathetic, sick trolls are actually unbelievably un-intelligent persons with so FEW marketable skills, so LITTLE to offer anyone, that they actually -- yes, it's true! -- SELL their services to the Republican National Committee, to go to various sites unfavorable to Repugs all over the Internet, and make inane and slightly annoying remarks. Yes, a Care2 member last year found the Republican National Committee site that actually RECRUITED these types!!!! Beyond belief! Of course, then the Republican National Committee HID their site so no-one could find it!!!
Yes, these pathetic dopes are getting PAID to make idiots of themselves! What a SORRY commentary on Republicans, and on the silly trolls themselves! I guess they do it to "enhance" their already-abysmally-low self-esteem!!!
Trolls like to make nuisances of themselves on weekends and evenings when there is maybe nobody in the office. Their Republican National Committee paymasters must have instructed them about this.

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday May 23, 2008, 1:35 am
Yes, criminal Bush IS THE PRESENT COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF OF TROOPS IN THE FIELD, in case you had forgotten.
I believe we can leave it up to the TROOPS to decide what to do about it, ONCE THE TROOPS ARE TOLD THE TRUTH.

Peace Monger (185)
Friday May 23, 2008, 2:55 am
Thanx Michael for posting this info from 'C'. The truth must continue to be put out there for those who seek knowledge, no matter how old something is!
The world is accepting 9/11 is not what the official US govt. report states; if Americans can be persuaded to look beyond Faux News as well as other controlled media outlets and really open their eyes to the corruption of the govt., those who have been blind to TRUTH will find they are living under a regime which uses fear to control instead of fair and open govt.
I think we all know of people who refuse to open their eyes to truth; it is our responsibility to lead the way and be the light which illuminates!
My thanx to BMutiny for forwarding this important news story to me! :*

Warren Motter (1055)
Friday May 23, 2008, 3:54 am
Have known about this from Day One (9-11-01), by observing how strangely Bush and Rice "reacted" to the events of that day. So, none of this is surprising, to me. Good luck on getting anyone to believe the truth.

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 4:04 am

My dear friend, am following this topic from its beginning..started with certain French journalist. So many materials were published about this topic, starting the same day it happened 8some comments and remarks)!!And truly, sometimes am tired, seeing all injustice happening, seeing such, to normal mind, obvious causes, reasons, motives and consequences of things happening around us. But all untouchable!!!
That is perhaps role of "democracy", giving the people false feeling of freedom and illusion they can impact, but truly can not, because organized capital rules, not countries, not parliaments ( so, our votes are completely insignificant, since states exist only as administrative support to international and local capital, and they support each other as long as their interest demand for it). Sometimes I have feeling that we, ordinary people as individuals, and as part of huge mass of population in this world and we, who have abilities to speak and fight , look as a herd of dogs, barking, but can not bite, since we have no teeth (power and money)!
And mighty idiots are passing by, with their bloody rolex, merzedeses, smiling on us with pity and despite, and throwing us chrunces, just enough so we can contribute to their power in future too..

So..what will be, my friend..The truth will vanish in time (history is written by winners)..and will remain official records..and perhaps remains of your attempts, or mine will be incorporated in some future coffee or bear talks..

History is full of similar events (even we know minor if it!!!)when in an aliby needed this is the best way ! When arrange image yourself as a victim, than you provide all conditions to attack and to convert your attack into selfdefence act.And you covered your acting with legality, and you become untouchable , because in the world of laws ans laws articles reality vanishes (remember Kafka and Process') and stand only what can be proved by laws article at paper. Life on this Earth is not regulated by treatments, agreements, declarations, contracts, laws..but it exist only inside of it!!

Let me ilustrate this with some really small scene from war in Bosnia.
Once, during shelling somebody said sitting in the basement of building, frozen, hungry , frightened to death and dehumanized to extreme limit:" i was told , many have been killed today, was massacre somewhere in town. Of were killed ENOUGH, and was really TERRIBLE, perhaps someone (NATO) will do something."
And lately am thinking that all such happening (not here only, but generally in life a, politics, local as well as global) make much larger impact than it looks at first sight. You know, we are not only thinking beings, but emotional too. And when we start to think that all out honest attempts fail, when we face truth that organized power is hard to beat, that in time we become bitter, cynical, angry, faithless..and could count many other negative feelings..It can generate new attitude, that we choose way to fight injustice the same way injustice hurt us. And than?
We could become the same.
So, let me tell you something personal (never mind, I find anyway my biggest benefit I got here right this nice personal contact)-that my personal struggle is just of this kind.
In my area of life and my small world (but as much as I see it happens all over the world), it is very hard to remain pure in heart, seeing so many injustice unpunished, seeing criminals of all kind walking free and laughing at their victims, seeing nothing really changes, but money machine is turning on, mealing peoples lives and making new order, where moral values changes and lose its sense and purpose. That is why I sometimes sound little cynical, but am doing my best and always remind my mind of one great and so recognizable truth I found in one of Holly books:
"God, thank you for every kind person I met on my life path, but thank you even more for bad ones, for I learned the most from them!!

Our task is only to keep this knowledge as positive! And that is way to wisdom!
Love and peace
Regards Melita

Mary P (177)
Friday May 23, 2008, 4:07 am
DITTO to WolfWeeps...May all see the light sooner than later.... I too have been away but back to help where I can...

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Friday May 23, 2008, 4:16 am

Hans L (958)
Friday May 23, 2008, 4:54 am
when the horrible truth of 911 is revealed and there can no longer be any shadow of a doubt among the majority of Americans.How much more evidence do you need..the reaction of GWB in this school told more than all the evidence..
he did not stand up he did how do you explain that if you hear that many american are there that have not been brain washed by P&G or whoever does that for the government... thank you for all the comments here its great to see that you care about the truth and peace for peace is what you will get if you finally get a real democratic government! I hope that the USA will survive GWB! But i am not sure! I hear that the usa is being sold out right now! Since the cheap dollar is used to
sell all the industries to new investors from all over the world! The destabilisation has worked perfect sind 9/11! I think that they could not have done much better with the complete package of cheap mortgages and expensive oil....causing 50 million poor americans to bite the dust!
I would say that there are enough americans to impeach these gangsters!
What are you waiting for? For Osama Bin Laden to realy bomb the complete government? He will not! So you will have to use your voices and make yourself heared! I wish you good luck in spreading the truth and make people believe it for it realy is f.....unbelievable! Amen!

pete O (242)
Friday May 23, 2008, 6:02 am
Can we get out of Afghanastan then ?

Stephen Hannon (203)
Friday May 23, 2008, 6:06 am
Noted, with thanks. I remember this radio interview with Alex Jones and the San Francisco attorney Stanly Hilton years ago. I was amazed with how much Hilton had found out about 9/11, and I telephoned the Alex Jones show shortly after the interview. Stanly Hilton went to school with Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, and knows them very well. He is actually representing some 450 9/11 families in New York, but his case hasn't moved through the courts as it should have. Someone is blocking him from getting his cases on the docket, and I believe it's the Bush adminstration and the DoJ that is doing the blocking.

I have known about this interview for quite some time, and I posted the link and text to Care2 at least 4 years ago, or longer. I had it saved on my hard drive but my computer got wiped out and I lost all my files, and had to do a fresh install of my operationg system, but this is the first time I have seen this since I posted it. I looked for it, but was unsuccessful in finding it. So I am very pleased that this was posted again.

Almost everything I had saved regarding Bush and his thugs got lost, and when I went back to the original web sites to retreive what I had, I noticed the sites had been changed, and the orginal information I had was not on the site. A big disappoointment to me, but I knew the WH had ordered the site be changed and information removoved that implicated Bush and his thugs.

The real "mastermind" behind 9/11 is Dick Cheney. A day before Bush left for his photo op at the school he appointed Cheney as Commander In Chief, we all know the rest of the story.

Everyone is wondering the reason there were no jet fighters at Andrews Air Force Base and the answer is quite simple. They were out on planned simulations and were actually over Canada doing a simulation of aircraft coming from Russia. Of course there were no aircraft coming from Russia. It was a ruse to keep any jet fighters from reaching New York to do an intercept of flight AA 11 UA 77, UA 93 did not take off from Boston's Logaan airport on that morning. Also the FAA could actually see the blips on the radar screnns, and everything was done in "real time." At one point the FAA asked NORAD if what they were seeing on their screens was a simulation or was it in "real time?" Andrews and McGuire Air Force Bases are minutes from Manhattan, however since the planes were out doing simulations, fighters were scrabled from Ottis Air Force Base in Cape Cod 180 miles from Manhattan. The pilots claimed they were traveling at full blower, but this sin't true, for if they were they still would have arrived in time to shoot down the alleged hijacked planes from Logan Airport. We all saw the footage of the alleged planes hit the twin towers, but did they really? And if they did what happened to them? They simply vanished into thin air, and no parts of any planes were found in the aftermath of the alleged crashes, yet a passport belonging to Mohmmad Atta was found in perfect condition 4 blocks away from the south tower. How could a passport that was allegedly in the inside of his jacket pocket, fly out his pocket to land in perfect condition (not even a speck of dust was found on the passport), how could this be? Yet there are still many Amreicans who believe this story from the FBI. I don't and not ever have believed this incredible event. The passport was obviously planted where it could be found quite easily. This is not a theory, for I don't believe in theories, or the type of consiracies that have been going round since 9/11 '01. Believe what you will, but I believe it was an inside job, for many reasons, far too many to write here. We may never really know what happened on that day just like we may never really know who killed Jack and Robert Kennedy....

Hans L (958)
Friday May 23, 2008, 6:21 am
What does it take to impeach Bush and his friends?
Do you we have to wait for world war III?
I cannot believe how all these informations and obviously
even evidence can be isufficient to impeach the gangsters
who did this and send them to Guantanamo for the rest of
their live guarded by some honest moslims who have been there!
It would be great to see a clean up in the whithouse before the
elections! Maybe even a small revolution? How many people does it
take to tell all the troops about this? I am sure that they will
love to hear what the hell they are fighting for....and especiall
for whom! Mr Nazi Bush is no better than Sadam Husein has been or
Hitler or Idi Amin or all the other dictators!

Faith M (161)
Friday May 23, 2008, 6:34 am
all voices here but one sing a wonderful song -Keep singing!!! To the one in disharmony Dead K- It is with glad heart I say --May the Blessing bestowed from you return to you!

Faith M (161)
Friday May 23, 2008, 6:36 am
Oh sorry -I meant the word Blessing to appear this way "Blessing?"

Maria Cristina A (119)
Friday May 23, 2008, 7:08 am
Noted. TY Michael, whoo brought it here, and Just C for giving me the heads up.
I wondered when something like this was going to show up publically...

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 7:14 am
Dear Maria, its been shown all the time,directly or indirectly, from the very first day when this trgedy occured..
It is about people - are they willing to listen and to react..and not to behave as ostrich..And this is nothing new, that is an old method, as I wrote in comment above.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday May 23, 2008, 7:44 am

Just woke up . . . and first thing on my mind?

This information has existed for 3.5 years and Bush is still talking about 9-11 as a terrorist attack (just yesterday) -- and the media (who had to know about it) STIFLED ITS RELEASE!

I mean, I'm not naive, and I'm aware that some things are purposely given less coverage -- but something this important was not even mentioned???? (Still in shock.)

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 7:48 am
Jet fuel thats a good one... i like that joke!
Just sad that this is the truth the whole truth and nothing but
the truth!
How do you get rid of this scum? Impeach them or just start a revolution with the help of the poor soldiers who think they are fighting for their country!
Nazi Bush should come to Europe Visit The Hague and get the same Presidential suite like Milosevitch had! For at least as long as he kept innocent moslims this sun of a bitch!

Laurie T (30)
Friday May 23, 2008, 8:01 am
Sits here eatting foie gras LMAO

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 8:13 am
What the fuck has the animal abuse of eating foie gras to do with this post?
I assume that you have some kind of mental desease from eating to much of that stuff! Or do i miss some post that have been deleted?

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 8:35 am
Well we all know Italy got rid of their dictator ... all by their lonesome.

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 8:42 am
Sounds incredible! But i knew all from the start that this was fishy! The terrorist had been presented much to fast to be true...i hope that America
will realy get rid of these criminals! The international court in the Hague is the only place where these mass murders can get what they deserve!
Impeach them punish them! Let this nitemare for the american citizens end!
And let all Bush friends who have made a fortune since 9.11.o1 pay all the victoms! That is the least they can do! Halliburton & CO must be thankful for this president! His time has come now if the members who read this spread this message and the news starts spreading it will soon be high noon for good old GWB!

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 8:48 am
That is Key Johann... that this is spread world wide, and with this truth, the truth that Americans are heart broken over the sufferings brought about by the Bush administration around the world... war is not the only tool these people use... starvation is another... destabilization of governments is another... help us inform the world


Faith M (161)
Friday May 23, 2008, 8:52 am
How about we copy and paste- then print this stuff on 9/11 and post it everywhere? -I like that Idea- I think I shall-Lets do what the media has failed to do- inform I mean are we Millions of people here or not? You wish to inform the troops -inform their families all across America,download to disk so that a copy remains and print-then scatter them everywhere.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday May 23, 2008, 8:58 am

That's a good idea, Faith! I did a blog on it yesterday, and I'm not going to replace it with anything else for awhile. In fact, I may copy and repaste it on a daily basis. Wouldn't it be cool to see lots of people do that?

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 8:58 am
Make no mistake friends... the troops know... those deployed know days after they arrive and those stateside know as well. Try to understand what the penalty can be for disobedience under fire. and that once engaged in a conflict it is survival... no one wants to die. These men are not fighting for America... they are fighting for one another... it simplifies quickly in combat... no thoughts of anything but the person beside you.

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 9:08 am
I must ask something, if anybody able to answer
I’m curious as to when this interview took place. Was it 2004? If so, why are we only hearing it now and why is it being presented as if it occurred yesterday? Was this just republished by the Pakistan Daily yesterday?
What is Stanley Hilton doing now if this interview occurred so long ago?
Please clarify Alex Jones or Paul Joseph Watson.

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 9:11 am
Because our government controlled media will not allow such things to be made public we have an underground media that brings truth to light

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 9:19 am
One of many sites which published this in 2004!!

Why is now so spectacular to speak about republished interview. And about complete problem about which even birds know everything.

Election closing?
Bush is to drop dead?

Poor Bush! Really poor! He will take all the consequences of everything and for everybody. Perhaps this was his role from very first moment.

Is for everything really only him to blame??

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 9:29 am
Cebellica... enjoy yourself ... strange that you think this is a Problem of the United States only... your country's day is coming again soon ... trust it. as for accountability... the pain is that all american are responsible and at this point in time... there is nothing we can do politically to stop it... Our government has passed laws that define anyone who opposes it as a terrorist and enemy of the United states... including you and your comments... ok... done with this dialog

Michael Sandstrom (306)
Friday May 23, 2008, 11:48 am
Thank you all (minus the trolls). There is but one way to obtain world peace, We the People of the World MUST come together has ONE. The elite criminal leaders MUST fall. This includes our soldiers for our soldiers are also family and have been lied to. Mutiny has ir right, we all must be on the same side, our Governments are using our own brothers, sister, sons and daughters against us! Talk to your family members if they are in the military. My sons did not go there, (Thank God) but if they would have, I would tell them they are fighting the wrong people. I think many predictions have been made about this, WWIII?? Is now the time? There is fighting all around the world, is WWIII here now? Are we all to be soldiers? I think we are, you might refuse it but, you/I are part of it. Remember, those in power are ONLY there because we allow and accept it. Without us, they are nothing. All of us here making comments etc are not even enough BUT, we are a start. If each one of us tells 2 of our friends and if they tell 2 of their friends, well, you can see the "ripple" effect. I remember reading a statement one time, it said and I quote; "If you think you are important or that your job or the world could not go on without you, get a 5 gallon bucket of water, now, get an eye dropper, then remove one drop of water, did the level of the water go down?" However, if we "remove" millions of drops, that WILL make change. I am 1 drop of water in a bucket but I am willing to join with other drops of water if they would like? Then We the People CAN MAKE CHANGE. I will say it again, without us, and, OUR families in the Military (who are also us, some may not know that?) these leaders are but a single drop of water. Let us hold hands and drain their buckets, let us remove ourselves from this "bucket" and fill a new, clean, un-tarnished bucket and become one, let these crooks "evaporate" into thin air....

I am running away for a couple of days to my "mother" in the mountains and meditate. Please have a great weekend and will be back Monday or Tuesday. Maybe my Supreme Being will show me some divine ideas??
Peace and love to all my brothers and sisters......... You are in my heart, we are one...... Amen.....

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 11:51 am
Thank you Michael and well spoken ... enjoy your meditation!

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 12:01 pm
To Sarah. I dont understand a comment regarding UN. Did you mix me with somebody?
I did not mention UN , as much as I see, and am looking..looking..:-(

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday May 23, 2008, 12:05 pm

Excellent, Michael! Please enjoy your break from all this insanity and be sure to share any "revelations" that may come to you once you have returned.

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 12:13 pm
No Cabelica , I was stating that this problem is a world problem and not just a U.S problem

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 12:25 pm
Ok, I see, thanks.

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 12:30 pm
You see... you have the impression that Americans are free... we are not free... we are told only what our corporate owned government wants us to know... we are waking up now and we are both agry at government and broken hearted over all that it does to destroy life around the world... understand?

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 12:39 pm
Contrary my dear, I have written a lot about "democracy" in modern world, and about freedom, real one and false much that even do not remember where..all over the net..And I know perfectly well that from freedom we all have on paper to its realization is long way, sometimes dead end road too.
Also wrote a lot about who truly rules countries (including USA)..

All about image and media mind managing..

have a nice weekend Sarah..let us meditate as Michael..water will flow on, and money float too..always.. forever..

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 12:42 pm
I have a question to Cebelica...wha is the thing that you speak of with the UN stuff?

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 12:44 pm
Great... I am happy to see you are informed about the real rulers of the world... you meditate and I'll have a few shots of bourbon

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 12:51 pm
Bon pour tu voir ici, Amandine


Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 12:58 pm
May I change my mind, and join you ? Have some extra glass?..Meditating under bourbon influence can be great and..veeeeeeeeery spiritual and Good night ..Thanks for nice talk..well, not at proper place (comments), but ok..

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 12:58 pm
Merci de penser à moi ne fais que te suivre afin d'être avec toi

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 12:58 pm
To Amandine..dear, just my mistake..after 12 hours in front computer
Bon nuit mon amie..

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 1:32 pm
Tiens voilà du boudin,tiens voilà du boudin...pour les Belges y'en a plus, pour les Belge y'en a plus...ce sont les tireurs au cul :)

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 1:41 pm
I think I shoul write in english instead of writting french war songs...i advice you to not use the wordbook...
what I want to tell in this subject is we are governed by banks and all that turns around health...they do blackmail to us and scare us with it makes a general fear...we make a general fear...and finally they get what they want...when you scare horses they run in all the ways and arent able to think anymore...and with media and news...this is what is happening...I think...I am curious to know your point of view on it...I think Bush and all the other powerful politicians got and gets us this way

Hans L (958)
Friday May 23, 2008, 1:45 pm
Thanks Michael this should open some eyes..but blind men cannot see!
How do the US Media deal with this kind of information?
Has this ever been in the media as a conspiracy against Bush?

Past Member (0)
Friday May 23, 2008, 1:53 pm
sorry for the blanc pc made it...
I was about to hide whatever the gov wants...the governement pays people to read the press and call to ask they dont speak of a subject of is easy

Chiara G (182)
Friday May 23, 2008, 2:21 pm
Thank you. We need to know those awful trues.

Faith M (161)
Friday May 23, 2008, 3:26 pm
Michael -Dear friend Blessings to you-may lifes joy fill and renew your spirit.Enjoy!

Darlene K (356)
Friday May 23, 2008, 10:44 pm
Okay.., well Love is what will save Mankind, so I will take the good advice I read and thank you. I will have to be one of the meditating, and go buy me a case of beeswax candles. Much Love and Peace..Namaste, Dar


Mara G (411)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 12:54 am
This will be scoffed by the general public as conspiracy theory and Bush will create another War to save public faith. I believe it's coming and there's no stopping it, less a military coup. Thanks Michael

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 12:56 am
Love can be the only way to win peace!!

Wolfweeps Pommawolf (251)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 7:05 am


There is a little white lie...that we call history.

It appears that as a nation, the United States government has never considered the original people of the continent of North America to be among "all men" mentioned in the following portion of the Declaration of Independence:-

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- that to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever Any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government."
~~ The U.S. Declaration of Independence ~~

As our government continues to try to go to war against the wishes of ever-growing opposition all over the world, I ask you to consider the recommendations listed in this post to educate yourself about Native American Indian cultures. I believe that the United States government has become addicted to war and it started a very long time ago!

It is through awareness and understanding that humanity can purify the individual and collective hearts and minds, necessary components to bring about peace on this planet. The great purification spoken about in Native American prophecy can be as kind and gentle as humanity wishes it to be. We can either wake up and do the internal work on ourselves, manifesting peace...or continue harboring the fear and anger, manifesting war. It's as simple as that...and it's our choice! It is our actions (or lack of them) that are determining this very minute the type of world in which we CHOOSE to live.

Mankind cannot become healthy unless there is the realization that we're ill and, as a species, we are very, very sick...having spread the cancers of fear and anger rhat we carry within our collective conscious, manifesting these diseases in our outer world for all to see. Our outer world is but a mirror of our inner world. And, we are a world of pretenders, a great majority ignoring the pain brought about by unjustness in the world in which we live. Most often, we deal with what we see and hear through apathy and anesthetizing ourselves with our addictions.
Perhaps the time has come to silence the drums of wars raging within by diligently working on ourselves. Peace within is the only path to peace without. The vibrations of war enslave not only individual souls but the collective soul of humanity as well.

The following information is being highly recommended to the masses on this planet, especially here in North America. If we can begin to see how our government has treated the original people, those we often call Native Americans, perhaps we can see how prevalent the divide-and-conquer mentality has been since the first moment that colonists set foot on this continent already inhabited by millions of people. Most of these videos will not bring about a warm, fuzzy feeling, but having one's story told and being heard is part of the healing process. Please consider educating yourself and your family and friends, especially the children, so that the big fat lie that became the little white lie we call history can be corrected. Even if it isn't pretty, we should start telling the truth.

Those of us who work for peace care deeply about Mother Earth and what kind of world we are creating for all children, for people of all cultures. Knowledge continues to be power, but let's no longer choose "power-over" in our ways of dealing with people and countries, but power used in a wise way for the greater good of all of life, including the planet herself.

This is the time of a great awakening by humanity, but we must not just wake up if we wish to effect positive change in the world, we must get out of bed!!! We have unlimited opportunities to educate ourselves about what's really happening in the world and be a voice for peace. We can also make ourselves aware of real history that never made it into our history books. And, once we become aware, we might start to wonder just what the agenda really is on our planet by those who continue to enslave the spirit of humanity through the vibrations of fear brought about by war and oppression. There seems to be a constant need to feed the beast of oppression to make a few people rich and comfortable.

Here's one last bit of food for thought. The masses have always been controlled through fear, and what better way to continue the vibrations of fear than through war? It is serving the agenda of the divide-and-conquer "powers that be" (in their minds) to make the prophecies concerning what has been called the "end times" come true. And, we should remember that war is a BUSINESS. How does one justify feeding the beast, if there is no war?

If humanity removes the "sheeple" robe it has so comfortably worn and becomes part of "we the people" instead of "we the sheeple", we can manifest peace instead of war. It is OUR CHOICE and this IS OUR COUNTRY...ISN'T IT?...ALL OF US!!!!

Let's not let the U.S. government mantra of "broken treaties, broken spirits" spread any further into the global scene than it already has!

The time of separation is over...the time of oneness, of knowing the connectedness of everything, is here. Please consider viewing the following to give even a small glimpse of the history that never made it into the history books because the little white lies did instead.

When we start to unpeel the onion of truth, we will realize that this is only the beginning. Be prepared to have this onion of truth make you cry. Part of the tears will come because of the realization of how we have allowed ourselves to be duped by the illusions that have passed (and continue to pass) for truth for so long!

Peace & Activism Pages - For Inner Peace & Global Peace

Become aware and take action to help bring peace, harmony and happiness to your fellow humans, yourself and the world in general. Peace Pages is dedicated to global and personal harmony, respect for Mother Earth, fellow human beings and all of life. We all live on this planet together - the plants and trees, the ocean and the atmosphere, human beings and all living creatures. We are all part of creation.

The problems we face today can appear too overwhelming for just one person to make any difference, but it is with the individual that changes begin. We can all make a difference, however small our contribution. We can recycle, buy green, petition, lobby governments, volunteer, show kindness to a stranger, or just send love to a friend. There are an infinite number of ways.

I invite you to become part of the ever-growing consciousness and efforts to achieve peace and harmony on Earth, with respect for all of nature and all of life.

This web-site, and especially this section, is my contribution. Please take time to read the inspirations that this section offers, as well as browsing through the links to many sites where you can make a difference. It is my hope that you will find something here that will motivate you to contribute something of yourself towards making the world a better place to live in.

This section offers links to articles, sayings, quotes and prayers to help remind us of our capacity to make a difference, starting with ourselves. It is firstly very important to become aware of what's really going on in the world. Knowledge is power. What goes on in our lives and in the world generally, is a reflection of our thoughts and beliefs on both an individual level and on a collective consciousness level. In order to change the world around us, we must begin from within, by gaining knowledge and by changing our thoughts to love, peace, forgiveness, gratitude.

Wisdom Quotes about War and Peace

A collection of inspirational wisdom, sayings and quotes on the subject of war and peace.

War is allowed to exist because in general, people allow themselves to be controlled, and fear standing up to self-serving rulers. People also have tendency to give their power away to governments and expect them to do all their thinking for them.

Rulers are in power because of the people they purport to look after, however, if they don't do the job they are meant to do, then it is up to each individual to take action. We are all responsible for the world we live in, and lack of action and participation will serve to have our rights stripped away from us, little by little. Take for example these two chilling statements by two of the most notorious war criminals:

"Naturally, the common people don't want war......., but after all it is the
leaders of a country who determine the policy, and its always a simple
matter to drag the people along whether its a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship...... voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works the same in every country."

~ Hermann Goering ~
during the course of the Nuremberg Trials after World War II
Published in the book "Nuremberg Diary" by Gustave M Gilbert

(hmmmmm....... sounding familiar????)

"How fortunate for governments
that the people they administer don't think."

~ Adolf Hitler ~

We all need to be ever vigilent, and keep an ear and eye open, and each of us do our part in keeping peace in the world.

When the power of love
overcomes the love of power,
the world will know peace.

~ Jimi Hendrix ~

Our lives begin to end
the minute we become silent
about things that matter.

~ Martin Luther King ~

The worst sin towards our fellow creatures
is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them.
That's the essence of humanity.

~ George Bernard Shaw ~

The ultimate measure of a man
is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience,
but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

~ Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968) ~

"To put the world in order, we must first put the nation in order;
to put the nation in order, we must put the family in order;
to put the family in order, we must cultivate our personal life;
and to cultivate our personal life, we must first set our hearts right.

~ Confucius ~

He that will not reason is a bigot,
He that cannot reason is a fool,
He that dares not reason is a slave.

~ William Drummond ~

You must be the change
you want to see
in the world.

~ Mahatma Gandhi ~

You need only reflect
that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation
as a dangerous citizen these days
is to go about repeating the very phrases
which our founding fathers used
in the struggle for independence.

~ Charles A Beard, American Historian (1874-1949) ~

A man who stands for nothing
will fall for anything!

~ Malcolm X ~

Each time a person stands up for an ideal,
or acts to improve the lot of others,
or strikes out against injustice,
he or she sends forth a tiny ripple of hope.
Crossing each other from a million different centres of energy and daring,
those ripples build a current that can sweep down
the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.

~ Robert F Kennedy ~

If there is light in the soul,
there will be beauty in the person.
If there is beauty in the person,
there will be harmony in the house.
If there is harmony in the house,
there will be order in the nation.
If there is order in the nation,
there will be peace in the world.

~ Chinese Proverb ~


Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 7:56 am
Assinine. Period.

And a disgraceful diatribe. From people on the outside who have no idea of what goes on.

Sheldon Johnson (4037)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 7:58 am
All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Thanks Mike for posting this

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 8:10 am
this is not the all. At all. At all. I can make up ten conspiracies and if they are not agreed with then you are all unenlightened?

Rank amateurish stupidity. Top to bottom.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 8:18 am
Stage one

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 8:19 am

9-11 Loose Change (full length)

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 9:21 am
War is pure economical category justified by everything else but with profit! Who will addmit that is sending your son to death in order to make money!!??
Count how much war costs!
Follow the link..
Who benefits?
War product industry!
And are many of them connected to would not believe..imagine what is needed to keep an army steady and ready and to be efficiant!
It is international bussines, directed and perforemd by money investor and owners. They just need a war to sell their product!
Neagotiations with governments, or particular members of the same..first in private, that finalizing in Congress..or other administrative bodies..
Budget approved, fullfilled by money from taxes (from us)!
And war industry make huge money, polticans who supported also.
And if war ended fast..well that is not that good war is longer, profit is bigger..
But also, as extra profits, investing in new teritories or exploiting themm
I wrote this so very simplified, as a sheme by purpose...otherwise it is topic that demand life time study
BTC just provided alibi to start a war, and as I said, the best cover for war is alibi that you defence yourself.Recipy old, as wars are..

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 9:24 am
Cebelica... Correct

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 9:46 am

War is big business, both for those who destroy and those who rebuild -- all of whom are actually pulling this government's strings.

I ask anyone who was interested enough to read this article to also view:



America: Freedom to Fascism

Further, with all of these "so-called" conspiracy theories . . . instead of stifling and scoffing at information such as this, why isn't the government and the corporate media (also controlled by the government) doing anything to dispute it -- if for nothing else, but to reassure its ever-increasing numbers of questioning/mourning citizens?

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 9:54 am
Thank you again Carole

I feel, by all the evidence now brought forth, that the government and those controlling are ready for us to see the truth... they, perhaps, have all the control issue responses in place and are waiting for us to respond.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 10:03 am
All the rhetoric and opportunistic bandwagon-jumping as an attempt to put forth an agenda as is being exhibited her does not mean 9-11 was an inside job.

At all.


Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 10:16 am
He can't answer the question, Carole... his answer to reason is to call it a booger and shake it off his hands... sheeesh


Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 10:21 am
Heck ... he might be the next Art might be the Next republican presidential candidate ... he talks the talk

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 10:25 am

Well, I can't be too hard on those who don't wish to accept the truth. For years after 911, when I started hearing these things, I dismissed the "theories" myself.

However, as I read more and more, as painful a realization as it was, I could no longer deny it.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 10:31 am
I agree carole, and I tried to reason instead of calling those who were questioning names... I am not trying to be hard on him really... just venting some frustrations. if I do not believe something I put forth an alternative and try to reason,,, perhaps Art will perform this common courtesy.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 11:18 am
The truth is ladies..remeber truth..I am the only one to predict 9-11 ..5 1/2 months before it happened. And I have a mile of phone company records to prove it. And spread it all over Marco Island and other places all summer long. I was briedfd by the FBI after it happened as Bush was here in town. Anybody here in the FBI or the Secret Service? Check it out.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 11:33 am
oh my... now I'm convenced... you work for GW huh?... Art... there are more than 50 people who predicted the tragedy and over 100 who predicted some type of tragedy and if you are telling me that you had a vision of some sort that detailed all the event I will tell you that in your vision you saw only the event and tale that would be told of it... get real Art... come into the light.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 11:33 am

Well, Art, I just did a Google search on 9-11 predictors, and you were not the "only one" (unless you are actually Nostradamus, a host of other people and Dr. Turi, who, "wrote these predictions almost 2 years before the date of 9/11/2001. The first prediction was in my Moon Power book, "Moon Power Starguide 2001." For those of you who keep track, this was also posted on my website September 2nd of that year. Now read the Power of the Stars upon man's fate:"

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 11:36 am
Art has delusions of grandeur ... I bet I know a psychic phycologist , Art

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 11:41 am
Art... for the future of your psychic ability, remember that the collective that you connect to is not always honest, also that the information you retrieve may be a fabrication to be told and finally... those sources do hold all information... to say because you saw it in detail, could means you saw the lie that would be told in detail

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 11:42 am
Fuck you Sarah blow me.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 11:42 am
lol... no thanks Art.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 11:44 am
Obviously I wounded you deeply huh?... it will be ok Art... honestly

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 11:45 am
See now why you do more harm than good for the animals? You ty to put your ignorant wacko diatribes forth instead of sticking to the facts. I am going to put you in this screenplay as an example of that. And when I print those records in the book I wish I could see the look on your face.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 11:46 am
Ok but I may put you in a small box with no air holes :)

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 11:49 am
oh... I guess I already did... have a great day , Art

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 12:02 pm

Art, also in fairness to you, if you "have a mile of phone company records to prove it. And spread it all over Marco Island and other places all summer long. I was briedfd by the FBI after it happened as Bush was here in town."

Of course, the FBI/Secret Service are going to investigate someone who is continuously phoning the media (and maybe, in their opinion, harassing them)at the time of a visit from the President Bush. That is their job, to identify potential trouble-makers or threats to his security.

Sheldon Johnson (4037)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 12:11 pm
Eisenhower stated to the nation in his farewell address on 1/17/61:

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

Was this a warning of things that were happening and about to come?

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 12:11 pm
well I tried to reason... logic dictates that if a being is tapping into a collective conscious that one may pick of on a story that everyone WILL be thinking and since we have proof that all the world was thinking terrorists and Middle east and all the rest of the fabrication, it stands to reason that a psychic may take it as a reality... I suggest it be remembered.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 12:15 pm
I never called them ever about this . the knowledge was out there for anyone to act on. No calls, no harrassment, why are you still painting this portrait when you zero knowledge of the facts? That seems to be running rampant here.

You are talking about the nutlist. My girlfriend used to coordinate the Secret Service in town. How do you have such firsthand knowledge of this..maybe I just need to read these posts again?

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 12:16 pm
Hi Sheldon... I believe it was a warning to all citizens of those things he knew were coming... and nice to see you here

Sheldon Johnson (4037)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 12:30 pm
Nice to be here Sarah, I just want to share some knowledge; Do anyone remember this famous quotation? "There exists a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy,its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself."
— Senator Daniel K. Inouye at the Iran Contra Hearings

Sheldon Johnson (4037)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 12:35 pm
He was refering to this Government right here in the good ole USA, I figure this is the primary reason why my family wasn't able to get any help when my family was targeted for This Government atrocious mind control experiments.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 12:35 pm

Great quote, Sheldon!

And the "terrorist fear" manufactured by the government's fictitious account of 9-11 was the impetus to the Patriot Act and decimation of checks and balances, as well as the Constitution.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 12:36 pm
I have never found anyone else and they ahve not, that predicted it so directly. If you saw what I saw you would be scared out of your wits.
I will look at those predictions..I have searched up and down and never found anything from anyone. They said there was some girl in Russia said maybe something would happen "somewhere" in july.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 12:37 pm
I am sorry to hear of your family Sheldon... yes he was speaking of the black ops military and yes they have indeed done mind control experiments.. some very successful.


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 12:39 pm

This is where I started, Art:

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 12:42 pm
Many documents have been released through FOIA concerning their trials Sheldon... have you done research?

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 12:43 pm

(posted earlier -- but never appeared)

Thank you for keeping an open mind, Art. You may want to also view the referenced tapes, all of which were compiled after exhaustive research and interviews.

Further, I would like to point out that this interview (the subject of this article) was with Stanley Hilton, "a San Francisco, California, based attorney, political scientist, and former chief of staff for Bob Dole."

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 1:00 pm
my post was deleted again. Who is doing this and why??


Sheldon Johnson (4037)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 1:02 pm
My whole life work is about research now. It seems to me from my studies that their primary purpose is to keep us under control - by way of the media - propaganda

By way of injurious mind altering Pharmaceuticals that causes complacency amongst other things.

They wish to keep us ignorant, confused and hateful toward each other so that we are distracted while they usher in their evil secret agenda of one world Government and one world bank.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 1:04 pm
I agree Sheldon and I applaud you standing for truth

Sheldon Johnson (4037)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 1:14 pm
Basically, they're following the same procedures that Adolph Hitler has done in the pass. He was able to brainwash a whole nation in following his Ideolology - especially by manipulation by the media.


Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 1:19 pm
Yes!!!... thank you sheldon... all sides of our cage are created by one side , the top... time we have a government that needs no cage, where we are free to see one another as equal and worthy of all respect.

Sheldon Johnson (4037)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 1:22 pm
Behavior Science is one of the most dangerous weapons known to man. What is happening today is known as behavior conditioning - this is where the media comes in - to take contol of your train of thought, this is a very effective weapon.

Who do you think made up the quotation "you can't fight City Hall"
They did! Most people thinks its hopeless to fight the evil doers that ruining our way of life. This is a social cancer that must be destroyed.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 1:38 pm

Nope! (But I'm glad you're tracking and saw it.)

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 1:38 pm
we are being censored ... I just posted it and it went away

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 1:39 pm
did it stick?

Sheldon Johnson (4037)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 1:41 pm
Here's a Mind control exercise - Prsidential hopeful Obama religion is muslim, his middle name is hussein. This type of rheotric creates hatered and prejudice in todays soceity.

Most of us is afraid of Muslims because of what we learn about them from the media. Does anybody here know any Muslims? We should judge one another by their character not their religion or their name. This is mind control at it's finest. Their are 149 known sub-projects under the umbrella of a clandestine Government operation foremly known as MKULTRA - tHIS IS ONE OF THEM.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 1:42 pm

And they wonder why we believe in conspiracies? LOL!

Ester Hellen (228)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 1:42 pm
propaganda and greed always comes together.
Sheldon is right!!
now there is an alternitive like or patriotmedia.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 1:49 pm
Thank you alicya

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 1:50 pm

And Sheldon, right again!

Unfortunately, once those "subliminal" messages are planted in certain mindsets, they cannot be erased. We have become a nation of "dumbed down" or "fearful" people, the majority of which would prefer not to disrupt their imaginary idyllic existences with negative thoughts.

Which, of course, is what those in power count on.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 1:55 pm
Yes we are a nation of lazy people... easier to hold a prejudice that to experience life personally and create a new world with genuine concern for one another and the well being of all.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 1:59 pm

It has never ceased to amaze me that we have so many people -- right here at Care2 -- who Care NOT!

I have deleted from my own, and deleted others, who were once on my friends list, but complained about receiving "disturbing" news articles, petitions, action alerts, graphic pictures of starving or mistreated humans/animals, etc.

They really do not want to know! (What a boon they must be to a supposedly democratic government who would prefer to be a dictatorship.)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:04 pm

Second paragraph should read:
"I have deleted from my own, and have been deleted by others..."

Ester Hellen (228)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:07 pm
Revolution time!!

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:09 pm
Well they lost a universe of beauty Carole... I feel for them... night all... thank you for the contining education.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:14 pm

To me, TRUTH is beauty (even when it's ugly). One cannot change something one refuses to acknowledge.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:20 pm

Just sent to me by a dear friend, and worthwhile reading:

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:33 pm
AGAIN, I'm trying Colin's post:

my post below was deleted AGAIN. so anybody have any idea why some care2 or whoever person is doing this? --------------------------------------------------------- The official story on 9/11 is so obviously false you'd have to be in deep denial to still believe it. We need impeachment and an independent investigation of 9/11/o1 immediately. We can not let these occupations,torture, detentions, spying, etc. go on. Read the book "The End of America" by Naomi Wolf to see how far these fascist murderers have gone and what must be reversed, see the sights below and take action

[see next message for URL's]

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:37 pm

TWICE, I tried to post the URL's in a separate post -- they would not appear.


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:38 pm

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:40 pm

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:41 pm

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:41 pm

“To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards out of men.” -Ella W. Willcox

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:42 pm

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:42 pm
hmmmm... I dunno what is happening here, Carole

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:43 pm

Just doin' my best to "truth out."

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:44 pm
To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards out of men.
-Ella W. Willcox

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:52 pm
good job... I was refering to the link from collin and it not sticking... odd deal

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 2:55 pm

Well, Randy "alluded" to some auto-censors here that may have been set too high, and accidentally precluding "good" info, so I was testing it.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:02 pm

By the way, that all seems a bit odd to me, because anyone who witnessed it, saw that Art had no problem inserting profanity without being automatically censored. (It took flagging.)

Darlene K (356)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:08 pm
This is why, I really dislike these 9-11 news posts. The only stir up anger, and fuel more negative energy within "the people." They don't bring truth, anymore. I feel it as I read it, myself, and I am more grounded with my spiritual practices, everyday. Read this whole thread, and it is awful.

Truth, can be told without so much HATE and ANGER towards against each other. Wolfweeps, just wrote out a comment that brought back some positive energy to this news thread. Even though, I AGREE with Art, that 9-11 WASN'T an inside job from my OWN research for 7 years, his comment was a very NEGATIVE human ego emotional response. Just like many others.

PLEASE, many of us in the Lightworker communities are getting the strong call out that Mankind MUST stop with the Hate, Anger, War, and Separation. It is the time of Truth, Forgiveness, Compassion, Love, and Oneness.


The "truth", IS that your government is capable of "cover-ups", but as a nation you can't believe every single media propaganda that is put out or "truth" website domain that is set-up.
Use this awareness to keep your eyes open to look at ALL of what is really going on around you, so you can truly "know truth."

9-11 was a symptom, of another whole worldly beast. Many are missing the "big picture." And it is HUGE, and not for the weak-spirited....
What many claim some are in denial of, we see they are in denial of...., the real "truth." Something we try to talk about, but others can't bare to hear...., something I am told..."wait..they aren't ready for that truth, yet..."....heh. OK

But, they can rip apart each other on 9-11, although Mankind's demise is on the horizon. I better buy my another case of candles.

Do you know what is really in your water? your food? the chemtrails? the soil? the air you breathe? Get beyond 9-11, and tend to your business of today. Love your brothers and sisters as ONE. We can overcome this darkness if we UNITE in LOVE and Compassion for one another.

Much Love and Peace...Namaste, Dar


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:15 pm


How can you learn that your government killed thousands of its own citizens; used that premise to kill over a million others in another country; also used that to take away your Constitutional rights; and is STEALING your tax dollars to continue it . . .


Better to worry about the same country that would allow those same companies who are making money hand over fist (such as the Federal Reserve), and who are actually pulling the strings to allow pollution of your water, lead in your children's toys, torture, allowing chemtrails, polluting soil, etc.

If you believe in ONE universe, do you not understand that the chemcials released in war eventually make their way to you? Read about DU! Think of the millions of people starving, because this country has decided they are not worth the money to save -- while spending their time, destroying another country's people and land and polluting it -- THEN TELL ME ABOUT LOVING YOUR BROTHER!




Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:18 pm


Darlene K (356)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:22 pm
Carole..., there is a bigger NIGHTMARE than 9-11, that you haven't been told.., that would anger you more than you are already.., and you think getting angry will solve, MANKIND'S probems?

Darlene K (356)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:23 pm
Has getting angry..., ever saved any civilization in history?

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:24 pm

Oh, please.

9-11 was the impetus. And many people still believe it.

Any story that illuminates truth is worth reading.

Darlene K (356)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:25 pm
It has DESTROYED every civilization in history Carole.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:26 pm

Fine. Encourage people NOT to read, NOT to wake up, NOT to be angry.

So, what will impel them to do anything?

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:27 pm

YES! That is how this country was founded... ANGER!

Can you tell me anytime in history that "love thy brother" changed anything?

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:35 pm

The hate you are seeing is COMING FROM THIS GOVERNMENT.

(and I don't think a hug will stop them)

Darlene K (356)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:38 pm
Don't twist my words. We can save Mankind, by waking up out of this "coma" they have kept us in..., this "man-made system" of illusion, to real "Truth", and I took what Sarah said to me to heart..., as I must understand..., some need time...

BUT, we DON'T WAKE UP IN ANGER, OR HATE we, wake up releazing WHO WE REALLY "ARE." We are all ONE..of the Divine Source. The "powers that be" can't hide ANYTHING from from GOD. God is ALL. ALL is GOD. IF anyone ever forgets this...., I pray you find your light again one day. People are waking up ALL over the world. Many are in Care2. I am one who speaks.

Have Faith, Hope, and Love. Our salvation will come in Unity, and Love if we unite as a people. Those who FEAR or hold NEGATIVE Feelings of anger or hate will know the darkness of this nightmare....
There are NO PROPHECIES...and WE have the golden opportunity to dictate what will happen in these next several years. Let us choose wisely.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:40 pm

I understand that you are impatient and you want all to jump to the top... and I want it badly as well , but we each hss to awaken and stumble,,, and find their bearings ... you are a good teacher and I appreciate your message... but I also know someone has to start the alarm for those still unaware... please don't be offended by it

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:40 pm

And if people are not awakened to the truth -- and experience the resultant, and expected, anger -- how do you propose we incite them to act?

Anger is a natural result of acknowledging being lied to.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:42 pm
You are right Dar... I do get short with some individuals and believe me I do struggle with it

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:45 pm

There is a natural progression to change. The first step is acknowledging the problem.

The LAST STEP is forgiveness.

Too many steps are being skipped here.

The most important ones are acknowledgment, and change.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:47 pm
I sincerely do not want to hurt people ... I am from a world where you speak your mind quickly and always defend yourself... it is wrong to answer anothers confusion with sarcasm and I am working on it...

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:49 pm

Thank you, Sarah.

But, back to the subject, as has already been exhibited here, there are many who are unaware that the entire 9-11 theory was a government myth, concocted for its emotionalism, in order to benefit companies pulling the strings to our president puppet.

While it is an ugly thing, which makes many people angry when realized, it is NECESSARY.

Darlene K (356)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:52 pm
Carole, believe me, I do understand your anger. This "truth" of 9-11 has been going on long enough. The anger has been festering enough, and everyone has heard it. The anger doesn't need to keep festering another 7 years. I wish I could take this anger from you, so bad....

I feel it in you...

I have to tend my own heart and not grab the wrong emotion with what "I" know, which is SO much darker than what you know....
I will admit, to you now, that I was ENRAGED when I first found out the darkness I found out beyond this stuff. It took me much consoling from higher light beings...., of Faith, Hope, and Love.

This is WHY I speak out. WHY it is so important. We must unite, we must start to LOVE one another again, and no longer be separated. I know you are of good heart Carole. I know it to my core. Bless you.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 3:59 pm

Well, that's where you and I differ.

I don't want the anger to disappear until I know that the majority of the people who have lost sons and daughters as soldiers, and whose families innocently went to work and lost their lives because their government MURDERED THEM, understand that.

Burying it under the carpet, and pretending it doesn't exist -- because it's festering -- is exactly what the perpetrators want.

LOVING EACH OTHER would be putting a stop to this . . . but many people do not because they still believe the lies.

This country is the terrorist.

Face it!

My love IS about humanity, and the sanctity of all life (human and animal). But, until people understand that what this government (and its comrades) are doing is contrary to all things good in this world (except for the "chosen elites"), we will never get those who truly love and want a peaceful world to stop them.

Darlene K (356)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 4:15 pm
Sarah, you have insight, and well.., many don't..Also, I believe we are All meant to learn from each other, too. Just as you reminded me of something very important, earlier, and I thank you very much. Truly we are all equal on this little planet. We all came into this lifetime to learn, but this time for a wonderful bonus..., a divine "purpose" of the Divine Matrix or Plan. I want to add that it will be of true AWE to those who hold on to UNITY and LOVE. I wish I could explain it..., I wish...., to just show you a piece, so you would believe...

The Greater the Darkness...., The Greather the Divine Light will Shine...
We must remember this is just a "physical" world, a we are of "true spirit" only living a human experience. These are just vessels for our true life-force energy of Divine Light. We are of God's Will on Earth.

We All make mistakes, and I do too. We try to acknowledge them, correct them, and not to repeat them, again. That is the best we can do. You seem to be doing a fine job, to me. You are of strong spirit, and not just from your up-bringing. Very wise and advanced soul with purpose. Follow your strong intuition, and you WILL succeed. Much Love and Peace..Namaste, Dar

Darlene K (356)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 4:18 pm
Easy Carole, I have a large military family. Some are currently in combat, as I write. Please try to calm down, and breathe.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 4:19 pm

I feel fortunate to have the privilege to "breathe," but feel for those from whom we have taken that right, based upon lies and greed.

Jenny Dooley (830)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 7:50 pm
thanks michael

Wolfweeps Pommawolf (251)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 10:01 pm
Peace to all. sounds very hard to do when the world is in chaos. I know. I struggle daily with it. But as much as I get angry it serves no purpose but waste precious energy of self. I have been working at the "New Earth" by Eckhart Tolle, and his book before that 10 years earlier "The Power of Now". You gain a whole new perspective believe me. You can only change to future by recognizing you have to live in the present. Anger just waste every breathing moment in time...time you never get back. Make every moment count.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 24, 2008, 10:15 pm

Thank you, my dear friend . . . but I am reading the same book.

It does not teach that we must ignore present suffering, nor that we must not learn from the past; nor for that matter, do I consider Eckhart Tolle to be the "second coming." He's an author, with another version of the Bible. NOT a prophet with any new message.

To address present evil and acknowledge its existence is not the same as "calling it into your life." It is already here. We must deal with it. There is also such a thing as positive energy. I choose to devote mine to seeing that this evil does not triumph any longer and to value human rights above greed. Pretending it doesn't exist, and choosing not to concentrate on it serves only them.

Ester Hellen (228)
Sunday May 25, 2008, 2:21 am
Picked this up at (Leonard Peltier!!)
An intro that made me think....
The World is a dangerous place....
not because of those who do evil,
but because who look on..
and do nothing!!
Albert Einstein

Danielle C (67)
Sunday May 25, 2008, 9:34 am
Speaking of DU
"When the kings of the earth who commited adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning they will weep and morn over her. Terrified at her torment they will stand afar and cry:
"Woe!Woe O great city O babylon city of power ! In one hour your doom has come!"Revelations


Merry L (74)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 8:14 pm
I wish I had a nickel for everytime I said this. Thanx Michael and Carole for posting. I'm not at all surprised, just disgusted. I HATE THIS ADMINISTRATION!!!

Kathy H (50)
Thursday May 29, 2008, 3:12 pm
Very thought provoking article, it is disturbing and down right sick to think that fellow americans (and so called men who call themselves Christians) could order to have fellow Americans and innocent men and woman killed that Sept 11th. But I do believe there is much evil in the world, But all we can do is try to live are lives with light and love to help conquer that Evil!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 29, 2008, 3:35 pm

Thank you, Linda!

However, what we need to do is rid this earth of the control of these puppets, so that good people can live their lives and build futures for their children.

Yvonne White (229)
Friday June 20, 2008, 6:21 pm
The Truth is the Truth - 9/11 was an inside job in 2001 & the repeated "terrorist" abuses By Bu$h-Leaguers upon America & the world ever since then is True.. MainStreamMedia can ignore it, enable it, and cheer it on, but NeoCONs can't hide it forever.

Wilson S (3)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 7:35 pm
I understand that Michael started this, if so CONGRATULATIONS! Michael.. Personally I don't think that Bush and company put together the 911 attack for the simple reason that... It was perfectly executed. Now, I strongly believe that it was done with Bush knowledge and consent, so he could do all the atrocities on account of 911. It saddens me to think we call ourself the land of the free and the home of the brave, because is not true we are neither. Just look at the state of the union today with everything going bust and people still doing business as usual. Is mind bugling to me. I propose that Bush and Cheney must resign today. YES, YES, YES! Unquestionably yes. But, resign is not enough, they should be investigated beyond a reasonable doubt through Congressional Hearings or Grand Jury to make them talk. And they shouldn’t be alone, an invitation should be extended to Paulson, Rice, Rumsfeld, Gonzalez, Libby, Wolfowitz and more of these misguided artists. If they still are not willing to tell the truth. They should be subject to interrogations similar to the ones used in Guantanamo, after all they claim to be quite humane and not at all torture. Well this is the time to taste their own medicine, if they are telling the truth, they will be OK, if not, they will learn not to tell lies. Because, after the interrogations, let the Justice Department deal with them. If they are innocent they should be entitled to enjoy their retirement but if they are not, they should get the maximum penalty allowed by the law of the land. Enough is enough! Then they should serve in a regular prison without any protection the same way as they send our brave soldiers to Iraq without proper protection and armored vehicles.

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 5, 2009, 4:16 pm
I remember my friend calling me on the phone and waking me up to tell me to watch the tv... as soon as I saw it, I knew deep inside that it was an inside job. What a shame that they did the same thing as 1933 Reichstag. But, considering that GW Bush's grandpa was involved in that, it doesn't surprise me that GW was involved in this.

It's been said that we repeat history until we learn from it. So, let's learn from this and take control of our governments, WORLDWIDE! The governments work for the PEOPLE, not for their own agendas and pocketbooks. It is time to RISE and take back this world!

Liberty and Justice, FOR ALL!!!

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 5, 2009, 4:19 pm
I have an idea... round up all truly evil people and put them in spaceships, headed straight into a black hole. That way, their energy cannot get back to the earth when they die and well.. a better life for the one's that deserve it.

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 5, 2009, 5:02 pm
The link to this information also has a link for a dvd called, "The Obama Deception". Looks interesting. Those who had wanted to enslave the planet, have been good at their trickery. Get a bad pres in and then a "good one". People cannot forget what's been happening and why it's been allowed. It is time to fight! This is the last spiritual battle, let's come together and win!
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